Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] clean /usr/share/icons
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:22:48 +, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: /usr/share/icons at this time is a total mess ! Indeed, at the same time you have : - kde icons themes - gnome icons themes - XFree cursors In case you didn't knew, GNOME and KDE are now starting to use a common specification to share icons (http://www.freedesktop.org/Standards/icon-theme-spec). But since everything is not done yet, there are problems. And doing symlinks will not help the situation. I think you should read the spec and fill bugs on bugs.kde.org and bugzilla.gnome.org where you find problems for both environments. -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] clean /usr/share/icons
Le lun 17/11/2003 à 09:18, Frederic Crozat a écrit : On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:22:48 +, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: /usr/share/icons at this time is a total mess ! Indeed, at the same time you have : - kde icons themes - gnome icons themes - XFree cursors In case you didn't knew, GNOME and KDE are now starting to use a common specification to share icons (http://www.freedesktop.org/Standards/icon-theme-spec). But since everything is not done yet, there are problems. And doing symlinks will not help the situation. I think you should read the spec and fill bugs on bugs.kde.org and bugzilla.gnome.org where you find problems for both environments. !!! I'm sure that there are at least 20 icons in one size with the wrong name. Ok i will do it, but for a folder/directory, what's the right name ? folder.png ( KDE ) ? directory.png ? gnome-fs-directory.png ( Gnome ) ? I read the spec, they talk about the index.theme ( ok, it's present ), but they don't give a list of standard icons name ( name for folder, home directory, nfs/smb directory, floppy device, HD device, DVD device, ... ) at least for filesystem and devices. We should have standard names and freedesktop.org should give the list of theses standard names : so a theme could be use without modification between both desktop and supplementary icons ( desktop specific ) could be safely ignored by a DE. So If I don't know the right name that an icon should have, how can i konw that this is kde or gnome bug ? and how icon designer could know wich name to give to their icons ?
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] clean /usr/share/icons
On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 12:27, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le lun 17/11/2003 à 09:18, Frederic Crozat a écrit : On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:22:48 +, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: /usr/share/icons at this time is a total mess ! Indeed, at the same time you have : - kde icons themes - gnome icons themes - XFree cursors In case you didn't knew, GNOME and KDE are now starting to use a common specification to share icons (http://www.freedesktop.org/Standards/icon-theme-spec). But since everything is not done yet, there are problems. And doing symlinks will not help the situation. I think you should read the spec and fill bugs on bugs.kde.org and bugzilla.gnome.org where you find problems for both environments. !!! I'm sure that there are at least 20 icons in one size with the wrong name. Ok i will do it, but for a folder/directory, what's the right name ? folder.png ( KDE ) ? directory.png ? gnome-fs-directory.png ( Gnome ) ? I read the spec, they talk about the index.theme ( ok, it's present ), but they don't give a list of standard icons name ( name for folder, home directory, nfs/smb directory, floppy device, HD device, DVD device, ... ) at least for filesystem and devices. We should have standard names and freedesktop.org should give the list of theses standard names : so a theme could be use without modification between both desktop and supplementary icons ( desktop specific ) could be safely ignored by a DE. So If I don't know the right name that an icon should have, how can i konw that this is kde or gnome bug ? and how icon designer could know wich name to give to their icons ? I tried to come up with a standard for at least some common icon names when making the standard. Unfortunately I failed (a lot of people didn't seem to understand the need for such a thing), so now everything is fucked up. I don't expect fixing this will be easy by now, since these names are used in stable releases of both kde and gnome. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander LarssonRed Hat, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] He's a suicidal devious werewolf on the wrong side of the law. She's a cynical junkie archaeologist on her way to prison for a murder she didn't commit. They fight crime!
[Cooker] [PROPOSAL] clean /usr/share/icons
/usr/share/icons at this time is a total mess ! Indeed, at the same time you have : - kde icons themes - gnome icons themes - XFree cursors So for example in kcontrol you will see as available icons themes the gnome one ( but as they don't have the right filename, you will end up with a unusable/unusefull/awfull desktop with most icon mark as blank ones ), and also the Xfree cursors. The same applies for gnome when tying to select a different icon in gnome theme So IMHO : 1°/ at least XFree cursors should be moved for example to /usr/X11R6/share/icons and XFree should be patched to use this new location. 2°/ if we should be able to use some gnome theme from kde and vice versa then we should have some symlinks that match the correct names for kde ... don't know but this should be fixed. For example in /usr/share/icons/gnome/36x36/filesystems/, the directory icon is gnome-fs-directory.png whereas kde expect folder.png in 32x32 So we have a name problem ( gnome-fs-directory.png vs folder.png ) and also size problem ( 36x36 doesn't exist on kde ). So maybe kde and gnome icons location should be separated ... --- bon ya pas quelqu'un qui kickass en atm avec 2.2.2 ? - #linuxfr
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] clean /usr/share/icons
El sb, 15-11-2003 a las 18:22, FACORAT Fabrice escribi: /usr/share/icons at this time is a total mess ! Indeed, at the same time you have : - kde icons themes - gnome icons themes - XFree cursors So for example in kcontrol you will see as available icons themes the gnome one ( but as they don't have the right filename, you will end up with a unusable/unusefull/awfull desktop with most icon mark as blank ones ), and also the Xfree cursors. The same applies for gnome when tying to select a different icon in gnome theme So IMHO : 1/ at least XFree cursors should be moved for example to /usr/X11R6/share/icons and XFree should be patched to use this new location. 2/ if we should be able to use some gnome theme from kde and vice versa then we should have some symlinks that match the correct names for kde ... don't know but this should be fixed. For example in /usr/share/icons/gnome/36x36/filesystems/, the directory icon is gnome-fs-directory.png whereas kde expect folder.png in 32x32 So we have a name problem ( gnome-fs-directory.png vs folder.png ) and also size problem ( 36x36 doesn't exist on kde ). So maybe kde and gnome icons location should be separated ... --- bon ya pas quelqu'un qui kickass en atm avec 2.2.2 ? - #linuxfr I second that. -- M. Ignacio Monge Garca [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] clean /usr/share/icons
I third the clean /usr/share/icons idea and suggest that a general document and repair job be done on the whole filesystem ie between the WM and Xcore where is what found.
