Accepted compton-conf 0.16.0-3 (source) into unstable

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Maintainer: LXQt Packaging Team 
Changed-By: ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) 
Changes:
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Accepted rocsparse 5.3.0+dfsg-8 (source) into unstable

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Accepted cmst 2023.03.14-1 (source) into unstable

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   [ ChangZhuo Chen (陳昌倬) ]
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Accepted zenburn-emacs 2.8.0-1 (source) into unstable

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Accepted rust-gtk 0.16.2-3 (source) into unstable

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Closes: 1038758
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Re: amount of bootstrapping tools in Debian (Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters)

[Holger Levsen]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:59:18PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> however it's author also said on #-devel just now:
[...]
<  josch> | h01ger: i'm not multistraps author though

(josch AFAICS is the last maintainer of it, maintaining it from 2016
to 2018.)

my point is: it's more than two tools and let's do this properly.


--
cheers,
Holger

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The system isn't broken. It was built this way.


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Re: amount of bootstrapping tools in Debian (Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters)

[Holger Levsen]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:28:28PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 09:15:30PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > to how you see things moving forward?
> > Changing the bootstrap tools seems much safer. It is just two tools,
> three: debootstrap, mmdebstrap and cdebootstrap.

four: https://tracker.debian.org/multistrap

however it's author also said on #-devel just now:

 | h01ger: i tried to fix multistrap but failed 
https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/multistrap/commit/cd5dfbbbf2435bae8fc34ac32ee7d716c24bada8
< josch> i very much dislike removing stuff that still works -- if you feel 
differently, feel free to go ahead. i'll not stand in anybodies way :)

(quoted here with permission.)


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Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters

[Sam Hartman]

> "Helmut" == Helmut Grohne  writes:

I believe I'm up on this discussion to at least comment on the consensus
calls you discuss in the mail.
Except where noted below, I support your reading of consensus.


Helmut> Consensus proposal #1:

Helmut> This updated DEP17 is a complete representation of the
Helmut> known and relevant problems and known mitigations under
Helmut> discussion at the time of this writing.

I have read the mail, not the full updated DEP, so I cannot yet ack
this.

Helmut> When we get into mitigations, consensus is hard to come
Helmut> by. My impression is that we have roughly two camps. One is
Helmut> in favour of major changes to dpkg and the other is not.

I think you might get a more clear consensus if you phrase that in terms
of whether people are willing to wait for major changes in dpkg.
If the dpkg maintainer were to merge aliasing support, I haven't seen
anyone objecting strong enough to try and override that maintainer
action for example.


Helmut> There also is a minority arguing in favour of doing
Helmut> both. I've kinda ruled out that option already as we get the
Helmut> downsides of both without any further benefit in return.

I agree there is not sufficient support to try and force this.
I don't think there is a strong enough consensus to push back against
anything reasonable the dpkg maintainer did in this space.

Helmut> My impression is that the (vocal) majority falls into the
Helmut> latter category. The major alternative here is getting into
Helmut> a state where all paths shipped in binary packages are not
Helmut> aliased (dubbed M2 in DEP17).  Therefore, I propose a second
Helmut> consensus call.

Helmut> Consensus proposal #2:

Helmut> The primary method for finalizing the /usr-merge
Helmut> transition is moving files to their canonical locations
Helmut> (i.e. from / to /usr) according to the dpkg fsys database
Helmut> (i.e. in data.tar of binary packages).  dpkg is not
Helmut> augmented with a general mechanism supporting aliasing nor
Helmut> do we encode specific aliases into dpkg.

Helmut> I recognize that this is not unanimous, but I think we still
Helmut> have sufficient consensus on this. I suspect that maybe
Helmut> Simon Richter and a few more would disagree here. If
Helmut> consensus fails, we may have to put this to a vote.

I agree, there is a rough consensus on this.

Helmut> Once that is settled, the next big question is how to handle
Helmut> bootstrapping. We had a number of people arguing in favour
Helmut> of changing the bootstrap protocol. Such changes can be
Helmut> classified into generic changes and release-dependent
Helmut> changes. A release-dependent change enhances bootstrapping
Helmut> tools with knowledge of available releases and adapts
Helmut> behaviour in release-specific ways that are encoded into the
Helmut> bootstrapping tool. As it stands, the only bootstrapping
Helmut> tool that has been enhanced in this way is debootstrap and
Helmut> that support is limited to Debian and two derivatives. The
Helmut> category of generic changes includes imposing an ordering on
Helmut> initial unpacks (e.g. base-files first). Others are in
Helmut> favour of not changing the bootstrap protocol. In that view,
Helmut> some data.tar will have to ship the symbolic links and all
Helmut> other essential packages need to have their files
Helmut> canonicalized.

Ah, this was really helpful, because it allowed me to understand that at
least you and I haven't even been thinking about the problem space the
same.

Let's explore whether debootstrapping tools need to have release
knowledge at all.
Support for creating a merged /usr installation was first added in
debootstrap 1.0.83 in September of 2016.
It was enabled by default in  1.0.85 in October of 2016.
So, everything since stretch has supported merged /usr.

1) Do we actually still need to support boostrapping things older than
stretch at all using modern bootstrap tools?
If you're really installing something that old, can't you use a
container image to use an older bootstrapping tool?

2) Even if we do, I think it's okay to say that you need to specify
--no-merged-usr when installing something older than stretch, just as
you need to specify that if you want a buster, stretch, or bullseye
version that is not merged /usr.

So my proposal is to modify the bootstrap protocol, and unless an
administrator specifically requests a non merged /usr system, then merge
/usr.

My initial analysis is that you're making this more complicated than it
needs to be.

My assumption here is also that the change needed to the bootstrap
protocol is the same as the change that debootstrap has been doing for
years.
If there are additional changes that would be harmful when bootstrapping
stretch, buster, bullseye, or bookworm,
I agree it gets more 

Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters

[Ansgar]

Hi,

On Wed, 2023-06-28 at 21:37 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote:
> Among these options, the first has a working prototype (debootstrap),
> but it is unclear how that extends to use of snapshot.d.o and how to
> make it work with debootsnap and debbisect as those tend to use a
> suite name rather than a codename.

debootstrap allows using suite names as well. As their meaning changed
over time, the changes for conditional merged-usr also made debootstrap
extract the Codename from the Release file in case a user specified a
suite name.  These days there are a few other changes that might depend
on the release (identified by the codename).

As pointed out on IRC, this might not work for the combination of
"unstable" and using snapshot.d.o, but in principle that could be
handled by looking at the Release's Date field as well (but, meh, not
sure if we need that).

>  * It becomes a whack-a-mole, since we need to add codenames of every
>derivative to every bootstrapping implementation.

Well, shouldn't it already have become whack-a-mole then?  debootstrap
has the code for many years and is widely used after all... It doesn't
seem to have been a problem in practice as there haven't been
complaints since this was implemented AFAIK.  (Possibly users just
specify --no-merged-usr manually if needed; no idea.)

> Introduction
> 
[...]
> Regardless of what strategy we end up choosing here, we will likely
> keep some of the temporary changes even in the `forky` release to
> accommodate external repositories and derivatives.

There should be no additional work for derivatives.  merged-/usr is not
really something a Debian-based derivative can opt-out of and if some
distribution did so (say because of warnings in dpkg or for other
reasons), it's their own problem...

Ansgar

Accepted rust-nu-ansi-term 0.48.0-1 (source) into unstable

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amount of bootstrapping tools in Debian (Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters)

[Holger Levsen]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 09:15:30PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > to how you see things moving forward?
> Changing the bootstrap tools seems much safer. It is just two tools,

three: debootstrap, mmdebstrap and cdebootstrap.


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Re: Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters

[Luca Boccassi]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 20:38, Helmut Grohne  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> thanks for all the valuable feedback on the huge DEP17 thread. As
> promised, I looked into condensing that discussion into something
> shorter. That shorter thing still has more than 3000 words and is
> available as source at

After seeing the 3k words, I now regret having asked you for an update
a couple days ago :-D

> Consensus proposal #1:
>
> This updated DEP17 is a complete representation of the known and
> relevant problems and known mitigations under discussion at the time
> of this writing.

+1

> Consensus proposal #2:
>
> The primary method for finalizing the /usr-merge transition is
> moving files to their canonical locations (i.e. from / to /usr)
> according to the dpkg fsys database (i.e. in data.tar of binary
> packages).  dpkg is not augmented with a general mechanism
> supporting aliasing nor do we encode specific aliases into dpkg.

+1

> Option #3a:
>
> The bootstrap protocol shall be changed to contain a task for
> merging /usr as is done in debootstrap in a release-dependent way.
>
> This is an instance of M16 from DEP17.
>
> Option #3b:
>
> The bootstrap protocol shall be changed in unspecified ways to
> support the /usr-merged systems in a way that does not depend on
> matching the codename or suitename.
>
> This is an instance of M16 from DEP17.
>
> Option #3c:
>
> The bootstrap protocol shall remain unchanged. Therefore, all
> essential packages need to move their files out of aliased locations
> and the aliasing symlinks are to be installed from a data.tar of a
> binary package such as base-files.
>
> This is M2+M11 from DEP17.
>
> While a few people including Marco d'Itri and Sam Hartman have argued in
> favour of exploring the space of #3b, no proposals have emerged in the
> interim. The proposal in #3a has three significant limitations:
>  * It creates compatibility issues when combining old a new suites
>unless changes to bootstrapping tools are backported to older
>releases.

I have mentioned this a few times already, but: we already did this
last year, I backported a bunch of changes in debootstrap to bullseye
and even buster, to add support for usr-is-merged. I do not see this
as a "significant" limitation, merely some additional busywork that
I'm happy to take care of.

>  * It becomes a whack-a-mole, since we need to add codenames of every
>derivative to every bootstrapping implementation.

As we have learned recently, the project is fine if know-broken
changes percolate down to derivatives, it is fine to just document it,
and it is fine to let said derivatives do their own downstream changes
to deal with it as they see fit. I don't see why this case would be
any different. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

>  * It breaks bootstrapping from snapshot.d.o and therefore breaks tools
>such as debbisect and debootsnap.

Sure, some combinations might be broken, but do we even guarantee that
any combination from any point of snapshot.d.o would always work?
Seeing that just today there was an unintentional (and quickly fixed)
regression in an essential package that broke installation altogether,
it seems to me the answer is no. Hence as above, sauce for the goose
etc etc.

> While the first of these limitations is shared with #3b, the others are
> not and that would make #3b more attractive to me if there was a
> concrete proposal to evaluate. The one about unpacking base-files first
> seemed the most concrete to me, but it has the downside of imposing a
> permanent cost on bootstrapping tools even though we only need that
> behaviour temporarily, which seems like too bad of a trade-off to start
> with in my opinion. Did I miss a relevant proposal for modifying the
> bootstrap protocol?
>
> On the flip side, there is a demo for #3c showing that we can move most
> of the things except for a hand full of packages and then flip the
> switch (for bootstrapping) in unstable by uploading those packages
> simultaneously. The biggest downside of this probably is the inherent
> fragility of this approach. Even if this is extensively tested before
> uploading chances are good that we still break something unforeseen in
> the process.
>
> Can I get more feedback from those who rather not have #3c implemented as
> to how you see things moving forward?

Changing the bootstrap tools seems much safer. It is just two tools,
and we need backports to [[[old]old]old]stable just for debootstrap as
that's what is used on the buildd infrastructure, and the other will
be up to the maintainer how far back to go. The risk is contained to
the bootstrapping case, which _usually_ is a relatively 'safe'
environment, in the sense that there is some expectation that it might
fail and the runner is expected to deal with it. Moving the risk to
the upgrade phase of every single Debian instance in existence seems
inherently more risky to me.

> Option 

Second take at DEP17 - consensus call on /usr-merge matters

[Helmut Grohne]

Hi,

thanks for all the valuable feedback on the huge DEP17 thread. As
promised, I looked into condensing that discussion into something
shorter. That shorter thing still has more than 3000 words and is
available as source at

https://salsa.debian.org/dep-team/deps/-/merge_requests/5

and I also put up a rendered version at

https://subdivi.de/~helmut/dep17.html

and for those preferring to read offline, I'm also appending the main
file to this mail.

This still is a draft and it fundamentally still lacks the "proposal"
part of a DEP. What it does however is collecting all the problems we've
encountered in the discussion and most of the proposed mitigations and
it has gathered a few reviews already.

Consensus proposal #1:

This updated DEP17 is a complete representation of the known and
relevant problems and known mitigations under discussion at the time
of this writing.

Do you miss a related problem important to you? Do you miss your
preferred mitigation? Please speak up, so we can record it.

Stating a goal has been quite difficult, but I think that most of the
participants agree that we want to eliminate the file move moratorium
without getting problems in return. And I also hope that my listing of 9
problems is agreeable by the project. We may need changes still and we
may encounter new problems, but this tries to capture the best we have
right now.

When we get into mitigations, consensus is hard to come by. My
impression is that we have roughly two camps. One is in favour of major
changes to dpkg and the other is not.

Arguments in favour of changing dpkg (dubbed M1 in DEP17):
 * We change one piece and doing that fixes a whole host of problems.
 * dpkg learns to understand the current situation and avoids us
   applying a lot of workarounds.
 * A solution may be more generally applicable.
 * There is no urgency with moving files to their canonical locations if
   dpkg knows to identify aliased and canonical locations.

Arguments in favour of not changing dpkg:
 * We'd implement changes for one transition, but they pose a permanent
   maintenance cost that does not become easily removable later.
 * Even if dpkg were fixed in trixie, trixie's libc6 would still be
   unpacked using bookworm's dpkg. At least for this package, we cannot
   rely on dpkg changes in trixie. Therefore we need workarounds or
   spread the transition to forky. For other packages, even a
   Pre-Depends on dpkg is not a guarantee that a changed dpkg will
   perform the unpack.
 * Changes to dpkg will not fix bootstrapping.

There also is a minority arguing in favour of doing both. I've kinda
ruled out that option already as we get the downsides of both without
any further benefit in return.

My impression is that the (vocal) majority falls into the latter
category. The major alternative here is getting into a state where all
paths shipped in binary packages are not aliased (dubbed M2 in DEP17).
Therefore, I propose a second consensus call.

Consensus proposal #2:

The primary method for finalizing the /usr-merge transition is
moving files to their canonical locations (i.e. from / to /usr)
according to the dpkg fsys database (i.e. in data.tar of binary
packages).  dpkg is not augmented with a general mechanism
supporting aliasing nor do we encode specific aliases into dpkg.

I recognize that this is not unanimous, but I think we still have
sufficient consensus on this. I suspect that maybe Simon Richter and a
few more would disagree here. If consensus fails, we may have to put
this to a vote.

Once that is settled, the next big question is how to handle
bootstrapping. We had a number of people arguing in favour of changing
the bootstrap protocol. Such changes can be classified into generic
changes and release-dependent changes. A release-dependent change
enhances bootstrapping tools with knowledge of available releases and
adapts behaviour in release-specific ways that are encoded into the
bootstrapping tool. As it stands, the only bootstrapping tool that has
been enhanced in this way is debootstrap and that support is limited to
Debian and two derivatives. The category of generic changes includes
imposing an ordering on initial unpacks (e.g. base-files first). Others
are in favour of not changing the bootstrap protocol. In that view, some
data.tar will have to ship the symbolic links and all other essential
packages need to have their files canonicalized.

Among these options, the first has a working prototype (debootstrap),
but it is unclear how that extends to use of snapshot.d.o and how to
make it work with debootsnap and debbisect as those tend to use a suite
name rather than a codename. The last option has a prototype and relies
on uploading a number of essential packages in a short window of time.
(What could possibly go wrong?)

It is not clear to me how we can get to a consensus on these, so the
best I can do here is summarize options.

Option #3a:

The bootstrap protocol 

Accepted parcellite 1.2.1-4.1 (source) into unstable

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Closes: 1039682
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Re: Policy consensus on transition when removing initscripts.

[Russ Allbery]

Michael Biebl  writes:

> While I find this discussion really interesting, is this really relevant
> for orphan-sysvinit-scripts? After all, it doesn't ship any conffiles in
> /etc, i.e. it doesn't take over any (conf)files from packages that
> dropped their initscript.

> Have you actually looked at what orphan-sysvinit-scripts does?

Uh... good call.  *embarrassed look*

I'm sorry, I appear to have added a lot of noise to this thread based on
some entirely incorrect assumptions.  I also missed the (in retrospect
rather obvious) observation that the init script is a conffile.

I have now looked at the package, which I should have done at that the
start, and I think the points that remain valid now that I've corrected my
misunderstanding are:

* There is some documentation in the package about how to add a new
  script, but it's aimed at sysvinit maintainers.  I continue to think
  it's reasonable to ask maintainers who are dropping an init script to
  open a bug against orphan-sysvinit-scripts, although I respect the
  opinion that it would be better to automate this (and I do think
  automating it will be more effective in the long run, since we have no
  way of reaching maintainers that will get them all to open bugs or even
  be aware that they should, as much as we might prefer otherwise).  But
  we need documentation aimed at package maintainers somewhere, whether
  that be Policy, the Developers' Reference, the wiki, etc., in order to
  make that request.

* Coordination still seems like something we'd normally do with this type
  of transition, even though unpurged packages might keep their init
  scripts around and Replaces is arguably not required because of how the
  package works (although I don't really know what the interaction between
  Replaces and ucf is and would hesitate to say for certain whether
  Replaces is helpful here or not).  I saw Sam's argument that an
  uncoordinated transition here may be reasonable, and I don't have a
  strong opinion about this, although it also feels (at least to me) like
  the costs of not coordinating outweigh the costs of doing the
  coordination.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  

Re: Policy consensus on transition when removing initscripts.

[Sam Hartman]

> "Simon" == Simon Richter  writes:

>> It also seems a bit strange to require more from the maintainer
>> when they are dropping an init script than we would if a
>> maintainer started depending on a feature like socket activation
>> such that their packkage simply would not work without systemd.

Simon> This would be a case where the init script and the systemd
Simon> unit deviate in functionality. I don't see a problem with
Simon> that, and my expectation is generally that the people running
Simon> sysvinit and the people running systemd have different
Simon> expectations here anyway.

It would be entirely permitted under GR 2019-002 for me to build a
version of krb5-kdc that was compiled to depend on socket activation and
would not work without systemd.
I would not be required to provide any transition when doing that.
(To be clear, I have no such plans, and in the case of krb5kdc don't
currently think it would be a good idea).

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Re: Policy consensus on transition when removing initscripts.

[Simon Richter]

Hi,

On 6/29/23 01:56, Sam Hartman wrote:


 Russ> This feels like exactly the kind of problem that normally
 Russ> Debian goes to some lengths to avoid creating, but it sounds
 Russ> like several commenters here don't think the effort is worth
 Russ> it?



Normally, Debian spends a fair bit of effort to avoid these kind of
breakages.
But I think init systems other than systemd are in kind of a special case.


I agree, but it doesn't make a difference anyway.

The init scripts are conffiles. Dpkg should not remove them on upgrade, 
so no such window exists, unless maintainers explicitly remove these 
files, which would be "deleting user data" and therefore wrong, except 
in very specific cases.


Longer term, we might either want to also develop a strategy to remove 
these files, or decide to not bother because the impact is minimal, 
especially without the compatibility layer and with immutable images.



It also seems a bit strange to require more from the maintainer when
they are dropping an init script than we would if a maintainer started
depending on a feature like socket activation such that their packkage
simply would not work without systemd.


This would be a case where the init script and the systemd unit deviate 
in functionality. I don't see a problem with that, and my expectation is 
generally that the people running sysvinit and the people running 
systemd have different expectations here anyway.


Very few services depend on systemd and are completely unable to manage 
their own listener sockets, and those that do never had an init script 
in the first place and are not in use on any machine not running 
systemd, so there is no regression.


In general, the sysvinit crowd prefers "traditional" Unix daemons, many 
of which also exist on BSD, so these are unlikely to lose the ability to 
work outside the systemd environment.


   Simon

Accepted python-django-pgschemas 0.14-1 (source) into unstable

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Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

[Luca Boccassi]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 17:20, Ansgar  wrote:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 00:32 +0900, Simon Richter wrote:
> > According to Policy as currently published, systemd units are
> > encouraged, and init scripts are mandatory.
>
> Please stop lying:
>
> +---
> | Packages that include system services should include systemd service
> | units to start or stop those services. [...]
> |
> | If the package does not include a service unit (if, for example, no
> | one has yet written one), including an init script, as described
> | below, to start the service is encouraged.
> |
> | Packages including a service unit may optionally include an init
> | script to support other init systems.
> +---[ Policy 9.3.1 ]
>
> And no, this isn't exactly new. Except apparently for you.
>
> The real exhausting thing is people lying, FUD, spreading conspiracy
> theories (ominous commercial sponsors (Rothschilds? Soros?)), endless
> revisiting of decisions (should we prepare to revert usrmerge because
> the attention of ominous commercial sponsors might shift elsewhere?),
> claiming systemd is rot/cancer/an infection/the Windows registry and so
> on.
>
> I agree that this isn't a technical issue though.
>
>
> > That's the thing: few people want init scripts. I don't want init
> > scripts either.
>
> This very thread only exists because people want init scripts.  I agree
> that this is very few people though.
>
> > What I want is an init system that can be maintained inside a community
> > project like Debian without burning out people and endangering the long
> > term viability of the project.
>
> And claiming this isn't possible with systemd is one thing: FUD.
>
> > That is where systemd fails us as a community project, because the
> > environment in which most of development is happening is not
> > hospitable to community building efforts, and the complexity of the
> > project constitutes a high barrier to entry, which acts as a further
> > selection filter for contributors.
>
> More FUD.

Let's look at some community numbers for two init system projects in
question, we like to look at hard data after all, don't we. To spicy
it up, without mentioning which is which:

$ git shortlog -s | cut -c8- | wc -l
2318

$ git shortlog -s | cut -c8- | wc -l
7

Just from this alone, it certainly seems true that one of those is a
project that "fails as a community project" and that is "not
hospitable to community building efforts". Anyone want to guess which
is which?

Kind regards,
Luca Boccassi

Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

[Simon Richter]

Hi Russ,

On 6/29/23 01:58, Russ Allbery wrote:


According to Policy as currently published, systemd units are
encouraged, and init scripts are mandatory.



I thought I found and fixed all of the places init scripts were said to be
mandatory, but apparently I missed one.  Could you file a bug and point it
out?  That obviously need to be fixed.


It appears I have misread that paragraph. Neither are mandatory, just 
encouraged, which makes sense to me.



Policy certainy needs work.


What is definitely missing is the feature set systemd units can expect.

Since we're effectively delegating part of Policy to systemd upstream, 
this reference should be made explicit, and versioned. We certainly do 
not want to maintain our own copy of that documentation.


What is unclear to me is whether we want to include smaller policy items 
imported from systemd verbatim or by reference (i.e. is usrmerge a 
Debian policy, or a systemd policy?).


   Simon

Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

[Russ Allbery]

Simon Richter  writes:

> According to Policy as currently published, systemd units are
> encouraged, and init scripts are mandatory.

I thought I found and fixed all of the places init scripts were said to be
mandatory, but apparently I missed one.  Could you file a bug and point it
out?  That obviously need to be fixed.

Policy certainy needs work.  For example, it still makes no mention of
triggers whatsoever, which is a huge gap in its documentation of
maintainer scripts.  Unfortunately, while there is some energy to document
new and changing things, there isn't as much energy for going back and
properly documenting things we're already doing.  If we somehow miss the
window while the change or new thing is being worked on, it can slip
through the cracks.  I used to have a lot more time to work on language
for that than I do now.

-- 
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  

Re: Policy consensus on transition when removing initscripts.

[Sam Hartman]

> "Russ" == Russ Allbery  writes:

Russ> I think the open question is whether we're happy to just break
Russ> init scripts in unstable, since that migration path means
Russ> there will always be a window where a fully-upgraded unstable
Russ> system has no init script for a package that previously had
Russ> one and in the future will have one again.

Russ> This feels like exactly the kind of problem that normally
Russ> Debian goes to some lengths to avoid creating, but it sounds
Russ> like several commenters here don't think the effort is worth
Russ> it?

Normally, Debian spends a fair bit of effort to avoid these kind of
breakages.
But I think init systems other than systemd are in kind of a special case.

When I go back and look at GR 2019-002, I think the following are true:

* At the time of that GR, only systemd was  an officially supported init
  system for normal operation.  Rationale: GR 2019-002 allows
  maintainers to use any systemd facility within some broad constraints
  and does not require them to provide an alternative.

* At the time of the GR, services like elogind that supported
* development of alternate init systems *were important to support the
* development of alternate init systems*.
That is, at the time of the GR, when thinking about how important some
* breakage is, we need to consider two cases:

  * Does it break the systemd use case?  If it breaks things for someone
running systemd then Debian's normal approach to breakage is  in
play.  I.E. we try to avoid breakage and breakage of upgrades tends
to be a (often RC) bug.

  * Does it break things for people doing development of 
alternate init systems.

  * At the time of GR 2019-002,  init systems other than systemd were
only important in so far as they were tools in the process of
developing alternatives to systemd.  The use case of someone just
using an init system other than systemd outside of the context of
developing init systems or systemd alternatives was not supported.

My take is that the normal rules about breakage in unstable might well
be relaxed in such a situation.  After all the use case we care about is
explicitly the case where someone is actively working on the moving
parts involved.
It also seems a bit strange to require more from the maintainer when
they are dropping an init script than we would if a maintainer started
depending on a feature like socket activation such that their packkage
simply would not work without systemd.
In that case, GR 2019-002 leaves it entirely up to the maintainer
whether they will use that systemd facility and whether they will
support alternatives.

While we're thinking back to 2019, a few other notes:

  
* At the time of GR 2019-002, init scripts were explicitly supported as a
  way to start services.


* The GR explicitly allows us to change the position of the GR without
  resorting to a new GR.  Processes such as the policy process or  a
  debian-devel discussion are sufficient.  Rationale: it is a statement
  of the day, and explicitly has text to that effect at the top.

* So, it is fine that we're effectively removing init scripts as a
  first-class option for starting services and saying that the
  officially supported option is service units.

* It is possible that the importance of supporting development of
  alternate init systems has changed since the time of  GR 2019-002.  We
  are not bound by that GR.  For example we could consider what
  developments of init system technology have been facilitated since
  2019.

* Even if our position has changed since GR 2019-002, I suspect that the text 
from proposal F still sets a minimum bound on
  the support for init systems other than systemd:
>  We believe that the
>  benefits of supporting multiple init systems do not outweigh the
>  costs.
>Debian can continue to provide and explore other init systems, but
>systemd is the only officially supported init system. Wishlist bug
>reports with patches can be submitted, which package maintainers should
>review like other bug reports with patches. 

Here's some quotes from GR 2019-002's winning option to justify my
thoughts above.

  

>However, Debian remains an environment where developers and users can
>explore and develop alternate init systems and alternatives to systemd
>features. Those interested in exploring such alternatives need to
>provide the necessary development and packaging resources to do that
>work. Technologies such as elogind that facilitate exploring
>alternatives while running software that depends on some systemd
>interfaces remain important to Debian. It is important that the project
>support the efforts of developers working on such technologies where
>there is overlap between these technologies and the rest of the project,
>for example by reviewing patches and participating in discussions in a
>timely manner. 

>Packages should include service units or init scripts to start 

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Re: Developer Workload and Sustainability

[Ansgar]

Hi Simon,

On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 00:32 +0900, Simon Richter wrote:
> According to Policy as currently published, systemd units are 
> encouraged, and init scripts are mandatory.

Please stop lying:

+---
| Packages that include system services should include systemd service
| units to start or stop those services. [...]
|
| If the package does not include a service unit (if, for example, no
| one has yet written one), including an init script, as described
| below, to start the service is encouraged.
|
| Packages including a service unit may optionally include an init
| script to support other init systems.
+---[ Policy 9.3.1 ]

And no, this isn't exactly new. Except apparently for you.

The real exhausting thing is people lying, FUD, spreading conspiracy
theories (ominous commercial sponsors (Rothschilds? Soros?)), endless
revisiting of decisions (should we prepare to revert usrmerge because
the attention of ominous commercial sponsors might shift elsewhere?),
claiming systemd is rot/cancer/an infection/the Windows registry and so
on.

I agree that this isn't a technical issue though.


> That's the thing: few people want init scripts. I don't want init
> scripts either.

This very thread only exists because people want init scripts.  I agree
that this is very few people though.

> What I want is an init system that can be maintained inside a community 
> project like Debian without burning out people and endangering the long 
> term viability of the project.

And claiming this isn't possible with systemd is one thing: FUD.

> That is where systemd fails us as a community project, because the 
> environment in which most of development is happening is not
> hospitable to community building efforts, and the complexity of the
> project constitutes a high barrier to entry, which acts as a further
> selection filter for contributors.

More FUD.

> I don't yet see a clear path out of this. The only thing that is
> obvious to me is that this is not a technical problem[3].

I think we should consider removing sysvinit and init scripts from
Debian.  The non-technical cost of having them is too high.

Ansgar

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Developer Workload and Sustainability

[Simon Richter]

Hi,

On 6/28/23 22:42, Holger Levsen wrote:


I'm not sure Debian Policy is the best place to document this, because Debian 
Policy
documents what packages *must* comply with, while legacy initscripts are a thing
of the past which still are permitted (and liked & prefered by some), so *maybe*
src:dev-ref would be a better place for documenting those best practices?


According to Policy as currently published, systemd units are 
encouraged, and init scripts are mandatory.


We have GR and TC decisions that say otherwise, but the proponents of 
the systemd migration have, to this day, not done their homework, to a 
large degree because there are rather few people doing the actual 
work[1], and, as Luca indicated, that happens largely in their spare 
time after a full workday working on the same software.


This is not sustainable, and it cannot be made sustainable by incurring 
more technical debt[2], and we will need to address this at a project 
level soon.


A large part of the opposition to systemd is that this situation was 
predict(able|ed), yet people kept forging ahead anyway. That's the 
thing: few people want init scripts. I don't want init scripts either.


What I want is an init system that can be maintained inside a community 
project like Debian without burning out people and endangering the long 
term viability of the project.


That is where systemd fails us as a community project, because the 
environment in which most of development is happening is not hospitable 
to community building efforts, and the complexity of the project 
constitutes a high barrier to entry, which acts as a further selection 
filter for contributors.


This is why we are stretched so thin here: anyone we wanted to onboard 
into systemd package management we'd have to properly train for this 
role, we have no process for that because we didn't need one before, and 
everyone is aware that it will be a thankless job because a large part 
of it will be taking decisions made upstream into the project.


I don't yet see a clear path out of this. The only thing that is obvious 
to me is that this is not a technical problem[3].


   Simon

[1] a distinct group from "proponents"

[2] and pointing out that we are incurring technical debt is additional 
stress and makes the people trying to come up with solutions feel 
unappreciated.


[3] apart from the existing technical debt

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Bug#1039717: ITP: golang-maunium-go-maulogger -- Simple easy to use logger in go

[Nilesh Patra]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Nilesh Patra 

* Package name: golang-maunium-go-maulogger
  Version : 2.4.1-1
  Upstream Author : 2016-2023 Tulir Asokan
* URL : https://github.com/tulir/maulogger.git
* License : MPL-2
  Programming Lang: Go
  Description : Simple easy to use logger in go
 Maulogger is a simple and easy to use logger written
 in golang. Can be used in conjunction with zerolog.
 .
 This is a transitive dep of gomuks.

Accepted r-cran-tidyverse 2.0.0+dfsg-1 (source) into unstable

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Re: Policy consensus on transition when removing initscripts.

[Holger Levsen]

On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 03:15:24PM +0100, Mark Hindley wrote:
> Debian Policy no longer requires that packages which provide a systemd 
> .service
> file also provide an initscript. This permits maintainers who so wish to 
> remove
> initscripts from their packages. However, initscripts remain used and 
> useful[1],
> and uncoordinated removal can have significant effects on users' systems[2].
> 
> With the encouragement of the Technical Committee[3] and despite some
> unavoidable deficiencies resulting consequent on keeping initscripts without
> their intended package[4], orphan-sysvinit-scripts has collected and 
> maintained
> some dropped initscripts. However, the process surrounding this has not been
> defined in Policy. Indeed, #975075[5] contains a number of suggestions that 
> have
> not yet been followed through.

I'm not sure Debian Policy is the best place to document this, because Debian 
Policy
documents what packages *must* comply with, while legacy initscripts are a thing
of the past which still are permitted (and liked & prefered by some), so *maybe*
src:dev-ref would be a better place for documenting those best practices?


-- 
cheers,
Holger

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