Bug#769866: ITP: argparse4j -- a command-line argument parser for Java based on Python's argparse module

2014-11-17 Thread Tim Potter
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Tim Potter t...@hp.com

* Package name: argparse4j
  Version : 0.4.4
  Upstream Author : Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa tatsuhir...@gmail.com
* URL : http://argparse4j.sourceforge.net
* License : MIT
  Programming Lang: Java
  Description : a command-line argument parser for Java based on Python's 
argparse module

Argparse4j is a command line argument parser library for Java based on Python's 
argparse module.  Here is a summary of features:

 * Supported positional, optional and variable number of arguments.

 * Generates well formatted line-wrapped help message.

 * Suggests optional arguments/sub-command if unrecognized 
arguments/sub-command were given.

 * Takes into account East Asian Width ambiguous characters when line-wrap.

 * And many others.


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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 17, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:

  This is what many still (retorically) wonder about: we the systemd 
  maintainers did not reject that change,
   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=15;bug=746578
Please try to be less selective in your quoting: the issue was still 
being discussed.


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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Bjørn Mork
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:

 On Nov 17, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:

  This is what many still (retorically) wonder about: we the systemd 
  maintainers did not reject that change,
   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=15;bug=746578
 Please try to be less selective in your quoting: the issue was still 
 being discussed.

I see.  So any systemd bug with a 'wontfix' tag is still considered open
for discussion?  That's good to know.  Thanks.


Bjørn


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Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Ron wrote:
  Anything that doesn't store the full debian version (be it a git tag or a
  filename) will have a colision risk.  Consider a package that has versions
  1:2.3.5-1 and 5:2.3.5-1.
 
 Right, that was one of the first cases I mentioned.  When you upload
 5:2.3.5-1, dak will reject it exactly because they will collide. :)

Yes, you're right.  Our archive is braindead re. epochs since basically day
one, and blocking colisions in dak was deemeed the lesser evil when compared
to the fallout of fixing the archive filenames.

 fwiw, I don't consider that a compelling reason alone to not include
 the epoch in tags - but you appear to have just confirmed that not
 many people know this, even when it's explicitly mentioned in a
 thread they just replied to!  So I think *that* is probably worthy
 of a mention if we do recommend including the epoch in tags :)

Ah, sorry about that...

   If the answer is instead something like I want automated tools to be
   able to assume they can perfectly reverse the mangling and assume some
   semantic meaning to the text in the tag, then we're into Broken By
   Design territory and we really need to look more closely at *exactly*
  
  Well, we can have a perfect, reversible transformation between the debian
  version namespace and the debian git-tag version namespace, where debian
  means a vendor that uses dpkg and the deb format.
 
 No.  I don't believe you can.
 
 Mangle this version in a way that's legal to git: 0:1.2:3..4-1~~2..3.lock

True. Getting git to accept .. and a .lock suffix in a tag.. urk.

Point taken.  Yeah, that'd call for %-encoding or something equivalent, and
those always require also the definition of a canonical form.

 Yes, it's a corner case you've probably never seen, but the troublesome
 parts of that are all legal debian versions.

Yes, just like 1:1.2.3-4 versus 5:1.2.3-4, that dak rejects because the
Debian archive doesn't preserve epochs in its storage layer (filenames).

One interesting detail is that at least apt _DOES_ restore the epoch
information in the deb filenames (it uses URL-like %-encoding, though, so
: becomes %3a).

I'd say we should get the epoch-in-tags detail documented in DEP-14.

And the archive restriction re. epochs really should have been documented in
debian policy.  It is not even in the developer's reference... but this is
offtopic for this thread.

   Henrique, would you care to elaborate on your definition of safer?
  
  Sure.  I consider safer a design that loses no information when translating
  between the debian version namespace and debian version git-tag namespace,
  because you won't have permanent colisions among debian versions that differ
  only on the epoch.
 
 Ok, I can agree with that definition, but as I showed above, this
 plan doesn't satisfy it.  You'd need to fully URL encode them or
 similar to have that, and I don't think we should do that.

I agree that a full encoding that requires canonical forms is way too
painful, and that we should not go there.

 You can still semi-meaningfully encode the epoch in a way that
 is a clue to humans, but you *can't* guarantee the version is
 reversible from the necessary mangling.

If we mangle by removing whatever git objects to, yes, it won't be
reversible, at which point we might as well not bother with epochs.

I'd still allow epochs as optional, but that would cause a headache when you
have something like 1:1:4-1 for a debian version... best to recommend that
they be removed when tagging, instead.

So I retract any objections I had against epoch-less tagging.  But I feel
DEP-14 should document this stuff.

 Are there actually already existing tools that rely on reversing this?

I sure hope there aren't any.

 If there aren't we certainly shouldn't be encouraging creating new ones
 with this flaw in the future.

I agree.

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Anthony Towns wrote:
 Having a single tool that does the basic stuff admins and maintainers need
 independent of init system seems like the right approach to me. *-rc.d
 is a terrible name for such a tool, though :(

Err, yes.  There were complains about the -rc.d prefix way back in Debconf2,
but the truth is the ship had sailed already (due to update-rc.d).

Migrating to a new tool with a less obnoxious name isn't a problem, but this
needs to be planned carefully as it is going to span at least two stable
releases.  And invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d compatibility interfaces will
have to be kept around for a *long* time, probably for at least two more
stable releases, to avoid breaking things for third-party packages that
don't use the LSB compatibility layer.

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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi,

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:
 On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Anthony Towns wrote:
  Having a single tool that does the basic stuff admins and maintainers need
  independent of init system seems like the right approach to me. *-rc.d
  is a terrible name for such a tool, though :(
 
 Err, yes.  There were complains about the -rc.d prefix way back in Debconf2,
 but the truth is the ship had sailed already (due to update-rc.d).
 
The (author of the) document might want to mention that yes, this name is
stupid – and no, we can't easily change it.

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Re: Bug#769851: ITP: puppetlabs-spec-helper -- Ruby library for puppet module testing

2014-11-17 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Jordan Metzmeier jmetzmeie...@gmail.com writes:

 * Package name: puppetlabs-spec-helper

This is already packaged as
https://packages.debian.org/sid/ruby-puppetlabs-spec-helper


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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:02:53AM +0100, Bálint Réczey wrote:
 Dear Josselin,
 
 I have just noticed your blog post on planet.debian.org:
 https://np237.livejournal.com/34598.html
 
 I would like to ask you to resist the temptation of publishing similar posts.
 It makes fun of part of our community which you are well aware of and
 it also shows corpses which probably did not ring a bell in you.

Skeletons are *not* corpses.

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who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:10:58AM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
 On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Anthony Towns wrote:
  Having a single tool that does the basic stuff admins and maintainers need
  independent of init system seems like the right approach to me. *-rc.d
  is a terrible name for such a tool, though :(
 Err, yes.  There were complains about the -rc.d prefix way back in Debconf2,
 but the truth is the ship had sailed already (due to update-rc.d).
 Migrating to a new tool with a less obnoxious name isn't a problem, 

Heh, isn't a problem seems a bit understated...

 but this
 needs to be planned carefully as it is going to span at least two stable
 releases.  And invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d compatibility interfaces will
 have to be kept around for a *long* time, probably for at least two more
 stable releases, to avoid breaking things for third-party packages that
 don't use the LSB compatibility layer.

If deb-systemd-* were to get merged in, it might be worth doing a name
change at the same time, I guess. Changing either before jessie doesn't
seem remotely plausible.

I wonder if it would make sense to just merge it all into the service
command; ie:

   # service --use-policy ssh start
   # service --use-policy ssh restart
   # service ssh enable
   # service acpid.socket mask-for-upgrade

in place of:

   # invoke-rc.d ssh start
   # invoke-rc.d ssh restart
   # update-rc.d ssh enable
   # deb-systemd-helper mask acpid.socket

I wonder a bit if it wouldn't make even more sense to just make the common
command be systemctl, with Debian-specific patches for --use-policy
and the various extra behaviours where necessary. Maybe just having a
systemctl script with mostly compatible syntax provided for alternative
inits would be a better approach. (The disadvantage to that would be
that systemctl's a C program, so patching Debian specific options would
be harder than with sh/perl scripts like service/deb-systemd-*/*-rc.d)

Cheers,
aj


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Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-17 Thread Michal Suchanek
Package: general
Severity: important

Dear Debian Maintainers,

I tried the alternative init systems (namely upstart and systemd) and
while I think there is some potential in these systems I don't think
they are ready for Jessie.

As basic system component the init system needs to be very realiable
which cannot be guaranteed for a piece of software that is introduced
and installed by default as core system component in the same release
cycle. There was some possibility to install alternative init system in
wheezy but as the support for switching between the various systems was
not in place it was not very practical and the packaging tools
discouraged such use.

I tried to install an alternative init system on like half a dozen of
systems and I am disappointed. I stumbled upon two serious problems with
these new systems.

1) the problem with new feature in systemd which considers all
filesystems in fstab vital for system boot and stops boot if they fail.
It's been decided that although it is a change in behaviour that might
render some systems unbootable it's technically correct implementation
and only enforces that non-vital filesystems are marked as such in fstab
which should have been the case from the start.

2) other problem is 'mystery meat init' - you see some initial
bootloader or kernel messages and when init starts .. nothing.
When init decides a filesystem needs to be checked or that it has to
stop due to error .. nothing. To be a reasonable sysvinit replacement
systemd and upstart must output messages to consoles(s) to which
sysvinit did output messages, even on systems with multiple consoles
(eg. serial, vga, kms). Note that this is on systems where sysvinit does
give messages on the console so if the system was upgraded to systemd as
part of release upgrade it would lose console as the result or upgrading
to new release.

I am wondering what other subtle bugs are lurking in these new init
systems. I am not completely against switching to a new init system but
imho that should be done only once that init system was avaialble for at
least one release as routinely installable and uninstallable package.
Otherwise the core system component cannot possibly have been tested for
suitability in general and for good integration into Debian in
particular.

Thanks

Michal


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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:05:13AM +0100, Bj??rn Mork wrote:
 m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
  On Nov 17, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
   This is what many still (retorically) wonder about: we the systemd 
   maintainers did not reject that change,
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=15;bug=746578
  Please try to be less selective in your quoting: the issue was still 
  being discussed.
 I see.  So any systemd bug with a 'wontfix' tag is still considered open
 for discussion?  That's good to know.  Thanks.

Isn't any (open) bug tagged wontfix still open for discussion? If you've
got new information, or a new approach that the maintainer might prefer,
you can post it to the bug and discuss it with the maintainer...

(That said, I didn't see any discussion in that bug from people listed
in the systemd Uploaders line other than Michael Biebl's complaint about
a systemd-shim bug two months after the wontfix tag was added. That
doesn't *look* like it was still being discussed to me. Maybe that
just means someone summarising irc/list discussions to the bug would
have been helpful)

Cheers,
aj


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Bug#769907: marked as done (general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail)

2014-11-17 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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fail
has caused the Debian Bug report #769907,
regarding general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail
to be marked as done.

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If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the
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Package: general
Severity: important

Dear Debian Maintainers,

I tried the alternative init systems (namely upstart and systemd) and
while I think there is some potential in these systems I don't think
they are ready for Jessie.

As basic system component the init system needs to be very realiable
which cannot be guaranteed for a piece of software that is introduced
and installed by default as core system component in the same release
cycle. There was some possibility to install alternative init system in
wheezy but as the support for switching between the various systems was
not in place it was not very practical and the packaging tools
discouraged such use.

I tried to install an alternative init system on like half a dozen of
systems and I am disappointed. I stumbled upon two serious problems with
these new systems.

1) the problem with new feature in systemd which considers all
filesystems in fstab vital for system boot and stops boot if they fail.
It's been decided that although it is a change in behaviour that might
render some systems unbootable it's technically correct implementation
and only enforces that non-vital filesystems are marked as such in fstab
which should have been the case from the start.

2) other problem is 'mystery meat init' - you see some initial
bootloader or kernel messages and when init starts .. nothing.
When init decides a filesystem needs to be checked or that it has to
stop due to error .. nothing. To be a reasonable sysvinit replacement
systemd and upstart must output messages to consoles(s) to which
sysvinit did output messages, even on systems with multiple consoles
(eg. serial, vga, kms). Note that this is on systems where sysvinit does
give messages on the console so if the system was upgraded to systemd as
part of release upgrade it would lose console as the result or upgrading
to new release.

I am wondering what other subtle bugs are lurking in these new init
systems. I am not completely against switching to a new init system but
imho that should be done only once that init system was avaialble for at
least one release as routinely installable and uninstallable package.
Otherwise the core system component cannot possibly have been tested for
suitability in general and for good integration into Debian in
particular.

Thanks

Michal


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---BeginMessage---
Hi,

On Montag, 17. November 2014, Michal Suchanek wrote:
 Package: general

I'm sorry but this is not a general bug in Debian. Also your description of 
these two serious problems lack any specific problems you encountered, for a 
start you failed to say whether you encountered these problem with systemd or 
upstart.

Thus closing.


cheers,
Holger


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Bug#769910: ITP: fnordmetric -- write SQL queries that return SVG charts rather than tables

2014-11-17 Thread Sebastien Delafond
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Sebastien Delafond s...@debian.org

* Package name: fnordmetric
  Version : 1.0~alpha
  Upstream Author : Paul Asmuth
* URL : http://fnordmetric.io/
* License : GPL3
  Programming Lang: C++
  Description : write SQL queries that return SVG charts rather than tables

FnordMetric has two components:
.
FnordMetric ChartSQL allows you to write SQL queries that return charts
instead of tables. The charts are rendered as SVG vector graphics and
can easily be embedded into any website and customized with css in order
to build beautiful dashboards. You can execute ChartSQL queries from the
command line against a number of external sources like CSV files or a
MySQL database
.
Fnordmetric Server is a standalone HTTP server application. It exposes a
web UI and a HTTP API to run ChartSQL queries and collect timeseries
data. You can use fnordmetric-server as a one-stop solution for metric
collection and charting. Since fnordmetric-server aims to be a
StatsD+graphite competitor, it implements a wire compatible StatsD API.
FnordMetric Server can store the collected timeseries data on local disk
or in external storage (HBase)


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Re: Bug#769851: ITP: puppetlabs-spec-helper -- Ruby library for puppet module testing

2014-11-17 Thread Jordan Metzmeier
close 769851
thanks

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Stig Sandbeck Mathisen s...@debian.org wrote:
 Jordan Metzmeier jmetzmeie...@gmail.com writes:

 * Package name: puppetlabs-spec-helper

 This is already packaged as
 https://packages.debian.org/sid/ruby-puppetlabs-spec-helper

Thanks. I probably only searched stable by mistake when checking to
see if it was already packaged.


Regards,
Jordan Metzmeier


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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes:

 I see.  So any systemd bug with a 'wontfix' tag is still considered open
 for discussion?

I can't speak to the maintenance practices of systemd maintainers, but if
the bug isn't open to discussion, I close it.  I think that's fairly
common across Debian.  If it's tagged wontfix but still open, that
generally means one of two things: either it's still open for discussion,
but the maintainers are indicating their current thinking on it, or it's
a commonly-reported false positive (from the maintainer's perspective) and
they're leaving it open so that people will see it in the bug list and see
that someone else already reported it.

In this particular case, it's going to be hard for someone who isn't
following the discussion closely to know which meaning was intended, so
probably better to read the thread or ask, rather than making an
assumption one way or the other.

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Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging 
repositories):
 I agree that the expected contents of the branches are far more
 important than their names. Unfortunately, while acting as the Debian
 expert for Debian derivatives at $day_job, I keep finding that the
 answer to OK, I've cloned a package's git repository, I know what code
 change I want, now do I change the upstream source or drop a patch into
 debian/patches or what? is ... I can't actually answer that until you
 tell me which source package you're working on.

This is indeed a very big problem.  It is why I am working on dgit.

I don't think this problem, of a mass of different branch structures,
is going to go away any time soon.  Simply because people don't seem
able to agree.

My answer is to create a parallel universe in which the branch
structure is known.  The maintainers of each package choose whether to
use the dgit `universe', in which case certain basic assumptions can
be relied on, or run their own `universe' in which case they can
structure it however they like.

Luckily git makes it fairly easy to transport changes from one
universe into another.

Ian.


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Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging 
repositories):
 gbp-pq and git-dpm are the other way round: the tree can be built with
 dpkg-buildpackage, but the cost is that you have to commit in a way that
 isn't the normal git thing (either using a specific tool, or for the
 gbp-pq layout, dropping in pre-prepared patches and hoping they don't
 have conflicts, in the same way you might for svn-buildpackage).

dgit is capable of tacking a git tree that came from dpkg-source, and
which you have committed to in the normal way (eg as part of an NMU),
and turning it into one that dpkg-source can represent.

The latest version I have (unreleased, sadly, as there are a few more
things that needs finishing off) is capable of converting the git
commits individually into quilt patches, provided the extra history
you have added is `linear enough'.

Ian.


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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Anthony Towns wrote:
 If deb-systemd-* were to get merged in, it might be worth doing a name
 change at the same time, I guess. Changing either before jessie doesn't
 seem remotely plausible.
 
 I wonder if it would make sense to just merge it all into the service
 command; ie:
 
# service --use-policy ssh start
# service --use-policy ssh restart
# service ssh enable
# service acpid.socket mask-for-upgrade

service is an user interface, while deb-systemd-*, invoke-rc.d, and
update-rc.d are first and foremost to be used by a package's maintainer
scripts (postinst, etc).  They have different design goals.

IMHO it is best that we keep system interfaces separate from user interfaces
like service, although I certainly have nothing against extending
service with more user functionality.  Just have service call into the
system interfaces when required if you extend it.

 in place of:
 
# invoke-rc.d ssh start
# invoke-rc.d ssh restart
# update-rc.d ssh enable
# deb-systemd-helper mask acpid.socket
 
 I wonder a bit if it wouldn't make even more sense to just make the common
 command be systemctl, with Debian-specific patches for --use-policy

I'd advise against that.  We really should have Debian be the upstream of
the interface layer used by maintainer scripts of deb packages.

This is also part of the reason I don't like the idea of folding this stuff
into service.  service is somewhat compatible across distros, you don't
mess with that lightly.

 and the various extra behaviours where necessary. Maybe just having a
 systemctl script with mostly compatible syntax provided for alternative
 inits would be a better approach. (The disadvantage to that would be
 that systemctl's a C program, so patching Debian specific options would
 be harder than with sh/perl scripts like service/deb-systemd-*/*-rc.d)

Let's just avoid this whole can of worms, please.

I have no strong feelings about these utilities being implemented in perl,
shell or C, as long as they don't make a mess of the base system or become
fragile during a worst-case dpkg breakage party.

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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014, Ralf Jung wrote:

 I was specifically talking about interfaces (as in, dbus signatures),

Meh… I don’t even have dbus installed at home. (It is, on the work
system, due to… virt-manager and iceweasel(?).)

  So, no need for anything systemd-ish.
 
 Well, even better for you :) . Then you are even less affected by what
 the git commit you referenced announces, than I am.

Right. I just see a direction. After some years, you tend to
recognise certain “hypes” and trends…

bye,
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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:38:04PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
 On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Anthony Towns wrote:
  If deb-systemd-* were to get merged in, it might be worth doing a name
  change at the same time, I guess. Changing either before jessie doesn't
  seem remotely plausible.
  
  I wonder if it would make sense to just merge it all into the service
  command; ie:
  
 # service --use-policy ssh start
 # service --use-policy ssh restart
 # service ssh enable
 # service acpid.socket mask-for-upgrade
 
 service is an user interface, while deb-systemd-*, invoke-rc.d, and
 update-rc.d are first and foremost to be used by a package's maintainer
 scripts (postinst, etc).  They have different design goals.

My understanding is that update-rc.d is the recommended way for admins
to enable/disable services. Is that incorrect? (It's what I've documented
in my proposed init guide/policy)

Obvious alternative idea, provide a maintainer script oriented tool
under a different name:

  service-maintscript ssh start
  service-maintscript ssh enable
  service-maintscript acpid.socket mask-for-upgrade

But if we did that how would we recommend admins enable/disable
services? Just use the native stuff (rm /etc/rc?.d/S*ssh; systemctl
disable ssh)?

 IMHO it is best that we keep system interfaces separate from user interfaces
 like service, 

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. My intuition goes the other way;
that it's better to have a single tool for both uses if that's feasible.
We don't have anything special for doing cron jobs via packages compared
to what admins might do to add a cron job, eg. Maybe that's a bad
intuition though.

BTW, it occured to me that it seems like a wart that update-rc.d doesn't
respect policy-rc.d -- as it stands, policy-rc.d can prevent a service
from (re)starting during install/upgrade, but it'll still start on the
next boot. Is that just something that never got thought of / done,
or does it actually make sense?

Cheers
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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/17/2014 10:36 PM, Anthony Towns wrote:
 I wonder if it would make sense to just merge it all into the service
 command; ie:
 
# service --use-policy ssh start
# service --use-policy ssh restart
# service ssh enable
# service acpid.socket mask-for-upgrade
 
 in place of:
 
# invoke-rc.d ssh start
# invoke-rc.d ssh restart
# update-rc.d ssh enable
# deb-systemd-helper mask acpid.socket

I agree that the service command is the way to go, as it became the
standard everywhere, where invoke-rc.d didn't evolve.

 I wonder a bit if it wouldn't make even more sense to just make the common
 command be systemctl, with Debian-specific patches for --use-policy
 and the various extra behaviours where necessary. Maybe just having a
 systemctl script with mostly compatible syntax provided for alternative
 inits would be a better approach.

I don't think so, because of the existing code base in maintainer's scripts.

 (The disadvantage to that would be
 that systemctl's a C program, so patching Debian specific options would
 be harder than with sh/perl scripts like service/deb-systemd-*/*-rc.d)

And there's that too, yes... Plus we'd have to make it upstreamed too.

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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Anthony Towns writes (Re: Being part of a community and behaving):
 Steve, as long as bugs like [1] are not fixed in systemd-shim, I'm not
 going to make it the first alternative. Installing a half-broken logind
 whould be a disservice to our users.
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746578#27

I'm sorry that the TC decision here has caused the social fallout that
it has.  It's a shame that the init system many of our users are going
to be relying on will be lacking Tollef's excellent contributions.

But:

A criticism seems to be that the TC getting involved, or deciding, was
premature, because the systemd maintainers would have applied this
patch themselves if they had been asked nicely, or something ?

I think that after a refusal from the maintainers, with the bug tagged
wontfix, anyone is entitled to refer the matter to the TC.  It has
often happened that someone has referred a bug to the TC and after
some discussion it turns out that the maintainers were convinced, and
made the proposed change.

Indeed, after the unequivocal messages from the systemd maintainers, I
think badgering them might have been inappropriate.  If you don't like
a decision someone else has made, and it doesn't appear that there is
much more room for discussion, you should either live with the
decision, or escalate it.  We would like to avoid browbeating.

During the discussion of the TC bug no-one from the systemd team
suggested that they might review their decision in the light of the
arguments that were presented in the TC.  And indeed there is no
requirement that a maintainer should do so.

However, I think the TC is entitled to assume, during its
deliberations, that maintainers' previously stated decisions and
opinions continue to stand until the maintainers withdraw or
contradict them.  (I think the TC is also entitled to assume that the
maintainers, once made aware that an issue has been referred to the
TC, will provide any technical input that they feel is necessary.)

As the TC discussions go through the various stages of fact-finding,
to tentative conclusions, to draft resolutions, the maintainers
continue to have the opportunity to see the facts and arguments being
presented in the discussion, and to avoid a formal decision by
providing a satisfactory solutions to the problem at hand.


 The bug referenced as [1] above was #756076 which was set as grave on
 18th September, with a fix developed upstream on the 5th Nov, which was
 then uploaded to Debian on the same day (by Martin Pitt):

This seems to be a different question.  The criticism here would be
that TC decision was technically incorrect, because at the time we
voted (or at least at the time we called for votes) #756076 was still
outstanding and ought to have been a blocker for changing the
dependencies ?

My understanding is that installing systemd-shim and indeed cgmanager
is supposed to be harmless under systemd.  So while swapping the
dependencies would mean that some users who are going to be using
systemd would get cgmanager installed, cgmanager would not (by
default) be started, and those users would therefore not experience
#756076.

Therefore ISTM that #756076 was not a reason not to swap the
dependencies.

Serge Hallyn corroborates that here:
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755977#32
which we discussed here
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746578#239
which was immediately before the TC CFV.


Ian.


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Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-17 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/17/2014 10:41 PM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
 To be a reasonable sysvinit replacement
 systemd and upstart must output messages to consoles(s) to which
 sysvinit did output messages, even on systems with multiple consoles
 (eg. serial, vga, kms).

Not really... Or at least, not until last summer when I uploaded a
patched version of bootlogd to Sid. To this date, sysv-rc can't log to
multiple consoles, unless the release team agrees that I fix Wheezy (see
the release.debian.org corresponding bug: #767202).

Cheers,

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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes:

 BTW, it occured to me that it seems like a wart that update-rc.d doesn't
 respect policy-rc.d -- as it stands, policy-rc.d can prevent a service
 from (re)starting during install/upgrade, but it'll still start on the
 next boot. Is that just something that never got thought of / done, or
 does it actually make sense?

I thought that was intentional behavior, that policy-rc.d changes nothing
except whether the service is actually started at the point at which it
should or shouldn't be started.

Consider, for example, bootstrapping a new system in a local chroot that
will then be deployed as a virtual image.  You want policy-rc.d to prevent
starting any daemons from the chroot while you're installing and
configuring packages, but you still want all the service management links
and policy installed as normal so that, after you turn this into a cloud
image, everything will run properly.

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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz writes:

 Please try to refrain from jokes other will find offending.

That joke is in very poor taste, sir.

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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/17/2014 at 12:12 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:

 Anthony Towns writes (Re: Being part of a community and behaving):

 The bug referenced as [1] above was #756076 which was set as
 grave on 18th September, with a fix developed upstream on the 5th
 Nov, which was then uploaded to Debian on the same day (by Martin
 Pitt):
 
 This seems to be a different question.  The criticism here would be
 that TC decision was technically incorrect, because at the time we
 voted (or at least at the time we called for votes) #756076 was
 still outstanding and ought to have been a blocker for changing the
 dependencies ?
 
 My understanding is that installing systemd-shim and indeed
 cgmanager is supposed to be harmless under systemd.  So while
 swapping the dependencies would mean that some users who are going to
 be using systemd would get cgmanager installed, cgmanager would not
 (by default) be started, and those users would therefore not
 experience #756076.
 
 Therefore ISTM that #756076 was not a reason not to swap the
 dependencies.

My understanding is that the systemd maintainers' objection to swapping
the dependencies was not about what would happen to users who are
running systemd-sysv, but what would happen to users who are *not* -
that they felt that automatically switching people from sysvinit-core to
systemd-sysv was preferable to automatically giving them a
known-partially-broken configuration based on systemd-shim and
cgmanager.

Again, if that's not correct, I'd be interested to be corrected on that
point.

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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Christian Seiler

Am 2014-11-17 18:07, schrieb Anthony Towns:
BTW, it occured to me that it seems like a wart that update-rc.d 
doesn't
respect policy-rc.d -- as it stands, policy-rc.d can prevent a 
service
from (re)starting during install/upgrade, but it'll still start on 
the

next boot. Is that just something that never got thought of / done,
or does it actually make sense?


From a purely user-centric perspective: I would like to keep it that
way. I have a couple of scripts lying around that automatically create
LXC containers: debootstrap, install configuration management system,
use that to change configuration and fetch list of packages to be
installed and then use aptitude to install that list of packages. 
During

the runtime of that script, I drop in a /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d in the
target directory that just contains 'exit 101' (in addition to a
shebang) in order to make sure that during the installation no system
service gets started (this is especially the case under wheezy with
sysvinit, I haven't tested this yet with jessie and systemd).

But once the container is built properly, and I want to boot it, I
actually DO want it to be the case that the services installed in those
containers actually start. For example, if the list of packages for 
that

specific container contains Apache, I want httpd to start once I boot
the container.

So to me, the current behavior of policy-rc.d is _immensely_ useful.

Christian


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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Anthony Towns wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:38:04PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
  On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Anthony Towns wrote:
   If deb-systemd-* were to get merged in, it might be worth doing a name
   change at the same time, I guess. Changing either before jessie doesn't
   seem remotely plausible.
   
   I wonder if it would make sense to just merge it all into the service
   command; ie:
   
  # service --use-policy ssh start
  # service --use-policy ssh restart
  # service ssh enable
  # service acpid.socket mask-for-upgrade
  
  service is an user interface, while deb-systemd-*, invoke-rc.d, and
  update-rc.d are first and foremost to be used by a package's maintainer
  scripts (postinst, etc).  They have different design goals.
 
 My understanding is that update-rc.d is the recommended way for admins
 to enable/disable services. Is that incorrect? (It's what I've documented
 in my proposed init guide/policy)

I don't think anyone ever wrote an initsystem-agnostic user interface for
this, so people have been using update-rc.d.  It caused a lot of problems
before we forced the use of insserv.

But I could easily be wrong about this.

 Obvious alternative idea, provide a maintainer script oriented tool
 under a different name:
 
   service-maintscript ssh start
   service-maintscript ssh enable
   service-maintscript acpid.socket mask-for-upgrade

I have nothing against service-maintscript, although
service-debmaintscript is likely safer since we are not likely to make any
effort to make it usable by SuSE, RedHat, Gentoo, etc.

 But if we did that how would we recommend admins enable/disable
 services? Just use the native stuff (rm /etc/rc?.d/S*ssh; systemctl
 disable ssh)?

Maybe extend service...

BTW, neither rm /etc/rc?.d/S*ssh nor systemctl disable will do the right
thing: both have pitfalls.  No link is an undefined state for sysvinit rc
when a runlevel switch happens (the correct way to disable something is to
have a K link in all normal runlevels), and systemctl disable does not
block socket activation automatically (refer to Debian bug #736258).

  IMHO it is best that we keep system interfaces separate from user interfaces
  like service, 
 
 Yeah, I see where you're coming from. My intuition goes the other way;
 that it's better to have a single tool for both uses if that's feasible.
 We don't have anything special for doing cron jobs via packages compared
 to what admins might do to add a cron job, eg. Maybe that's a bad
 intuition though.

The package maintainer mode interfaces expose a lot of user-unfriendly
details which are easy to misuse *and* which are not going to be changed to
become more userfriendly once in the field, since the package maintainer
mode must NEVER break the backwards-compatibility of the ABI.

 BTW, it occured to me that it seems like a wart that update-rc.d doesn't
 respect policy-rc.d -- as it stands, policy-rc.d can prevent a service
 from (re)starting during install/upgrade, but it'll still start on the
 next boot. Is that just something that never got thought of / done,
 or does it actually make sense?

policy-rc.d is an internal detail of the invoke-rc.d policy layer, which was
designed only with package maintainer scripts starting or stopping services
during install/upgrades/downgrades/removal in mind.  It was not meant to be
used for anything else.

Therefore, policy-rc.d was never designed to set policy when
administratively enabling or disabling services.

We could extend policy-rc.d to be usable also by update-rc.d, but I would
not go there unless there is an important usecase for this that is related
to maintainer script use of update-rc.d.

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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:22:39AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
 Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes:
  BTW, it occured to me that it seems like a wart that update-rc.d doesn't
  respect policy-rc.d -- as it stands, policy-rc.d can prevent a service
  from (re)starting during install/upgrade, but it'll still start on the
  next boot. Is that just something that never got thought of / done, or
  does it actually make sense?
 Consider, for example, bootstrapping a new system in a local chroot that
 will then be deployed as a virtual image.  You want policy-rc.d to prevent
 starting any daemons from the chroot while you're installing and
 configuring packages, but you still want all the service management links
 and policy installed as normal so that, after you turn this into a cloud
 image, everything will run properly.

Thanks, that makes sense.

I was thinking more along the lines of:

 - do the install with policy-rc.d overriding which services are active
 - once you change your policy (once you've finished bootstrapping), you
   change or remove policy-rc.d, and continue on your merry way

But having update-rc.d obey policy-rc.d would stop that from working
right; having /init/ obey policy-rc.d would work fine, but that's just
crazy complicated.

Followup question: does anyone actually use the detailed features of
policy-rc.d or is always used in practice to turn all init scripts off?

Cheers,
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Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 15 novembre 2014 à 16:16 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
 The technical committe was asked in #746578 to override the ordering
 of the alternative dependencies on systemd-sysv and systemd-shim to
 prefer the installation of systemd-shim in cases where sysvinit-core
 was already installed.

This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution was
still under discussion.

I urge the systemd maintainers not to take it into account.

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Re: Bug#769911: RFP: variety -- wallpaper changer

2014-11-17 Thread Andrei POPESCU
Control: reassign -1 wnpp
Control: retitle -1 RFP: variety -- wallpaper changer

On Lu, 17 nov 14, 16:02:30, Nenad Latinović wrote:
 Package: variety
 Version: variety
 Severity: wishlist
 
 Dear Maintainer,
 
 If it's possible, I'd like to suggest packaging this wallpaper changer for 
 Debian. 
 http://peterlevi.com/variety/
 
 It currently isn't listed in the repositories.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 
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 Debian Release: 7.7
   APT prefers stable-updates
   APT policy: (500, 'stable-updates'), (500, 'stable')
 Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
 
 Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
 Locale: LANG=sl_SI.utf8, LC_CTYPE=sl_SI.utf8 (charmap=UTF-8)
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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Anthony Towns wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:22:39AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
  Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes:
   BTW, it occured to me that it seems like a wart that update-rc.d doesn't
   respect policy-rc.d -- as it stands, policy-rc.d can prevent a service
   from (re)starting during install/upgrade, but it'll still start on the
   next boot. Is that just something that never got thought of / done, or
   does it actually make sense?
  Consider, for example, bootstrapping a new system in a local chroot that
  will then be deployed as a virtual image.  You want policy-rc.d to prevent
  starting any daemons from the chroot while you're installing and
  configuring packages, but you still want all the service management links
  and policy installed as normal so that, after you turn this into a cloud
  image, everything will run properly.
 
 Thanks, that makes sense.
 
 I was thinking more along the lines of:
 
  - do the install with policy-rc.d overriding which services are active
  - once you change your policy (once you've finished bootstrapping), you
change or remove policy-rc.d, and continue on your merry way
 
 But having update-rc.d obey policy-rc.d would stop that from working
 right; having /init/ obey policy-rc.d would work fine, but that's just
 crazy complicated.
 
 Followup question: does anyone actually use the detailed features of
 policy-rc.d or is always used in practice to turn all init scripts off?

I think I heard of someone using them *once*.  It is very rare, AFAIK.

However, if there is one thing I learned the hard way, is that people who
use the advanced features don't make themselves or that fact known unless
you ask.  They often don't show up even when you break things for them :-(

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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 16/11/14 17:16, Scott Kitterman wrote:
 The cure for inappropriate speech is more speech.  Calling people on things 
 that are inappropriate or that cause problems in the project is exactly the 
 right thing to do. 
I was trying to point out the futility of trying to ask people to show
restraint, as calling a (subjectively) innocent joke offensive is every
bit as offensive as the original joke.
  Refrain from stirring the fire by saying it's wrong is backwards. 
Over a decade ago I worked for a company I will not name. Suffice it to
say it is a company producing firewalls. In the course of debugging one
feature, I managed to create a RST storm. It is the same as an ACK
storm[1], only with RST packets.

The discussion here reminds me of those times.

I am not telling anyone to shut up. Everyone are free to criticize
whatever and wherever. I am merely suggesting that shutting up might be
a smarter course of action.

Of course, I'm sure there are those who will find my mail offensive, and
will be most prudent in letting me, and everyone else, know about it. As
such, I promise to henceforth accept my own advice. This is my last
email on this thread.

Shachar
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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Le samedi 15 novembre 2014 à 16:16 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
  The technical committe was asked in #746578 to override the ordering
  of the alternative dependencies on systemd-sysv and systemd-shim to
  prefer the installation of systemd-shim in cases where sysvinit-core
  was already installed.
 
 This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
 being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution
 was still under discussion.

§6.3.6 does not prevent the CTTE from being presented an issue early. It
stops the CTTE from deciding an issue before a consensus approach has
been attempted. In this particular case, I felt that a consensus
approach had been attempted when this issue came up for a vote. This
particular bug has been open since May, and was discussed at length.

In retrospect, the CTTE may not be working consensus hard enough, and
for that, I'm sorry. Working to achieve consensus is very difficult,
time consuming, and fraught. It takes a huge time commitment, and even
after spending the time, the CTTE may still have to make a decision.

I had naïvely assumed that making what I thought were technically
defensible decisions was good enough. Clearly, enough people in the
project disagree, and want the CTTE to work harder on consensus first
before deciding.

I'm already working to rectify that in the case of #766708, and I'm
certain we could use more help finding consensus with #750135, and maybe
even #741573. If this is something you (or anyone else in the project)
feels strongly about, please, work with the CTTE to help find consensus
on these issues, so we don't actually have to decide.

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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes:

 I think I heard of someone using them *once*.  It is very rare, AFAIK.

 However, if there is one thing I learned the hard way, is that people
 who use the advanced features don't make themselves or that fact known
 unless you ask.  They often don't show up even when you break things for
 them :-(

Back when we were arguing over the right way to disable an init script so
that the state was preserved across package upgrades, I remember several
people saying policy.d was the right way to disable a specific service.
Presumably a few people were using it based on that.

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Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-17 Thread Michal Suchanek
On 17 November 2014 18:15, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote:
 On 11/17/2014 10:41 PM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
 To be a reasonable sysvinit replacement
 systemd and upstart must output messages to consoles(s) to which
 sysvinit did output messages, even on systems with multiple consoles
 (eg. serial, vga, kms).

 Not really... Or at least, not until last summer when I uploaded a
 patched version of bootlogd to Sid. To this date, sysv-rc can't log to
 multiple consoles, unless the release team agrees that I fix Wheezy (see
 the release.debian.org corresponding bug: #767202).


Hello,

I just tried in qemu after bootstrapping a fresh system in /tmp/zero.

qemu-system-x86_64 -hda /tmp/zero -serial stdio -append
root=UUID=f1e068b6-253f-4b8d-9a8c-9df9b671787f ro console=tty0
console=ttyS0,115200n8 -kernel /tmp/vmlinuz -initrd /tmp/initrd

Indeed, both consoles are used to some extent with systemd. However,
the serial console is way more verbose in this configuration. For one,
I did not notice any disk check messages on the VGA console hence the
black screen on system which has disks of non-trivial size. With
current sysvinit the serial console is also used as main but
sysvinit-core does not produce any messages on tty0 whatsoever and so
does not mislead the user into thinking that useful boot progress
feedback can be obtained on that terminal. systemd on the other hand
prints selected messages on both terminals but most messages go only
to the main serial terminal.
For completeness I tried upstart and it produces two error messages on
both terminals and 6 progress messages on serial terminal never giving
a login prompt on either. This is unexpected as it used to work on
wheezy.

Thanks

Michal


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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
First, Don, I’d like to thank you for keeping the discussion civil. I
have made a serious accusation, and I don’t want it to be an excuse for
a mudfight.

Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 11:15 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
 §6.3.6 does not prevent the CTTE from being presented an issue early. It
 stops the CTTE from deciding an issue before a consensus approach has
 been attempted. In this particular case, I felt that a consensus
 approach had been attempted when this issue came up for a vote. This
 particular bug has been open since May, and was discussed at length.

There have been discussions, specifically on the debian-ctte mailing
lists, about upgrading to systemd only if the system is not at risk of
breaking sysadmin changes (inittab, custom init scripts).

It strikes me that this possibility has not even been included in the
call for votes for this bug.

 In retrospect, the CTTE may not be working consensus hard enough, and
 for that, I'm sorry. Working to achieve consensus is very difficult,
 time consuming, and fraught. It takes a huge time commitment, and even
 after spending the time, the CTTE may still have to make a decision.

I don’t think it is wrong to want to have a decision at some point, if
the attempts at consensus have failed. Keeping issues in the open for
months, even years, is not going to magically solve them.

It’s not because the resolution is wrong, either. Of course, my opinion
is that it is wrong, and that it is going to rain fire on us when
upgraded systems do not behave like freshly installed ones. But the
point of making decisions is that sometimes they are wrong, and we
should be able to deal with whatever fixing is required later.

The problem here is that the CTTE gives the feeling of having been
played. The same person escalated the problem to the CTTE, framed it
into a fake dichotomy, proposed a resolution that ignored the ongoing
discussions and alternative proposals, and rushed a vote.

Maybe this feeling is unfounded. Maybe all members of the CTTE genuinely
believe that there were no other acceptable proposal, after carefully
examining the issue and the consequences of all scenarios. If this is
the case, we might have a serious communication problem. Because either
way, we have a problem of trust that #746578 is not going to improve.

 I had naïvely assumed that making what I thought were technically
 defensible decisions was good enough. Clearly, enough people in the
 project disagree, and want the CTTE to work harder on consensus first
 before deciding.

I don’t think it has to be the CTTE’s role to build consensus from
nothing. But when genuine attempts are being made, constitution §6.3.6
should be honored.

 I'm already working to rectify that in the case of #766708, and I'm
 certain we could use more help finding consensus with #750135, and maybe
 even #741573. If this is something you (or anyone else in the project)
 feels strongly about, please, work with the CTTE to help find consensus
 on these issues, so we don't actually have to decide.

#741573 is a clear-cut case where consensus has been achieved and a
single maintainer is deliberately acting against it. After that, what
should have been an obvious CTTE decision has been derailed into a
lengthy debate on the philosophy of menu systems.

When a trivial request takes so much time to decide on, and a complex
one is rushed into a hasty resolution, well, maybe that explains the
trust issue I was talking about.

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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 21:20 +0100, Josselin Mouette a écrit :
 It’s not because the resolution is wrong, either. Of course, my opinion
 is that it is wrong, and that it is going to rain fire on us when
 upgraded systems do not behave like freshly installed ones. 

Ansgar pointed to me on IRC that there is another dependency chain
taking care of upgrades, making the “raining fire” comment an obvious
overstatement. 

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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Dominik George
Hi,

 Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 11:15 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
 §6.3.6 does not prevent the CTTE from being presented an issue early. It
 stops the CTTE from deciding an issue before a consensus approach has
 been attempted. In this particular case, I felt that a consensus
 approach had been attempted when this issue came up for a vote. This
 particular bug has been open since May, and was discussed at length.
 
 There have been discussions, specifically on the debian-ctte mailing
 lists, about upgrading to systemd only if the system is not at risk of
 breaking sysadmin changes (inittab, custom init scripts).

I do not see why this issue even had to be discussed. It looks obvious
to me that a package should avoid changing or breakign anything outside
it if it is not necessary. The CTTE's decision therefore is the only
reasonable one, and I wonder why realising this needed the CTTE.

That said, good job, technical committee, for saving users from touching
a running system :)!

Cheers,
Nik



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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:20:56PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
  In retrospect, the CTTE may not be working consensus hard enough, and
  for that, I'm sorry. Working to achieve consensus is very difficult,
  time consuming, and fraught. It takes a huge time commitment, and even
  after spending the time, the CTTE may still have to make a decision.

 I don’t think it is wrong to want to have a decision at some point, if
 the attempts at consensus have failed. Keeping issues in the open for
 months, even years, is not going to magically solve them.

 It’s not because the resolution is wrong, either. Of course, my opinion
 is that it is wrong, and that it is going to rain fire on us when
 upgraded systems do not behave like freshly installed ones.

How do you arrive at the conclusion that this in any way causes upgraded
systems to be have differently from freshly-installed ones?  The only thing
this dependency swap affects is whether installing a DE on top of an
existing system which has deliberately opted for a non-default init causes a
different init to be chosen.

This is not about the choice of init for upgraded systems, /at all/.

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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Noel Torres
On Monday, 17 de November de 2014 20:20:56 Josselin Mouette escribió:
 First, Don, I’d like to thank you for keeping the discussion civil. I
 have made a serious accusation, and I don’t want it to be an excuse for
 a mudfight.

The point is not that you have made a serious accusation. It is your right to 
do so, if you feel something is wrong. I would even say that it is your duty.

The point is that you requested (you 'urged') maintainers to ignore a CTTE 
decision that has not been overturned. This is not being civil.

I strongly support the CTTE decision of systemd being our default, as well as 
this one. In fact, any CTTE decision. And if I someday find that a specific 
CTTE 
decision is wrong, I'll work to overturn it, either by providing further 
evidence or by convincing somebody of some aspect that they may not have seen. 
But not by requesting maintainers ignore a decision.

I have had a hard moment while writing this, because what I really wanted to 
write was in a very different mood, but I do not want (another) mudfight.

Keep Debian civil. Do what the CTTE has ruled, and if you feel it is wrong, 
raise the case again, or try to overturn the CTTE decision by the correct 
means. Have you tried to grab the Secretary's opinion about if the 
Constitution has really been ignored?

I think it has not been, and you think it has, and we can agree that we 
disagree, but The Right Thing here is not what you did.

Regards

er Envite


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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Michael Banck
Hi Josselin,

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:38:34PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Le samedi 15 novembre 2014 à 16:16 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
  The technical committe was asked in #746578 to override the ordering
  of the alternative dependencies on systemd-sysv and systemd-shim to
  prefer the installation of systemd-shim in cases where sysvinit-core
  was already installed.
 
 This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
 being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution was
 still under discussion.
 
 I urge the systemd maintainers not to take it into account.

This list is for technical discussions of the Debian distribution, your
mail is off-topic here.

If you have issues with the technical committe and/or want to reach the
systemd maintainers, let me know off-list and I can provide you with
contact details.


Cheers,

Michael


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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Russ Allbery wrote:
 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes:
  I think I heard of someone using them *once*.  It is very rare, AFAIK.
 
  However, if there is one thing I learned the hard way, is that people
  who use the advanced features don't make themselves or that fact known
  unless you ask.  They often don't show up even when you break things for
  them :-(
 
 Back when we were arguing over the right way to disable an init script so
 that the state was preserved across package upgrades, I remember several
 people saying policy.d was the right way to disable a specific service.
 Presumably a few people were using it based on that.

Yes... that's probably where I heard about some more advanced uses of
policy-rc.d other than the usual one-liner exit 101 for use inside chroots
:-)

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New pre-depends: python pre-depends python-minimal

2014-11-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
It appears that the appropriate resolution of  #769106 [1] is to add a new 
pre-depends on python-minimal in python.

This issue at hand is that at the time python2.7-minimal is configured, python 
is unpacked, but python-minimal is not.  Since python-2.7-minimal doesn't have 
a direct depends on python-minimal, this is allowable (policy 7.2, Depends).

In order for python2.7-minimal to configure, python-minimal needs to be at 
least unpacked to provide /usr/bin/pycompile.  The only way for python to 
ensure this is the case is to declare a pre-depends relation (also policy 
7.2).

Since nothing outside python-defaults should depend on python-minimal this 
should have a minimal impact on upgrade ordering or dependency resolution 
complexity.

One might argue that the python/python-minimal split is obsolete and ought to 
be dropped, but I think that's a discussion to have (if at all) for Stretch.  
Adding the pre-depends is the least invasive solution to this RC bug.

Comments/concurrence/etc?

Scott K


[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769106


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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:21:13AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
 On Nov 17, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
 
   This is what many still (retorically) wonder about: we the systemd 
   maintainers did not reject that change,
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=15;bug=746578
 Please try to be less selective in your quoting: the issue was still 
 being discussed.

May I gently suggest that tagging a bug wontfix has the unfortunate
tendency to perpetuate the perception that the systemd proponents
don't really care about any fallout that systemd might cause on the
rest of Debian --- ESPECIALLY if it's still open for discussion?

Especially without any discussion or explanation by any other systemd
maintainer?

It may not be accurate, but right now, given the feeling of hurt on
all sides of the issue, a bit more communication instead of a blunt
tags + wontfix without any word of explanation might have
contributed to a more productive amount of discussion.

Best regards,

- Ted


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Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-17 Thread Simon McVittie
On 17/11/14 16:24, Ian Jackson wrote:
 I don't think this problem, of a mass of different branch structures,
 is going to go away any time soon.  Simply because people don't seem
 able to agree.
 
 My answer is to create a parallel universe in which the branch
 structure is known.

As far as I can see, in effect, Kali's answer can be described by the
same sentence, except that Kali's parallel universe doesn't have the
same known branch structure you do, presumably because Raphael's
preferences are different; Kali's known branch structure is what
git-import-dsc does whereas yours is based on what dpkg-source -x
produces, resulting in different trees in the repository for 3.0 (quilt)
packages.

As far as I can see from what you've said elsewhere, for source format
3.0 (quilt), you're aiming for the patches applied and also serialized
in debian/patches/ state (matching git-dpm I think?), whereas Kali ends
up with the patches serialized in debian/patches/ but not applied
state (matching gbp-pq).

Is that a fair characterization?

Is your current work-in-progress on teaching dgit better 3.0 (quilt)
handling available anywhere? I'd be interested in trying out the new way
while comparing the same package in different repository layouts.

S


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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Raphaël Halimi
Hi,

First of all, sorry in advance if the beginning of this post looks more
like a bug report discussion than a debian-devel post.

 try this instead:
 
 $ journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=systemd-journald.service
 
 which will (most likely) also show messages like Suppressed 1927 messages
 from /PATH/FOO.slice. You can then use 
 
 $ journalctl _SYSTEMD_SLICE=FOO.slice
 
 to display the non-suppressed part of the spew that's responsible
 for this overrun.

(intentional disabling of word-wrapping just for the few lines of logs)

raph@arche:~$ journalctl _SYSTEMD_UNIT=systemd-journald.service
-- Logs begin at lun. 2014-11-10 20:14:11 CET, end at lun. 2014-11-17 23:31:22 
CET. --
nov. 10 20:14:11 arche systemd-journal[207]: Runtime journal is using 8.0M (max 
allowed 79.2M, trying to leave 118.8M free of 784.0M available → current limit 
79.2M).
nov. 10 20:14:11 arche systemd-journal[207]: Runtime journal is using 8.0M (max 
allowed 79.2M, trying to leave 118.8M free of 784.0M available → current limit 
79.2M).
nov. 10 20:14:11 arche systemd-journal[207]: Journal started
nov. 10 20:14:19 arche systemd-journal[207]: Runtime journal is using 8.0M (max 
allowed 79.2M, trying to leave 118.8M free of 783.3M available → current limit 
79.2M).
nov. 10 20:14:34 arche systemd-journal[207]: Forwarding to syslog missed 42 
messages.
nov. 14 01:02:44 arche systemd-journal[207]: Forwarding to syslog missed 1 
messages.
nov. 14 01:25:31 arche systemd-journal[207]: Forwarding to syslog missed 2 
messages.
nov. 14 01:26:36 arche systemd-journal[207]: Forwarding to syslog missed 2 
messages.
nov. 15 18:22:24 arche systemd-journal[207]: Forwarding to syslog missed 9 
messages.
nov. 15 18:22:54 arche systemd-journal[207]: Forwarding to syslog missed 3 
messages.
nov. 16 22:27:37 arche systemd-journal[207]: Forwarding to syslog missed 1 
messages.
nov. 16 22:28:13 arche systemd-journal[207]: Forwarding to syslog missed 1 
messages.
nov. 17 15:13:45 arche systemd-journal[207]: Forwarding to syslog missed 18 
messages.


As you can see, no syslog-filler slice to investigate in particular. I'm
quite happy though, because after you and Ben emitted the idea that I
may have ran with messed up logs long before I upgraded to systemd, I
was quite worried, even if it's a sid desktop that I moderately care
about (after all, if that's the case, it could happen on my production
servers as well); but the small number of missed messages (less than 50,
very different from the thousands you suspected) make me think that my
logs on this machine are a lot less likely to have been crippled for a
long time without my knowledge than both of you initially thought,
aren't they ?

 drop the message (IIRC it was even more condescending, like we don't
 have to wait for this or something). Really ? The very piece of code
 which is supposed to talk to syslog... doesn't wait for syslog ?

 Do you want to buffer an unbounded number of messages in RAM instead,
 hoping that syslog will catch up eventually? Thanks, but no thanks.
 (Implementing a _bounded_ message buffer in systemd doesn't make sense,
 because you can get the exact same effect by simply doing (a), above.)

Now for the interesting part (for debian-devel, anyway :) ). Maybe as a
sysadmin I lack some C arcane knowledge and it may sound like a silly
question to you, but why would that be such a bad idea ? Rsyslog (debian
default since lenny) does this; if it's configured to send messages to a
remote server via TCP, and if the server is unreachable for whatever
reason, it stores the messages in a buffer until they can be sent; it
even stores them to the disk if the case it's terminated. Why journald
using some more KB or MB of RAM to store the messages it couldn't forward in
time, and waiting for syslog to catch up, would be such a bad thing to do ?

 It's likely (though not certain) that your logs have been crippled in the
 past, albeit in a different way, and you simply didn't notice because the
 logging program didn't tell you. The standard syslog(3) code doesn't.

Like I said, it doesn't look that way (at least I hope it doesn't) but
correct me if I'm wrong.

Regards,

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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
 This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
 being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution
 was still under discussion.

 I urge the systemd maintainers not to take it into account.

I fully agree. This whole vote has been a farce and the result should
not be adopted. We haven't even waited for the results of the GR.

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Bug#769907: general: non-sysvinit init systems are made of fail

2014-11-17 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/18/2014 03:50 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
 With
 current sysvinit the serial console is also used as main but
 sysvinit-core does not produce any messages on tty0 whatsoever and so
 does not mislead the user into thinking that useful boot progress
 feedback can be obtained on that terminal.

This is because bootlogd only supports a single output at a time, and
therefore only outputs on the *last* occurrence of the console= boot
parameter. The patch that I pointed to resolves this by adding support
for outputting to multiple consoles. If you want it for Wheezy, I have
it here (as I use it for my unofficial OpenStack backport repo, it's in
that repository):

http://archive.gplhost.com/debian/pool/juno-backports/main/s/sysvinit/

On 11/18/2014 03:50 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
 systemd on the other hand
 prints selected messages on both terminals but most messages go only
 to the main serial terminal.

Yet another WTF, and probably if you ask upstream, they'll find a good
reason for that, and will tag +wontfix if you submit a bug... I'd be
curious to know what's the (twisted) reasoning behind. Maybe because
upstream considers that ttyS0 is for debugging, which IMO is wrong (it
should be considered as a normal console, just like tty0, and debug
messages should also be printed to tty0 anyway). BTW, it's good to know
that we have a way to debug things with systemd, thanks for the tip! :)

On 11/18/2014 03:50 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote:
 For completeness I tried upstart and it produces two error messages on
 both terminals and 6 progress messages on serial terminal never giving
 a login prompt on either. This is unexpected as it used to work on
 wheezy.

I would strongly suggest that you file bugs against both systemd and
upstart then! (and *not* using the general pseudo-package...)

Cheers,

Thomas Goirand (zigo)


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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 00:43 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: 
  This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
  being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution
  was still under discussion.
 
  I urge the systemd maintainers not to take it into account.
 
 I fully agree. This whole vote has been a farce and the result should
 not be adopted.

Just had to wonder... what happens to DDs who intentionally and clearly
break the constitution or who publicly state to no longer feel bound by
it?


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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Michael Banck
Hi Christoph,

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 01:24:13AM +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
 Just had to wonder... what happens to DDs who intentionally and clearly
 break the constitution or who publicly state to no longer feel bound by
 it?

This mailing list is a technical list and your message/question is
off-topic.  Kindly reask it on another list, or another forum
altogether.


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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 01:26 +0100, Michael Banck wrote: 
 This mailing list is a technical list and your message/question is
 off-topic.  Kindly reask it on another list, or another forum
 altogether.
I wouldn't say that the two posts I was particularly replying to were in
any way more technical.
Or is publicly asking to break the constitution is more technical than
asking what happens if someone intentionally does so?

Plus, d-d is described as Development of Debian, not as technical
only development of debian) and it seems to be pretty common to have
lengthy political discussions here.

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Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging repositories

2014-11-17 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes (Re: RFC: DEP-14: Recommended layout for Git packaging 
repositories):
 As far as I can see from what you've said elsewhere, for source format
 3.0 (quilt), you're aiming for the patches applied and also serialized
 in debian/patches/ state (matching git-dpm I think?), whereas Kali ends
 up with the patches serialized in debian/patches/ but not applied
 state (matching gbp-pq).

That is a correct characterisation of dgit's view of history.

But dgit will also cope with some patches applied and also serialised
but some further commits made to git but not serialised in
debian/patches.

 Is your current work-in-progress on teaching dgit better 3.0 (quilt)
 handling available anywhere? I'd be interested in trying out the new way
 while comparing the same package in different repository layouts.

 
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~ianmdlvl/git?p=dgit.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/wip.rebasing
aka
 git://git.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ianmdlvl/dgit.git#wip.rebasing

But DO NOT USE THAT VERSION TO UPLOAD.  It generates git trees that
existing dgits cannot cope with.

Thanks,
Ian.


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Bug#769979: ITP: r-cran-rneos -- GNU R package with XML-RPC interface to NEOS

2014-11-17 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
Package: wnpp
Owner: Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org
Severity: wishlist

* Package name: r-cran-rneos
  Version : 0.2-7-1
  Upstream Author : Bernhard Pfaff
* URL or Web page : http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/rneos/index.html
* License : GPL (= 2)
  Description : GNU R package with XML-RPC interface to NEOS

This is a very small package -- which is now a (Build-)Depends of the
r-cran-fportfolio package which has been in Debian for many years.

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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Bob Proulx
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
 Anthony Towns wrote:
  Russ Allbery wrote:
   Anthony Towns writes:
BTW, it occured to me that it seems like a wart that update-rc.d doesn't
respect policy-rc.d -- as it stands, policy-rc.d can prevent a service
from (re)starting during install/upgrade, but it'll still start on the
next boot. Is that just something that never got thought of / done, or
does it actually make sense?

Initially that caught me offguard.  I had disabled a service using
policy-rc.d but it still started on the next boot.  Discussion with
parties involved exposed me to the fact of implementation that
policy-rc.d is observed only by invoke-rc.d which was designed for use
within package postinst et al scripts.  (Although anything that exists
will be used outside of the original context and therefore there are
people using invoke-rc.d instead of service.)  It feels strange to me
that policy-rc.d only prevents starting from within package actions
but not otherwise.

Here it is said update-rc.d does not respect policy-rc.d but I think
maybe that should have been invoke-rc.d since update-rc.d just sets
things up to start while it is invoke-rc.d that actually does it.

   Consider, for example, bootstrapping a new system in a local chroot that
   will then be deployed as a virtual image.  You want policy-rc.d to prevent
   starting any daemons from the chroot while you're installing and
   configuring packages, but you still want all the service management links
   and policy installed as normal so that, after you turn this into a cloud
   image, everything will run properly.
 
  Thanks, that makes sense.

For me it feels strange to leave policy-rc.d in place for a real boot.
Wouldn't it be better to remove the policy-rc.d when converting it
from a chroot to a full booting system?  Otherwise one boots and
policy-rc.d is ignored.  Everything starts.  But then upgrades later
and nothing is (re)started?  That doesn't feel good.  I think it would
need to be removed for correct continuing operation.  (And if so then
it would be fine to respect it during boot too.)

  I was thinking more along the lines of:
  
   - do the install with policy-rc.d overriding which services are active
   - once you change your policy (once you've finished bootstrapping), you
 change or remove policy-rc.d, and continue on your merry way
  
  But having update-rc.d obey policy-rc.d would stop that from working
  right; having /init/ obey policy-rc.d would work fine, but that's just
  crazy complicated.
  
  Followup question: does anyone actually use the detailed features of
  policy-rc.d or is always used in practice to turn all init scripts off?

 I think I heard of someone using them *once*.  It is very rare, AFAIK.

Is there any other way to do it?  I am not aware of any other way.  If
that is the only way then it must be in use by everyone who needs it.

Maybe I am missing a better alternative?

 However, if there is one thing I learned the hard way, is that people who
 use the advanced features don't make themselves or that fact known unless
 you ask.  They often don't show up even when you break things for them :-(

(Chuckle!)  Agreed.  But here I am showing up to be one of those
unrepresented people!

Here is an actual live production policy-rc.d from a system where the
web server is being run inside of a chroot.  I think the intention is
obvious.  Is there any other way to accomplish this other than using
the policy-rc.d?  Trying to manage the startup with update-rc.d
doesn't work until after a package is installed.

Bob

#!/bin/sh
# See /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz for documentation.

while [ $# -gt 0 ]; do
case $1 in
--list) exit 101 ;;
--quiet) shift ;;
-*) shift ;;
apache2) exit 0 ;;
cron) exit 0 ;;
nullmailer) exit 0 ;;
*) break ;;
esac
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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:48:29PM +, Anthony Towns wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:05:13AM +0100, Bj??rn Mork wrote:
  m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
   On Nov 17, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote:
This is what many still (retorically) wonder about: we the systemd 
maintainers did not reject that change,
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=15;bug=746578
   Please try to be less selective in your quoting: the issue was still 
   being discussed.
  I see.  So any systemd bug with a 'wontfix' tag is still considered open
  for discussion?  That's good to know.  Thanks.
 
 Isn't any (open) bug tagged wontfix still open for discussion? If you've
 got new information, or a new approach that the maintainer might prefer,
 you can post it to the bug and discuss it with the maintainer...

It appears to be a misnomer then. I read 'wontfix' as I'm not going to
to fix it as I don't see it as a bug.

Or am I confusing an open wontfix with a closed wontfix? 

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Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 01:24:13AM +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
   This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
   being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution
   was still under discussion.
  
   I urge the systemd maintainers not to take it into account.
  
  I fully agree. This whole vote has been a farce and the result should
  not be adopted.
 
 Just had to wonder... what happens to DDs who intentionally and clearly
 break the constitution or who publicly state to no longer feel bound by
 it?
An email to DAM who is a DPL delegate with powers to expel people from the
project.

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Re: Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers

2014-11-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes:
 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
 Anthony Towns wrote:

 Followup question: does anyone actually use the detailed features of
 policy-rc.d or is always used in practice to turn all init scripts off?

 I think I heard of someone using them *once*.  It is very rare, AFAIK.

 Is there any other way to do it?  I am not aware of any other way.  If
 that is the only way then it must be in use by everyone who needs it.

 Maybe I am missing a better alternative?

update-rc.d service disable

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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:

 It appears to be a misnomer then. I read 'wontfix' as I'm not going to
 to fix it as I don't see it as a bug.

 Or am I confusing an open wontfix with a closed wontfix? 

Yeah, this is confusing as heck, and to make it worse, every Debian
maintainer has their own system.  We don't have standardized detailed tag
meanings.

Personally (and this is also the pattern followed by Lintian and Policy
maintainers), I tag bugs wontfix but don't close them while I'm still open
to further discussion to change my mind.  Then, I frequently forget to
remove the wontfix tag even after I've changed my mind.  :/

Closed is another matter entirely -- that means I'm pretty sure the bug
report should just go away.

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Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-17 Thread Ben Finney
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:

 [the ‘wontfix’ tag] appears to be a misnomer then. I read 'wontfix' as
 I'm not going to to fix it as I don't see it as a bug.

The official definition:

wontfix
This bug won't be fixed. Possibly because this is a choice between
two arbitrary ways of doing things and the maintainer and submitter
prefer different ways of doing things, possibly because changing the
behaviour will cause other, worse, problems for others, or possibly
for other reasons.

URL:https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#tags

leaves open the question of whether the maintainer considers the
reported behaviour a bug. There is no necessary implication to that
effect.

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Bug#769997: ITP: 4ti2 -- algebraic, geometric and combinatorial problems on linear spaces

2014-11-17 Thread Jerome Benoit
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jerome Benoit calcu...@rezozer.net

* Package name: 4ti2
  Version : 1.6.2
  Upstream Author : 4ti2 team
* URL : http://www.4ti2.de/
* License : GPL-2+
  Programming Lang: C, C++, swig
  Description : algebraic, geometric and combinatorial problems on linear 
spaces

A mathematical software package for algebraic, geometric and combinatorial
problems on linear spaces.


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Re: Bug#769747: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello all,

Josselin Mouette [2014-11-17 19:38 +0100]:
 This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
 being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution was
 still under discussion.
 
 I urge the systemd maintainers not to take it into account.

TBH, I think this was blown way out of proportion. I already switched
the dependencies around yesterday in git. It's a rather harmless
change after all -- a no-op for any existing system, regardless of
whether they have systemd-sysv or sysvinit installed. And on upgrades,
libpam-systemd is *not* meant to be the package that decides which
init system you end up with IMHO -- that should be the job of a
meta-package like init or other means (and there's still a pending
discussion whether and how to upgrade existing wheezy machines to
systemd).

If other systemd maintainers want to keep discussing this dependency
issue, please do (but it seems we are just losing them in dangerous
quantities!), but I see absolutely no point in this personally.

Martin

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Re: New pre-depends: python pre-depends python-minimal

2014-11-17 Thread Julien Cristau
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 18:24:00 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:

 It appears that the appropriate resolution of  #769106 [1] is to add a new 
 pre-depends on python-minimal in python.
 
 This issue at hand is that at the time python2.7-minimal is configured, 
 python 
 is unpacked, but python-minimal is not.  Since python-2.7-minimal doesn't 
 have 
 a direct depends on python-minimal, this is allowable (policy 7.2, Depends).
 
 In order for python2.7-minimal to configure, python-minimal needs to be at 
 least unpacked to provide /usr/bin/pycompile.  The only way for python to 
 ensure this is the case is to declare a pre-depends relation (also policy 
 7.2).
 
Can you explain why/how the python package enters into the picture here
at all?

Cheers,
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Re: Bug#769747: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-17 Thread Sjoerd Simons
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 06:29 +0100, Martin Pitt wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 Josselin Mouette [2014-11-17 19:38 +0100]:
  This decision has been made in gross violation of constitution §6.3.6,
  being summoned to override a maintainer’s choice while the solution was
  still under discussion.
  
  I urge the systemd maintainers not to take it into account.
 
 TBH, I think this was blown way out of proportion. I already switched
 the dependencies around yesterday in git. It's a rather harmless
 change after all -- a no-op for any existing system, regardless of
 whether they have systemd-sysv or sysvinit installed. And on upgrades,
 libpam-systemd is *not* meant to be the package that decides which
 init system you end up with IMHO -- that should be the job of a
 meta-package like init or other means (and there's still a pending
 discussion whether and how to upgrade existing wheezy machines to
 systemd).
 
 If other systemd maintainers want to keep discussing this dependency
 issue, please do (but it seems we are just losing them in dangerous
 quantities!), but I see absolutely no point in this personally.

Yeah, the switch is entirely fine, thanks for doing the change. At worst
it's inelegant to have to do this in order to trick the dependency
systems into doing the right thing, maybe we manage to find a nicer
solution for jessie+1. 

However I don't really the path that lead to the vote and the overruling
(as i really don't think such drastic measures were needed), but that's
a completely different discussion that clearly needs to be held
seperately from discussing any specific technial outcome including this
one.
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Re: New pre-depends: python pre-depends python-minimal

2014-11-17 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, November 18, 2014 08:28:29 AM Julien Cristau wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 18:24:00 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
  It appears that the appropriate resolution of  #769106 [1] is to add a new
  pre-depends on python-minimal in python.
  
  This issue at hand is that at the time python2.7-minimal is configured,
  python is unpacked, but python-minimal is not.  Since python-2.7-minimal
  doesn't have a direct depends on python-minimal, this is allowable
  (policy 7.2, Depends).
  
  In order for python2.7-minimal to configure, python-minimal needs to be at
  least unpacked to provide /usr/bin/pycompile.  The only way for python to
  ensure this is the case is to declare a pre-depends relation (also policy
  7.2).
 
 Can you explain why/how the python package enters into the picture here
 at all?

texlive-music grew a depends on python between wheezy and jessie, so in the 
upgrade test that led to the the bug it was being freshly installed (test 
being done in a minimal chroot.

python depends (among other things) python2.7 and python-minimal.  python-
minimal then depends on python2.7-minimal.

As part of python2.7-minimal's configuration, 
/usr/share/python/runtime.d/public_modules.rtinstall gets executed.  It's part 
of the python package.  Since the dependency chain was texlive-music - python 
- python2.7-minimal, python is already unpacked, so the script is available.

The tricky part is that /usr/share/python/runtime.d/public_modules.rtinstall 
needs /usr/bin/pycompile in order to work.  That's in (you guessed it) python-
minimal.  It's not available (and there's nothing in policy that says it has 
to be).

Eventually, python-minimal will get unpacked, but it hadn't yet in this test 
run.

Does that clarify it?

Scott K

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Accepted mlterm 3.4.0-1 (source) into experimental

2014-11-17 Thread Ahmed El-Mahmoudy
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Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Kenshi Muto km...@debian.org
Changed-By: أحمد المحمودي (Ahmed El-Mahmoudy) 
aelmahmo...@users.sourceforge.net
Description:
 mlterm - MultiLingual TERMinal
 mlterm-common - MultiLingual TERMinal, common files
 mlterm-im-fcitx - MultiLingual TERMinal, Flexible Input Method plugin
 mlterm-im-ibus - MultiLingual TERMinal, IBus input method plugin
 mlterm-im-m17nlib - MultiLingual TERMinal, m17nlib input method plugin
 mlterm-im-scim - MultiLingual TERMinal, scim input method plugin
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 mlterm-tools - MultiLingual TERMinal, additional tools
Changes:
 mlterm (3.4.0-1) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream release.
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Accepted redmine-plugin-pretend 0.0.2+git20130821-3 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Dmitry Smirnov only...@debian.org
Changed-By: Dmitry Smirnov only...@debian.org
Description:
 redmine-plugin-pretend - Redmine plugin to allow admins to log-in as users
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 .
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Accepted xslthl 2.1.0-4 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Eugene Zhukov
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 11:59:06 +
Source: xslthl
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Architecture: source all
Version: 2.1.0-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers 
pkg-java-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Eugene Zhukov jevgeni...@gmail.com
Description:
 libxslthl-java - XSLT syntax highlighting
Closes: 769526
Changes:
 xslthl (2.1.0-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Refreshed patches
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   * Updated to debhelper 9
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Accepted gtkwave 3.3.63-1 (source) into experimental

2014-11-17 Thread Ahmed El-Mahmoudy
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Electronics Team 
pkg-electronics-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: أحمد المحمودي (Ahmed El-Mahmoudy) 
aelmahmo...@users.sourceforge.net
Description:
 gtkwave- VCD (Value Change Dump) file waveform viewer
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Accepted openjdk-7-jre-dcevm 7u60-3 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
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Source: openjdk-7-jre-dcevm
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 7u60-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers 
pkg-java-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Emmanuel Bourg ebo...@apache.org
Description:
 openjdk-7-jre-dcevm - Alternative VM for OpenJDK 7 with enhanced class 
redefinition
Closes: 768715
Changes:
 openjdk-7-jre-dcevm (7u60-3) unstable; urgency=medium
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Accepted qpid-proton 0.7-2 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:58:45 -0500
Source: qpid-proton
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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 0.7-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Middleware Maintainers 
pkg-middleware-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Darryl L. Pierce dpie...@redhat.com
Description:
 libqpid-proton2 - C libraries for Qpid Proton
 libqpid-proton2-dev - Development libraries for writing messaging apps with 
Qpid Proton
 libqpid-proton2-dev-doc - Developer documentation for Qpid Proton
 libqpid-proton2-dev-examples - Example applications for writign messaging apps 
with Qpid Proton
 python-qpid-proton - Python language bindings for Qpid Proton messaging 
framework
 python-qpid-proton-doc - Documentation for the Python language bindings for 
Qpid Proton
 qpid-proton-dump - Qpid Proton messaging tools
Closes: 768617
Changes:
 qpid-proton (0.7-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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   * Bumped Standards-Version to 3.9.6.
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Accepted util-linux 2.25.2-3 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Andreas Henriksson
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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:54:04 +0100
Source: util-linux
Binary: util-linux util-linux-locales mount bsdutils fdisk-udeb cfdisk-udeb 
libblkid1 libblkid1-udeb libblkid-dev libmount1 libmount-dev libsmartcols1 
libsmartcols1-udeb libsmartcols-dev libuuid1 uuid-runtime libuuid1-udeb 
uuid-dev util-linux-udeb
Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 2.25.2-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian util-linux Maintainers ah-util-li...@debian.org
Changed-By: Andreas Henriksson andr...@fatal.se
Description:
 bsdutils   - basic utilities from 4.4BSD-Lite
 cfdisk-udeb - Manually partition a hard drive (cfdisk) (udeb)
 fdisk-udeb - Manually partition a hard drive (fdisk) (udeb)
 libblkid-dev - block device id library - headers and static libraries
 libblkid1  - block device id library
 libblkid1-udeb - stripped down block device id library, for debian-installer 
(udeb)
 libmount-dev - device mounting library - headers and static libraries
 libmount1  - device mounting library
 libsmartcols-dev - smart column output alignment library - headers and static 
librar
 libsmartcols1 - smart column output alignment library
 libsmartcols1-udeb - stripped down smart column output aligment library, for 
debian-in (udeb)
 libuuid1   - Universally Unique ID library
 libuuid1-udeb - stripped down universally unique id library, for 
debian-installer (udeb)
 mount  - Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems
 util-linux - Miscellaneous system utilities
 util-linux-locales - Locales files for util-linux
 util-linux-udeb - stripped down miscellaneous system utilities, for 
debian-installe (udeb)
 uuid-dev   - universally unique id library - headers and static libraries
 uuid-runtime - runtime components for the Universally Unique ID library
Closes: 767194
Changes:
 util-linux (2.25.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted gnome-panel 3.8.1-7 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Dmitry Shachnev
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Architecture: source all
Version: 3.8.1-7
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers 
pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Dmitry Shachnev mity...@debian.org
Description:
 gir1.2-panelapplet-4.0 - GObject introspection for the GNOME Panel Applet 
library
 gnome-panel - launcher and docking facility for GNOME
 gnome-panel-data - common files for the GNOME Panel
 gnome-panel-dbg - GNOME Panel and library for panel applets - debugging symbols
 gnome-session-fallback - GNOME Session Manager - GNOME Flashback (transitional 
package)
 gnome-session-flashback - GNOME Session Manager - GNOME Flashback session
 libpanel-applet-4-0 - library for GNOME Panel applets
 libpanel-applet-4-dev - library for GNOME Panel applets - development files
 libpanel-applet-4-doc - library for GNOME Panel applets - documentation files
Closes: 769882
Changes:
 gnome-panel (3.8.1-7) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Fix crash when clicking on clock applet (closes: #769882).
   * Require gweather 3.10.1 (where BGO #708586 was fixed).
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Accepted itools 1.0-5 (source) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Ahmed El-Mahmoudy
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Source: itools
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Architecture: source
Version: 1.0-5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Islamic Maintainers 
debian-islamic-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: أحمد المحمودي (Ahmed El-Mahmoudy) 
aelmahmo...@users.sourceforge.net
Description:
 itools - Islamic hijri date and prayer time utilities
Changes:
 itools (1.0-5) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Revert Bumped compat level to 9
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Accepted cglib 2.2.2+dfsg2-2 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 14:13:01 +0100
Source: cglib
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Version: 2.2.2+dfsg2-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers 
pkg-java-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Emmanuel Bourg ebo...@apache.org
Description:
 libcglib-java - code generation library for Java
 libcglib-java-doc - code generation library for Java - documentation
Closes: 768721
Changes:
 cglib (2.2.2+dfsg2-2) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted testng 6.8.8-3 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Eugene Zhukov
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Source: testng
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Version: 6.8.8-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers 
pkg-java-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Eugene Zhukov jevgeni...@gmail.com
Description:
 testng - testing framework for Java
Closes: 769831
Changes:
 testng (6.8.8-3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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Accepted llvm-py 0.12.7-3~exp1 (source amd64) into experimental

2014-11-17 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 14:16:23 +0100
Source: llvm-py
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 0.12.7-3~exp1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: LLVM Packaging Team pkg-llvm-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Sylvestre Ledru sylves...@debian.org
Description:
 python-llvm - Python bindings for LLVM
 python-llvm-dbg - Python bindings for LLVM (debug mode)
Closes: 759020
Changes:
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 .
   * Fix the tag issue
 Thanks to Reiner Herrmann to digging into this issue
 (Closes: #759020)
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Accepted grilo-plugins 0.2.13-3 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Alberto Garcia
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Version: 0.2.13-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Alberto Garcia be...@igalia.com
Changed-By: Alberto Garcia be...@igalia.com
Description:
 grilo-plugins-0.2 - Framework for discovering and browsing media - Plugins
 grilo-plugins-0.2-dbg - Framework for discovering and browsing media - Plugin 
debugging s
Changes:
 grilo-plugins (0.2.13-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * libgom is still not available in Debian, so let's use the bookmarks
 plugin from 0.2.12, which does not depend on it.
 - old-bookmarks-plugin.patch: bring back the old code.
 - debian/control: add the plugin name to the package description.
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Accepted grokevt 0.4.1-8 (source all) into experimental

2014-11-17 Thread Joao Eriberto Mota Filho
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:42:10 -0200
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Version: 0.4.1-8
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Forensics forensics-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Joao Eriberto Mota Filho eribe...@debian.org
Description:
 grokevt- scripts for reading Microsoft Windows event log files
Changes:
 grokevt (0.4.1-8) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   * Team upload.
   * Bumped Standards-Version to 3.9.6.
   * debian/control:
   - Added python as build dependency.
   - Improved the long description.
   - Replaced the obsolete python-support by dh-python.
   * debian/rules: added python2 as helper.
   * debian/watch: added new tracking rules.
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Accepted libapache-mod-jk 1:1.2.37-4 (source amd64 all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 14:52:23 +0100
Source: libapache-mod-jk
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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 1:1.2.37-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Java Maintainers 
pkg-java-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Emmanuel Bourg ebo...@apache.org
Description:
 libapache-mod-jk-doc - Documentation of libapache2-mod-jk package
 libapache2-mod-jk - Apache 2 connector for the Tomcat Java servlet engine
Closes: 759624
Changes:
 libapache-mod-jk (1:1.2.37-4) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Team upload.
   * Switched to tomcat8 (Closes: #759624)
   * Standards-Version updated to 3.9.6 (no changes)
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Accepted vnc4 4.1.1+X4.3.0-37.3 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Benjamin Drung
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:47:55 +0100
Source: vnc4
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 4.1.1+X4.3.0-37.3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Ola Lundqvist o...@debian.org
Changed-By: Benjamin Drung benjamin.dr...@profitbricks.com
Description:
 vnc4server - Virtual network computing server software
 xvnc4viewer - Virtual network computing client software for X
Closes: 769891
Changes:
 vnc4 (4.1.1+X4.3.0-37.3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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   * Strip vnc:// prefix from server name to support URIs (Closes: #769891)
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Accepted quantlib 1.4.1-1 (source i386) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
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Source: quantlib
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Architecture: source i386
Version: 1.4.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org
Changed-By: Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org
Description:
 libquantlib0 - Quantitative Finance Library -- library package
 libquantlib0-dev - Quantitative Finance Library -- development package
 quantlib-examples - Quantitative Finance Library -- example binaries
Changes:
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 .
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 .
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Accepted google-android-sdk-docs-installer 20.0.0.3 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:43:51 +0100
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Version: 20.0.0.3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Android tools Maintainer 
android-tools-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org
Description:
 google-android-sdk-docs-installer - Android SDK Documentation from Google
Closes: 769809
Changes:
 google-android-sdk-docs-installer (20.0.0.3) unstable; urgency=low
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Accepted ruby-activerecord-import 0.6.0-1 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Pirate Praveen
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Version: 0.6.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers 
pkg-ruby-extras-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Pirate Praveen prav...@debian.org
Description:
 ruby-activerecord-import - Bulk-loading extension for ActiveRecord
Closes: 702505
Changes:
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Accepted ruby-responders 2.0.2-1 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Balasankar C
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Version: 2.0.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers 
pkg-ruby-extras-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Balasankar C balasank...@autistici.org
Description:
 ruby-responders - set of Rails responders to dry up your application
Closes: 769622
Changes:
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Accepted r-omegahat-xmlrpc 0.3-0-1 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
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Version: 0.3-0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org
Changed-By: Dirk Eddelbuettel e...@debian.org
Description:
 r-omegahat-xmlrpc - GNU R package for Remote Procedure Calls via XML
Closes: 768523
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted ruby-notifier 0.5.0-1 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Balasankar C
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Architecture: source all
Version: 0.5.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers 
pkg-ruby-extras-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Balasankar C balasank...@autistici.org
Description:
 ruby-notifier - send system notifications on several platforms
Closes: 769373
Changes:
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Accepted ruby-rails-admin 0.6.3~dfsg-1 (source all) into unstable, unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Pirate Praveen
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers 
pkg-ruby-extras-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Pirate Praveen prav...@debian.org
Description:
 ruby-rails-admin - Admin for Rails
Closes: 761059
Changes:
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Accepted libnet-dns-perl 0.81-2 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Ondřej Surý
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 16:18:22 +0100
Source: libnet-dns-perl
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 0.81-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Perl Group pkg-perl-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Ondřej Surý ond...@debian.org
Description:
 libnet-dns-perl - Perform DNS queries from a Perl script
Closes: 765327
Changes:
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Accepted libgit2 0.21.2-2 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Russell Sim
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Source: libgit2
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 0.21.2-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Russell Sim russell@gmail.com
Changed-By: Russell Sim russell@gmail.com
Description:
 libgit2-21 - low-level Git library
 libgit2-dbg - libgit2 library and debugging symbols
 libgit2-dev - low-level Git library (development files)
Closes: 768482
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Accepted reglookup 0.12.0-2 (source amd64) into experimental

2014-11-17 Thread Joao Eriberto Mota Filho
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Source: reglookup
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Version: 0.12.0-2
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Forensics forensics-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Joao Eriberto Mota Filho eribe...@debian.org
Description:
 reglookup  - utility to read and query Windows NT/2000/XP registry
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 .
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   * Bumped Standards-Version to 3.9.6.
   * Migrated the packaging to DebSrc3.0 format.
   * Updated DH level to 9 to allow GCC hardening.
   * debian/patches/: added the fix-string-error, that fix an
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Accepted python-pip 1.5.6-3 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Stefano Rivera
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:18:13 -0800
Source: python-pip
Binary: python-pip python3-pip python-pip-whl
Architecture: source all
Version: 1.5.6-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Python Modules Team 
python-modules-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Stefano Rivera stefa...@debian.org
Description:
 python-pip - alternative Python package installer
 python-pip-whl - alternative Python package installer
 python3-pip - alternative Python package installer - Python 3 version of the pa
Closes: 751827
Changes:
 python-pip (1.5.6-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Team upload.
   * Remove d/patches/format_egg_string.patch. This was worked around,
 upstream, in 1.0. And this patch now breaks pip uninstall in virtualenvs.
 (Closes: #751827)
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Accepted tvtime 1.0.2-13 (source) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Guillem Jover
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
Changed-By: Guillem Jover guil...@debian.org
Description:
 tvtime - television display application
Closes: 738253
Changes:
 tvtime (1.0.2-13) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * QA upload.
   * Switch ttf-freefont to fonts-freefont-ttf in Depends. Closes: #738253
   * Assume that dpkg-statoverride exists and stop using absolute paths when
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Accepted tableau-parm 0.2.0-2 (source amd64) into experimental

2014-11-17 Thread Joao Eriberto Mota Filho
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Version: 0.2.0-2
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Forensics forensics-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Joao Eriberto Mota Filho eribe...@debian.org
Description:
 tableau-parm - tableau write-blocking bridge query/command utility
Changes:
 tableau-parm (0.2.0-2) experimental; urgency=medium
 .
   * Team upload.
   * Bumped Standards-Version to 3.9.6.
   * Migrated the packaging to DebSrc3.0 format.
   * Updated DH level to 9.
   * debian/patches/:
   - 01-Makefile.patch: added flags to allow GCC hardening.
   - added the fix-string-error, that fix an elementary
 error that causes a FTBFS with DH9.
   * debian/rules: added the DEB_BUILD_MAINT_OPTIONS variable to
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   * debian/watch: added new tracking rules.
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Accepted ruby-actionpack-action-caching 1.1.1-3 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Antonio Terceiro
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:45:23 -0200
Source: ruby-actionpack-action-caching
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Version: 1.1.1-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian Ruby Extras Maintainers 
pkg-ruby-extras-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Antonio Terceiro terce...@debian.org
Description:
 ruby-actionpack-action-caching - action caching for Action Pack
Closes: 767842
Changes:
 ruby-actionpack-action-caching (1.1.1-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Breaks/Replaces against ruby-actionpack-2.3, ruby-actionpack-3.2 to
 properly fix upgrades from wheezy (Closes: #767842).
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Accepted startupmanager 1.9.13-8 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Guillem Jover
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
Changed-By: Guillem Jover guil...@debian.org
Description:
 startupmanager - Grub, Usplash and Splash screen configuration
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted zope.interface 4.1.1-3 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 13:48:08 -0500
Source: zope.interface
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python3-zope.interface-dbg
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 4.1.1-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian/Ubuntu Zope Team 
pkg-zope-develop...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Barry Warsaw ba...@debian.org
Description:
 python-zope.interface - Interfaces for Python
 python-zope.interface-dbg - Interfaces for Python (debug extension)
 python3-zope.interface - Interfaces for Python3
 python3-zope.interface-dbg - Interfaces for Python3 (debug extension)
Closes: 768286
Changes:
 zope.interface (4.1.1-3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Added d/python{,3}-zope.interface-dbg.maintscript so that the switch
 from symlinks to directories in /usr/share/doc is done correctly.
 Removed d/python-zope.interface-dbg.postinst which was an incomplete
 way of doing this. (Closes: #768286)
   * d/control: Added Pre-Depends to -dbg packages for .maintscript to
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Accepted android-permissions 0.2 (source all) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Android Tools android-tools-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org
Description:
 android-permissions - create gids that represent Android permissions
Closes: 767677
Changes:
 android-permissions (0.2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * force all groups to use Android gid (Closes: #767677)
   * remove inode chroot check that is failing on Android
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Accepted plymouth 0.9.0-9 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Sjoerd Simons
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 22:42:50 +0100
Source: plymouth
Binary: plymouth plymouth-x11 plymouth-dbg plymouth-dev plymouth-themes
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 0.9.0-9
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org
Changed-By: Sjoerd Simons sjo...@debian.org
Description:
 plymouth   - boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer
 plymouth-dbg - boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer - debug symbols
 plymouth-dev - boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer - development files
 plymouth-themes - boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer - themes
 plymouth-x11 - boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer - X11 renderer and 
log
Closes: 763276 767170 767937 768350
Changes:
 plymouth (0.9.0-9) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   [ Laurent Bigonville ]
   * debian/control: Add a dependency against init-system-helpers as we are
 explicitly using deb-systemd-helper in the plymouth postinst script
 (Closes: #767937)
   * debian/local/plymouth.hook: Test if the plugin is present on disk before
 trying to copy it to the initramfs (Closes: #767170)
   * debian/control: Reword the package description. (Closes: #768350)
 Thanks to Justin B Rye justin.byam@gmail.com
   * debian/local/plymouth.hook: Properly copy .plymouth file into the
 initramfs for themes that are not shipping images, this should fix the
 tribar theme.
 .
   [ Sjoerd Simons ]
   * 
debian/patches/debian/patches/utils-Don-t-create-unix-sockets-non-blocking.patch:
 + Added. Don't open unix socket connections as non-blocking as the read
 function assume blocking sockets. Fixes plymouth failing to query the
 password from the user  (Closes: #763276)
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Accepted pyvorbis 1.5-4 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-11-17 Thread Sandro Tosi
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 22:36:50 +
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Version: 1.5-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org
Changed-By: Sandro Tosi mo...@debian.org
Description:
 python-pyvorbis - Python interface to the Ogg Vorbis library
 python-pyvorbis-dbg - Python interface to the Ogg Vorbis library (debug 
extension)
Closes: 768285
Changes:
 pyvorbis (1.5-4) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * debian/rules
 - correctly link -dbg doc directory to the main package one; thanks to
   Andreas Beckmann for the report and to Jean-Michel Nirgal Vourgère for 
the
   first patch; Closes: #768285
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