Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
On 26/01/2009 00:47, fredrik normann wrote: | ... I can only blame my self for being stupid don't blame yourself, this are things that happen :( I think what you are thinking about is possible to do. I was thinking for something about this. Now I have something else to complete, but when I will finish, I will take in consideration your idea. I think is something a lot of us need. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new terminal in opkg.org - vala-terminal
$ git clone http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=vala-terminal.git Initialized empty Git repository in /home/lindi/tmp/?p=vala-terminal/.git/ error: The requested URL returned error: 403 warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. Use git clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/vala-terminal.git to fetch sources. This http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=vala-terminal.git is http-web-page. -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
2009/1/26 George Brooke solar.geo...@googlemail.com On Sunday 25 January 2009 23:47:07 fredrik normann wrote: This episode made me think of having some kind of tracking program. Don't worry, just wait until he turns up here asking for help with the phone he just stole... LOL :) this should be added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
Sorry for you, hope you will be over it soon and up and running with a new one. For any ideas regarding this issue, please document them in the Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Anti-Theft_Mode fredrik normann wrote: I'm a bit sad today, yesterday someone stole my phone. I helped a guy in the street calling his girlfriend, (or that what he said) and when I got distracted by a friend of him that asked for a cigarette he just ran away I can only blame my self for being stupid This happend in Montevideo Uruguay. This episode made me think of having some kind of tracking program. This is the idea: When someone inserts a new simcard that is not authorized in someway, it will start to send it's position via sms to a predefined number or a sms-email gateway. This program could easily be disabled by a knowledgeable user but when random people just take your phone, you can asume that they don't know how to flash the phone. This is a very rough description of the idea, but I've just been thinking about it today... It's really sad to not have a Neo anymore when I finnaly started to love my phone and I don't have money to buy a new one... gah -fredrik-normann- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: SHR Unstable
The new SHR unstable is really great and a lot of steps forward are done! I tested it for a couple days and i want to share the problems i found and my suggestions. Problems: - if i set an alarm, the phone doesn't ring, i can't hear nothing. - the phone doesn't show the missed calls. It should be nice to have an icon on the wrench that alert me of new missed calls! - Sms messages are still splitted into several messages. If i try to receive a long sms (more than 3 messages) i receive just the two initial parts. - i lost all my messages in a unknown way. - power button -- suspend button doesn't work - cant get a gps fix in up to 12 minutes. Improvements: - add a way to find a contact in a more speedy way (e.g. by selecting the first letter) - in Settings -- Services should be shown the status of the service. Add a restart button too. - wrench -- Look -- Wallpaper is too large for the screen, should fill it. - increase default call volume - settings is really slow - suspend mode disable button Apart from the above problems, is quite the best shr image ever!! Giorgio - Original Message - From: Julien Cassignol To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Re: SHR Unstable Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:18:25 +0100 On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Michal Brzozowski wrote: Come on, this thing is slow! Scrolling has a 2 sec latency! Totally unusable for me. This is a bug with recent e17 and andy-tracking we noticed last week. We can't upgrade e17 right now because there is a slight change on elementary which triggers a segfault on Messages: not sure whose fault it is. About the dictionnary problem, this is due to the fix to handle UTF8. I'm told someone on the e17 side is working on correcting this bug. -- Julien Cassignol http://www.ainulindale.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] e17 from fso repos
- constant API breakages in e libs, not handled properly by upstream - so library packages have to be renamed, and upgrade paths provided. And [1] has a simple example what these API breakages cause - one of many. We really don't want this in Debian. [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-January/040636.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Pause mplayer on call ?
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 08:15:04PM +0100, Lothar Behrens wrote: [...] I currently do not use any GUI for it, so mplayer may only killed with any usefull signal to pause. Then how to restart it again. Assuming you can detect when an incoming call arrives, the following should be helpful: A generic way to control terminal programs, that were not designed with remote control in mind, is to use GNU Screen [1]. Start your program like this: $ screen -dmS SOME_NAME COMMAND_TO_RUN Now you can send input to the program by stuffing input to screen: $ screen -S SOME_NAME -X stuff INPUT_TO_RUNNING_PROGRAM It is also possible to interact directly with the running program by attaching to the screen session: $ screen -S SOME_NAME -r Detach with C-a-d. [...] [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/screen -- HTH Thor ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
El día Monday, January 26, 2009 a las 10:20:09AM +0100, Pander escribió: Sorry for you, hope you will be over it soon and up and running with a new one. For any ideas regarding this issue, please document them in the Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Anti-Theft_Mode I think that someone who has stolen a FR will not be willing to use it as a phone and perhaps not even has the knowledge to make something useful with it. Therefor I would insert a small offer in the case of the FR saying Call me at phone X and I will pay you Y on device return. I do this as well with my FreeBSD based laptops. matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e matthias.ap...@oclc.org - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ SPAMer of the year: Subject: Alle Software ist Deutsche Sprachen From: -40 % die Neujahrsaktion gabriellekel...@grungecafe.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix attempt, tomorrow
Hi Yoan, I am about to buy the capacitor and resistor and ask a friend to do the buzz fix. Before diving into trouble water, I would really apreciate some feedback on your attemp : * did you succeed ? * is the buzz canceled ? * have you taken photographs on your work ? Thanks in advance Kimaidou 2009/1/6 Yoann ARNAUD yarn...@crans.org kimaidou a écrit : Tommorow, I (my colleague, actually) will try to fix the buzz of my OM version A5 according to the manual of Joerg. Since I was asked, here is the documentation I will use : http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf -- Yoann ARNAUD Nantes, France. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
Paul пишет: Wow. I must say that I am impressed. Paul Sorry for dumb question. Where can I get jffs2 file? I've found only jffs2. And I can't make my own jffs2 using mkfs.jffs2. It crashes after a few minutes of working. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
2009/1/26 Ivan Shirokoff ivanshirok...@gmail.com: Where can I get jffs2 file? I've found only jffs2. Huh? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
especially in Russia itself, i.e. outside Moscow. you made my day! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR Unstable
Neil Jerram пишет: 2009/1/26 Ivan Shirokoff ivanshirok...@gmail.com: Where can I get jffs2 file? I've found only jffs2. Huh? Never mind =) It's just the drugs I take = Yesterday there was only bin file of kernel and gz archive of fs. Now there's everything I need. (http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/) Also somehow I wrote I've found only jffs2 instead of something like I've found only gz =) Anyway thank you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: SHR Unstable
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 09:30, Giorgio Marciano ledz...@writeme.com wrote: Problems: - if i set an alarm, the phone doesn't ring, i can't hear nothing. This can easlily be fixed see: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/239 (or just do: ln -s /usr/share/elementary-alarm /usr/share/elementary_alarm) I don't get an GPS-Fix either.. unfortunately. Although GPS-Time does get synchronized after some time Richy signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there an echo-free distro?
Steve 'dillo Okay wrote: Are you generally happy with your device ? Yes, I am.. for what I do with it, it's been working well (phone, sms, gps) in germany as well as UK.. of course, a few quirks are still around... but I'm happy to work around them.. (like rebooting once I had WLAN on - can't seem to power it down again so it drains battery.. or that I need to split sms manually when sending) I use the SHR-testing image which I patch manually echo-free.. (some clever guy posted that once on the list (where to put the 187 command in)) I would say what-where, but got the instructions at home.. :S I understand that the SHR-unstable is already echo-free - but has other more severe problems instead? I stick with testing. :D How many of you out there with FRs are using them actively as an everyday phone device, in addition to something to hack on ? I use it as my everyday phone just fine. Haven't really got around programming for it, though.. :( Cheers, -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ A user friendly computer first requires a friendly user. -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
Fernando Martins wrote: [...] Anyway, I'm also inclined for FAT, mostly for the simplicity (thus less susceptibility to corruption) and universality of the fs. I'm just left wondering about performance, in particular as a storage for maps. Maps will be read-mostly, right? So ext2 and ext3 will have the same performance, the journal will only cost some performance when writing. You can customize the ext2/3 filesystems. The block size can be 1k, 2k or 4k. Bigger blocks generally have the best performance, but if many tiles are smaller than 2k, then a 2k block size will let you fit more on the card. It is years since I made a FAT filesystem, I got the impression that you cannot have small (4k) blocks on a too large device. If the blocks are much bigger than your average file size, then you wast lots of space per file. I use 4k blocks as most tiles are bigger than 2k, except for the many copies of the completely blank tile. The many blank tiles can be fixed by a script that turns them all into symlinks into the same file - saving lots of space. (0k instead of 4k per blank tile). FAT does not offer links, so you must have one file for each blank tile. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: buzz fix
Hello, are there any updates from resellers, FIC or any half-official DIY-tutorials on the hardware problems, i.e. the buzzing? Best regards, Chris KaZeR wrote: -Message d'origine- [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de Christoph Pulster Envoyé : mardi 13 janvier 2009 08:20 À : community@lists.openmoko.org Objet : Re: buzz fix Hello, thanks for asking about hardware fixes (I read this list daily). At the moment I'm working out a solution with Openmoko how to handle any repair (buzz SOP, GPS fix etc). In any way I want to offer my customers best service and we try to find a solution which does avoid time-consuming return shipments to Taiwan. Please allow us some days to work that out. Thanks Christoph. It's nice to see that you are so involved. I hope that you will lead the way for other resellers. Bearstech maybe? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/buzz-fix-%28was%3A-Pulster-offer---Freerunner-now-249-eur%29-tp2141213p2217591.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Heidelberg/Mannheim Cafe Meet
Hi, Given that the English users seem to be meeting up in Pubs across their country I was wondering if there is any interest in doing the same, but in a cafe/pub in Germany. I am based in Heidelberg and would like to suggest meeting up with other openmoko users in the area. I would obviously prefer HD but could do Mannheim easily enough. Niall ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
next generation keyboard layout (illume)
Hi, Here's a keyboard layout that I've created. The idea is to have a finger friendly keyboard good for normal text as well as terminal input. It needs some polish, but I'm sure you'll have cool ideas how to make it better, so I'm releasing now. Features: - doesn't use the dictionary (I've found the dict too slow for now, at least on SHR unstable) - not using the dictionary, it can utilize the top part of the keyboard app (see screenshots) - Fn key that switches between qwerty and a layout with some special characters, arrows and numbers - Enter and backspace keys (so no finger sliding needed) - Some keys are very thin and are on the edges of the screen. You use them by pressing the GTA's case near the screen (I take no responsibility if doing that damages your phone). - No capslock. - The very thin key on the left is tab, the very thin one on the right is Enter. - There is an up and down arrow to use for command line history. - You can switch to another layout by sliding your finger up on the keyboard (the keyboard selection button is covered by the keys). Screenshots: http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/keyboard1.png http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/keyboard2.png The layout file: http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/Keyboard-ng.kbd I've only tested this on SHR unstable. Have fun! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
The Digital Pioneer wrote: Indeed, GPS fixes are tough to get, but they can be done. Just out of curiosity, can the telco really do all that passive triangulation (or more importantly, can I) they talk about in the movies? :P They have to do some of that anyway, just to make mobile roaming work at all. A phone that is on but not in use, still talk to the towers regularly. This so they know what tower to use, _if_ a call suddenly comes in. Let the phone rest atop a bad FM radio, and you will hear this in the form on radio noise now and then. You will also hear noise immediately before a call or sms comes in. When the phone is heard by one or more towers, the telco knows that it is in an area near all those towers. The more towers that hear the phone, the smaller the area because towers are spread and their range overlap only partially. Some towers are directional. Some towers gets a better connection to the phone than others - the phone is likely closer to those. This information alone gives you a good idea of where it is, especially in cities where towers are packed densely. I seem to recall that the gsm protocol lets the telco adjust a phone's signal strength. They generally go as low as possible, so it won't cause unnecessary interference elsewhere. They can tell the phone to vary the strength in order to measure from several towers. If they have sufficiently precise timers, then they can measure the distance from several towers too. This takes advantage of the fact that radio waves move at the speed of light, and so they arrive at different towers at a different time. 3 or more towers can then pinpoint the phone location with great precision, using exactly the same sort of calculation as a GPS unit uses when finding its position based on timing differences between 3 or more satellites. A third option is highly directional antennas. I don't think telcos bother with that though. Expensive installations and not needed for normal operation. I don't know if they use precision timers, but they can definitely see how the thief roam around. When he goes home, the police may have an idea about who has a criminal record in that area. There is a program around that is supposed to look for a special keyword in a sms, and send a gps reading back. It didn't work when I tried it, but this appraoch can be developed into something more robust. Another other security idea: Send an SMS to put the phone in stolen modus. (Do that quickly, before they change the sim card.) Stolen mode: * Send gps coordinates regularly, by SMS to a configured number. * Send a copy of every sms sent and received to the same place. * Send the phone log whenever a call is made * Send details about any new SIM card inserted. * If there is enough disk space, record conversations and play them back to a configured number when the thief isn't using the phone. Could be interesting. Also, a stolen phone could wait for a special message. If you give it up because the telco and police won't bother - have the phone brick itself by wiping out its flash memory. Or better, change the boot to display This phone is stolen from . . . The thief throws it away - with luck, someone else finds and returns it. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next generation keyboard layout (illume)
How can i install it on my SHR unstable? thanks - Original Message - From: Michal Brzozowski To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: next generation keyboard layout (illume) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:19:03 +0100 Hi, Here's a keyboard layout that I've created. The idea is to have a finger friendly keyboard good for normal text as well as terminal input. It needs some polish, but I'm sure you'll have cool ideas how to make it better, so I'm releasing now. Features: - doesn't use the dictionary (I've found the dict too slow for now, at least on SHR unstable) - not using the dictionary, it can utilize the top part of the keyboard app (see screenshots) - Fn key that switches between qwerty and a layout with some special characters, arrows and numbers - Enter and backspace keys (so no finger sliding needed) - Some keys are very thin and are on the edges of the screen. You use them by pressing the GTA's case near the screen (I take no responsibility if doing that damages your phone). - No capslock. - The very thin key on the left is tab, the very thin one on the right is Enter. - There is an up and down arrow to use for command line history. - You can switch to another layout by sliding your finger up on the keyboard (the keyboard selection button is covered by the keys). Screenshots: http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/keyboard1.png http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/keyboard2.png The layout file: http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/Keyboard-ng.kbd I've only tested this on SHR unstable. Have fun! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 fredrik normann escribió: I'm a bit sad today, yesterday someone stole my phone. I helped a guy in the street calling his girlfriend, (or that what he said) and when I got distracted by a friend of him that asked for a cigarette he just ran away I can only blame my self for being stupid This happend in Montevideo Uruguay. Just to make you aware, at work we have bought three Freerunners, two of which have been stolen from checked baggage on flights from the United States to Venezuela and between Venezuela and Colombia. They also stole the chargers, leaving other electronic goods intact. Since airlines don't hold liability for any goods on checked baggage anyway, I'd strongly advise against carrying the phones in checked baggage (and exercising common sense in the rest of cases) especially while travelling to LatAm. Jose PS: on the funny side, I'm sure this will boost Freerunner's popularity on the mass market :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl9umwACgkQUWAsjQBcO4KZRgCfYwamZ9Sf0/G+91fxMSLlM5vd yaAAni3dueaUnWUL514qZx6XF+1u8U76 =jRsN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Heidelberg/Mannheim Cafe Meet
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, I would be with you in Mannheim if it was at a reasonable time. I'm usually leaving from Basel, CH so 0630pm CEST STA would be the best fit .. the last train back down leaves ~1030pm CEST, gives me ~3hrs. Would be a pleasure to meet some of you. CIAOii so on... Thomas Scholz - PloenK.NeT - - -- PloenK.NeT Informationstechnik e.K. Proprietor chief technician Domplatz 8 ; DE 01662 Meissen http://www.ploenk.net/ Tel +49 3521 404986 ; Fax 404987 VAT ID: DE813750081 See important dates in my public calendar http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ploenk.net%40gmail.com Niall Haslam wrote: Hi, Given that the English users seem to be meeting up in Pubs across their country I was wondering if there is any interest in doing the same, but in a cafe/pub in Germany. I am based in Heidelberg and would like to suggest meeting up with other openmoko users in the area. I would obviously prefer HD but could do Mannheim easily enough. Niall ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: ** signed with GnuPG from EnigMAIL/Mozilla Thunderbird ** Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBSX26whogRQP0UDktAQLo5AgAi6AT6TIbzzXsVebqcPRQ/rDSQ4j3qZXJ ggfpZ1o90ZAtaiSyHjUCA3BMcXQADIWjeoY5JXfoNAxXLK7RrdrJrzfIb/+KRJRb IGXtnhgaIYhXYBNZGgBfGx69MKMnb8UqVVNlcMQgEAEZBxZ9WdQI+Rj2asYgmXVU H1bCfi3aYA1IMqaRF9n1ClOrqVRdFsa1r1nzCKKQVSInh3Y+bEByanNp4GlsrcUR 0ifB/92rzBULiPZD/vWqNHosdXKWtpX9DChy7tZKc4iItMTBo+BVPEAAAmQTIgN8 NTR+BzBaq7SlzflsDnh+ihlvz0YJ5lQE7PA7gw3KiVsYsJ3qlrJRjA== =Zdpu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
2009/1/26 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no Also, a stolen phone could wait for a special message. If you give it up because the telco and police won't bother - have the phone brick itself by wiping out its flash memory. Or better, change the boot to display This phone is stolen from . . . The thief throws it away - with luck, someone else finds and returns it. And when you think you've tracked down the thief and are close to him, send an sms to make it play some music really really loud, and go bang the thief on the head :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next generation keyboard layout (illume)
2009/1/26 Giorgio Marciano ledz...@writeme.com How can i install it on my SHR unstable? thanks Sorry, forgot about it :-) Download it to /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr- GPS howto?
arne anka wrote: slot. If it isn't there, then your phone have this problem. not necessarily. in fact, if you really have this problem you didn't update your kernel a very long time. the gps/sd card fix is in all kernels available for a very long time now, the hw fix is not necessary. Really? The problem was noise from the SDcard electronics disturbing the gps receiver. The software fix was to turn the sdcard clock off while the card isn't actively used. But that don't help at all if the card _is_ in use most of the time - for example if you're running your linux distribution from the card. Or are playing songs stored on the card. Or have your map tiles on the card. The capacitor makes the SDcard less noisy - even when it is being used all the time. I can get a fix and use the gps while listening to music, for example. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Extended update ?
I am looking forward to it. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know if there's any updates for Qt Extended in the pipeline ? Lorn wrote back in early December that he was hoping to get a snapshot release out by the 21st December, but there's been nothing since.. :-( I know that Nokia decided to GPL Qt so I wonder if that has delayed things ? It would also be very nice if there was a public git repository for the GPL version of Qt Extended.. ;-) cheers! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Best Regards HouYu Li, Karajan karajan_ii (at) hotmail.com karadog (at) gmail.com lihouyu (at) phpex.net PHP Programmer Red Hat Certified Engineer 15th Feb, 2008 Shanghai, China ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr- GPS howto?
Really? The problem was noise from the SDcard electronics disturbing the gps receiver. The software fix was to turn the sdcard clock off while the card isn't actively used. But that don't help at all if the card _is_ in use most of the time - for example if you're running your linux distribution from the card. Or are playing songs stored on the card. Or have your map tiles on the card. The capacitor makes the SDcard less noisy - even when it is being used all the time. I can get a fix and use the gps while listening to music, for example. iirc - the problem was not noise as such but difficulties of coexistence on the sdio - the solution you are pointing to, was only some rough first draft. the kernel patch used eventuially works different. and imo andy wrote some time ago that the sw patch ist better than the hw one ... feel free, to check the archives. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
And when you think you've tracked down the thief and are close to him, send an sms to make it play some music really really loud, and go bang the thief on the head :) Sounds fun. I send the SMS, and suddenly a piercing siren goes off from the guy 10 feet away, so I tackle him and take back my phone. :D I like how you think. Just one little consideration: how best to turn off stolen-mode when I get it back? Sending an SMS won't do (way too easy to spoof), it needs to be something that can only be done by SSH or the like I think. -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?
Hendrik Siedelmann wrote: Get higher gps accuracy using accelerometer data (or use it when driving through a tunnel) would be a nice example. That'd be interesting. Do anyone know the precision of the accelerometers? Assuming, of course, that one has a car mount so the phone has a known orientation relative to the car. How long tunnels would be feasible? Where I live, there are some 4km tunnels that curve slightly, and a shorter one with a roundabout inside. :-/ Usually, one also uses the car speedometer for this. I have a box that converts this to serial - perhaps a serial to usb converter could be used to connect the phone. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?
This page does: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals Noise is around 3cm/s^2, i.e: It can fill in _short_ - 3-5s gaps in GPS coverage, if the orientation of the phone is known. Helge Hafting wrote: Hendrik Siedelmann wrote: Get higher gps accuracy using accelerometer data (or use it when driving through a tunnel) would be a nice example. That'd be interesting. Do anyone know the precision of the accelerometers? Assuming, of course, that one has a car mount so the phone has a known orientation relative to the car. How long tunnels would be feasible? Where I live, there are some 4km tunnels that curve slightly, and a shorter one with a roundabout inside. :-/ Usually, one also uses the car speedometer for this. I have a box that converts this to serial - perhaps a serial to usb converter could be used to connect the phone. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next generation keyboard layout (illume)
you could make an ipk and upload it to opkg.org On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2009/1/26 Giorgio Marciano ledz...@writeme.com How can i install it on my SHR unstable? thanks Sorry, forgot about it :-) Download it to /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FDOM and GPRS?
Hi, is it possible to use GPRS with the current FDOM image? If yes: Is there a GUI or do I have to adjust the config files by hand? If I've to adjust the config files by hand, is there a howto? (which files and what do I've to edit there) greetings Steffen signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RPM packages for dfu-util and NeoTool
All, I've created rpm packages for dfu-util and NeoTool. You can find the links on the web pages for these tools: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool dfu-util will be updated to a more recent svn version on a regular bases. Regards, Joop. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tango-GPS] Map bulk download?
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:55 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: the best bet would probably be, if tangogps would support the binary maps, like navit does. Just a question... Why, if Navit does the map drawing from OSM data, would you like to have tangoGps do that as well? Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next generation keyboard layout (illume)
That's the best layout I have seen. Thanks! But where's the '|'? On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: Hi, Here's a keyboard layout that I've created. The idea is to have a finger friendly keyboard good for normal text as well as terminal input. It needs some polish, but I'm sure you'll have cool ideas how to make it better, so I'm releasing now. Features: - doesn't use the dictionary (I've found the dict too slow for now, at least on SHR unstable) - not using the dictionary, it can utilize the top part of the keyboard app (see screenshots) - Fn key that switches between qwerty and a layout with some special characters, arrows and numbers - Enter and backspace keys (so no finger sliding needed) - Some keys are very thin and are on the edges of the screen. You use them by pressing the GTA's case near the screen (I take no responsibility if doing that damages your phone). - No capslock. - The very thin key on the left is tab, the very thin one on the right is Enter. - There is an up and down arrow to use for command line history. - You can switch to another layout by sliding your finger up on the keyboard (the keyboard selection button is covered by the keys). Screenshots: http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/keyboard1.png http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/keyboard2.png The layout file: http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/Keyboard-ng.kbd I've only tested this on SHR unstable. Have fun! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tango-GPS] Map bulk download?
the best bet would probably be, if tangogps would support the binary maps, like navit does. Just a question... Why, if Navit does the map drawing from OSM data, would you like to have tangoGps do that as well? i don't understand that question -- what has navit to do with it? try to dowload only europe with all the resolutions that seem meaningful to you and look at the space required by the tiles -- and then compare navit's binary file's size ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next generation keyboard layout (illume)
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 02:19:03PM +0100, Michal Brzozowski wrote: The idea is to have a finger friendly keyboard good for normal text as well as terminal input. It needs some polish, but I'm sure you'll have cool ideas how to make it better, so I'm releasing now. I can't understand how these keys... - Some keys are very thin and are on the edges of the screen. You use them by pressing the GTA's case near the screen (I take no responsibility if doing that damages your phone). - The very thin key on the left is tab, the very thin one on the right is Enter. ... are usable :) Rui -- Or is it? Today is Sweetmorn, the 26th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next generation keyboard layout (illume)
2009/1/26 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org I can't understand how these keys... - Some keys are very thin and are on the edges of the screen. You use them by pressing the GTA's case near the screen (I take no responsibility if doing that damages your phone). - The very thin key on the left is tab, the very thin one on the right is Enter. ... are usable :) Have you tried it? Pressing the case to simulate a mouse press at the edge of the touch screen is a really cool undocumented feature :-) I do it regularly to use these extremely thin scroll bars in some apps ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tango-GPS] Map bulk download?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: the best bet would probably be, if tangogps would support the binary maps, like navit does. Just a question... Why, if Navit does the map drawing from OSM data, would you like to have tangoGps do that as well? i don't understand that question -- what has navit to do with it? try to dowload only europe with all the resolutions that seem meaningful to you and look at the space required by the tiles -- and then compare navit's binary file's size Ok, let me re-phrase the question (and/or remark...) Navit already draws from binary OSM data. Why would you also want tangoGPS to do that? You mentioned navit in your posting, so I assume you're already using it to draw OSM maps on the FreeRunner, that's why I asked. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tango-GPS] Map bulk download?
You mentioned navit in your posting, so I assume you're already using it to draw OSM maps on the FreeRunner, that's why I asked. ah, ok. well, yes, i have both installed, but imo tangogps is faster and more usable for general orientation, while navit focuses on guiding. at least that's my idea of the differences between both. and anyway, it is not a question of opposition but of improvement for tangogps. i once tried to download only the tiles for decent zooming of my town and it took morer space than navit's bin for the whole of the the eu. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dead Neo 1973 - drained battery
El Friday, 23 de January de 2009 21:50:10 wim.delv...@adaptiveplanet.com va escriure: Any way I can ressusitate this device ? If it is an 1973 *DO NOT TAKE THE BATTERY OUT* when it is receiving power over the USB. The procedure for recover a dead battery on the 1973 is: 1. Leave the unit without battery for 20 seconds. 2. Put the battery in and connect the usb. 3. Over 30 minutes later the 1973 Battery will have sufficient juice to power it on. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
Wiadomość Oryginalna Od: Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no Also, a stolen phone could wait for a special message. If you give it up because the telco and police won't bother - have the phone brick itself by wiping out its flash memory. Or better, change the boot to display This phone is stolen from . . . The thief throws it away - with luck, someone else finds and returns it. Another idea of the like: The phone is about to be stolen by muggers, the owner uses some button combo (both buttons for 3 sec?) to enable a special lock mimicking a broken screen - displaying some colorful strips, changing when the phone is being tilted (that's about what it looks like when the connector strip is damaged). This should not go away with a reboot - random text scrolling through the screen may even help with the illusion of the phone being broken. It's likely that the phone will get thrown away (or destroyed...). It might be difficult to retrieve it, though, when the battery becomes empty. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tango-GPS] Map bulk download?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:46 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: You mentioned navit in your posting, so I assume you're already using it to draw OSM maps on the FreeRunner, that's why I asked. ah, ok. well, yes, i have both installed, but imo tangogps is faster and more usable for general orientation, while navit focuses on guiding. at least that's my idea of the differences between both. Yes, tangoGPS draws faster, but has 'less to do' than Navit. I'll try getting navit built on my home PC, which would enable me to update navit a bit faster. I'm currently looking into making it faster, and I've been told that lots of floating point calculations have been taken out around Christmas time. So, if the 'maintainers' would re-build navit, it would be lots faster (I think). Problem is, the maintainers are listed as 'angstrom_developers', so there's probably a problem poking them :-) and anyway, it is not a question of opposition but of improvement for tangogps. i once tried to download only the tiles for decent zooming of my town and it took morer space than navit's bin for the whole of the the eu. Yes, tiles take a lot more space, but rendering is nicer and quicker. It's one way or the other, unfortunately! I'll do my best getting navit to (cross) build, so that I can distribute an .ipk file... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tango-GPS] Map bulk download?
Christ, You know that the packages are available at http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/ ? Kind regards, @ On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 16:07 +0100, Christ van Willegen wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:46 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: You mentioned navit in your posting, so I assume you're already using it to draw OSM maps on the FreeRunner, that's why I asked. ah, ok. well, yes, i have both installed, but imo tangogps is faster and more usable for general orientation, while navit focuses on guiding. at least that's my idea of the differences between both. Yes, tangoGPS draws faster, but has 'less to do' than Navit. I'll try getting navit built on my home PC, which would enable me to update navit a bit faster. I'm currently looking into making it faster, and I've been told that lots of floating point calculations have been taken out around Christmas time. So, if the 'maintainers' would re-build navit, it would be lots faster (I think). Problem is, the maintainers are listed as 'angstrom_developers', so there's probably a problem poking them :-) and anyway, it is not a question of opposition but of improvement for tangogps. i once tried to download only the tiles for decent zooming of my town and it took morer space than navit's bin for the whole of the the eu. Yes, tiles take a lot more space, but rendering is nicer and quicker. It's one way or the other, unfortunately! I'll do my best getting navit to (cross) build, so that I can distribute an .ipk file... Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there an echo-free distro?
2009/1/26 Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 4:04:27 am Alexander Frøyseth wrote: I use QtE 4.4.2 and have no echo with this fix: http://www.csamuel.org/2009/01/08/echo-suppression-fix-for-qt-extended-442- on-openmoko-neohttp://www.csamuel.org/2009/01/08/echo-suppression-fix-for-qt-extended-442-on-openmoko-neo Thanks for confirming it works for you too! No problem with the sound either (I use only this fix, not the fix that replaces the .state files) I actually had to edit them, but only because it was too loud for my ears, not because of any echo! :-) -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I had to edit them to, but it works perfectly Thanks :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: [Tango-GPS] Map bulk download?
On Jan 26, 2009 4:07pm, Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com wrote: I'll do my best getting navit to (cross) build, so that I can distribute an .ipk file... Err.. The navit project has nightly opkg builds from SVN. Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
Anyway, I'm also inclined for FAT, mostly for the simplicity (thus less susceptibility to corruption) and universality of the fs. I'm just left I'd stay away from FAT: its simplicity makes it less susceptible to software bugs, maybe, but still susceptible to corruption. The general recommendation is to go with ext3 (ext2 is more likely to get corrupted on crash or power loss, and fsck is a pain in the rear). The potential performance (and wearout) issue with the journal is only theoretical. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger Friendly on screen keyboard
Not sure what Illume is. But by you're question I'm assuming it starts the keyboard when you click on a text field. I'll have to look into it. In the Hackable1 OS the keyboard is started by an AUX button Press. And, I like this. I hate when the Keyboard pops up when I don't want it too. But if there is an interest in this I look into it more. I know my keypad needs some work, But, I think the idea is a good one and the only way I can think of using the whole screen effectively. I've bee using it in Hackable1 for awhile now (I'm duel booting Hackable1 and om2008.9) and find it useful when I'm with out a stylus. And I set my hackable1 install to start ko-aux on start up. The many reason I made the changes to get it to work in om2008.9 was because I got a few emails with people interested in trying it out. I do have a few projects going on so it may take me a little time to get around to improving it. But, I think it is fairly usable at this point. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: There is a program around that is supposed to look for a special keyword in a sms, and send a gps reading back. It didn't work when I tried it, but this appraoch can be developed into something more robust. Another other security idea: Send an SMS to put the phone in stolen modus. (Do that quickly, before they change the sim card.) Are you talking about sms-sentry ? Which part didn't work ? What distro did you try it on ? Did you run it from the command line and check what status messages it was sending ? It works but can take a very very long time to get a fix and return the SMS you are waiting for. -- Angus Ainslie http://www.handheldshell.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next generation keyboard layout (illume)
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 03:35:46PM +0100, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/1/26 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org I can't understand how these keys... - Some keys are very thin and are on the edges of the screen. You use them by pressing the GTA's case near the screen (I take no responsibility if doing that damages your phone). - The very thin key on the left is tab, the very thin one on the right is Enter. ... are usable :) Have you tried it? Pressing the case to simulate a mouse press at the edge of the touch screen is a really cool undocumented feature :-) I do it regularly to use these extremely thin scroll bars in some apps Yes, but maybe it's undocumented because it's not supposed to happen and gremlins may eat the durability of the device sooner :) Rui -- Pzat! Today is Sweetmorn, the 26th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is there an echo-free distro?
Hi All, Now that the echo is seemingly gone it's time to get rid of the GSM buzz noise. Is their an official hardware fix and has anyone in London/the UK applied this succesfully? Regards ezuall -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Is-there-an-echo-free-distro--tp2162879p2218703.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next generation keyboard layout (illume)
2009/1/26 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org Pressing the case to simulate a mouse press at the edge of the touch screen is a really cool undocumented feature :-) I do it regularly to use these extremely thin scroll bars in some apps Yes, but maybe it's undocumented because it's not supposed to happen and gremlins may eat the durability of the device sooner :) Time will show, hopefully not until GTA03 comes out :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?
On Monday 26 January 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: Hendrik Siedelmann wrote: Get higher gps accuracy using accelerometer data (or use it when driving through a tunnel) would be a nice example. That'd be interesting. Do anyone know the precision of the accelerometers? Assuming, of course, that one has a car mount so the phone has a known orientation relative to the car. How long tunnels would be feasible? Where I live, there are some 4km tunnels that curve slightly, and a shorter one with a roundabout inside. :-/ Usually, one also uses the car speedometer for this. I have a box that converts this to serial - perhaps a serial to usb converter could be used to connect the phone. Could do. The other thing that would work in many cars would be a USB CAN bus adaptor. This may give access to other useful signals too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shr- GPS howto?
On Monday 26 January 2009, Helge Hafting wrote: arne anka wrote: slot. If it isn't there, then your phone have this problem. not necessarily. in fact, if you really have this problem you didn't update your kernel a very long time. the gps/sd card fix is in all kernels available for a very long time now, the hw fix is not necessary. Really? The problem was noise from the SDcard electronics disturbing the gps receiver. The software fix was to turn the sdcard clock off while the card isn't actively used. But that don't help at all if the card _is_ in use most of the time - for example if you're running your linux distribution from the card. Or are playing songs stored on the card. Or have your map tiles on the card. That is only half the software fix. The other half reduces the default drive strength on all the SD signal lines. This is similar in effect to putting a capacitor on all the signal lines, not just the clock line that is affected by the hardware mod. I have no difference in GPS performance if rootfs is in NAND or on SD, and I have no hardware mod. The capacitor makes the SDcard less noisy - even when it is being used all the time. I can get a fix and use the gps while listening to music, for example. So can I, but I don't have the hardware mod ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next generation keyboard layout (illume)
On 2009.01.26.15.35, Michal Brzozowski wrote: | Pressing the case to simulate a mouse press at the edge of the touch screen | is a really cool undocumented feature :-) | I do it regularly to use these extremely thin scroll bars in some apps Neat! Usability of midori just went up... --Brock ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Tango-GPS] Map bulk download?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: You know that the packages are available at http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/ ? I do now! Thanks, I'll add that feed :-) Still, building my own would be nice as well, since then I can test stuff that I develop myself :-) Thanks! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: SHR Unstable
Hi, How can I activate the GPS with the SHR? I open the tangoGPS but I got no info if the gps is on or getting data.. Chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-Unstable-tp2202729p2219355.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: SHR Unstable
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 18:36, Chris Syntichakis ch...@c-64.mobi wrote: How can I activate the GPS with the SHR? Try to start fso-gpsd (it should start on boot, but some time ago there was problem with initscript). When it is working, GPS should start automatically. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Modified old multitap-pad keyboard
I forgot to tell you to install libfakekey0 if you have problems starting multitap-pad. opkg install libfakekey0 _ Teste jetzt den neuen, verbesserten Windows Live Messenger! http://download.live.com/___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multitouch possible?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I guess, that the most simple solution is to add a button in the center between the two buttons for the paddles. When this button is pressed, both paddles shall be aktivated. Greetings Bastian Davide Scaini schrieb: i tried with synaptics drivers on debian, but with no luck... i'm very interested in this topic... d On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 6:31 PM, gnu...@no-log.org mailto:gnu...@no-log.org wrote: Hello,I tried the Linball game (http://www.opkg.org/package_107.html). But sometimes it doesn't work well because I used 2 fingers. So multitouch would be cool. And someone has develloped a multitouch driver for android: http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform/browse_thread/thread/209b512a9fdf7367 Is that possible because the hardware of android is multitouch capable? or is it a hack permitting the multitouch on more simple hardware? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJfgBAlYiDScJJ+7QRAkQKAKDnE6Mmpnt79HAklLzIDCU0KaDvCQCgidD8 G/Yv2YnFkJvLvCdknr932e0= =g+2d -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multitouch possible?
So the question is, is this just a limitation of the hardware (which is my understanding) or is it possible to make a driver that actually sends both coordinate locations? -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multitouch possible?
Am Monday 26 January 2009 19:52:28 schrieb The Digital Pioneer: So the question is, is this just a limitation of the hardware (which is my understanding) or is it possible to make a driver that actually sends both coordinate locations? It's a limitation of the Neo's hardware. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: SHR Unstable
Thanks, I did it, but I see no activity.. Maybe i have to search the wiki how to debug it. BTW Bluetooth has a bug. I can activate it, but when I put ON the visibility slider, it goes back to OFF. chris Johny Tenfinger wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 18:36, Chris Syntichakis ch...@c-64.mobi wrote: How can I activate the GPS with the SHR? Try to start fso-gpsd (it should start on boot, but some time ago there was problem with initscript). When it is working, GPS should start automatically. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-Unstable-tp2202729p2220089.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: SHR Unstable
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 20:37, Chris Syntichakis ch...@c-64.mobi wrote: BTW Bluetooth has a bug. I can activate it, but when I put ON the visibility slider, it goes back to OFF. It looks like hciconfig is unable to set visibility to ON. Maybe hardware isn't powered on? I'm sure that it isn't bug in shr-settings - maybe in kernel or frameworkd. dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next generation keyboard layout (illume)
Michal Brzozowski schrieb: Hi, Here's a keyboard layout that I've created. The idea is to have a finger friendly keyboard good for normal text as well as terminal input. It needs some polish, but I'm sure you'll have cool ideas how to make it better, so I'm releasing now. Features: - doesn't use the dictionary (I've found the dict too slow for now, at least on SHR unstable) - not using the dictionary, it can utilize the top part of the keyboard app (see screenshots) - Fn key that switches between qwerty and a layout with some special characters, arrows and numbers - Enter and backspace keys (so no finger sliding needed) - Some keys are very thin and are on the edges of the screen. You use them by pressing the GTA's case near the screen (I take no responsibility if doing that damages your phone). - No capslock. - The very thin key on the left is tab, the very thin one on the right is Enter. - There is an up and down arrow to use for command line history. - You can switch to another layout by sliding your finger up on the keyboard (the keyboard selection button is covered by the keys). Screenshots: http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/keyboard1.png http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/%7Emakbet/keyboard1.png http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/keyboard2.png http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/%7Emakbet/keyboard2.png The layout file: http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/~makbet/Keyboard-ng.kbd http://www.mimuw.edu.pl/%7Emakbet/Keyboard-ng.kbd I've only tested this on SHR unstable. Have fun! in theory it is just awesome! but the current version permits changing the keyboard layout... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: buzz fix (was: Pulster offer - Freerunner now 249 eur)
Because the bass fix is not easy to fix. I can say it is very hard to fix, because the series capacitor on the output of amplifier is located under the metal plate and no large capacitor can be soldered here. I have fixed it with connecting capacitors (220uF) outside PCB and creating hole in metal plate. It is connected with wires, but soldering it on the PCB under the crease of metal plate (located very close to border) is freak. And may be, OM engineers have no courage to recommend it. But after implementation it plays very good. But - i don't use it as phone so i don't know, if it has no RF noise. Yorick Moko wrote: only the audio-fix (big capacitator to provide more bass isn't; hoping to see that one documented as well I would hate to get two things fixed, and have to fix a third one a week later... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/buzz-fix-%28was%3A-Pulster-offer---Freerunner-now-249-eur%29-tp2141213p2220259.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Heidelberg/Mannheim Cafe Meet
Hi Niall ! Would be great to have a Moko-Meeting in northern Baden-Württemberg! I live in Karlsruhe, so it's no problem for me to travel to Heidelberg or Mannheim. Looking forward to meeting you guys ! Greetz, Thomas Niall Haslam schrieb: Hi, Given that the English users seem to be meeting up in Pubs across their country I was wondering if there is any interest in doing the same, but in a cafe/pub in Germany. I am based in Heidelberg and would like to suggest meeting up with other openmoko users in the area. I would obviously prefer HD but could do Mannheim easily enough. Niall ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Using Toolchain to Build Python Modules
Is it possible to use the toolchain to cross-compile python modules for the freerunner (i.e., python setup.py build)? If so, how does one go about doing it? I would prefer to avoid installing debian on my freerunner/sd card just to build this one module, if possible. Thanks. -- Dylan Maxwell Reilly ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Heidelberg/Mannheim Cafe Meet
Hi, Am Montag, den 26.01.2009, 21:21 +0100 schrieb Thomas Hauth: Hi Niall ! Would be great to have a Moko-Meeting in northern Baden-Württemberg! I live in Karlsruhe, so it's no problem for me to travel to Heidelberg or Mannheim. Looking forward to meeting you guys ! Karlsruhe sounds good to me :-) Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
what tests for (non working) 3G SIM?
Hi, As I see the SIM from 3mobile (UK) is not working with the GTA02v6 (running SHR unstable). Should I run any debugging tests (just for your info..)? If so, what can I do? Chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/what-tests-for-%28non-working%29-3G-SIM--tp2220544p2220544.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what tests for (non working) 3G SIM?
I assume you've put moko10 on there? On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Chris Syntichakis ch...@c-64.mobi wrote: Hi, As I see the SIM from 3mobile (UK) is not working with the GTA02v6 (running SHR unstable). Should I run any debugging tests (just for your info..)? If so, what can I do? Chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/what-tests-for-%28non-working%29-3G-SIM--tp2220544p2220544.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what tests for (non working) 3G SIM?
well, I had a non-working 3g card, but did the firmware upgrade and it works ok now. so i suggest you do the same Tom Chris Syntichakis escribió: Hi, As I see the SIM from 3mobile (UK) is not working with the GTA02v6 (running SHR unstable). Should I run any debugging tests (just for your info..)? If so, what can I do? Chris ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: SHR Unstable
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:36:56 -0800 (PST), Chris Syntichakis ch...@c-64.mobi wrote: Hi, How can I activate the GPS with the SHR? I open the tangoGPS but I got no info if the gps is on or getting data.. Chris The line of text across below the map view (above the Map|Trip|Track etc tabs) shows GPS info as does the Trip display. Of particular interest on the map view is the last group of characters - 0/0/0.0 when first started. On mine (SHR-unstable+updates) it changes to 12/0/0.0 after about 10-15 seconds. The 12 is referring to 12 satellites for which it thinks it has positions. The second number is the number of those satellites it is actually tracking. For me that stays at zero (no fix until 3-4 sats tracked) for anywhere from 45 secs to 5 mins depending on sky visibility, at which point I almost always pick up 3-5 sats at once and have first fix. With SHR the GPS is handled by frameworkd, with fso-gpsd acting as a backward-compatibility layer for things (like TangoGPS) that can talk to gpsd but not dbus+frameworkd. But what happens is that frameworkd feeds the kitty at startup of GPS (when something - including fso-gpsd - requests the GPS resource, it starts it) and sends the GPS some assistance data. The problem I had for a time (haha) was that if the clock on the FR is way off it will NEVER get a GPS fix, likely due to frameworkd stuffing thoroughly-invalid data into it at the start. (I'd always presumed that 'worst-case' it would take much longer to get a fix, IE as long as completely unassisted) Make sure the clock on the FR is both correctly and accurately set. Check /etc/timezone - the default setting is Europe/London IIRC. you /should/ be able to use anything under /usr/share/zoneinfo. I emphasized should because I could never get it to work correctly with EST5EDT, but it works with America/New_York. (same timezone - I also wasted time effort trying to make /etc/timezone a symlink to the appropriate zoneinfo file, the 'standard' zoneinfo usage, rather than putting the name of the chosen zone in /etc/timezone) Once that's set up, reboot and check the clock. The date command tells you the configured timezone as well as what it believes to be local time. Assuming that's correct, make sure you have pretty clear view of at least most of the sky (for first tests at least) and fire up TangoGPS. Hopefully you'll see some activity pretty quickly. If that first number changes away from zero fut the second one never does, then likely you have insufficient visibility. If they both stay at zero then I'd take a look again at the clock... Oh, and you may need some touchscreen or Aux-button activity periodically to make sure it doesn't suspend while waiting for first fix. On my SHR-powered FR, indoors, I just fired up TangoGPS as I was writing this, and it got a fix in about 2 mins, lost it when I moved the phone elsewhere on my desk, then regained it in another 4 mins or so, my numbers for reference are 12/4/2.1. These are the relevant lines from my /var/log/frameworkd.log: 2009.01.26 15:44:46 ogspd.gpsdevice INFO enabling 2009.01.26 15:44:46 ogpsdWARNING (could not write to '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron': [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron') 2009.01.26 15:44:50 ogpsdWARNING UBX packet ignored \xb5b\x01\x04\x12\x00\...@\x9a\t\x0f'\x0f'\x0f'\x0f'\x0f'\x0f\x00'\x0f'\xf4\xf8 2009.01.26 15:44:51 ogpsdWARNING UBX packet ignored '\xb5b\x01\x12$\x00\...@\x9a\t\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00' 2009.01.26 15:52:44 ogpsdWARNING UBX packet ignored '\xb5b\x01\x04\x12\x00\x00\xb1\x8b\xa1\t%\x01\t\x01}\x00d\x00\xf5\x00\x90\x00\xc7\x00Z.' 2009.01.26 15:52:44 ogpsdWARNING UBX packet ignored '\xb5b\x01\x12$\x00\xb1\x8b\xa1\t\x0e\x00\x00\x00\x05\x00\x00\x00\x84\x94' Just so you know that those warnings are NOT a failure, despite them it has accurately located me at the back of my house... The first warning (no such file) I believe arises because frameworkd hits both sysfs locations for GPS power - 2.6.24 and 2.6.28 kernel variations, knowing that one will work and the other will cause no grief. j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what tests for (non working) 3G SIM?
err.. you mean the gsm firmware? no.. should I put this? chris Sargun Dhillon wrote: I assume you've put moko10 on there? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/what-tests-for-%28non-working%29-3G-SIM--tp2220544p2220693.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what tests for (non working) 3G SIM?
Read the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing Good luck, I wish you godspeed. :-P On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Chris Syntichakis ch...@c-64.mobi wrote: err.. you mean the gsm firmware? no.. should I put this? chris Sargun Dhillon wrote: I assume you've put moko10 on there? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/what-tests-for-%28non-working%29-3G-SIM--tp2220544p2220693.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: SHR Unstable
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:41:59 +0100, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 20:37, Chris Syntichakis ch...@c-64.mobi wrote: BTW Bluetooth has a bug. I can activate it, but when I put ON the visibility slider, it goes back to OFF. It looks like hciconfig is unable to set visibility to ON. Maybe hardware isn't powered on? I'm sure that it isn't bug in shr-settings - maybe in kernel or frameworkd. dos I had this same behavior over the weekend as I was trying to pair with a new bluetooth dongle. But today it works fine. Don't know if that was the opkg update I did in the meantime, or the switch back to andy-tracking 2.6.28 kernel though. (I suspect it was fixed by the frameworkd update that installed this morning) j -- Joel Newkirk http://jthinks.com (blog) http://newkirk.us/om (FR stuff) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: next generation keyboard layout (illume)
Michal Brzozowski schrieb: 2009/1/26 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org mailto:r...@1407.org Pressing the case to simulate a mouse press at the edge of the touch screen is a really cool undocumented feature :-) I do it regularly to use these extremely thin scroll bars in some apps Yes, but maybe it's undocumented because it's not supposed to happen and gremlins may eat the durability of the device sooner :) Time will show, hopefully not until GTA03 comes out :-) i found out, that this (utilizing the whole available space ) only works because of the name of the kbd layout. explanation: my defualt kbd was called Alpha. I edited the next-gen kbd to meet my needs and renamed it to Alpha.kbd after deactivating an reactivating teh illume kbd (in the kbd menu) i realized, that the kbd got bigger, because the size is calculated from the first kbd-layout that is in the list of available layouts. i think this might be the same resize (or at least a similar) bug, that prevents the kbd from utilising the space in 4:3 mode (it is only resized if you deactivate and reactivate the kbd from within the config menu). so i renamed my numbers.kbd to 12345.kbd. I mean yes, it is awesome!!! (but i dont like sliding my finger to change kbds since i've got a whole lot of them, but this is matter of taste) ...but i am not sure how long this will work ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM and GPRS?
Steffen Winkler wrote: Hi, is it possible to use GPRS with the current FDOM image? I don't know :-/ I have been trying for a while... I'm not sure whether it is the software versions and bugs, phone network doing silly things or the stupid user stopping it working. If yes: Is there a GUI or do I have to adjust the config files by hand? You need to adjust the config files by hand.You can start it from GUI from the services panel, once it is configured. If I've to adjust the config files by hand, is there a howto? (which files and what do I've to edit there) I don't think so. I've been looking for a modern OM 2008.XX GPRS howto for a long time and none exist really as far as I know. Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Heidelberg/Mannheim Cafe Meet
Hi, would be great, I'm also from Kalsruhe.. greetings, mat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multitouch possible?
I asked this question once before and it was discussed at length. It's the hardware. It'll never happen. tears -Charles Pax On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Monday 26 January 2009 19:52:28 schrieb The Digital Pioneer: So the question is, is this just a limitation of the hardware (which is my understanding) or is it possible to make a driver that actually sends both coordinate locations? It's a limitation of the Neo's hardware. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
Hi, sorry for you all that lost your phone, stolen or lost anyhow by being careless. I also had lost a phone, but not my FR :-) I read the thread, and think about my contract. I have no gprs as of my old phone didn't let me opening web or wap pages. I have some questions and ideas that are in my brain :-) Is there any way to use analog modem connections ? I don't know how much CPU power is needed but when possible a phone could send more data to a dedicated number we could provide for that. If a real modem connection couldn't be used, what about creating a tone modulation for the data to be send as a 'spoken' message to be send back to a number as a voice recorder. The voice recorder then (a Linux PC :-) could decode the data and store the data. All the data could be collected on a web service to probably get the bad guys behind to give that information to the police. The web service also could provide information about stolen devices, thus when a phone gets any wlan connection, it could check for stolen state. This is not that spoof able I think, because the web sevice may be as usual password protected. But the server could provide sms, mms or phone gateways for fallback options. More gateways could be provided by us. The new gateway information could be uploaded by interacting with the user (software updates :-) If a phone didn't have gprs, sms, mms, or wlan, sending prepared 'data voices' would be an option. It didn't need to send much at first to get an answer about the stolen state in that way. I think the recorded data could be decoded in both directions, you don't need much cpu power, because it will be unidirectional, or let the 'protocol' enough time between packed sent and anser packets for decoding. Doing an active voice call may save us the cost of callbacks or sending back sms. With a proper longtime protocol with long pauses or a better solution a lot could be done. Usually you could activate this when the sim card get's changed without any notice to the user. He should still use the phone a while to collect information. We then could start a preinstalled application to authenticate the sim card change. If not options are many. The PIN entry of the normal card could be replaced by the PIN you provide. The user then wouldn't realize it, but claims to enter the correct, we simply accept, but start the timer for the above actions. Or we leave the user in claim that the documentation of it's sim card provider doesn't seem to be correct and he/she must issue a call with the service provider. At that point, the service provider couldn't help for that special phone. The new 'user' HAS to contact the manufacturer and so on you probably get your phone back, because the manufacturer should request for sending back the phone. Getting the state of stolen, the phone could anyway send a message to a police station near the user with spd-say, after the 'anti-theft' server has located the next police station's telephone number with any of the above options sent back to the phone. (Maybe with manual data entry of the phone numbers by us users with POI collection, hehe tangoGPS :-) That way the phone could help actively. Not only 'data voices' could be sent. Also the collected wlan, phone towers, GPS, voice, phone numbers and what else could help to locate the guys behind, as the phones will walk up to the key guys before it would reselled. (Where they all are located would be very nice POI data) With that data, we could help the police. A note about the attack to people currently having your phone: They may not know, that they have a stolen phone, thus you get to be a 'criminal' and beware, you may also get reatacked by the person :-) Giving the police the collected data, would propably help much more. What about all my stupid brain stuff ? Discuss about the possibilities - even stupid ideas as the old 'acustic coupler'. You don't really need all the modern GPRS stuff :-) If that is possible also the cost of operation is not very high I think - even you change your card (you know to start a separate unlocker) Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which file system for sd card?
Does anyone use PosixOVL on top of VFAT? I know of this because of slax On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: Anyway, I'm also inclined for FAT, mostly for the simplicity (thus less susceptibility to corruption) and universality of the fs. I'm just left I'd stay away from FAT: its simplicity makes it less susceptible to software bugs, maybe, but still susceptible to corruption. The general recommendation is to go with ext3 (ext2 is more likely to get corrupted on crash or power loss, and fsck is a pain in the rear). The potential performance (and wearout) issue with the journal is only theoretical. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
Oooh :-) Idea: Make it shock the user if its not the right user. I smell smoke I think it is coming from over there. Hey look there is my phone. next to a flaming POS. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de wrote: Hi, sorry for you all that lost your phone, stolen or lost anyhow by being careless. I also had lost a phone, but not my FR :-) I read the thread, and think about my contract. I have no gprs as of my old phone didn't let me opening web or wap pages. I have some questions and ideas that are in my brain :-) Is there any way to use analog modem connections ? I don't know how much CPU power is needed but when possible a phone could send more data to a dedicated number we could provide for that. If a real modem connection couldn't be used, what about creating a tone modulation for the data to be send as a 'spoken' message to be send back to a number as a voice recorder. The voice recorder then (a Linux PC :-) could decode the data and store the data. All the data could be collected on a web service to probably get the bad guys behind to give that information to the police. The web service also could provide information about stolen devices, thus when a phone gets any wlan connection, it could check for stolen state. This is not that spoof able I think, because the web sevice may be as usual password protected. But the server could provide sms, mms or phone gateways for fallback options. More gateways could be provided by us. The new gateway information could be uploaded by interacting with the user (software updates :-) If a phone didn't have gprs, sms, mms, or wlan, sending prepared 'data voices' would be an option. It didn't need to send much at first to get an answer about the stolen state in that way. I think the recorded data could be decoded in both directions, you don't need much cpu power, because it will be unidirectional, or let the 'protocol' enough time between packed sent and anser packets for decoding. Doing an active voice call may save us the cost of callbacks or sending back sms. With a proper longtime protocol with long pauses or a better solution a lot could be done. Usually you could activate this when the sim card get's changed without any notice to the user. He should still use the phone a while to collect information. We then could start a preinstalled application to authenticate the sim card change. If not options are many. The PIN entry of the normal card could be replaced by the PIN you provide. The user then wouldn't realize it, but claims to enter the correct, we simply accept, but start the timer for the above actions. Or we leave the user in claim that the documentation of it's sim card provider doesn't seem to be correct and he/she must issue a call with the service provider. At that point, the service provider couldn't help for that special phone. The new 'user' HAS to contact the manufacturer and so on you probably get your phone back, because the manufacturer should request for sending back the phone. Getting the state of stolen, the phone could anyway send a message to a police station near the user with spd-say, after the 'anti-theft' server has located the next police station's telephone number with any of the above options sent back to the phone. (Maybe with manual data entry of the phone numbers by us users with POI collection, hehe tangoGPS :-) That way the phone could help actively. Not only 'data voices' could be sent. Also the collected wlan, phone towers, GPS, voice, phone numbers and what else could help to locate the guys behind, as the phones will walk up to the key guys before it would reselled. (Where they all are located would be very nice POI data) With that data, we could help the police. A note about the attack to people currently having your phone: They may not know, that they have a stolen phone, thus you get to be a 'criminal' and beware, you may also get reatacked by the person :-) Giving the police the collected data, would propably help much more. What about all my stupid brain stuff ? Discuss about the possibilities - even stupid ideas as the old 'acustic coupler'. You don't really need all the modern GPRS stuff :-) If that is possible also the cost of operation is not very high I think - even you change your card (you know to start a separate unlocker) Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: multitouch possible?
I agree that it is a hardware limitation. But, you never know what some one will come up. One day someone may come up with an idea the rest of us never thought about. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Alsa state chooser
I'm not sure what the status of the Dbus sound stuff is, but I wrote a little program to choose the alsa state file with a simple gui. Attached is the code in anyone is interested. All it is is 1 button for each state file, very simplistic, uses elementary. (which btw kicks ass Raster) You would run it like so: scalpel `ls -1 /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/` meh, whatever, works for me -Tim http://n2.nabble.com/file/n224/scalpel.c scalpel.c -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Alsa-state-chooser-tp224p224.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OE] Getting the curl-based apps (Webkit browsers!) working with HTTPS
The biggest itch I had when using my Openmoko for browsing the Net was
that I wasn't unable to connect to the greatest part of the https pages.
Only Minimo (sometimes), dillo (if recompiled with ssl support, and if
the page was good for it) and fennec (after some minutes for loading it
:|) could give me some chances; but this was all absolutely un-usable.
I wanted a working Webkit-based browser!
This is very important to me since, in many circumstances I can navigate
only after that I've established an https connection (i.e.: at my
University I must log-in to the WiFi network by accessing to an https page).
Some time ago I researched a little about this issue [1]; at the
beginning I thought that the problem was in Webkit itself, but then I
found that the problem was in the libcurl library provided by
OpenEmbedded (since the same webkit library was working fine in debian).
This evening I tried to understand more about the Openmoko/OE issue;
practically the libcurl4 library provided by our main distributions has
not compiled with any ssl support (at least this happens in Om2008, but
it _should_ be fixed using the latest Angstrom feeds).
So, as a first step I've compiled libcurl with gnutls support by
configuring it with:
--with-random=/dev/urandom --with-gnutls=${OM_PATH}/usr --without-ssl
BTW, also after this step I didn't have the https links working...
The problem was that I didn't provide to libcurl any certificate; so
I've copied from my PC the file /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt and I
finally got the https protocol working with curl!
I've tested both the curl client and all the webkit-based browsers I've
(Midori, Openmoko-browser2 and mostly eWWW [2]).
Not to worry too much about certificates (well, there are greater
security issues around :|), I've made also a small patch to avoid always
the ssl verification (so also with no ca-certificates.crt file in your
phone, you should be able to get any https site) [3].
However, to get all this simply working in your phone you've only to:
- opkg install libgnutls13 libgcrypt11 libgpg-error0
- unpack from your phone root libcurl-gnutls.tar.bz2 [4] or
libcurl-gnutls-unsafe.tar.bz2 [5] (if you want to use the patched
libcurl to trust to any ssl host by default - this package includes
the unneeded ca-certificates.crt anyway).
- you can upgrade your webkit library with this one [6] (optional) that
includes the SquirrelFish extreme javascript engine.
- Play with any webkit browser you want :)
It's not needed to backup (mine is called libcurl-gnutls.so.5.1.1). To
switch back to your previous libcurl library you simply need to:
- ln -sf libcurl.so.4.1.0 /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4
Sorry for the long prelude, but I like to tell stories... :P
Bye.
PS: for Openmoko packagers, I figure that to fix this issue in every
Openmoko device you should simply compile curl to use gnutls and provide
some certificates.
[1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1383309|a1450113
[2] http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/ewww-gmail-ssl.png
[3] http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/curl-always-avoid-ssl-verification.patch
[4] http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/libcurl-gnutls.tar.bz2
[5]
http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/libcurl-gnutls-unsafe.tar.bz2
[6]
http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/libwebkit-1.0-1_0.1%2bsvnr37056_armv4t.ipk
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Re: python upgrade in fso-testing broken ssl TCP connections....
NeilBrown wrote: Hi, I use the http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-testing/ and so recently python got upgraded from 2.5 to 2.6. This broke pygtk as that is still expecting python-2.5 to be present. but it isn't. I fixed that with a few symlinks, but problems continued. In particular, 'ssl.py' doesn't exist, so when urllib tries to import ssl, it fails, so I cannot make https: requests. Can this (And the pygtk version) be fixed? Anything I can do to help? Thanks, NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hey Neil, these library problems are known and I think one has been fixed already (?) see ticket 320 http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/320 Many of these issues will be resolved with the release of milestone 5. cheers -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/python-upgrade-in-fso-testing-broken-ssl-TCP-connections-tp2215397p386.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
