Re: Potential memory leaks reported by Valgrind against some frequently used commands
On 03/01/2011 06:19 AM, ximalaya wrote: Hi all, [snip] BTW, I ever tried on Redhat Linux 9, no such problem. This is the interesting part. Is RH keeping their patches, or are upstream and other distros just not determining them worthwhile? -- I prefer banana-flavored energy bars made from tofu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d6dadb2.4010...@cox.net
Bug#615476: general: many binaries are linked with non-existent libtiff.so.3 library
On 02/26/2011 12:43 PM, Adam D. Barratt wrote: severity 615476 important tag 615476 + unreproducible thanks On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 21:25 +0300, sergey wrote: Some programs can not start because of missing libtiff.so.3 file. I suspect this is a local problem, as none of the packages in question depends on libtiff at all; I'm therefore lowering the severity and tagging this report as unreproducible for the moment. I found libtiff.so.3 dependencies in this files on my system: /usr/bin/gnuplot /usr/bin/xfe /usr/bin/xfview /usr/bin/xfwrite /usr/bin/multiget /usr/bin/xfimage /usr/bin/xfpack I've checked the copies of each of those binaries as shipped in squeeze on i386, and none of them appear to be using libtiff.so. Please could you provide the output of ldd -v $binary for each of the above? Sid's gnuplot depends on libtiff.so.4 which while obviously not v3, is at least a libtiff.so. $ ldd -v /usr/bin/gnuplot | grep tiff libtiff.so.4 = /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4 (0x7fc3655a9000) /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4: (I don't have xfe or multiget installed, so can't test the others.) -- I prefer banana-flavored energy bars made from tofu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d694f91.5070...@cox.net
Re: Default Homedir Permissions
On 02/18/2011 07:26 AM, Noel David Torres Taño wrote: On Jueves 17 Febrero 2011 22:18:25 Ron Johnson escribió: On 02/17/2011 08:58 AM, Roger Leigh wrote: [snip] Should it be locked down like Fort Knox? There's a heck of a lot of middle ground between Fort Knox and Hippy Commune. We are not a hippy comune, just two married people, but I like to hear music from my wife's home, and she uses to see documents that are on my home, so the actual default fits quite well for 90% of computers out there: home computers. One solution is be ~/Shared/Music ~/Shared/Documents. Another solution is groups. (If you want to use a computer, you should learn how to use it...) A third solution is moving all the shared stuff out of $HOME and into a separate partition symlinked back to $HOME. $ dir Music lrwxrwxrwx 1 me me 21 2009-03-20 16:30:56 Music - /data/big/share/music/ $ dir /data/big/share/music/ total 44856 drwxr-xr-x 16 me all_ages 4096 2009-03-20 16:31:12 ./ drwxrwxr-x 6 me all_ages 54 2011-01-10 16:03:46 ../ -rwxr-xr-x 1 me all_ages 13624815 2006-07-14 15:35:06 060714PodcastBigelowAstronaut.mp3* -rwxr-xr-x 1 me all_ages 2133908 2006-06-06 23:40:53 4400_theme_A_Place_In_Time.mp3* drwxr-xr-x 173 me all_ages 8192 2010-12-06 20:43:09 artists/ -rwxr-xr-x 1 me all_ages 1397888 2006-06-29 10:19:48 billy_west.mp3* drwxr-xr-x 2 me all_ages 4096 2007-09-04 19:55:41 cadences/ drwxr-xr-x 2 me all_ages6 2003-12-27 11:48:50 Childrens/ drwxr-xr-x 14 me all_ages 4096 2010-12-06 21:15:09 Classical/ drwxr-xr-x 2 me all_ages 4096 2007-12-07 10:24:50 Country/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 me all_ages 14 2011-01-10 12:58:54 Disney - artists/Disney/ -rwxr-xr-x 1 me all_ages 644906 2004-01-24 15:48:55 drwho2.mp3* -rwxr-xr-x 1 me all_ages 1216775 2004-01-24 15:49:38 drwho3.mp3* -rwxr-xr-x 1 me all_ages 368856 2004-01-24 15:48:27 drwho.mp3* drwxr-xr-x 2 me all_ages 4096 2009-12-08 18:08:25 Folk/ drwxr-xr-x 5 me all_ages 4096 2007-12-08 13:50:47 Holiday/ drwxr-xr-x 2 me all_ages 88 2007-12-06 19:38:22 Jazz/ drwxr-xr-x 2 me all_ages 125 2010-04-04 09:45:56 Lite_Rock/ drwxr-xr-x 2 me all_ages 73 2010-10-16 17:20:22 RB/ drwxr-xr-x 2 me all_ages 4096 2010-10-16 18:57:47 Rock/ drwxr-xr-x 2 me all_ages 4096 2010-12-06 21:14:35 Soundtracks/ drwxr-xr-x 2 me all_ages6 2007-05-31 09:51:03 streams/ -rwxr-xr-x 1 me all_ages 23748420 2006-04-11 11:35:17 SXSW06.INT.20060311.DanielGilbert.mp3* drwxr-xr-x 13 me all_ages 4096 2007-12-08 13:50:34 various/ -rwxr-xr-x 1 me all_ages 2610675 2006-08-20 22:21:56 Yugo.mp3* Think too on fathers accessing their minor child homes, The root password gets me just about anywhere I want to go. offices in which documents are property of the bussiness and not of any worker, etc. Since the documents are the property of the business, not the workers, they should be in shared folders anyway. -- The normal condition of mankind is tyranny and misery. Milton Friedman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5ebe09.5000...@cox.net
Re: What should we do with iceweasel/xulrunner/libmozjs?
On 02/18/2011 05:42 AM, Axel Beckert wrote: Hi, Mike Hommey wrote: - Push 3.6 to unstable and the last 4.0 betas/rc to experimental. Push 4.0 to unstable when it's out. That would be my favourite. I use Conkeror (which is a XULRunner application and hence depends on xulrunner) with 3.6 since it is in experimental and it works without problems since a year or so. Ubuntu has the Debian package with just slight modification of some defaults together with xulrunner-1.9.2 in Lucid 10.04 LTS. They just had to backport a few upstream fixes. [snip] Cons: We lose version 3.6, which has several advantages over 3.5, and keep 3.5, which is already very outdated. Right. That's why I want to see 3.6 in unstable as soon as possible independently of the state of 4.0. I concur with Axel. Been using iceweasel 3.6 since soon after it hit experimental, and stuff like vlc/unstable work like a champ. -- The normal condition of mankind is tyranny and misery. Milton Friedman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5ec1e9.2040...@cox.net
Re: Default Homedir Permissions
On 02/17/2011 10:55 AM, Martin Owens wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 15:24 +, Roger Leigh wrote: Yes, but like everything there is a tradeoff. A totally secure system is an unusable system. Having to instruct every user how to relax the permissions to allow others to access their files, or allow their web pages to be visible, is effectively pointless make-work if that was what you wanted in the first place. And for most people, I would argue that /is/ what is wanted. You don't want to make it harder for users, but this is where design can help. If we need to make a system which prevents cross user file attacks, then we could fairly easily implement these things: * Shared Folder, directory which is available to all users where they can put explicitly shared contents (MacOSX does this). Speaking as a (non-Unix) (non-DD and so no authority here) Administrator who is constantly pestered by auditors CISO reviews, I agree with Olaf, and think that Shared Folder is a good way to make this explicit. -- The normal condition of mankind is tyranny and misery. Milton Friedman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5d9ded.2080...@cox.net
Re: Default Homedir Permissions
On 02/17/2011 08:58 AM, Roger Leigh wrote: [snip] Should it be locked down like Fort Knox? There's a heck of a lot of middle ground between Fort Knox and Hippy Commune. Should it be generally usable, and easy for users to see each other's stuff? Only with the owner's permission. Privacy, remember? It's why we encrypt Wi-Fi and https exists. -- The normal condition of mankind is tyranny and misery. Milton Friedman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5d9eb1.80...@cox.net
Re: Default Homedir Permissions
On 02/17/2011 09:24 AM, Roger Leigh wrote: [snip] Yes, but like everything there is a tradeoff. A totally secure system is an unusable system. Why the black and white? What happened to grey? Having to instruct every user how to relax the permissions to allow others to access their files, or allow their web pages to be visible, is effectively pointless make-work if that was what you wanted in the first place. And for most people, I would argue that /is/ what is wanted. Most people want easy. It's why Windows is malware central. Remember that historically, multi-user systems have been about sharing and collaboration, not isolation in walled-off prisons. I know which type of system I want, and it's not the latter. I thought it was about sharing expensive resources. (But then, I come from a DP background.) -- The normal condition of mankind is tyranny and misery. Milton Friedman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d5da07d.9020...@cox.net
Re: Make Unicode bugs release critical?
On 02/14/2011 10:39 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
[snip]
The fact that naive Python programs work (honouring LC_CTYPE as they
should) unless you pipe their output to something is clearly a bug.
The fact that it's a specification bug doesn't mean it's not a bug.
It doesn't seem to work for me.
$ python -V
Python 2.6.6
$ LC_CTYPE=en_GB.utf-8 python -c 'print u\u00a3'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File string, line 1, in module
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xa3' in
position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
$ LC_CTYPE=en_GB.utf-8 python -c 'print u\uc2a3'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File string, line 1, in module
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\uc2a3'
in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
$ perl -v
This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
(with 51 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail)
$ LC_CTYPE=en_GB.utf-8 perl -e 'print \x{00a3}\n;'
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LC_CTYPE = en_GB.utf-8,
LANG = en_US.UTF-8
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C).
£
$ locale
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NAME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ALL=
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Re: Make Unicode bugs release critical?
On 02/14/2011 04:26 PM, The Fungi wrote:
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 03:57:44PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
It doesn't seem to work for me.
[...]
$ LC_CTYPE=en_GB.utf-8 python -c 'print u\u00a3'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File string, line 1, inmodule
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xa3' in
position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
[...]
$ LC_CTYPE=en_GB.utf-8 perl -e 'print \x{00a3}\n;'
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LC_CTYPE = en_GB.utf-8,
LANG = en_US.UTF-8
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C).
[...]
You probably don't have an en_GB.utf-8 locale (maybe you have
localepurge installed?). I bet en_US.utf-8 will net you different
results.
That's it...
$ LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf-8 python -c 'print u\u00a3'
£
$ LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf-8 perl -e 'print \x{00a3}\n;'
£
No localepurge, but when initially building the system, I only
installed one or two locales.
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Re: Make Unicode bugs release critical?
On 02/11/2011 07:36 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: [snip] UTF-16 is never, ever useful. It is a sad trap for win32 and Java developers, due to a bad engineering decision suggested, as I was told, by [snip] No, there is only one encoding left, as long as you don't have to talk to Windows. Never useful except for 90% of the market? (I wonder how SAMBA deals with it...) -- The normal condition of mankind is tyranny and misery. Milton Friedman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d55c263.90...@cox.net
Re: Installing Vmware v71
On 10/10/2010 08:04 PM, Tong Sun wrote: Thanks a lot, that's already good enough for me. Please tell me, ...but please don't tell debian-devel. (MFT set) Sorry, but I really can't get it. All over the web, people from other distros are sharing how they can beat it, but I just can't find a single post from Debian people how they deal with it, only the questions, no answers. Now I see that in Debian, at least in debian-devel, we want to keep it a secret. Maybe the next poor soul in Debian community will find this post, but I'll comply and keep it a secret. What you do is tell debian-*user*. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4cb295bc.8020...@cox.net
Re: teaching users how to submit good bug reports
On 07/24/2010 02:06 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: [snip] And then there is the (nowadays perceived) problem that reportbug needs a working MTA setup or at least outgoing traffic on port 25/587. Both ports are blocked on almost all my machines, so I still have not much bothered with reportbug. (I'd use it for when a maintainer tells me to use it as it will collect some information automatically, but thats it.) For at least a couple of years, reportbug has been able to send mail via the user's ISP's smtp server, just like he sends regular email. I'd bet that, given the correct ~/.reportbugrc options, you can also use smtp.google.com. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c4b7128.1040...@cox.net
Re: teaching users how to submit good bug reports
On 07/22/2010 11:42 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: [snip] But this is not a problem you can solve. You cannot avoid requiring some effort from users wanting to report a bug. For some value of some effort. MS Windows has a bug-reporting pop-up window that with the click of a button sends traceback info to MS. GNOME also has such a tool, I think. Windows, however, is a closed GUI-only environment which makes it easy for them to integrate such a feature into the OS and MSVC. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c487cc5.7090...@cox.net
Re: How to make Debian more attractive for users, was: Re: The number of popcon.debian.org-submissions is falling
On 07/21/2010 06:50 AM, Patrick Matthäi wrote: [snip] Or a better idea: * Provide semi-official images with non-free enabled (on cdimage.debian.org) of our releases. This is one big reason, why users decide to use Ubuntu instead of Debian. That's why I installed Ubuntu on my wife/kids' PC: the stuff they care about (no-fuss audio and video on an old PC) Just Work on Ubuntu but were a struggle on Sid. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c4760f0.8060...@cox.net
Re: suggestion about debian devel extension
On 07/07/2010 03:51 AM, j jj wrote: Dear Asheesh. It is very glad to disscuss with you. That looks pretty cool! What do you mean by put it under debian? I want to host the website under debian. Because the number of packages in debian is huge, it is beyond my capibility to build a website with 1/1000 packages in debian. It comes from debian , so it should go under debian. This means debian has the full control of the website, even dismissing. Do you mean at debian.org? -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c34a481.1030...@cox.net
Re: Waqf General Public License in Debian?
On 07/02/2010 06:33 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: On Freitag, 2. Juli 2010, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2010/03/msg00064.html ? It's funny... yes... but there is no discriminatory or similar content in it. Huh? It clearly discriminates evil-doers! I *think* that's sarcasm, but not sure... -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c2e020d.5060...@cox.net
Re: xulrunner 1.9.2 into sid?
On 06/28/2010 06:54 AM, Mike Hommey wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 05:36:11AM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote: [snip] Second, for the reasons given earlier, releasing with iceweasel 3.6 and icedove 3.1 would mean to avoid releasing with iceape 2.0. This may not be a huge problem, as we already didn't release lenny with iceape, but see below. Iceape is a beautiful piece of software, and I have run it in the past. But market share shows that Seamonkey/Iceape users are the minority, with Firefox/Iceweasel and Thunderbird/Icedove the vast majority. Releasing Lenny without Iceape was the best move, IMO. If Debian accounted for market share, it would dump a whole lot of packages. There are a lot of packages with less users than iceape. When you've got limited resources, you must make hard decisions. One of those decisions is whether to help a lot of people at the expense of a few, or the few at the expense of the lot. Quoting Aristotle: Even supposing the chief good to be eventually the aim for the individual as for the state, that of the state is evidently of greater and more fundamental importance both to attain and to preserve. The securing of one individual's good is cause for rejoicing, but to secure the good of a nation or of a city-state is nobler and more divine. Quoting Spock: Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c289659.60...@cox.net
Re: Bug#586589: ITP: swat -- Samba Web Administration Tool
On 06/20/2010 02:55 PM, Jelmer Vernooij wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Jelmer Vernooijjel...@debian.org * Package name: swat Version : 0.1.1 Upstream Author : Ricardo Velhotervelh...@gmail.com * URL : http://github.com/rvelhote/GSoC-SWAT * License : GPL Programming Lang: Python Description : Samba Web Administration Tool A web administration frontend that allows provisioning and configuring a Samba 4 instance. SWAT can be loaded from either Samba4 itself or be run through any web server that supports WSGI. swat is already packaged. Should this be renamed to swat4? $ apt-cache policy swat swat: Installed: 2:3.4.8~dfsg-1 Candidate: 2:3.4.8~dfsg-1 Version table: 2:3.5.3~dfsg-1 0 1 http://ftp.debian.org ../project/experimental/main Packages *** 2:3.4.8~dfsg-1 0 500 http://mirrors.kernel.org sid/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c1e8e88.7070...@cox.net
Re: Bug#586132: ITP: indicator-messages -- indicator that collects messages that need a response
On 06/16/2010 12:41 PM, Evgeni Golov wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: The Ayatana Packagerspkg-ayatana-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org * Package name: indicator-messages Version : 0.3.7 Upstream Author : Ted Gouldt...@canonical.com * URL : https://launchpad.net/indicator-messages * License : LGPL Programming Lang: C Description : indicator that collects messages that need a response A place on the user's desktop that collects messages that need a response. All that's old is new again... mainframe operator consoles have had this for 30+ years. That along with Rich Internet Applications makes me nostalgic for JCL, VOLLIE and rows of IBM 3400 tape drives! This menu provides a condenced and collected view of all of those messages for quick access, but without making them annoying in times that you want to ignore them. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c191911.4020...@cox.net
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
On 05/31/2010 03:21 AM, Fabian Greffrath wrote: There must be a good *reason* why Christian still maintains ffmpeg and mplayer in d-m.o even though same-named packages are also in Debian. Maybe he likes the extra work?? Maybe because he activates some 5 more built-in encoders in ffmpeg and links it against some 5 more libraries like libmp3lame and libx264, which we can't since they are not in Debian. That's what I thought. Thanks for confirming it. And no, it turns out he does not set value on collaboration with the Debian pkg-multimedia team or even attempt to keep his libraries at least binary compatible to the ones in Debian. OK. Please concern yourself with the multimedia patent and codec situation in Debian next time, before you post bullshit to debian-devel. LOL Let me quote siret...@debian.org : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/05/msg01131.html what licensing issues do you see in rtmpdump, ffmpeg or mplayer?! they are all (L)GPL which is perfectly DFSG compatible. Before you come up with FUD about patents, DMCA, etc. - pretty please don't. there is already enough FUD floating around. So, you say, concern myself with patent issues, and Reinhard says, ignore the patent issues. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c03af18.2090...@cox.net
Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)
On 05/31/2010 12:54 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On dim., 2010-05-30 at 21:18 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Clamz just moves some bits from Point A to Point B. I hope you don't use this as a definition of dfsg-free? Hardly. My (possibly flawed) thinking was originally raised here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/05/msg01136.html I just read http://www.debian.org/social_contract and it says nothing about the kind of *data* that programs can touch; only software, source code and the licensing of that source code is mentioned. Sean Finney seems to think the same way I do: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/05/msg01168.html better yet, tell me which item in the DFSG says that a program can't be Free unless all the purpose or data handled by the software is also Free. hint: there isn't one. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c03b082.3040...@cox.net
Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)
On 05/29/2010 09:47 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 19:33 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/29/2010 03:28 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 21:14 +0200, Felix Geyer wrote: clamz [1] has been rejected from Debian NEW [2] some time ago. The FTP assistent that processed the package was of the opinion that it belongs to contrib instead of main because it's only useful to download non-free content. The purpose of clamz is to download MP3 files after buying them from Amazon. You can download MP3s with every browser though and Debian even has many MP3 decoders in main. I don't see why this is a problem. There is another package in main that is similar in this respect: youtube-dl. Some material on YouTube may be under a free licence, e.g. http://www.youtube.com/fosdemtalks (though this isn't explicitly stated there). So to get in main, an app isn't allowed to *touch* non-free data? I think the policy being applied is that if a package is only useful in conjunction with non-free data, it belongs in contrib (just as if it depends on some non-free library). Thanks for the clarification. However, I just read http://www.debian.org/social_contract and it says nothing about the kind of *data* that programs can touch; only software, source code and the licensing of that source code is mentioned. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c024662.9080...@cox.net
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
On 05/29/2010 12:25 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Fr, Mai 28, 2010 at 22:49:43 (CEST), Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/28/2010 09:20 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Fr, Mai 28, 2010 at 16:00:27 (CEST), Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/28/2010 01:25 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: I'm going to package rtmpdump next week. On Fr, Mai 22, 2009 at 16:33:44 (CEST), Sam Morris wrote: * Package name: rtmpdump * URL : [hidden obsolete url] * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol A small dumper for media content streamed over the RTMP/RTMPE protocol. How will this be different from the rtmpdump (currently at v2.2d-0.0) in d-m.o? I didn't look inside the source package nor do I intend to do so. I note that it doesn't provide an librtmp-dev package, so it's useless for me. Even when you need to reinvent the wheel, it's usually useful to see how others built their wheels, and maybe -- just maybe -- add to their well-debugged wheel. not in this case. Some rights-restricted libraries stripped out? I didn't spot any restricted libraries included. What are you referring to? Christian created d-m.o for useful packages that can't be the official Debian repositories; mainly for licensing issues. what licensing issues do you see in rtmpdump, ffmpeg or mplayer?! they are all (L)GPL which is perfectly DFSG compatible. Before you come up with FUD about patents, DMCA, etc. - pretty please don't. there is already enough FUD floating around. There must be a good *reason* why Christian still maintains ffmpeg and mplayer in d-m.o even though same-named packages are also in Debian. Maybe he likes the extra work?? That's why, for example, mplayer and ffmpeg are in both Debian and d-m.o. please do your homework. you are evading my question, probably because you have no idea what you are talking about. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c02480a.60...@cox.net
Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)
On 05/30/2010 04:40 PM, brian m. carlson wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 08:09:52PM +0200, Felix Geyer wrote: On 30.05.2010 04:47, Ben Hutchings wrote: I think the policy being applied is that if a package is only useful in conjunction with non-free data, it belongs in contrib (just as if it depends on some non-free library). Many applications use downloaded non-free content. For example applications that display weather information, lyrics or album covers. Should they all be moved to contrib? The difference is that those tools provide a reasonable level of functionality with free data. So what? Clamz just moves some bits from Point A to Point B. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c031c6e.8040...@cox.net
Re: Archive area for clamz (Amazon MP3 downloader)
On 05/29/2010 03:28 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 21:14 +0200, Felix Geyer wrote: clamz [1] has been rejected from Debian NEW [2] some time ago. The FTP assistent that processed the package was of the opinion that it belongs to contrib instead of main because it's only useful to download non-free content. The purpose of clamz is to download MP3 files after buying them from Amazon. You can download MP3s with every browser though and Debian even has many MP3 decoders in main. I don't see why this is a problem. There is another package in main that is similar in this respect: youtube-dl. Some material on YouTube may be under a free licence, e.g. http://www.youtube.com/fosdemtalks (though this isn't explicitly stated there). So to get in main, an app isn't allowed to *touch* non-free data? -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c01b244.4080...@cox.net
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
On 05/28/2010 01:25 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: retitle 529974 ITP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol owner 529974 ! stop I'm going to package rtmpdump next week. On Fr, Mai 22, 2009 at 16:33:44 (CEST), Sam Morris wrote: * Package name: rtmpdump * URL : [hidden obsolete url] * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol A small dumper for media content streamed over the RTMP/RTMPE protocol. How will this be different from the rtmpdump (currently at v2.2d-0.0) in d-m.o? Some rights-restricted libraries stripped out? -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bffcc7b.7050...@cox.net
Re: Bug#529974: RFP: rtmpdump -- download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol
On 05/28/2010 09:20 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: On Fr, Mai 28, 2010 at 16:00:27 (CEST), Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/28/2010 01:25 AM, Reinhard Tartler wrote: I'm going to package rtmpdump next week. On Fr, Mai 22, 2009 at 16:33:44 (CEST), Sam Morris wrote: * Package name: rtmpdump * URL : [hidden obsolete url] * License : GPL Programming Lang: C++ Description : download media streamed with the RTMP/RTMPE protocol A small dumper for media content streamed over the RTMP/RTMPE protocol. How will this be different from the rtmpdump (currently at v2.2d-0.0) in d-m.o? I didn't look inside the source package nor do I intend to do so. I note that it doesn't provide an librtmp-dev package, so it's useless for me. Even when you need to reinvent the wheel, it's usually useful to see how others built their wheels, and maybe -- just maybe -- add to their well-debugged wheel. Some rights-restricted libraries stripped out? I didn't spot any restricted libraries included. What are you referring to? Christian created d-m.o for useful packages that can't be the official Debian repositories; mainly for licensing issues. That's why, for example, mplayer and ffmpeg are in both Debian and d-m.o. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c002c67.9050...@cox.net
Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system
On 05/26/2010 11:42 AM, Michael Banck wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:58:26PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote: I'm installing apache2 and have a web server - more or less working, I'm installing dhelp and ... magic, magic ... it extends the running web-server to serve the dhelp content as well. I'm installing smb2www and it extends the running web-server to act as smb client as well. How do they do this? There is some conf.d directory which contains config snippets for each of the packages. Yes, which feature I requested from the upstream of postfix. I got a stunning reply that it was a stupid idea, that it would be slow to parse, and that postconf wouldn't work anymore. So forget about having this in postfix, we must find another way. Eh, Debian can patch upstream software if it thinks it is necessary for inter-operation, that's the one of the major points of having a distribution. That would be some *serious* patching. Maybe, though, LaMont Jones (the Postfix DD) has a better relationship with upstream and could convince them that conf.d is a good idea. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bfd5ff6.8020...@cox.net
Re: Let's write a system admin friendly mail server packaging system
On 05/26/2010 02:29 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: [snip] Anyway, postfix is NOT the only package that we shall consider modifying here. As per my original post, there's loads of other components that are to configure as well. The question is: is there a will to do this job by other maintainers. I am myself strongly motivated for this, but I wont be able to do it alone. As was mentioned earlier, this can't be a Debian-only task. It's just too big and complicated. Upstream of all the relevant packages must buy in. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bfd86c6.7080...@cox.net
Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary
On 05/19/2010 05:36 PM, jaromil wrote: Package: itp Severity: wishlist Version: 0.4; * Package name : dirsum Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Dirk Bartleybartle...@chartermi.net * URL: http://code.dyne.org/?r=dirsum * License: GNU GPL Description: Dirsum is a command line tool to assist sorting out which directories in a filesystem contain the most bytes. It will sort all of the subdirectories of a selected path according to the total bytes of all files in them, including recursion through further subdirectories and mounted partitions. What does this do that existing tools don't? $ du -Sk | sort -nr | head -n10 131960 ./.Newsletters.Washington_Post/cur 115332 ./.Lists.Debian.User.history.2007q1/cur 90704 ./.Lists.Debian.User.history.2007q2/cur 87364 ./.Lists.Debian.User.history.2005q3/cur 80544 ./.Lists.postgresql.history.2007h1/cur 77712 ./.Lists.postgresql.history.2007h2/cur 77540 ./.Lists.Debian.User.history.2006q2/cur 77024 ./.Lists.Debian.User.history.2006q1/cur 75464 ./.Miscelaneous/cur 75008 ./.Lists.Debian.User.history.2007q3/cur -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bf4ff10.6040...@cox.net
Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary
On 05/20/2010 05:05 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: On 20/05/2010 11:21, Ron Johnson wrote: hat does this do that existing tools don't? $ du -Sk | sort -nr | head -n10 131960./.Newsletters.Washington_Post/cur not sure dirsum can do that either, but it's painful that du itself can't sort, since you can't use du -h before piping to sort. Eh? Filters and do-one-thing-well utilities are The Unix Way. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bf517e8.9020...@cox.net
Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary
On 05/20/2010 06:42 AM, Mika Pflüger wrote: Hi, Am Thu, 20 May 2010 12:05:50 +0200 schrieb Yves-Alexis Perezcor...@debian.org: On 20/05/2010 11:21, Ron Johnson wrote: hat does this do that existing tools don't? $ du -Sk | sort -nr | head -n10 131960./.Newsletters.Washington_Post/cur not sure dirsum can do that either, but it's painful that du itself can't sort, since you can't use du -h before piping to sort. Well, newer versions of sort added the functionality you miss, citing from the GNU coreutils manual [1]: ‘-h’ ‘--human-numeric-sort’ ‘--sort=human-numeric’ Sort numerically, as per the --numeric-sort option below, and in addition handle IEC or SI suffixes like MiB, MB etc (Block size). Note a mixture of IEC and SI suffixes is not supported and will be flagged as an error. Also the numbers must be abbreviated uniformly. I.E. values with different precisions like 6000K and 5M will be sorted incorrectly. Well that's not The Unix Way! ;) -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bf525bd.5070...@cox.net
Re: Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary
On 05/20/2010 07:34 AM, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/19/2010 05:36 PM, jaromil wrote: * Package name : dirsum Description: Dirsum is a command line tool to assist sorting out which directories in a filesystem contain the most bytes. It will sort all of the subdirectories of a selected path according to the total bytes of all files in them, including recursion through further subdirectories and mounted partitions. What does this do that existing tools don't? $ du -Sk | sort -nr | head -n10 Or, to compare it to something that my users can use too, You could put that in an alias in /etc/profile. what does it offer over ncdu. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bf52e00.4060...@cox.net
Re: Dual init scripts (or two init scripts in one package)
On 05/07/2010 09:35 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: Roberto C. Sánchezrobe...@connexer.com writes: Greetings. I am curious as to how the scenario described in the below message would work in Debian. That is, can one package install two init scripts? Sure. A package can install as many init scripts as it wants and needs. What about putting it's startup script in /etc/network/if-up.d/? Or am I misinterpreting it's purpose? -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4be5dbe4.60...@cox.net
Re: Bug#560088: ITP: python-portio -- low level port I/O for Linux
On 2009-12-08 17:42, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: 2009/12/8 Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk: I do hope not; this should never be used in production. But it may yet be useful in hardware development. Ben. I'm working on a parallel LCD interface with my custom PCB and I wanted interactive way to use parallel port. Found this decided to package it for myself and anyone else. Should my packaging be changed to i386 amd64 only? If libc provides these functions on every platform, then I'd say, no! OTOH, you might want to add to the Long Description a disclaimer mentioning possible cross-platform compatibility issues. -- scientia addo vereor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: cupt, the APT competitor
On 2009-09-28 14:28, Free Ekanayaka wrote: Hi, |--== On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:52:14 +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin jac...@debian.org said: EVL This mail is to inform that Debian APT suite now has a competitor named Cupt [1]. For the ones who don't know it, I'd like to point out that there is at least one other competitor/companion/replacement of APT: http://labix.org/smart Smart has been developed since several years now and it is in Debian. The code base is rather stable and actively maintained, and beside dpkg it has supports for other packaging backends like rpm and slack. It has a GUI too. Besides the GUI, how is this superior to wajig? -- scientia addo vereor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: udev and /usr
On 2009-09-04 07:46, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Sep 04, Gabor Gombas gomb...@sztaki.hu wrote: Incompetent, no. Careless, yes. Just think about the udev-related breakages in the past. And speaking about design, udev was originally praised because it can do everything in user space. Now, the authors of udev are proposing devtmpfs, because as it turned out, it's not _so_ rosy doing everything in userspace. What we have is the result of gradual evolution. People who can make accurate predictions 10 years into the future typically don't develop software. -- Wietse Venema on some aspects of postfix Whatever the cause, it breaks the FHS. I'd not call it incompetent or careless. Rather... narrow sighted and un-Unixy. Too PC-ish. Someone should have remembered that there are times when separate /usr and /var is A Good Thing. -- Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#544539: RFP: Linux Unified Kernel
On 2009-09-01 05:29, Ivan Borzenkov wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org --- Please fill out the fields below. --- Package name: Linux Unified Kernel Version: 0.2.4-1 Upstream Author: Insigma li...@insigma.com.cn URL: http://www.longene.org/en/ License: GPL Description: wine and windows drive model in kernel From the upstream website: The Linux Unified Kernel is a free, open-source computer operating system kernel project intended to expand the Linux Kernel to be binary-compatible with application software and device drivers not only made for Microsoft Windows but also made for Linux OS. Windows has so many viruses, worms and trojans, is it really wise to open the Linux kernel to infection by Windows malware? (Running under Wine is different, since it runs in userland, where everything else is protected from Windows stupidity.) -- Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian, universal operating system?
On 2009-07-27 01:11, George Danchev wrote:
Quoting Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net:
On 2009-07-26 17:00, Miles Bader wrote:
Chris Lamb la...@debian.org writes:
Agreed. IMHO, it is one of those phrases (along with Our priority is
our users) that actually means extremely little in practice, except
for
generating lots of hot air with nobody agreeing.
Our priority is endless surreal flamewars over minor technicalities
seems about right to me.
Anyone who *really* thinks that Debian actually, seriously claims to
be The One True Universal OS has been in the basement way too long,
and needs a little sunshine, drink some beer and go where there are
lots of pretty girls.
However, Debian is unique with its (controlled?) expansion in several
directions (just like the Universe): it is expanding (fast) as
developers and users, as packages and bugs, and last but not least as
kernels and libc's ;-). Surely, that looks quite universal to the pretty
girls.
If you go all etymological, then I guess you *could* say that Debian
actually *is* a universal OS. Just like that pesky BSD, which,
according to Netcraft, is dead.
Universe \Uni*verse\, n. [L. universum, from universus
universal; unus one + vertere, versum, to turn, that is,
turned into one, combined into one whole; cf. F. univers. See
{One}, and {Verse}.]
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Re: Debian, universal operating system?
On 2009-07-26 17:00, Miles Bader wrote: Chris Lamb la...@debian.org writes: Agreed. IMHO, it is one of those phrases (along with Our priority is our users) that actually means extremely little in practice, except for generating lots of hot air with nobody agreeing. Our priority is endless surreal flamewars over minor technicalities seems about right to me. Anyone who *really* thinks that Debian actually, seriously claims to be The One True Universal OS has been in the basement way too long, and needs a little sunshine, drink some beer and go where there are lots of pretty girls. Anyway... a little good-humored pomposity never hurt anyone. -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doom-Bringer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Considering the removal of ntpdate
On 2009-04-24 13:53, Frans Pop wrote: On Friday 24 April 2009, Frans Pop wrote: Florian Lohoff wrote: rdate ist not a replacement for ntpdate - it does not use the ntp protocol but the time protocol (builtin inetd) - So making ntpdate depend on rdate is not a solution as it changes the protocol and i dont think all ntp servers also open/support the time protocol. rdate also supports the ntp protocol. From the man page: -n Use SNTP (RFC 2030) instead of the RFC 868 time protocol. And JFYI, since Lenny Debian Installer uses rdate to update the system time during installs (rdate -o 123 -nvv $server) and we've not seen any issues with that. Something seems seriously wrong with rdate, or how I'm using it... # rdate -ncv -p -o 123 ntp.cox.net Tue Jul 21 08:52:29 CDT 2009 rdate: adjust local clock by 24.000529 seconds # ntpdate -q ntp.cox.net server 68.0.14.76, stratum 1, offset 0.000138, delay 0.06146 21 Jul 08:54:40 ntpdate[5494]: adjust time server 68.0.14.76 offset 0.000138 sec -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doom-Bringer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#516659: ITP: w3bfukk0r -- scan webservers for hidden directories (forced browsing)
On 02/24/2009 08:13 AM, Jon Dowland wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 07:27:43PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: But what (besides web crawling) is the (legal) purpose of that? And why does it need a word list? It seems to me that this tool is as open to abuse as nmap, ping, wget, and several other apps we distribute. The apps you specify have obvious non-abusive uses. What (besides penetration testing) are such uses for w3bfukk0r? (As Noah Slater pointed out, it's hard to lose a directory on your own machine...) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#516659: ITP: w3bfukk0r -- scan webservers for hidden?directories (forced browsing)
On 02/24/2009 02:38 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Dienstag, 24. Februar 2009, Noah Slater wrote: you can loose access to your machine... At which point you may as well call it someone else's machine. I ment loosing/forgetting the passwords Rescue disk! or the keys. You're hosed anyway... -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#516659: ITP: w3bfukk0r -- scan webservers for hidden directories (forced browsing)
On 02/22/2009 04:39 PM, Maximilian Gaß wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Maximilian Gaß m...@cloudconnected.org * Package name: w3bfukk0r Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Nico Golde and Andreas Krennmair * URL : http://www.ngolde.de/w3bfukk0r.html * License : MIT Programming Lang: C Description : scan webservers for hidden directories (forced browsing) w3bfukk0r is a forced browsing tool, it basically scans webservers (HTTP/HTTPS) for a directory by using HTTP HEAD command and brute force mechanism based on a word list. What is the *purpose* of w3bfukk0r? Besides fscking up the intarweb? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#516659: ITP: w3bfukk0r -- scan webservers for hidden directories (forced browsing)
On 02/22/2009 07:18 PM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/22/2009 04:39 PM, Maximilian Gaß wrote: Description : scan webservers for hidden directories (forced browsing) w3bfukk0r is a forced browsing tool, it basically scans webservers (HTTP/HTTPS) for a directory by using HTTP HEAD command and brute force mechanism based on a word list. What is the *purpose* of w3bfukk0r? Besides fscking up the intarweb? I think that the description explains that the purpose is to find hidden directories on web servers, presumably either your own or other people's. But what (besides web crawling) is the (legal) purpose of that? And why does it need a word list? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The feeling of disgust at seeing a human female in a Relationship with a chimp male is Homininphobia, and you should be ashamed of yourself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is the FHS dead ?
On 02/19/2009 09:24 AM, Guillem Jover wrote: [snip] Reiviving the FHS is great! Something that is bothering me a bit, though, is that historically it seemed to try to cater to Unix in general, not only Linux, even if most of the participants were coming from the Linux world. So hosting it under the LSB auspices might deter other Unix vendors to consider it or get involved, which would seem like a regression. Maybe hosting it on a more neutral place would be better? But will the legacy vendors make even more changes to make it even easier to move off their platforms? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is the FHS dead ?
On 02/16/2009 04:14 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Hi, I wanted to discuss the python-support directory tree location (and similar issues) with the FHS maintainers, however it occurred to me that the mailing list is completely dead, and the standard doesn’t seem very alive either. The last release was 5 years ago, and is starting to look slightly outdated. Is there a standards body still interested in moving forward with filesystem layout discussions? If not, shouldn’t we start our own standard? Has, maybe, it been merged into the LSB? http://www.opengroup.org/testing/lsb-fhs/ Present Status LSB-FHS2.3 merged into LSB 2.0 runtime tests. This test suite is now being maintained in the LSB CVS tree see http://www.linuxbase.org/test/ -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude replacement
On 02/09/2009 05:59 AM, kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote: I would like to ask you a little bit controversal question. As a user I miss a package manager based on powerfull dependency solver. Using APT in DEB-based distributions, I can easilly create some kind of problem, APT is unable to solve. This is because the APT is the worst dependency solver almost ever invented. Proof can be found here: If that's not incendiary... http://www.mancoosi.org/edos/manager.html As a SUSE user, I'm used to work with Zypper/Libzypp package managementm using SAT solver. Since Opensuse 11.0, Libzypp is the best, fastest and te most powerfool tool to solve dependenies ever used in Linux distribution. [snip obvious flamage] Smart is far more better and Zypper is the best. In addition, both SMART and Zypper has ability to manage repositories and keys, which APT is unable. (you have to dit souces.list manualy) Then use SUSE, and be happy that you aren't using that P.O.S. Debian Is there any chance to implement better solvers to APT/Aptitude, chagne them to multiplatform and far better SMART or porting the best Zypper tool from Opensuse? Just an Idea Hogwash. Your purpose is to start a flame war. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?
On 02/09/2009 12:28 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote: If jed can deal with files that large, sure. But if it expects to be able to load the entire file into memory - as most text editors do - stat() will be only the first of its problems. Old vi was able to work with files larger than available RAM. I wonder if any modern text editor today can still handle that. I've got a 23GB text file that vim 7.2.079-1 just won't see. more(1) processes it, file(1) processes it, but vim displays an empty screen with [New File] at the bottom. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?
On 02/09/2009 08:04 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 02/09/2009 12:28 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk
wrote:
If jed can deal with files that large, sure. But if it expects to be
able to load the entire file into memory - as most text editors do -
stat() will be only the first of its problems.
Old vi was able to work with files larger than available RAM. I wonder
if any modern text editor today can still handle that.
I've got a 23GB text file that vim 7.2.079-1 just won't see.
more(1) processes it, file(1) processes it, but vim displays an empty
screen with [New File] at the bottom.
Bug #514617.
stat64(ACCOUNT_TOLL_V20_200408.UNL, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0640,
st_size=23726916643, ...}) = 0
stat64(ACCOUNT_TOLL_V20_200408.UNL, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0640,
st_size=23726916643, ...}) = 0
access(ACCOUNT_TOLL_V20_200408.UNL, W_OK) = 0
open(ACCOUNT_TOLL_V20_200408.UNL, O_RDONLY) = -1 EOVERFLOW (Value
too large for defined data type)
readlink(ACCOUNT_TOLL_V20_200408.UNL, 0xfff19c4c, 4095) = -1
EINVAL (Invalid argument)
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Re: Bug#514639: ITP: frei0r -- a minimalistic plugin API for video effects
On 02/09/2009 12:42 PM, Luca Bigliardi wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Luca Bigliardi shamm...@artha.org * Package name: frei0r Version : 1.1.22 Upstream Author : Richard ora...@propirate.net * URL : http://www.piksel.org/frei0r * License : GPL-2) Programming Lang: C, C++ Description : a minimalistic plugin API for video effects frei0r is a minimalistic plugin API for video sources and filters. The What apps support this? behavior of the effects can be controlled from the host by simple parameters. The intent is to solve the recurring reimplementation or adaptation issue of standard effects. It is not meant as a generic API for all kinds of video applications. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Should 32-bit apps work with a 64-bit kernel?
On 02/08/2009 04:46 AM, Jörg Sommer wrote: Hi, I have the bug report #489917 that complains that Jed can't handle 64‐bit kernel structures. In this special case, the stat() return with EOVERFLOW Value too large to be stored in data type. Jed was compiled for a 32‐bit kernel and is run with a 64‐bit kernel. The error can be fixed by compiling Jed with -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64. Should I set this option for all 32‐bit builds or does it have any drawbacks? All of the 32-bit apps that I've had need to install run just fine with a 64-bit kernel. $ uname -m x86_64 $ dpkg-architecture DEB_BUILD_ARCH=i386 DEB_BUILD_ARCH_OS=linux DEB_BUILD_ARCH_CPU=i386 DEB_BUILD_GNU_CPU=i486 DEB_BUILD_GNU_SYSTEM=linux-gnu DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE=i486-linux-gnu DEB_HOST_ARCH=i386 DEB_HOST_ARCH_OS=linux DEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU=i386 DEB_HOST_GNU_CPU=i486 DEB_HOST_GNU_SYSTEM=linux-gnu DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE=i486-linux-gnu -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#510624: ITP: pigz -- Parallel Implementation of GZip
On 01/04/09 17:20, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 04 janvier 2009 à 23:45 +0100, Samuel Thibault a écrit : It’s already the case in HPC environments, and CPU pinning is certainly going to be used more widely as the number of cores increases. And that's a shame. Linux shouldn't be so happy to move tasks between CPUs... Actually it doesn’t. Since CPU affinity was included (IIRC in 2.6.16) it is much less prone to move tasks, and the performance impact of not using CPU pinning is small. Still, it is better to use CPU pinning since you often want finer control than that, and that’s especially true in multi-user environments where resources can be sub-host. Wouldn't it be better to bind a process to a chip, rather than a core, so that you don't run into cases where, after many processes terminate, you are left with most of the busy processes pinned to a single busy core while the others are mostly unused? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I like my women like I like my coffee - purchased at above-market rates from eco-friendly organic farming cooperatives in Latin America. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
[OT] American Slavery (was Re: Debian women may leave due to 'sexist' post)
On 12/29/08 03:55, Peter Tuhársky wrote: gregor herrmann wrote / napísal(a): Maybe you missed the old enough in Lisi's mail. In Austria for example equal rights between man and woman in a marriage exist only since 1975. Cf. http://www.demokratiezentrum.org/media/pdf/info_familienrecht.pdf Well, I've heard, that formally, a slavery has been cancelled just 1994 in some states of USA. Maybe some old Jim Crow[0] laws that hadn't been enforced in 20 years. Slavery, though, has been illegal since December 1865. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I like my women like I like my coffee - purchased at above-market rates from eco-friendly organic farming cooperatives in Latin America. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Adoption of Nix?
On 12/24/08 10:55, Drake Wilson wrote: Quoth Artyom Shalkhakov artyom.shalkha...@gmail.com, on 2008-12-24 17:17:28 +0600: It looks like you completely misunderstood the idea, so lurk before you post. Thanks. Debian List Search, list devel, author match artyom shalkhakov: two matches, all in this thread, not including your most recent two messages, also in this thread. Earliest post date: today. (I'm not a prolific d-d poster myself---mostly a lurker---but I also don't grant myself the social authority to drop lurk before you post on people's heads.) Quoth Artyom Shalkhakov artyom.shalkha...@gmail.com, on 2008-12-24 22:17:35 +0600: That's too bad for you. Shallow thinking doesn't get you anywhere. And a purity war against a huge established packaging system base won't get you much of anywhere either unless you're willing to do an awful lot of the work and demonstrate that the result is both superior in practice and sufficiently continuous that it's not just an entirely different system. (Actually, realistically, I think you're unlikely to get anywhere with this regardless, for other reasons.) Quoth Artyom Shalkhakov artyom.shalkha...@gmail.com, on 2008-12-24 15:08:20 +0600: I would like to accentuate that I seek an informative discussion, not a holy war. Yet I see practical issues being raised, and responses mainly accusing them of completely misunderstanding and shallow thinking. This is the kind of foolishness I pulled when I was fresh out of Uni and thought Academia knew everything. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I like my women like I like my coffee - purchased at above-market rates from eco-friendly organic farming cooperatives in Latin America. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is The number of stable users dropping fast?
On 12/23/08 15:50, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: In article 20081223203134.gh28...@tamay-dogan.net you wrote: From: pop...@tp570.private.x-x.net which is probably correct and since I am sending THIS message over the same relay mail.private.tamay-dogan.net I know, my Mailserver is working. You could try to set a different official sender address without the internal domain. It seems, courier-mta is trying to deliver the messages several hours without success and then it is working, but I do not know... I dont know about courier, with exim i can easyly see the delivery to my upstream relay. If it takes longer for your gateway to deliver it, you should see an error message? Slightly changing topic: with USEHTTP=yes, what do I look for in /var/log/popularity-contest to positively determine whether the info is getting sent? (I've grepped syslog for popularity-contest but don't see anything.) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I like my women like I like my coffee - purchased at above-market rates from eco-friendly organic farming cooperatives in Latin America. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Josselin Mouette and Planet Debian
On 12/19/08 17:18, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Russ Allbery wrote: Agustin Martin agmar...@debian.org writes: For the record, a similar expression also exists in Spanish, either with a broomstick or with an umbrella. Both ends are used in the expression. No sexual connotation implied at all. World is not that different, For the record, the same is true in American English (the colloquial phrase being a stick up your ass and regularly used without any sexual connotation whatsoever). I don't know if Russell's objections are unique to Australia or unique to Russell. The phrase isn't considered *polite* by any stretch of the imagination, and can be taken as quite insulting, but it isn't a sexual insult. Does the fact that the insult was not sexual somehow make it acceptable behaviour? His phrase isn't considered *polite* should indicate what he thinks of JM's comment. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Josselin Mouette and Planet Debian
On 12/19/08 17:47, Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Michael Banck [Fri, Dec 19 2008, 06:13:57PM]: Dear Norbert, On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:18:21AM +0100, Norbert Preining wrote: So if *anyone* here thinks he is up to define ethical, political correct, anti-sexist and all the bullshit, please do so, but somewhere else. Please use gender-neutral language when addressing a diverse audience. Please just heed his advice. Or realize that English's third-person neutral is it, which is certainly a rude way to refer to a person, whereas he is only considered rude by people who, well... I'd better stop right there. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Josselin Mouette and Planet Debian
On 12/18/08 06:26, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le jeudi 18 décembre 2008 à 23:04 +1100, Russell Coker a écrit : The above article concerns the damage that Josselin's actions cause to the Debian project. D-d-a is not that different from other parts of Debian, bad behaviour in other forums also hurts the project. What do you want to say, actually? Apart from the fact (that we all already know) that you can’t tolerate the very idea that people can have an approach to human relationships different from yours? Manners, Josselin, and discretion. There are some places where it's just not appropriate to blurt out whatever you're thinking. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#508990: ITP: dicomscope -- DICOMscope - DICOM Viewer
On 12/17/08 03:29, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mathieu Malaterre mathieu.malate...@gmail.com * Package name: dicomscope Version : 3.5.1 Upstream Author : OFFIS DICOM Team di...@offis.de * URL : http://dicom.offis.de/dscope.php.en * License : Copyright (C) 1994-2004, OFFIS Programming Lang: C, C++ Description : DICOMscope - DICOM Viewer DICOMscope is a free DICOM viewer which can display uncompressed, monochrome DICOM images from all modalities and which supports monitor calibration according to DICOM part 14 as well as presentation states. DICOMscope offers a print client (DICOM Basic Grayscale Print Management) which also implements the optional Presentation LUT SOP Class. BEGIN questionable verbiage The development of this prototype was commissioned by the Committee for the Advancement of DICOM and demonstrated at the European Congress of Radiology ECR 1999. An enhanced version was developed for the DICOM Display Consistency Demonstration at RSNA InfoRAD 1999. The current release 3.5.1 has been demonstrated at ECR 2001 and contains numerous extensions, including a print server, support for encrypted DICOM communication, digital signatures and structured reporting. DICOMscope is not meant as a competition for commercial DICOM viewers. The application is rather a feasibility study for DICOM presentation states. The program is not appropriate to be used in a clinical environment, e.g. for reporting. END Does this really have to be in the long description, or should it be in the README.Debian? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#508992: ITP: pvrg -- JPEG implementation from Standford
On 12/17/08 03:57, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Mathieu Malaterre mathieu.malate...@gmail.com * Package name: pvrg Version : 1.2.1 Upstream Author : Andy C. Hung ach...@cs.stanford.edu * URL : ftp://havefun.stanford.edu:pub/jpeg/JPEGv1.2.tar.Z. $ mtr havefun.stanford.edu Couldn't get fd's flags: Bad file descriptor Name or service not known: No such file or directory -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Bug#507451: ITP: iptux -- IP Messenger client for Linux
On 12/01/08 07:43, LI Daobing wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: LI Daobing [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: iptux Version : 0.4.1 Upstream Author : Jally [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://code.google.com/iptux Google Error Not Found The requested URL /iptux was not found on this server. * License : GPLv2+ Programming Lang: C++ Description : IP Messenger client for Linux iptux is an IP Messenger client for Linux. . It support: - auto detect other clients in the intranet. - send message to other clients. - send file to other clients. How does this relate to IM, or to older protocols like talk? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#507451: ITP: iptux -- IP Messenger client for Linux
On 12/01/08 11:50, Evgeni Golov wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:18:24 -0600 Ron Johnson wrote: Google Error Not Found The requested URL /iptux was not found on this server. http://code.google.com/p/iptux/ is the right URL Thanks. But still: How does this relate to IM, or to older protocols like talk? (The Google Translation of the URL doesn't make much sense.) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#505968: ITP: urlwatch -- email notifications of changes to URLs
On 11/17/08 03:23, Francois Marier wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Francois Marier [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: urlwatch Version : 1.4 Upstream Author : Thomas Perl [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://thpinfo.com/2008/urlwatch/ * License : BSD Programming Lang: Python Description : email notifications of changes to URLs This script is intended to help you watch URLs and get notified (via e-mail) of any changes. The change notification will include the URL that has changed and a unified diff of what's changed. The script works out of a single directory, so no need to install anything. State files are kept in the same folder. The script supports stripping always-changing parts of a page through the use of a filter hook function. urlwatch is only 140 lines of Python. The deb will be *tiny*. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA If you don't agree with me, you are worse than Hitler!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#505924: ITP: cwm -- a lightweight and efficient window manager for X11
On 11/16/08 15:38, Recai Oktaş wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Recai Oktaş [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: cwm Version : 20081115 (CVS snapshot) Upstream Authors: Marius Aamodt Eriksen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] et al. * URL : http://xenocara.org/ * License : BSD Programming Lang: C Description : a lightweight and efficient window manager for X11 cwm (calmwm) is a window manager for X11 which contains many features that concentrate on the efficiency and transparency of window management. It also aims to maintain the simplest and most pleasant aesthetic. What makes it better than all of the other lightweight and efficient window manager that Debian packages? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA If you don't agree with me, you are worse than Hitler!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#499917: ITP: esekeyd -- multimedia keyboard daemon for Linux
On 09/23/08 11:24, Krzysztof Burghardt wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Krzysztof Burghardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: esekeyd Version : 1.2.3 Upstream Author : Krzysztof Burghardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://freshmeat.net/projects/esekeyd/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : multimedia keyboard daemon for Linux ESE Key Daemon is a multimedia keyboard daemon for Linux. With the 2.6 kernel series it can also handle remote controls, as they are presented as keyboards. No kernel patch is required. It is a userspace program that pools /dev/input/event? interfaces for incoming keyboard key presses. Is ESE some special keyboard? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#499917: ITP: esekeyd -- multimedia keyboard daemon for Linux
On 09/23/08 12:45, Krzysztof Burghardt wrote: 2008/9/23 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 09/23/08 11:24, Krzysztof Burghardt wrote: * Package name: esekeyd Is ESE some special keyboard? Unfortunately, it is just random keystroke to make program name a bit longer. :-) :) So this is simply Yet Another Way to handle multimedia keys? What makes it better than existing techniques? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#498762: ITP: sdlbasic -- BASIC interpreter for game development
On 09/13/08 00:39, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 01:21:35AM +, Miriam Ruiz wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: sdlbasic Version : 0.0.20070714 Upstream Author : Paulo Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others * URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdlbasic/ * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: C, C++ Description : BASIC interpreter for game development sdlBasic is a small, efficient and multiplatform BASIC interpreter for creating games using the power of SDL library. It was inspired by the old and glorious AMOS. Does this mean supporting games written in BASIC? Why should it? You don't support all of the user apps written in basic256, bwbasic or yabasic. Is that really... necessary? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unsafe storage device unmounting
On 08/31/08 08:47, Neil Williams wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 13:51 +0200, Cesare Leonardi wrote: Cesare Leonardi wrote: In May i've sent the following mail to debian-gtk-gnome to signal this problem but since nothing happened so far, i file a bug: - Since some days i've noted (updated Debian Sid) that when i right-click on a usb stick icon and select Unmount volume, the icon disappear immediately but the unmount progress window doesn't appear and the device is still mounted for some seconds. Have you disabled dbus notifications? The point at which the icon disappears is not the point at which the drive is safe to remove. DBus normally raises a notification window Data is being written to the device followed by Device is now safe to remove. How does one check whether dbus notification is enabled? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bootstrapping (was Re: ITP: MUMPS -- ...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/17/08 02:05, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: Mumps is a computer language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS And there is a GPLed implementation of this at http://sourceforge.net/projects/fis-gtm which would be really interesting to package for the Debian Med project. The problem is the bootstrapping procedure (you need a running GT.M to compile the next version) and we just have no idea how to deal with this. IIRC (and I very well might not), doesn't gcc also bootstrap itself? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkh/hgMACgkQS9HxQb37Xmd34ACgzn3fJqBIWHFLhanDGH4L4HW/ ohUAoMoxeHsah+SSmw3duTyECTfvtN5Y =4T8s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ITP: MUMPS -- MUltifrontal Massively Parallel sparse direct Solver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/15/08 19:14, Adam C Powell IV wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Package name: mumps Version: 4.7.3 Author: Patrick Amestoy et al. License: public domain URL: http://mumps.enseeiht.fr/ Description: MUltifrontal Massively Parallel sparse direct Solver MUMPS implements a direct solver for large sparse linear systems, with a particular focus on symmetric positive definite matrices. It can operate on distributed matrices e.g. over a cluster. It has Fortran and C interfaces, and can interface with ordering tools such as METIS. Version 9.3 of Code_Aster (ITP 458812) uses MUMPS, so this package will play a role in that packaging effort. Mumps is a computer language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUMPS - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkh+Vl8ACgkQS9HxQb37XmeBqQCgi5KOXsNIDcNrBNX2MXx5efCB Jz0AoLE1p5vTaiiyhGzPPCJ9yDp9VsNn =2a/l -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Package management unsafe?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/attacks-on-package-managers.html What are people's thoughts on this? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkh3U88ACgkQS9HxQb37Xmf+2wCgvdLRdxkvuooBUTfp3hDdmpuQ VQsAoKROsnp8K0/OUiXlQBYD51JK3cLN =lhx1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#489824: ITP: pllua -- PL/Lua is an implementation of Lua as a loadable procedural language for PostgreSQL
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/07/08 20:28, Fernando Ike de Oliveira wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Fernando Ike de Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: pllua Version : 0.8.1 Upstream Author : Luis Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://pllua.projects.postgresql.org/ * License : MIT/X Programming Lang: C, Lua Description : PL/Lua is an implementation of Lua as a loadable procedural language for PostgreSQL The Short Description is way too long. PL/Lua is an implementation of Lua as a loadable procedural language for PostgreSQL: with PL/Lua you can use PostgreSQL functions and triggers written in the Lua programming language. . It brings the power and simplicity of Lua to PostgreSQL, including: small memory footprint, simple syntax, lexical scoping, functions as first-class values, and coroutines for non-preemptive threading. The similar Ruby deb-src package name is postgresql-plruby. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhy2GEACgkQS9HxQb37XmcU2gCgz5Hne4AAH/l9XIfZQsVjmh4y 9UsAnixusAhMQ6NzW6EwNpsktRX3xqXs =12Gr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Considerations for lilo removal
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/16/08 04:19, Mike Hommey wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:57:32AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: We still very regularly get installation reports where people use lilo rather than grub, so it must still have a fairly significant user base. I would say that the activity on the bug report shows the same. OTOH, aren't most of these choosing lilo over grub only doing so by habit ? Does it matter? Debian doesn't just have one web broswer, one MUA, one IM app, one scripting language, one word processor, one movie player, etc, etc, etc. So why should it only have one boot loader? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Kittens give Morbo gas. In lighter news, the city of New New York is doomed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhWNnIACgkQS9HxQb37XmdjQACghOfpn0VHd4bTToJmCM2XCaBx Sv8AoLQ+vE3tpCOKd0DkG6k5yFNLruXN =fOMf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What should postrm purge actually do?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/03/08 13:58, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: 2008/6/3 sean finney [EMAIL PROTECTED]: a purge should only remove files that were installed by the package or otherwise incidentally generated in FHS compliant locations. data created in users' home directories is definitely outside such a scope. i.e., if dpkg couldn't put files there, it shouldn't try to remove files from there. Fine. Although it always annoyed me that my $HOME filled up with spurious dotfiles whose origin I'm not necessarily sure of, and that a good installer could know to remove them if the package were purged. Or is there a better solution? (I'm not sure it is gconf) As a user, I'd be really peeved if postrm automagically deleted my $HOME files. An informational message saying that app(s) in this package created the file(s) $HOME/.xyzzy and gconf entries A, B C would be helpful, though. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I must acknowledge, once and for all, that the purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis., Mr. Spock -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIRZfDS9HxQb37XmcRApCzAKCTZPxi7mrrwstmdr3CvBSdirU0CgCeJ+jh ZYOAk1FNnd3nNtwwErGo+hI= =HQov -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Handling of removed packages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/29/08 08:01, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: Lucas Nussbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 29/05/08 at 13:24 +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: For some time now, I have been thinking about the problem of packages which are removed from the archive at some point, without an (enforced) transition to a new package name. Users of such packages keep them around, usually never noticing the fact that no security (or other) support is available anymore. Our current package management doesn't handle this case at all, so we might need to fix this - we just need to decide how. The probably easiest way would be to make apt whine on all packages that are not available in any version at one of the locations specified in sources.list. This trivial solution sucks, because locally created packages [1] also fall in this category. So, has anyone a good idea solving this problem, without needing to keepr masses of status/diff/bla files around? I usually run 'apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate' to find them. The remaining list is short enough to be analyzed manually. I don't think normal users do that - and users shouldn't expect to install Priority: optional packages to get a list of things that are not supported anymore by their distribution. Why not? IOW, why shouldn't normal users be expected to expend a little effort to maintain their system? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I must acknowledge, once and for all, that the purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis., Mr. Spock -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIPq0ZS9HxQb37XmcRAuN5AKCAzmedJn+wnvFEsUuBwHqbKq71+gCgvZCU lvZEWU+UH7B/R0hwsVDGjM8= =tWcw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mouse configuration during installation needs improvement
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/29/08 09:35, Stephen Powell wrote: [snip] Given most people don't use the console ever, installing a service that is only for console use by default is simply wrong. I'm not sure how one would know that most people don't use the console. I, for one, use it a lot. But even Amen. This is Debian, not Ubuntu. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I must acknowledge, once and for all, that the purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis., Mr. Spock -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIPslcS9HxQb37XmcRAsuYAKCeyvicHUjRnFrLMUjAptBEWAGVFQCbB08Y SXKM/1VgwXSniUZUGXddY0U= =WUBA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mouse configuration during installation needs improvement
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/29/08 11:25, Frans Pop wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/29/08 09:35, Stephen Powell wrote: I'm not sure how one would know that most people don't use the console. I, for one, use it a lot. But even I work mainly in consoles too but I have no use at all for gpm as my consoles are normally all in a graphical environment (KDE's konsole, either local or ssh sessions). ? The console is The Console, the keyboard and monitor directly (or via a KVM switch) connected to the computer. Amen. This is Debian, not Ubuntu. Correct. Which means we have cluefull users who know how to run 'apt-get install gpm' if they are heavy VT users. :-D Which I did many years ago. But it would still make it easier for us dual-use people, and not affect only-gooey users, if gpm were the default. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I must acknowledge, once and for all, that the purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis., Mr. Spock -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIPuZHS9HxQb37XmcRAq3vAJ0YHX9Y/5issNu/EJn0e0l93iLOWgCg4x3l os1HhbzIndBGN3JCXHaVn9I= =kiRw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What about use xml for descriptions of packages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/25/08 08:17, Neil Williams wrote: On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 15:07 +0200, Fernando Cerezal wrote: [snip] itemA description with lines/item Is an extra 13 characters per line, per description, per package. 13 x 10 x 20,000 = bloat. It would probably be more like one paragraph per item/item. pThe program foo is used for help you in your taskp img src=http://logo_of_foo.jpg; Now that really is out of the question - please remember that the packages descriptions go into the dpkg database which is already too big. What's an extra few MB plus parsing overhead when everyone has 250GB HDDs, multi-core 64-bit CPUs and 2+GB RAM? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIOWnUS9HxQb37XmcRAssUAJ4w+nYc+jGxTSGID8Y5LldxRfaMUQCdFva0 CVCmI+LtEmE0YjvljXmy/CY= =+o0E -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What about use xml for descriptions of packages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/25/08 08:34, David Paleino wrote: On Sun, 25 May 2008 08:29:56 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: What's an extra few MB plus parsing overhead when everyone has 250GB HDDs, multi-core 64-bit CPUs and 2+GB RAM? Well, and what about !i386, !amd64 and !powerpc ? ;) Suffer like the 3rd-class citizens they are! - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIOXbNS9HxQb37XmcRAs/3AKC7SGpRrXUE+QM06pN4bmf1nJlOvACg4kMs MrqrfpsAFSLEW8oqNl9hL9g= =/nRd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What about use xml for descriptions of packages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/25/08 13:03, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 08:29:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: What's an extra few MB plus parsing overhead when everyone has 250GB HDDs, multi-core 64-bit CPUs and 2+GB RAM? Huh?. Why commit good machines to the landfill? Because... Newer Is Better, Older is Eviler. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIOa8gS9HxQb37XmcRAnDUAJ43RuH5zivlYjGBjoHC8VrjMkAScgCeLadw gNbGuQM5Xsz3851GfxaSVaU= =pKYz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#482913: ITP: daptup -- see changes in new upgradeable lists after aptitude update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/25/08 15:54, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Eugene V. Lyubimkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: daptup Version : 0.2 Upstream Author : Eugene V. Lyubimkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://sf.net/projects/daptup * License : GPLv3 Programming Lang: Bash Description : see changes in new upgradeable lists after aptitude update Daptup runs aptitude update inside and then outputs two lists: - packages came to archive with this update; - new upgradeable packages. How is this different from apt-show-versions? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIOgfbS9HxQb37XmcRAr9qAJ4l4yKkZlTFiEHnPSAav+tHcgOizQCdGVqf AtWDEBmUT1sn3VcEpPcqeIQ= =07ow -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what about an special QA package priority?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/20/08 23:11, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: even though it's just a command line utility. Who knows what weird, unexpected side effects there might be from running such an app within a tight bash loop. none*. And not cleaning up yourself also improves performance for short running apps. How so? Gruss Bernd * unless we talk persistent resources like files or ipc. That's the point. And what if there's a kernel (or would that be a glibc?) bug? Since you can't know the future of your software (more than once, I've seen a one-off script or program morph-expand into an important and much larger app) or the OS it will run on in the future, it's always good to clean up after yourself. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFINCb2S9HxQb37XmcRAq4WAKCd+UGDDIKarUy7YuznusgS1ZxIeACfadoc 3uC4lFzrlrkckOFSJtJWJbQ= =Z30s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what about an special QA package priority?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/21/08 20:08, Andreas Bombe wrote: On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 08:43:19AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/20/08 23:11, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: even though it's just a command line utility. Who knows what weird, unexpected side effects there might be from running such an app within a tight bash loop. none*. And not cleaning up yourself also improves performance for short running apps. How so? The cleanup is pointless and takes CPU time. Consider a program that does a lot of malloc()s which it uses until it exits. If it really wants to cleanup, it needs to free() every single one which means updating memory allocation structures for every single block of memory that gets freed. And all that for nothing, as the process's whole memory space gets unmapped on exit no matter its contents (including the state of the malloc implementation's allocation management structures). I guess that working in the enterprise attunes me to the real possibility that little apps which do one thing then terminate can easily morph into big apps that run forever. Cleaning up after yourself just leaves fewer surprises for the guy who comes after you and makes unanticipated modifications. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFINNxsS9HxQb37XmcRAlOQAKDO4woqICg8GGO8DMknhxVjJEjW2wCgjYtM ON91J1pRnNvqsTg2eS4Mst4= =gey7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what about an special QA package priority?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/20/08 18:42, Nicolas François wrote: Hi, On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 05:21:07PM -0300, Luciano Bello wrote: [snip] For example: - It should be checked with debugging tools (like valgrind :P) It's not always needed. It may show some bad practices, but having a command line utility which allocate some resources (memory, syslog, files, PAM, ...) and does not free them directly (i.e. it relies on system to do the cleanup on exit) is not an issue. Still, though, it's Bad Practice not to clean up after yourself, even though it's just a command line utility. Who knows what weird, unexpected side effects there might be from running such an app within a tight bash loop. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA ESPN makes baseball players better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIM4mtS9HxQb37XmcRArSXAJ92VD0i7lBncKAt65cOo2J2s7aq8wCfUsfz NHsVsPSaxuuaWonjTRuLJ0o= =ee7/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#479206: ITP: libcurses-ui-poe-perl -- A subclass makes Curses::UI POE Friendly
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/03/08 11:03, Antony Gelberg wrote: [snip] This is a subclass for Curses::UI that enables it to work with POE. It is designed to simply slide over Curses::UI. Keeping the API the same and simply forcing Curses::UI to do all of its event handling via POE, This is a subclass for Curses::UI that enables it to work with POE. It is designed to simply slide over Curses::UI. Keeping the API the same and simply forcing Curses::UI to do all of its event handling via POE, instead of internal to itself. This allows you to use POE behind the scenes for things like networking clients, without Curses::UI breaking your programs' functionality. I think you duplicated some sentences in the long description. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIHLcQS9HxQb37XmcRAsWZAKCgOpD34Yq93rQSvYGeWvT6wHEBLQCgggIj IoKwJPSNGkTe3J7T+gEV1Ok= =b2a3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#478783: ITP: sequel -- Lightweight database access toolkit for Ruby
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/30/08 19:06, Sebastien Delafond wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sebastien Delafond [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: sequel Version : x.y.z Upstream Author : Jeremy Evans, Sharon Rosner * URL : http://code.google.com/p/ruby-sequel/ * License : MIT Programming Lang: Ruby Description : Lightweight database access toolkit for Ruby Sequel is a lightweight database access toolkit for Ruby. Sequel Doesn't that compete in the mind-space with Sequel, which was the predecessor to SQL? Probably too late, though, since the project already exists... - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIGXbUS9HxQb37XmcRApHjAKDRJWRL5Gut8BJmKqDhSJvUBj6IlACfavzP RIVKmKBO5qZ/lPHh6AQ7T3U= =pBKm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-multimedia-keyring/debian-backports-keyring in official debian repository?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/07/08 13:20, Luk Claes wrote: Peter Jordan wrote: Luk Claes, 04/07/08 20:05: Peter Jordan wrote: Hi, Hi why are the keyrings of debian-multimedia.org and debian backports not in the official repository of debian? At the moment you have to install untrusted keyrings before you can use these repositories. Because they are no official Debian services (yet?). but the repositories does not need to be official debian services, only the keyrings should be available over the official debian repository. No, as that would imply that they are or at least will be official Debian services and open the door for every archive provider to ask for adding their key... Governments need silly all-encompassing rule sets to appear fair. Debian doesn't. IOW, adding debian-multimedia-keyring and debian-backports-keyring doesn't mean that you've got to add every other unofficial archive keyring, even though that archive's owner screams that's not fair!. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+m6SS9HxQb37XmcRAlAyAJsEpZ7lo5n93H/zv+0ed8AB372SCQCg4J+b 3ViyXLNWSesIRcBSA0AtZ0E= =xs1z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-multimedia-keyring/debian-backports-keyring in official debian repository?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/07/08 13:53, William Pitcock wrote: Hi, On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 19:57 +0200, Peter Jordan wrote: Hi, why are the keyrings of debian-multimedia.org and debian backports not in the official repository of debian? At the moment you have to install untrusted keyrings before you can use these repositories. Because they are third party repositories and not affiliated in any official way with the Debian project. But these two repositories are very popular with users. A firm, unambiguous disclaimer in the package's long description should be adequate. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+m70S9HxQb37XmcRAgQrAKCITFv/IibuTTtjBBw3BvimIqpHLwCggn7u AH/wpg/+1MvgXYkrzcGjhUU= =y+xL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-multimedia-keyring/debian-backports-keyring in official debian repository?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/07/08 15:34, Luk Claes wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/07/08 13:20, Luk Claes wrote: Peter Jordan wrote: Luk Claes, 04/07/08 20:05: Peter Jordan wrote: Hi, Hi why are the keyrings of debian-multimedia.org and debian backports not in the official repository of debian? At the moment you have to install untrusted keyrings before you can use these repositories. Because they are no official Debian services (yet?). but the repositories does not need to be official debian services, only the keyrings should be available over the official debian repository. No, as that would imply that they are or at least will be official Debian services and open the door for every archive provider to ask for adding their key... Governments need silly all-encompassing rule sets to appear fair. Debian doesn't. IOW, adding debian-multimedia-keyring and debian-backports-keyring doesn't mean that you've got to add every other unofficial archive keyring, even though that archive's owner screams that's not fair!. Indeed, so we don't need to add these neither even though you scream it's unfair :-) Actually, OP and I are not screaming that not add the 2 keyring packages is unfair. There has to be a line somewhere and the current line makes sense to everyone, so I don't need we will change it... As is your prerogative... - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+sFrS9HxQb37XmcRArDCAJ0XboaceDYoLxknkV0ZmHx8JYXujACfQRKs H1FY+0KuHGQvVGs3ScG6ukY= =bLSm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#474016: ITP: desktop-data-model -- a library for Mugshot and Online-Desktop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/02/08 13:04, Julien Lavergne wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org --- Please fill out the fields below. --- Package name: desktop-data-model Version: 1.2.2 Upstream Author: Mugshot Developers URL: http://developer.mugshot.com That doesn't appear to be a valid address, It redirects to http://www.mugshot.com/ which seems to be just a bunch of links to scam and valid commercial web sites. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH8+lSS9HxQb37XmcRAny3AKDvGEySnVmR9WSIjMe4RfNZKfI6CQCeJ+jm a38qF+yxB1QdKgeup/aiKB4= =GyVZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#473096: ITP: witty -- C++ web framework and application server
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/28/08 12:35, Allan Wind wrote: On 2008-03-28T16:46:26+0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: Because wt is so short and common that apt-cache search wt returns and awful lot of results. $ aptitude search 'wt'|wc -l 55 $ aptitude search '^wt$'|wc -l 0 The above is just data and not a desire to affect the package name either way. It is a very interesting project so I am happy you are adding it. Still, though, two-character package names should *not* be encouraged. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH7W/uS9HxQb37XmcRAtfUAJ0SbCVsWz1hRYtpEW8ygjmd9RUKfQCfS0Gh IPurRI8TfcyHfRsotdPLo5k= =RYEN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The real reason DDs go MIA
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://xkcd.com/306/ - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH7bSjS9HxQb37XmcRAthWAKC0imm21+kfUuD3YxR1EI2SRUZLIACePZx0 mDVXd35W6Akh8brvYaE7nhU= =Us99 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BitTorrent and ISP interference
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/08 10:46, brian m. carlson wrote: [Ignoring the part of M-F-T that indicates Ben Finney, per his request.] On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:31:22AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 08:50:11AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: William, please follow the Debian mailing list code of conduct URL:http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct; specifically, don't send me individual messages that are also sent to the list, since I didn't ask for them. How many times do people have to cite this stupid thing before someone removes it from the website? I think it's a good idea. I'm not a DD, but I don't appreciate getting dupe messages from the list. procmail is not set up to handle them, and I read the vast majority of the lists I post to. I only wish non-Debian lists had the same policy. Following that rule would be much easier if Tbird and gmail had Reply To List. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH4orjS9HxQb37XmcRAo1EAKDF+xn8CJulmOkcU4noiv970UvNWwCfewQ+ XPcR/lGR03g+xm9mXuiy9HM= =YZZw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BitTorrent and ISP interference
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/20/08 11:18, Milan P. Stanic wrote: On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:03:47AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/20/08 10:46, brian m. carlson wrote: I think it's a good idea. I'm not a DD, but I don't appreciate getting dupe messages from the list. procmail is not set up to handle them, and I read the vast majority of the lists I post to. I only wish non-Debian lists had the same policy. Following that rule would be much easier if Tbird and gmail had Reply To List. Don't know for gmail but there is add-on for thunderbird/icedove at: http://alumnit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension In Iceweasel, it stopped working at around v2.0.0.6. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH4pa4S9HxQb37XmcRAkZsAKC2720coOnE8ig6uMTedUVLl8l9GwCcCHV6 76ybvlDBpIPlNtCHmAJOMsM= =00st -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blueray software, was: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/17/08 23:38, Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:16:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/17/08 04:47, Philip Charles wrote: [snip] worrying about. Even then bluray disc(s) will take up about the same space as a CD set. 21GB on CD is 21GB on Bluray. Physical space isn't an issue for us. On the host, you must mean. Ok. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Working with women is a pain in the a**. My wife -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH33KvS9HxQb37XmcRAoyXAJ9z58lWv+tf3hCWiFWd9d/Ww8kAQgCg5YDD XT4IhSP7ZpBw6/Fv+Q3PCsI= =QfmU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#471443: ITP: gnome-hdaps-applet -- HDAPS system applet for GNOME 2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/18/08 03:51, Adam Sloboda wrote: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Adam Sloboda [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: gnome-hdaps-applet Version : 20060120 Upstream Author : Jon Escombe [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://www.dresco.co.uk/hdaps/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description : HDAPS system applet for GNOME 2 This applet shows status of hard disk protection for ThinkPad laptops. Please add a definition of HDAPS to the long description. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH4IBvS9HxQb37XmcRAhAtAKCrGSLIYTdgin6gVvuY06Et1VqIIACg1KgN VfKKrxR4EoBbHQGP+qq04/A= =FZea -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blueray software, was: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/17/08 04:47, Philip Charles wrote: [snip] worrying about. Even then bluray disc(s) will take up about the same space as a CD set. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Working with women is a pain in the a**. My wife -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH3m9HS9HxQb37XmcRApLaAJ9fpfcPRhfJ8Z1hYsANam2M6FZLNACeOsL6 ntvF3DWNkTyVI3bIsayJVwc= =qIzV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#468183: ITP: monkey -- small webserver based on the HTTP/1.1 protocol
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/08 06:51, David Nusinow wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 08:02:39PM -0600, William Pitcock wrote: Why does a package need to clarify what's different about it than others like it? Debian is about having the possibility of choosing between many options for the same thing e.g. openssh, dropbear for sshd, 12 different httpd options, etc. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html I wish we had some more of this sort of thinking in our own project and a little less of yours. Maybe then we'd have fewer bugs in the packages people actually care about and use. I say we drop every WM DE except GNOME, because that will simplify the distro, and lead to *much* fewer bugs!!! Obviously, what I just wrote is nonsense, and should never happen. Because FLOSS *is* about choice. However... it is perfectly reasonable for a distro to say, We can not be all things to all people, so some limits have to be set, and some users/DDs will be disappointed. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA (Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into big productions. Pitr Dubovitch -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHyXm8S9HxQb37XmcRAnnMAKCWRkcS3Y81U1dJ6Qn3d28DiQj1DQCgks6M NSnyyHAhp+HFwPshl7wWb2M= =G95B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#468183: ITP: monkey -- small webserver based on the HTTP/1.1 protocol
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/08 10:14, David Nusinow wrote: On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 09:43:56AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/01/08 06:51, David Nusinow wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 08:02:39PM -0600, William Pitcock wrote: Why does a package need to clarify what's different about it than others like it? Debian is about having the possibility of choosing between many options for the same thing e.g. openssh, dropbear for sshd, 12 different httpd options, etc. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html I wish we had some more of this sort of thinking in our own project and a little less of yours. Maybe then we'd have fewer bugs in the packages people actually care about and use. SNIP stawman However... it is perfectly reasonable for a distro to say, We can not be all things to all people, so some limits have to be set, and some users/DDs will be disappointed. Which is pretty much what the message said if you bothered to read it. We should focus on the quality of what we do support rather than shoving everything imaginable in to the distro. Adding more redundant crap in to the archive in the name of choice just increases the number of moving parts, and thereby the number of bugs, that we have to deal with. Who makes the decision as to how much redundancy is too much? And is it crap just because it's redundant? For example, is micro-httpd redundant crap? There are no bug reports, so how much Security QA Team effort goes into maintaining it? - David Nusinow, who's a happy thttpd user and also doesn't see a need for yet another small httpd And I'm a happy GNOME user who doesn't see the need for KDE, XFce, fvwm, ratpoison, ion3, etc, etc, ad nauseum. (Actually, I do see a need for small WMs, and even though I see no need for 18 of them, that's not my call to make.) - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA The knife, the knife, the life of the wife is ended by the knife... Stewie Griffin Eliza Pinchley -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHyYZxS9HxQb37XmcRArVrAKDkGLOUjBw7zHrOD1xbD9KEMbNgxACeO1K8 B7nrKYfOihjz7OcwCg8uNDI= =iwgL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
