Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de wrote: Please note Android is a Google(TM) product. TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Google is evil. Android is no free OS. By what definition of free is Android not a free OS? Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader sales and the future of Openmoko
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: Please note Android is a Google(TM) product. TM stands for total monopol. Or terrible monster. Google is evil. Android is no free OS. By what definition of free is Android not a free OS? by free as in speech. it's not 100% open -- important parts of the os, namely hw drivers, are closed. True with respect to most phones, because hardware manufacturers don't release their drivers. Not true with respect to the Freerunner. In any case, Android is exactly as free as Linux is, because you would have exactly the same problem running any Linux-based OS on that hardware, correct? So Linux is not free by your definition. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: T-mobile even more plus
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: Hi, I want to get a t-mobile even more plus unlimited data plan in the USA. Is there anyone with hands on experience with this plan? It says, unlimited web access, does that mean unlimited access to web sites, or can i use ssh/scp/rsync to offload my pictures and videos to my server at home? I have a T-Mobile Even More Plus plan with Unlimited Web for Phones. I just successfully ssh'd from my phone to an internet host, so they don't block port 22. I know common protocols like POP and IMAP work in addition to web, and with ssh, I guess you could tunnel anything else you might need. If you're going to be rsync'ing your video library, you may want to ask about data caps on a mobile forum site like howardforums.com, but it's hard to imagine you'll have a problem at GPRS speed with the Freerunner. Good luck! Jim Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Two queries about Android installation
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.comwrote: On 24 April 2010 21:59, James Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: The installer puts all of Android in NAND. After installation the SD card is only used for extra storage (web downloads, media, etc.) Any FAT formatted SD card will do. You can run with no SD card in there, but as I recall, some things don't work. It should boot other distributions from SD. The modification is because Andoid uses a different NAND partition layout. If you want to replace Android with a different distribution in NAND, you should reflash Qi. Hope that helps! Yes thanks, it does. It tells me that I can't switch between Debian and Android completely seamlessly - but that I can at least do it by swapping SD cards. Which is probably OK for now. You may be able to partition your SD card so that Android can find a FAT partition, yet you can still boot Debian from a different ext3 partition. I'm not sure off hand how to do it, but I'd be surprised if it's not possible. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Help needed: adb, WiFi and terminal
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Åsmund Stavdahl smu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello fellow Openmokonians, I recently installed Android on my FR, and so far I am very pleased with it's performance. Sadly I am having some problems: 1.: I have trouble connecting my Android to Ubuntu Karmic. This is what I do when I try to connect it: -boot Ubuntu -connect my FR to the computer via USB -I use Qi, so it boots automatically when I connect it with USB I once (the first time) got a Network-Manager notifier when I connected, but since then I've not seen the device anywhere but in lsusb (not in ifconfig -a, Network-Manager or Wicd). Any suggestions as of what I am doing wrong? 2.: WiFi problems! I've always had WiFi problems on every wireless device I've owned, so I'm quite used to it. It says it's connected after I've selected my AP and entered my passkey, but no network traffic whatsoever. Do I need to enable/disable something? What version of Android have you installed? How is your AP configured? (WEP, WPA, etc.) Do you have MAC-based access control on your AP? 3.: I'd very much like to use the built-in terminal emulator, but I can't submit the command (pressing enter doesn't work). Any obvious tricks I've missed here? You may have better luck asking your questions on the android-on-freerunner mailing list at: http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner You might also check the FAQ at: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions or the suuport page on the same site. Jim Thanks in advance ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 06.01.2010, 17:28 +0100 schrieb Laszlo KREKACS: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ Unlikely. Same as all other Android phones. Nightmare to get root and after that, you have quite some work to remove the Androidisms. Or teach FSO to use them as well. Modem-interface unclear. No rooting neccessary. As I posted earlier on this thread, the Nexus One allows users to unlock the bootloader. See http://tinyurl.com/y9nusuy Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or somehow put fso on it? - Google Nexus http://www.google.com/phone/ The Nexus One has an unlockable bootloader built-in--just agree to the risks of modifying firmware and you're in, no hacking required: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/49595 That's certainly a step in the right direction. Jim - Motorola MILESTONE (US version: Droid) http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-MILESTONE-XW-EN Already rooted the US version (Droid): http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=236t=567 - Nokia N900 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ - Palm Pre http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/ - Apple iphone http://www.apple.com/iphone/ Maybe apple iphone seems unrealistic, but the hardware is quite similar to the other ones. Almost all of the aboves uses omap3430 processor. Google Nexus uses snapdragon... Is there some site, who tracks the process of RE of each individual devices? Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [freerunner] data plan USA
ATT (formerly Cingular) has prepaid voice and data. The details of the various plans are on their web site at: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/go-phones/pyg-plans-phones.jsp They offer two add-on data feature packages: 1 mb for $4.99 100 mb for 19.99 More detail on the feature packages here: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/prepaid-feature-packages.jsp Both of the data plans are good for thirty days and unused data can be rolled over if you renew before the 30 days are up. With my Freerunner I can stretch 100 mb over several months, just paying $4.99 every thirty days to add a megabyte and (more importantly) roll over the unused data from the 100 mb package. The other nationwide GSM carrier in the US is T-mobile. AFAIK, they don't have a pure prepaid data option, although there is some kind of walled garden set of mobile sites that their prepaid customers can access free. Howard Forums has a good set of prepaid discussion forums at: http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=325 Hope this helps! Jim On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: Hi all, We will be traveling trough the mid-west of the USA this summer for about a month. And i am looking for a way to have mobile internet on my freerunner while doing so. (freerunner used as a modem for my laptop too) What are the experiences with mobile data in that part of the US? What is the best provider ? (cingular, t-mobile) What is the cheapest way to do so? Can you roam from state to state on one plan, or is there a price per state? Last time i bought a card like [1], but only for voice calls, and that worked well. Thanks for the input! Kind regards, Ed [1] http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-UNUSED-3G-SIM-CARD-SIM-CARD-for-CINGULAR-ATT-AT-T_W0QQitemZ170374759346QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSIM_Cards?hash=item27ab2083b2 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Some questions about android on Freerunner
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: I would like some suggestions on where to go, and wether I can export my google code svn history. Please let us know your conclusions :) Some resources I found: There's a comparison page at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_hosting_facilities There's an API for Google's Issues database: http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/IssueTrackerAPI And the wiki content is in source control and can be exported, although syntax may be an issue. Jim Thanks, Rui On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:00:34PM -0500, Jim Ancona wrote: It appears that Google is actively blocking access to Google Code from Iran and several other countries. See their TOS: http://code.google.com/tos.html and these threads on their groups list: http://groups.google.com/group/google-code-hosting/search?group=google-code-hostingq=iran I'm the owner of the android-on-freerunner Google Code project. I will initiate a discussion about moving the project to another site on the a-o-f mailing list, http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner, which doesn't appear to be blocked. Jim On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Levy levy.santa...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 14:12, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra If you prove me it's Google who's actively blocking Iran, then I will remove both omnewrotate and elmdentica from Google Code in protest. Nice, I would like to suggest the same for other Free projects! Best regards from a portuguese, Rui Best regards from a brazillian, Levy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Steven ** montg...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jim Ancona j...@anconafamily.com wrote: And in fact, almost all of the (non-Google) apps I've tried seem to run on my Freerunner. Jim Although not necessarily well. I tried some puzzle game I downloaded from AndAppStore. It ran horribly slow. I didn't think the Freerunner was much slower than the G1. Anyone else have trouble like this? Performance is definitely an issue, and Michael Trimarchi has very recently committed some changes that seem to have improved the it significantly. Please feel free to log issues like this on the tracker at http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/list, especially if you have a reproducible case. For Anyone else...-type questions, you may have better luck getting feedback from other users on the mailing list at http://groups.google.com/group/android-on-freerunner Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Levy levy.santa...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi aditya...@gmail.com wrote: That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner?? One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not work! ! :-( Many of the Google Apps depend on APIs that aren't in the open source distribution (e.g. for login). If you are interested, there is quite a bit of discussion on the android-platform list (http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform) around what to do about the missing APIs and applications. I've been working on an open source clone of the proprietary Google Maps API. The code is here: http://gitorious.org/android-maps-api It should be included in upcoming daily and weekly builds for the android-on-freerunner project. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: On Monday 12 October 2009, Levy wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 20:34, Aditya Gandhi aditya...@gmail.com wrote: That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner?? One time I made a test with Gmail.apk that I got from a G1 and did not work! ! :-( No surprise there. The G1 has a later family of ARM cpu with instructions the FR doesn't support. No, that's not the reason. With the exception of those built with the new native development kit, apk's (the Android application packaging format) run in the Dalvik VM and are processor independent. AFAIK, the issue with is only missing APIs. Of course, that doesn't make Gmail run any better, but it does mean that apps that are developed using the public APIs and don't use the NDK should run across Android platforms regardless of the underlying processor. And in fact, almost all of the (non-Google) apps I've tried seem to run on my Freerunner. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen tin...@gmail.com wrote: Is there instructions for installing Android manually on your SD card anywhere? There isn't yet. You can follow this issue if you want to know when an SD installable version is available: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=7 Jim I would like to try it out, but if it overwrites my NAND and installs a incompatible Qi boot loader so that my other installs don't work, I'll have to wait until those things are fixed. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DANGER, koolu's Qi is incompatible with other systems (was: Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner)
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com writes: ... It installs the Qi bootloader, reboots, the kernel, reboots, then installs the system image. I want to warn everybody that the Qi version provided by Koolu is some questionable fork to change partition layout or so i was told. The result is that it becomes incompatible with all other distros, so beware. This should really be added to some android docs, imho. Thanks for the report! I've added this to track the issue: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/issues/detail?id=11 I think this is due to Android expecting separate rootfs and user data partitions, but I'm not sure yet. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android Donut on FreeRunner (was Re: Kernel Mode-Setting (KMS) on Neo FreeRunner + Debian)
AFAIK, Michael still hasn't published his changes in a public repository. To improve the speed of the Koolu build, see the patch in this email: http://android.koolu.org/pipermail/android-freerunner-koolu.org/2009-July/001149.html Jim On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Chris Samuelch...@csamuel.org wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:49:09 am Christopher Friedt wrote: I've since become a bit fixated with Android Donut on my FreeRunner, and am just about finished building an ARMv4T generic version of Donut (hopefully everything links ok without relocations!). Next I'll have to try to integrate a massive diff of the KoolU-Cupcake changeset with Donut (ugghh..). I reckon it would be worth looking at pulling in Michael Trimarchi's (Panicking) changes too. He's got echo suppression working, not to mention it being much faster than the Koolu builds. cheers! Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: good bye google code
If your code is released under an open source license, _anyone_ can keep it even if you don't want them to. By applying a FLOSS license to your code, you gave everyone in the world that right. Jim On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Patryk Benderzpatryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: You can. I have done - you just have to go in with the shell - or ask them to do it. That case they had to change their policy. It was written explicitly in some agreement that they are allowed to keep this code even if you do not want this. -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa 00-103 KRS 065121 NIP 526-10-27-638 REGON 011136053 Kapitał akcyjny: 15.500.000 złotych (w pełni opłacony) This message and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). Any publication, transmission or other use of the information by a person or entity other than the intended addressee is prohibited. If you receive this in error please contact the sender and delete the material. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions as a result of the transmission. Email secured by Check Point ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: root almighty
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:23:38AM -0700, Gothnet wrote: What's proprietary about android? The DRM locking you out of applying changes to phones. The excuse of oh, its the phone maker/operator that does it is a mere smoke screen. And no, an unbricked android phone does not count as Free Software since you're possibly breaking the law (in the US thanks to the DMCA, and in EU thanks to the EUCD). Are you talking about Android, or are you talking about phones that run it? Obviously, most phones that run Android are proprietary. The Freerunner is not. That's got nothing to do with whether the Android OS is free software. Android is under the APL2, which has even less restriction than the GPL, Only on a superficial level can that be true. It has less restrictions than the GPL because the later tries to make sure everyone has all the essencial freedoms. According to the FSF, Apache 2 is a free software license: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#apache2. APL2 (and similar licenses) mean that somewhere along the line YOU may not have a Free Software phone on your hands, just another proprietary piece of crap. It's true that someone can make a proprietary fork of the Android code. The code that's installed on my phone will continue to be free. it. Check out koolu for their android source git, though the mainline source is available directly from google. Yes, the OpenMoko is the first Free Software example of Android (and it's the worst out there for making calls on the FreeRunner, according to the comments I've seen). To the extent that the Freerunner is a free phone (proprietary bits like the GSM modem and wifi notwithstanding), if you run Android on it you will be using a free phone with a free as in freedom operating system. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: root almighty
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: Well, since Freedom 0 is hampered in practice, as well as freedom 3, and without freedoms 0 and 3, 1 and 2 aren't of much use, I can't label software oriented towards being DRM friendly as Free Software, in practice. How are Freedoms 0 and 3 hampered? (For those who don't know what we're talking about, see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) On my Freerunner, I can run Android for any purpose, I can make changes to the software and release those changes to the community. OTOH, it's possible that someone could port OM2009 to proprietary hardware. That wouldn't make the hardware free or OM2009 non-free. Arguably it would make the entire system (phone+software) more free than it was. How is Android DRM-friendly? And software that is only Free Software in theory... well, that doesn't quite cut it, for me. Again, the FSF, the same folks who define those four freedoms say that is free Android is under the APL2, which has even less restriction than the GPL, Only on a superficial level can that be true. It has less restrictions than the GPL because the later tries to make sure everyone has all the essencial freedoms. According to the FSF, Apache 2 is a free software license: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html#apache2. We're miscommunicating. What I'm saying is that the end result is more restricted software rather than more Free Software, hence only from a superficial level can it be considered as less restricted. At an atomical level, yes, but life doesn't end there :( I see the end result as more free software and the possibility of more restricted software (since someone can always make a proprietary fork). I can't properly configure IBM HTTPd Server because IBM (in Portugal) is claiming not to support our configuration (more PCI:DSS oriented), so bummer for APL :) If you wanted free software you could have used Apache's HTTP Server, not IBM's. Note that Apache is still free software, even though IBM sells a fork of the Apache code. To the extent that the Freerunner is a free phone (proprietary bits like the GSM modem and wifi notwithstanding), if you run Android on it you will be using a free phone with a free as in freedom operating system. Yes, but I am using my freedom of choice to choose not to support a model oriented towards reducing user freedom, and my freedom of speech to advocate against it. :) Of course you can make that decision. I see Android increasing the total amount of user freedom, especially in the mobile world, which has been almost totally closed up until very recently. Imagine how many more people might be using Freerunners (and how much better shape Openmoko might be in) if Android had come out a year earlier than it did. I hope the availability of Android will eventually drive the release of more open hardware, opening up more choice for all of us, including those like you who don't want to use Android. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debuzzing
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org wrote: Am 28.04.2009 um 22:30 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: 2) Therefore we plan to offer this service to all Openmoko owners within the EU harmonized market / tax union (to avoid re-import/ export hassle). Please note that there will be a rework fee. The final price is not yet clear (expected to be less than 30 EUR incl. shipment) because we are in intensive discussions with Openmoko how they can help to reduce this fee for you. Openmoko has given us now full support and therefore, we can reduce the fee dramatically. A bad news is that you have to cover 2 way shipment. But another good news is that Openmoko provides a free battery as a gift for each shipment. Can someone from Openmoko comment on whether there are plans to offer something similar outside the EU? I'm in the US, but I'm sure Freerunner users elsewhere are also interested. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] com.android.phone unexpectedly quits
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Braydon Fuller cour...@braydon.com wrote: Hi, I am running Koolu B6 on my Freerunner, and have been getting com.android.phone unexpectedly quits error popups many times. Any ideas on how to patch/fix this? I've seen this with beta6 after setting up an APN for GPRS. The behavior went away when I deleted the APN. Even if you didn't define one, you might try deleting those under Settings/Wireless Controls/Mobile networks/Access Point Names. Hope this helps! Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android on freerunner, GUI responsiveness
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote: Hi List. To those who have installed Android on the Freerunner: how responsive is the GUI? Is the Google maps application available? If so, is the panning (for maps and menu lists) as smooth as with G1 or the Android emulator? The Google Maps application, and indeed even the Google Maps API, is not currently part of the open source code, so it's not available on Freerunner. My impression of the UI responsiveness in general is that it's smooth but slow. Obviously such things are subjective, so you'd really have to see for yourself. You might get more answers to this sort of question on the android-freerunner list (see http://android.koolu.org/listinfo.cgi/android-freerunner-koolu.org) to subscribe. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: He also explains what it would take to put 3G in the phones, saying that they'd do it (but the 3G part would be closed) if a customer put in a large enough order (ie 50,000 units). You've just convinced me that, unless this changes, no OpenMoko with 3G will get my money as far as I'm concerned :) IIUC there's no hope on the horizon to get a non-closed phone device (whether 2G as in the FR, or any other cell-phone technology), so that the 3G part would be closed is not any different from the closedness of the GSM/GPRS in the FR. I.e. it would suck, but not more than what we already have. How about wifi? My impression is that the closed nature of the Atheros firmware has been a large part of the wifi issues with the GTA02, despite Werner's and others' hard work. I still can't connect to my work network (WPA2 Enterprise/hidden SSID). Has anyone has gotten WPA2 Enterprise to work? Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner, Jalimo, rxtx, GPS
You don't say which distro you are trying this on, but my guess is
that you are fighting with gpsd or frameworkd for access to the GPS
serial port. You probably should be talking to gpsd/ogpsd or via dbus
to the framework, rather than directly to the serial port.
Jim
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
jldoming...@prodevelop.es wrote:
Dear list,
I am trying to use librxtx to access the GPS device in my FreeRunner through
the /dev/ttySAC1 serial port. I have done this:
opkg install librxtx-java
opkg install librxtx-jni
In the classpath of my little java app I have added RXTXcomm.jar and tried
to execute this code without success. No ports are discovered (with the GPS
on and off), and if I try to access a port called /dev/ttySAC1, it says it
does not exist. What am I doing wrong?
=
static void listPorts()
{
java.util.Enumeration portEnum =
CommPortIdentifier.getPortIdentifiers();
while ( portEnum.hasMoreElements() )
{
CommPortIdentifier portIdentifier = (CommPortIdentifier)
portEnum.nextElement();
System.out.println(portIdentifier.getName() + - +
getPortTypeName(portIdentifier.getPortType()) );
}
}
static String getPortTypeName ( int portType )
{
switch ( portType )
{
case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_I2C:
return I2C;
case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_PARALLEL:
return Parallel;
case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_RAW:
return Raw;
case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_RS485:
return RS485;
case CommPortIdentifier.PORT_SERIAL:
return Serial;
default:
return unknown type;
}
}
=
Regards,
Juan Lucas
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Re: Spam
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Steve 'dillo Okay armad...@gothpunk.com wrote: Hmmm. It would appear that somebody's desktop system or server has been compromised. No, looking at the headers, almost certainly not. Someone simply forged Mickey's address using their email client. I receive spam From my address all the time. The only difference is that they sent it through the mailing list. You all might want to check your AV software. Can I also suggest that people not use the offensive subject in their replies? ---It only gives the bigots more traction and voice. If you think the message is offensive, just think of what it will look like in a Google search 3 months from now. A better rule (which I have just violated) is not to reply at all, since it just clutters the list. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] inital thoughts
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Davide Scaini dsca...@gmail.com writes: which boot loader? (is there a version of uboot already patched for kernels of more than 1.8mb?) U-boot has been able to load large kernels from ext2 for a long time afaik. Some of the kernels floating are larger than 2mb, which requires a change to U-boot parameters (or switching to Qi). The Koolu kernel Russel refers to shouldn't require any change. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Can't boot from current git
Radek Polak wrote: Hi, yesterday i updated and built latest adnroid sources from http://git.koolu.org/. While the previous versions were working fine, this one does not boot. It hangs somewhere in init. These are last lines i see: init: cannot find '/system/bin/playmp3', disabling 'bootsound' init: cannot find '/system/bin/flash_image', disabling 'flash_recovery' Anyone else got this problem, or is something wrong on my side? Try editing platform/vendor/neo/BoardConfig.mk and changing the line BUILD_WITHOUT_PV := true to BUILD_WITHOUT_PV := false That fixed it for me. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] How can I configure WLAN and Bluetooth on Android/Freerunner
이종국 wrote: Hi, I'm using Android/Freerunner built by following the instructions described in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android#Building_the_Koolu_Android_Source. That is, I'm using a system image from Koolu, and the kernel from andy-tracking. Everything looks good until now. However, I can't configure Wi-Fi and Bluetooth with it. I wanted to key in each password for Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. When I tried to configure them, the keyboard invoked by the menu button wasn't activated because the configuration windows (asking for passwords) were positioned at the top-most layer. How can I use the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth? Could you give me a hand? First, please don't cross-post this type of question to multiple lists, and it's best to prefix your subject line with [android] to make it easy for people to filter. You're right that Rui's keyboard doesn't yet work with modal dialogs in Android, like those the Settings app uses for Wi-Fi and Bluetooth configuration. One workaround is to install qad-keyboard.apk, available at http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list. With that keybaord you can compose your text, hit the OK button to copy it to the clipboard, then launch the dialog and use Android's long-press paste menu to paste it into the field. Having said all that, wi-fi doesn't seem to work with the current source. Scanning has never worked, and while with one of Sean's earlier builds if you entered your SSID into settings it would connect, that no longer seems to work. I've played with a bit and haven't come up with a solution. I don't have a bluetooth device to try with it. You can try the keyboard trick above and see how it works for you. Best wishes, Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] Maps application
Cédric Berger wrote: I see no reason why google would not allow the use of this API. Not open sourcing it is one thing, but it is an important piece of their framework, and their goal is to spread the use of android and its applications... I agree completely! Now if someone from Google would chime in... :-) I have installed Andnav 2. Looks really promising. I do not know if it can run without google.map API (since I did add the library for other tests) Andnav1 was depending on it and its data. But due to licence issues, (for advanced use as navigation, offline cache,...), version 2 uses OSM. It seems that Andnav is not open source, while osmdroid is GPL3. Same developer name in both places, so I'm guessing that Andnav uses osmdroid under the I can relicense my code to myself exception. Apparently he plans to start charging for Andnav, but he's also asking for donations to fund a US server. Sounds like there's still some confusion about a business model. osmdroid may still be a good option for an unencumbered Maps API for Android, especially if Google doesn't make their maps API distributable on devices running open source Android. What I'd really like to see is a cloned (i.e. just change package name), open source reimplementation of the Google maps API with pluggable back ends that make it easy to use various map sources including OSM. I guess I should stop talking about it and start coding. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [android] Building Android from the Koolu Source
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Have you been able to get the emulator working with the build sysimage? In my experience, the emulator came up but the phone stays always with a black screen while my CPU us over-used. I've waited some minutes but nothing happens... Is this maybe due to the fact that the android-freerunner distro tries to set some values valid only for GTA0x hardware (i.e. /sys nodes)? How would you suggest to develop using the koolu tree without testing in real hardware? I doubt the Android emulator would work because it emulates different hardware--not even the same CPU instruction set as the Freerunner. You could try the Openmoko QEMU emulator. See the wiki at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QEMU If that works please update the info on the wiki! Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[android] Building Android from the Koolu Source
I've been able to successfully build an Android rootfs from the Koolu repository. When flashed to my phone with the kernel that Sean provided, it runs with just about the same set of issues as the images that Sean has put up. I've documented how I did it on the wiki at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android#Building_the_Koolu_Android_Source Thanks to the folks at Koolu for hosting the repository, and to Sean McNeil, Brian Code and others who have contributed to the port! Now that it's available and buildable, I hope we in the community can start contributing to their excellent work! While I'm sending this message to both the Community and Development lists, please send follow-ups to the development list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) only! I'll be happy to answer questions or clarify anything I can. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions on new Android rootfs
Cédric Berger wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 14:27, Gothnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Improvements since the first release are evident, the graphics are now pretty glitch free where they used to occasionally flicker. However, since the last image I flashed, bluetooth has stopped working, I now just get a message saying Unable to turn on Bluetooth. Wifi claims to turn on but fails to scan. Can't remember if this is better or worse than before. No keyboard, will attempt to find a way to install the one mentioned here: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1583918 Err... does anyone know if suspend/resume works yet? - suspend/resume is known not work yet (at least not reliably). Using Sean's new rootfs and his tracking kernel, suspend/resume does seem to work fairly well for me. I am seeing some spurious resumes, but I think that may be the GSM re-registration issue. I should apply the modem firmware upgrade, I guess. - indeed bluetooth does not work anymore, but I guess it is because of the newest kernel. I did not try it again with previous kernel though. (anyway before I could scan/pair bluetooth but I could not do anything more with it -file transfer, ...-). Haven't tried bluetooth. - wifi still does not work. It is acknowledged by Sean and he is investigating on this. Scan doesn't work. I was able to connect to an open network using the Add a Wi-Fi network option in settings. I was able to check email using Wi-fi. The browser crashes without a message. - with latest kernel, for exemple, backlight brightness is not managed anymore. (because of some kernel changes). I tried Sean's modification : (You'll need to change /system/build.prop: backlight.lcd=/sys/class/backlight/gta02-bl). But I did not manage to get it work yet. - Also Sean is working on integrating the software keyboard from Rui Castro . Until he does, I'm using the QD keyboard app that was mentioned here a while back. It works via cut paste, but gets the job done. For now, most wanted for me is a keyboard, and internet connectivity (90% off android applications need internet access !). Wifi does not work, GPRS either (for me at least), and I did not manage to have internet access via USB (though I have read this may work ? Success anyone ?). Sounds like my wish list. I haven't tried GPRS yet. I'd add that I'd really like to see code access via some sort of public repository plus build instructions so I could experiment and possibly help with fixes etc. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Koolu announces open-source Android port
Just noticed this on the Koolu site: http://koolu.com/Press-Release/ Koolu is proud to announce availability of Google's Android Platform source code for the Openmoko phone FreeRunner. ... The code will be located in a git repository at git.koolu.org and the instructions and other information will be located in a forum at forum.koolu.org I don't see a post of the Koolu forum yet, but http://git.koolu.org/ looks interesting! Thanks, Koolu! Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Denis Galvão wrote: What about this soft keyboard? http://groups.google.com/group/android-dotphone/ This one requires that programs be modified in order to use it. So it can't be used with Android's built-in programs, unless you first modify their source and rebuild them. Walter's keyboard can be used with any program that supports cut paste, although it's obviously not as convenient as a true soft keyboard. Speaking of programs that support cut paste, has anyone managed to paste in an SSID in the Add a Wi-fi network dialog? Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] Soft keyboard
Yann neveu wrote: Does anybody know if i can make the rootfs rw to allow change system apps? adb remount is supposed to do it, but doesn't seem to work on my device. Instead, it returns remount failed: Unknown error: 0. Besides the suggestion of booting another distro from SD and updating the rootfs, you can also follow the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image to create a new rootfs and then flash the device with it. Not a simple process, I know. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
MokoMakefile make toolchain error
I'm trying to use MokoMafile to build a toolchain (make toolchain), and I'm getting the error below. I can do other operation (e.g. make image) without errors. Thanks in advance for any help! Jim NOTE: package meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0: started NOTE: package meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1: task do_populate_sdk: started ERROR: function do_populate_sdk failed ERROR: log data follows (/media/disk/jim/projects/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-armv4t-sdk-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1/temp/log.do_populate_sdk.12909) | /media/disk/jim/projects/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-armv4t-sdk-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1/temp/run.do_populate_sdk.12909: line 175: package_update_index_ipk: command not found NOTE: Task failed: /media/disk/jim/projects/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-armv4t-sdk-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/meta-toolchain-openmoko-1.0-r1/temp/log.do_populate_sdk.12909 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RFC: split away 'open sourced' Android in a new mailing list (was: Re: Android open sourced)
Marcel wrote: At least it's not as open as it could be. (Of course this is Google's software and their decision, but I don't think Android is as open as in free software.) By what definition of free software does Android not qualify? Another suggestion: treat Android like every other distro - prefix threads with [android] and we can filter ourselves. Agree. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need help to run java apps on openmoko
Peter Neubauer wrote: Mmh, it seems your jvm is not finding the Java base classes. Do you ave Classpath installed? You could try to explicitly point out the classes.zip file of your JRE using cacao -cp PATH/TO/classes.zip .jar myJar.jar HTH, probably others on this list know more ... I agree with Peter, your problem sounds CLASSPATH related. I had pretty good luck using Jalimo [1] to package Java apps for my Freerunner. I was able to run a SWT GUI app, although it was very slow. Jim [1] - https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Peter Neubauer wrote: Thanks for the fast reply, will keep an eye on that! Some more links: Ben Leslie's blog: http://benno.id.au/blog/ Google's android-porting mailing list: http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Didier Raboud wrote: Hey... it says open-source (you can read the code) not free software (you can do whatever you want)... It appears to be Open Source in the sense that it uses OSI-approved licenses, Apache 2.0 for most code, GPL for kernel patches. Note that both of those licenses are also considered to be free software licenses by FSF (see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses). Do you have some other definition of free software in mind? http://code.google.com/android/terms.html tells : quote from SDK license agreement snipped and others, and others and others... restrictions... Note that those are the terms for the SDK download, not for download or use of the source. And for the code itself... http://source.android.com/license/individual-contributor-license---android-open-source-project You have to grant your copyright to Google... That's only if you want to contribute code back to the project. In that case you have to assign your copyright. Many free/open source projects require a similar grant, including Apache and Gnu/FSF (see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-assign.html). I don't want to work non-paid for Google. But please do ! ;) That of course is your choice. But you are free to work on Android without assigning copyright to Google. Just fork a new Didier-Android project--the licenses let you do that. To me, the key issue is whether Google has in fact open-sourced everything needed to make a working Android distribution for a non-supported platform. I'm not qualified to judge, but I'll be waiting to hear from the experts. The good news is that so far, Google appears to be keeping their promise to open-source Android. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Tarandeep Gill wrote: What my belief is that the Linux license means that anyone who obtains a copy of the Linux Kernel in binary form, irrespective of how they obtained that copy, has a right to the source code used to build that exact Linux kernel binary. Derivative works of the Linux kernel also fall into this category. This right can not be restricted or withheld in any way. That is the reason why Google HAD to release the source code with the release of G1. :) If they were thinking about the open source community, they would have released it a lot earlier :) They've had a public kernel git repository with their changes since at least last November: http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20071108.075502.4ff93ee7.html Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android open sourced
Jim Morris wrote: I suspect there will be kernel work required, I'm more comfortable with Java so will work on that end, any volunteers to work on the kernel part of Android? I believe there was a working kernel port last year: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 The problem was that the rest of the stack was not open source and the available binaries were for ARMV5, rather than ARMV4. Assuming that Google has released the necessary source, that roadblock would no longer exist. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Michael Shiloh wrote: Surfers, fisherpeople, and I'm sure others care about the tides. Turns out there are websites and applications that provide this data. For a nice review: http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003037.php Something like this would seem to be ideal for Openmoko, especially with GPS. I've used Tide Tool, a nice GPL Palm App mentioned in the review. It's based on XTide which is available in Debian. It runs on my Freerunner, although the UI uses multiple windows in a way that doesn't work well on the small display. That might be a good place to start. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Invicta Wireless?
Has anyone heard of/bought from these guys? http://invicta.myshopify.com/products/neo-freerunner I found them on Google Shopping. Their live chat said they didn't have the Freerunner in stock, but they expected it in about two weeks. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android
arne anka wrote: sure? i expected the embeddedubuntu people to embrace the freerunner as first really available device -- but they still do their stuff for armv5 There seems to be a lot of interest in running Android on other platforms (see the android-internals group[1] and this post[2]), although that's limited right now by the unavailability of much of the needed source. Assuming Google follows through on open sourcing everything--which may be a big if--I expect a group to form around porting Android to Freerunner pretty quickly. Jim 1 - http://groups.google.com/group/android-internals 2 - http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android
Martin Vyšný wrote: We have two options: either wait for Dalvik to be open-sourced and recompiled on ARM4, or wait for android.jar to be open-sourced and modified to run on top of Cocoa+SWT. Either way, we just have to wait :) Correct! My guess is that once Google releases the source, Freerunner will be among the first non-partner platforms that Android runs on. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
