Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Jens Schüßler]

* Thorsten Glaser  wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2024, Jens Schüßler wrote:
> 
> >> the normal bpo policy.
> >
> >Which was also not announced on debian-backports-announce. The last
> 
> That policy is ages old and basically says once oldstable gets one
> year old, backports close, so it technically doesn’t need announcing…

Technically yes, but there is this human side. JFTR, I know about this
dates and announcements, cause I read devel-announce and devel lists,
but not every normal user does that.
I just read the same messages by astonished users on user lists every
time an oldoldstable release moves to archive.debian.org. Some people
are lazy.  Though I don't know and doubt if such users read
debian-backports-announce, it just can't hurt to have such a notice on
this list as well.

bye
Jens

Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Alexander Wirt]

Am Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:32:15AM +0200 schrieb Matus UHLAR - fantomas:
> > On Tue, 16 Apr 2024, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > > I would expect this to be posted to debian-backports-announce as well.
> 
> On 16.04.24 17:58, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> > But buster-backports has been desupported since 2022-08-14 already
> > (from /usr/share/distro-info/debian.csv, actual date may vary), by
> > the normal bpo policy.
> 
> FYI
> 
> roundcube was updated in buster-backports on 2023/12/04 and lemonldap-ng on
> 2024/01/17 and 2024/02/11
> 
> so, while desupported, new packages did enter.
> (and I'm thankful to maintainers for that).
Yes, we did not disable it and I just approved those. However you can't rely on 
it. It may happen (and probably will, I added a bunch of reminders now) that 
this will happen a lot sooner next time. 

Alex

Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

I would expect this to be posted to debian-backports-announce as well.


On 16.04.24 17:58, Thorsten Glaser wrote:

But buster-backports has been desupported since 2022-08-14 already
(from /usr/share/distro-info/debian.csv, actual date may vary), by
the normal bpo policy.


FYI

roundcube was updated in buster-backports on 2023/12/04 and 
lemonldap-ng on 2024/01/17 and 2024/02/11


so, while desupported, new packages did enter.
(and I'm thankful to maintainers for that).


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Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Thorsten Glaser]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024, Jens Schüßler wrote:

>> the normal bpo policy.
>
>Which was also not announced on debian-backports-announce. The last

That policy is ages old and basically says once oldstable gets one
year old, backports close, so it technically doesn’t need announcing…

>I mean it couldn't be that hard to put such a post ther every two yeras
>when it happens.

… but, yes, that would be nice to give people a heads-up ahead of time.

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Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Alexander Wirt]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 06:50:31PM +0200, Jens Schüßler wrote:
> * Thorsten Glaser  wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Apr 2024, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > 
> > > I would expect this to be posted to debian-backports-announce as well.
> > 
> > But buster-backports has been desupported since 2022-08-14 already
> > (from /usr/share/distro-info/debian.csv, actual date may vary), by
> > the normal bpo policy.
> 
> Which was also not announced on debian-backports-announce. The last
> entry there is from 2021…
> I mean it couldn't be that hard to put such a post ther every two yeras
> when it happens.

You are right, I fucked this up when creating the new suites and updating the 
website. My bad.
Anyhow I do not plan to announce archive removals from long unsupported suites.

Alex


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Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Alexander Wirt]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:09:21AM -0400, Boyuan Yang wrote:
> On Tue, 2024-04-16 at 07:57 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Varghese Paul  (2024-04-15):
> > > I am encountering an issue with the Buster-backports repository. It
> > > seems
> > > that the repository does not have a Release file, which is preventing
> > > package management tools from retrieving updates or installing new
> > > packages
> > > from this source.
> > 
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/03/msg3.html
> > http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/buster-backports/
> 
> Reading https://backports.debian.org/ , it looks confusing about what
> Debian backports versions are supported. Furthermore,
> https://backports.debian.org/Packages/ contains outdated links that
> points to buster-backports, which further confuses people. Can I expect
> the homepage and the Packages page to be updated soon? I see that
> https://salsa.debian.org/backports-team/backports-website seems not
> actively maintained.
> 
> (adding formorer into the CC list.)
jftr, the website had been updated to reflect the discontinuation of 
buster-backports. Just the
packages link has been forgotten. 

And from my perspective https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ has a lot of 
explanations about
the support status. If you think something is unclear, please send a patch.

I fixed this now.

Alex


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Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Jens Schüßler]

* Thorsten Glaser  wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2024, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> 
> > I would expect this to be posted to debian-backports-announce as well.
> 
> But buster-backports has been desupported since 2022-08-14 already
> (from /usr/share/distro-info/debian.csv, actual date may vary), by
> the normal bpo policy.

Which was also not announced on debian-backports-announce. The last
entry there is from 2021…
I mean it couldn't be that hard to put such a post ther every two yeras
when it happens.

Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Varghese Paul]

Thanks Cyril!

Regards

Varghese Paul

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 10:58 PM Cyril Brulebois  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Varghese Paul  (2024-04-15):
> > I am encountering an issue with the Buster-backports repository. It seems
> > that the repository does not have a Release file, which is preventing
> > package management tools from retrieving updates or installing new
> packages
> > from this source.
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/03/msg3.html
> http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/buster-backports/
>
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org)
> D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant
>

Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Thorsten Glaser]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

> I would expect this to be posted to debian-backports-announce as well.

But buster-backports has been desupported since 2022-08-14 already
(from /usr/share/distro-info/debian.csv, actual date may vary), by
the normal bpo policy.

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Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

Varghese Paul  (2024-04-15):

I am encountering an issue with the Buster-backports repository. It seems
that the repository does not have a Release file, which is preventing
package management tools from retrieving updates or installing new packages
from this source.


On 16.04.24 07:57, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/03/msg3.html
http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/buster-backports/


On 16.04.24 08:45, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

Thanks for info, I just encountered this problem too.

I would expect this to be posted to debian-backports-announce as well.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports-announce/


Or, because this will affects buster (which is currently in LTS stage)
immediately after packages are removed from main archive, 
perhaps even debian-lts-announce.


I'm Cc:ing this to debian-lts if people are interested in such announce

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Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Holger Levsen]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 02:09:21AM -0400, Boyuan Yang wrote:
> [...] Can I expect
> the homepage and the Packages page to be updated soon? 

sooner if you provide patches.


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Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Matus UHLAR - fantomas]

Varghese Paul  (2024-04-15):

I am encountering an issue with the Buster-backports repository. It seems
that the repository does not have a Release file, which is preventing
package management tools from retrieving updates or installing new packages
from this source.


On 16.04.24 07:57, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/03/msg3.html
http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/buster-backports/


Thanks for info, I just encountered this problem too.

I would expect this to be posted to debian-backports-announce as well.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-backports-announce/


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Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Boyuan Yang]

On Tue, 2024-04-16 at 07:57 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Varghese Paul  (2024-04-15):
> > I am encountering an issue with the Buster-backports repository. It
> > seems
> > that the repository does not have a Release file, which is preventing
> > package management tools from retrieving updates or installing new
> > packages
> > from this source.
> 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/03/msg3.html
> http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/buster-backports/

Reading https://backports.debian.org/ , it looks confusing about what
Debian backports versions are supported. Furthermore,
https://backports.debian.org/Packages/ contains outdated links that
points to buster-backports, which further confuses people. Can I expect
the homepage and the Packages page to be updated soon? I see that
https://salsa.debian.org/backports-team/backports-website seems not
actively maintained.

(adding formorer into the CC list.)

Thanks,
Boyuan Yang


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Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Grzegorz Szymaszek]

Hi,

The repository was moved to archive.debian.org. Use something like this
in your sources.list:

deb http://archive.debian.org/debian buster-backports main

See also: https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive


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Re: debina-backports missing packages

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

Varghese Paul  (2024-04-15):
> I am encountering an issue with the Buster-backports repository. It seems
> that the repository does not have a Release file, which is preventing
> package management tools from retrieving updates or installing new packages
> from this source.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/03/msg3.html
http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/buster-backports/


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debina-backports missing packages

[Varghese Paul]

Hi All,

I am encountering an issue with the Buster-backports repository. It seems
that the repository does not have a Release file, which is preventing
package management tools from retrieving updates or installing new packages
from this source.

Problem Description:

When attempting to update the package list, I receive a 404 Not Found error
for the Buster-backports repository. Here is the error message I
encountered:


Err:5 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports Release404 Not
Found [IP: 146.75.94.132 80]Reading package lists... DoneE: The
repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports Release'
does not have a Release file.

Steps to Reproduce:

   1. Add the buster-backports repository to the /etc/apt/sources.list:

   deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main

   2. Run sudo apt update.
   3. Observe the error regarding the missing Release file.

Expected Result: The package list updates successfully, and the Release
file is found without issues.

Actual Result: The update process fails due to a missing Release file,
resulting in a 404 error.

Thank you for your assistance and for all the work you do for Debian.

Regards

Varghese Paul