Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Michael .]

Daniel, since this rukus blew up and your announcement I have been
considering my involvement with Debian (I have even install Devuan to see
if that would suit my purposes). I don't have anything to add to my
previous comments apart from I hope you create a Debian Live repository or
PPA and let us know where it is located. Debian Live is to good a project
(and tool) to just let die. Many people, apart from myself, rely on Debian
Live (to create our own purpose specific distros, which is something you
know already) and its demise will create many problems downstream (which is
obviously something the "other" team chose to ignore when they started this
mess). I don't want to pressure you into anything, even though the crux of
this email is to highlight the problems that will occur downstream, I just
want to let you know that Debian Live does have a loyal following of people
who do use it for reasons that are to help others even further downstream.
Regards
Michael.

On 10 November 2015 at 03:47, Daniel Baumann <
daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.com> wrote:

> [ I don't know why this post is not showing up on planet.debian.org:
> https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-abrupt-end-to-debian-live/
> I am sending it here by mail now. ]
>
>
> An abrupt End to Debian Live
> 
>
> Debian can be great.
>
> But depending on who you are, where you come from, and who your friends
> are, Debian can also be hateful and full of deceit.
>
> Before even more of reality[0] is spin-doctored into some distorted[1]
> view of it, and before my past work is being discredited, I will take
> the high road and continue my work on Debian Live images on the outside.
>
> If there is one thing I did learn over the past years of agressions
> towards me, then that it is this: I am forced to blindly and
> unchallenged accept everything others decide about me or my work,
> resistence to the cabal is futile, anything goes, no[2] matter[3] what[4].
>
> Therefore, after having founded Debian Live back in 2006 and having by
> now almost 10 years continuously worked on it, without further ado:
>
>   Debian Live is dead, hijacked by the debian-cd and the
>   debian-installer Teams[5]
>
> The live.debian.net server will be shut down end of month, the Git
> repositories are read-only as of now and mirrored to GitHub[6] for
> archival.
>
> So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].
>
> Daniel
>
> [0] https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/08/
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg8.html
> [2] https://bugs.debian.org/497471
> [3] https://bugs.debian.org/759189
> [4] https://bugs.debian.org/754910
> [5] https://bugs.debian.org/804315
> [6] https://github.com/debian-live
> [7] http://live.debian.net/project/downstream/
>
>

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Ellwood Blues]

What about DEVUAN LIVE?
Couldn't it be a good move?

2015-11-09 16:47 GMT+00:00 Daniel Baumann <
daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.com>:

> [ I don't know why this post is not showing up on planet.debian.org:
> https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-abrupt-end-to-debian-live/
> I am sending it here by mail now. ]
>
>
> An abrupt End to Debian Live
> 
>
> Debian can be great.
>
> But depending on who you are, where you come from, and who your friends
> are, Debian can also be hateful and full of deceit.
>
> Before even more of reality[0] is spin-doctored into some distorted[1]
> view of it, and before my past work is being discredited, I will take
> the high road and continue my work on Debian Live images on the outside.
>
> If there is one thing I did learn over the past years of agressions
> towards me, then that it is this: I am forced to blindly and
> unchallenged accept everything others decide about me or my work,
> resistence to the cabal is futile, anything goes, no[2] matter[3] what[4].
>
> Therefore, after having founded Debian Live back in 2006 and having by
> now almost 10 years continuously worked on it, without further ado:
>
>   Debian Live is dead, hijacked by the debian-cd and the
>   debian-installer Teams[5]
>
> The live.debian.net server will be shut down end of month, the Git
> repositories are read-only as of now and mirrored to GitHub[6] for
> archival.
>
> So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].
>
> Daniel
>
> [0] https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/08/
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg8.html
> [2] https://bugs.debian.org/497471
> [3] https://bugs.debian.org/759189
> [4] https://bugs.debian.org/754910
> [5] https://bugs.debian.org/804315
> [6] https://github.com/debian-live
> [7] http://live.debian.net/project/downstream/
>
>

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

The most valuable asset of any project is its people. In a healthy 
project, participants treat each other with consideration. I am saddened 
by these events.


Daniel, thank you for your efforts on live-build, which has enabled me 
to create images to suit my needs. I hope that you are not discouraged 
by the way that you have been treated by some.


There is no reason why live-wrapper cannot coexist with live-build. Let 
users choose which best meets their needs.


Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Fernando Toledo]

El 09/11/15 a las 13:47, Daniel Baumann escribió:
> [ I don't know why this post is not showing up on planet.debian.org:
> https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-abrupt-end-to-debian-live/
> I am sending it here by mail now. ]
>
WTF?

I'm part of developer team for Huayra GNU/Linux [1] a debian derivated
distro that shipped in more than MILLON of netbooks to high school
students in past years. And today the State was delivered about
5.316.988 netbooks

I was very sad this news. Debian Live and specific tool live-builder is
our main build system and the BEST tool to make live systems. (including
compare on other gnu/linux distributions)

The Daniel (and another contribs) work was excelent.

Please, Debian developers must still support this project.


[1] http://huayra.conectarigualdad.gob.ar
[2] http://www.conectarigualdad.gob.ar


-- 
Fernando Toledo
Dock Sud BBS
http://bbs.docksud.com.ar
telnet://bbs.docksud.com.ar

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Thomas Goirand]

On 11/09/2015 10:25 PM, Brian May wrote:
> Colin Watson  writes:
> 
>> FWIW, while I helped the vmdebootstrap folks at the recent Cambridge
>> sprint with getting UEFI support in place, it was something of a
>> surprise to me to hear that their tool would be called "live-build-ng".
>> This seems pretty over the top to me and I was expecting it to be called
>> vmdebootstrap-live or something like that; at the very least, calling
>> something "-ng" seems like it sets pretty high expectations.
> 
> I only briefly read the bug report:
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/804315
> 
> It sounds like an email on the lines of "this is what we are working on;
> this is what we intend to call it" might have been a good idea when they
> started. So it doesn't come as a complete surprise when it happens.

It is at least to Daniel, so something is definitively wrong.

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Joerg Jaspert]

On 14121 March 1977, Fernando Toledo wrote:
>> [ I don't know why this post is not showing up on planet.debian.org:
>> https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-abrupt-end-to-debian-live/> I 
>> am sending it here by mail now. ]
> I'm part of developer team for Huayra GNU/Linux [1] a debian derivated
> distro that shipped in more than MILLON of netbooks to high school
> students in past years. And today the State was delivered about
> 5.316.988 netbooks

> I was very sad this news. Debian Live and specific tool live-builder is
> our main build system and the BEST tool to make live systems. (including
> compare on other gnu/linux distributions)
> The Daniel (and another contribs) work was excelent.

> Please, Debian developers must still support this project.

Note that declaring it dead is an action that Daniel did. He can easily
continue developing it, noone stops him from doing so. It may end up no
longer being the tool that debian-cd uses to create live images for the
Debian project, but it looks like there are more than enough other users
for it, so stopping it seems kinda like an overreaction.

-- 
bye, Joerg
(to my limited brain, Joerg is the nice guy proving the dark 
conspiracies of a ftpmaster cabal wrong)
  -- Jonas Smedegaard

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Brian May]

Colin Watson  writes:

> FWIW, while I helped the vmdebootstrap folks at the recent Cambridge
> sprint with getting UEFI support in place, it was something of a
> surprise to me to hear that their tool would be called "live-build-ng".
> This seems pretty over the top to me and I was expecting it to be called
> vmdebootstrap-live or something like that; at the very least, calling
> something "-ng" seems like it sets pretty high expectations.

I only briefly read the bug report:

https://bugs.debian.org/804315

It sounds like an email on the lines of "this is what we are working on;
this is what we intend to call it" might have been a good idea when they
started. So it doesn't come as a complete surprise when it happens.

Isn't that one of the reasons we have ITPs?

Also I assume there is a good reason why they felt they had to start a
new project as opposed to contributing changes to the existing project?
Sure maybe a rewrite in Python was a good thing, I can't comment on this
aspect.
-- 
Brian May 

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Ed Dixon]

So sorry to hear this Daniel! I feel what they have done here is so wrong,
but I have noticed they are very totalitarian in their processes. To do
this to someone who has contributed so much though is really stupid on
their part! I will definitely be forking here as prior versions fit my
needs perfectly and I have no interest in being a part of whatever this is
they plan to change it into. I hope you do not mind the occasional question
every now and then. I owe you so much in addition to the great softwareI
feel like I have become friends here with you, Ben Armstrong, and
Challis. I am sure this is not the end of where your amazing talents take
you please keep me in the loop and THANK YOU.

Thanks,

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:03 AM Daniel Baumann <
daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.com> wrote:

> [ I don't know why this post is not showing up on planet.debian.org:
> https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-abrupt-end-to-debian-live/
> I am sending it here by mail now. ]
>
>
> An abrupt End to Debian Live
> 
>
> Debian can be great.
>
> But depending on who you are, where you come from, and who your friends
> are, Debian can also be hateful and full of deceit.
>
> Before even more of reality[0] is spin-doctored into some distorted[1]
> view of it, and before my past work is being discredited, I will take
> the high road and continue my work on Debian Live images on the outside.
>
> If there is one thing I did learn over the past years of agressions
> towards me, then that it is this: I am forced to blindly and
> unchallenged accept everything others decide about me or my work,
> resistence to the cabal is futile, anything goes, no[2] matter[3] what[4].
>
> Therefore, after having founded Debian Live back in 2006 and having by
> now almost 10 years continuously worked on it, without further ado:
>
>   Debian Live is dead, hijacked by the debian-cd and the
>   debian-installer Teams[5]
>
> The live.debian.net server will be shut down end of month, the Git
> repositories are read-only as of now and mirrored to GitHub[6] for
> archival.
>
> So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].
>
> Daniel
>
> [0] https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/08/
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg8.html
> [2] https://bugs.debian.org/497471
> [3] https://bugs.debian.org/759189
> [4] https://bugs.debian.org/754910
> [5] https://bugs.debian.org/804315
> [6] https://github.com/debian-live
> [7] http://live.debian.net/project/downstream/
>
>

An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Daniel Baumann]

[ I don't know why this post is not showing up on planet.debian.org:
https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-abrupt-end-to-debian-live/
I am sending it here by mail now. ]


An abrupt End to Debian Live


Debian can be great.

But depending on who you are, where you come from, and who your friends
are, Debian can also be hateful and full of deceit.

Before even more of reality[0] is spin-doctored into some distorted[1]
view of it, and before my past work is being discredited, I will take
the high road and continue my work on Debian Live images on the outside.

If there is one thing I did learn over the past years of agressions
towards me, then that it is this: I am forced to blindly and
unchallenged accept everything others decide about me or my work,
resistence to the cabal is futile, anything goes, no[2] matter[3] what[4].

Therefore, after having founded Debian Live back in 2006 and having by
now almost 10 years continuously worked on it, without further ado:

  Debian Live is dead, hijacked by the debian-cd and the
  debian-installer Teams[5]

The live.debian.net server will be shut down end of month, the Git
repositories are read-only as of now and mirrored to GitHub[6] for archival.

So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].

Daniel

[0] https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/08/
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg8.html
[2] https://bugs.debian.org/497471
[3] https://bugs.debian.org/759189
[4] https://bugs.debian.org/754910
[5] https://bugs.debian.org/804315
[6] https://github.com/debian-live
[7] http://live.debian.net/project/downstream/

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 05:47:09PM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> [5] https://bugs.debian.org/804315

FWIW, while I helped the vmdebootstrap folks at the recent Cambridge
sprint with getting UEFI support in place, it was something of a
surprise to me to hear that their tool would be called "live-build-ng".
This seems pretty over the top to me and I was expecting it to be called
vmdebootstrap-live or something like that; at the very least, calling
something "-ng" seems like it sets pretty high expectations.

-- 
Colin Watson   [cjwat...@debian.org]

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Kay Hannay]

Hello Daniel,

I'm really sorry to hear that! I would like to say thank you for
your hard work on the live-build project. This tool is/was really
helpful to realize my little project and I was happy when I found
this great solution back in 2009.

All what I have read in regard to the end of Debian live makes me
feel sad. What is currently happening feels very wrong to me. It
makes me think different of the Debian project.

I wish you all the best! THANK YOU very much!

Kind regards
Kay


Am 09.11.2015 um 17:47 schrieb Daniel Baumann:
> [ I don't know why this post is not showing up on planet.debian.org:
> https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-abrupt-end-to-debian-live/
> I am sending it here by mail now. ]
> 
> 
> An abrupt End to Debian Live
> 
> 
> Debian can be great.
> 
> But depending on who you are, where you come from, and who your friends
> are, Debian can also be hateful and full of deceit.
> 
> Before even more of reality[0] is spin-doctored into some distorted[1]
> view of it, and before my past work is being discredited, I will take
> the high road and continue my work on Debian Live images on the outside.
> 
> If there is one thing I did learn over the past years of agressions
> towards me, then that it is this: I am forced to blindly and
> unchallenged accept everything others decide about me or my work,
> resistence to the cabal is futile, anything goes, no[2] matter[3] what[4].
> 
> Therefore, after having founded Debian Live back in 2006 and having by
> now almost 10 years continuously worked on it, without further ado:
> 
>   Debian Live is dead, hijacked by the debian-cd and the
>   debian-installer Teams[5]
> 
> The live.debian.net server will be shut down end of month, the Git
> repositories are read-only as of now and mirrored to GitHub[6] for archival.
> 
> So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].
> 
> Daniel
> 
> [0] https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/08/
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg8.html
> [2] https://bugs.debian.org/497471
> [3] https://bugs.debian.org/759189
> [4] https://bugs.debian.org/754910
> [5] https://bugs.debian.org/804315
> [6] https://github.com/debian-live
> [7] http://live.debian.net/project/downstream/
> 
> 

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Ben Finney]

Daniel Baumann  writes:

> The live.debian.net server will be shut down end of month, the Git
> repositories are read-only as of now and mirrored to GitHub[6] for
> archival.
>
> So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].

Sorry to see it come to this.

Thank you for scrupulously tracing the history of this issue so people
(like me) ignorant of that history can catch up to understand the
positions of the various parties involved.

Thank you, also, for your work on ‘live-build’, and for ensuring it
remains available should others want to continue.

-- 
 \  “We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't |
  `\scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what |
_o__) annoys me.” —Jack Handey |
Ben Finney

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Ben Armstrong]

On 09/11/15 12:47 PM, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].
>
> Daniel
>
> [7] http://live.debian.net/project/downstream/
>

Enough bitter words have been said. I don't want to add any more. So:

I'm proud.

Indeed, that long list of downstreams does speak to the impact you've
had in inspiring and equipping people to make their own live images. I'm
proud to have been a small part of this project.

I'm thankful.

I'm thankful that I was able to, through this project, contribute to
something for a while that had a positive impact on many people, and
made Debian more awesome.

I remember the good times.

I remember fondly the good times we had in the project's heyday. I
certainly found your enthusiasm and vision for the project, Daniel,
personally inspiring. It motivated me to contribute. Debconf10 was a
highlight among those experiences, but also I had many good times and
made many friendships online, too.

I'm sad.

I'm sad, because although I made some attempts to liaise between Debian
Live and the CD and Installer teams, I don't feel I did an effective job
there, and that contributed to the situation we now find ourselves in.
If I did you or the project injury in trying to fulfill that role,
please forgive me.

I'm hopeful.

I'm hopeful that whichever way we all go from here, that the bitterness
will not be forever. That we'll heal. That we'll have learned. That
we'll move on to accomplish new things, bigger and better things.

Thank you, Daniel. Thank you, Debian Live team.

Ben




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Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[chals]

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Ben Armstrong
 wrote:
> On 09/11/15 12:47 PM, Daniel Baumann wrote:
>> So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> [7] http://live.debian.net/project/downstream/
>>
>
> Enough bitter words have been said. I don't want to add any more. So:
>

Those are beautiful words, Ben.

I hope we can continue collaborating in some other project soon. I
have learnt many many things working with you, Daniel, Ralph, Richard
and so many other people who have contributed to the project.

Thanks for the debian-live project.

-- 
chals
www.chalsattack.com
ch...@chalsattack.com

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Steven Shiau]

Hi Daniel,
I am really sorry to hear this. Back to 2007 we were happy to find 
Debian live so that we could create Clonezilla live easily in these 
years. It's really sad to see this happening.
Thanks for all your efforts and thanks to all the Debian-live project 
members.


Best regards,
Steven.

On 11/10/2015 AM 12:47, Daniel Baumann wrote:

[ I don't know why this post is not showing up on planet.debian.org:
https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-abrupt-end-to-debian-live/
I am sending it here by mail now. ]


An abrupt End to Debian Live


Debian can be great.

But depending on who you are, where you come from, and who your friends
are, Debian can also be hateful and full of deceit.

Before even more of reality[0] is spin-doctored into some distorted[1]
view of it, and before my past work is being discredited, I will take
the high road and continue my work on Debian Live images on the outside.

If there is one thing I did learn over the past years of agressions
towards me, then that it is this: I am forced to blindly and
unchallenged accept everything others decide about me or my work,
resistence to the cabal is futile, anything goes, no[2] matter[3] what[4].

Therefore, after having founded Debian Live back in 2006 and having by
now almost 10 years continuously worked on it, without further ado:

   Debian Live is dead, hijacked by the debian-cd and the
   debian-installer Teams[5]

The live.debian.net server will be shut down end of month, the Git
repositories are read-only as of now and mirrored to GitHub[6] for archival.

So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].

Daniel

[0] https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/08/
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg8.html
[2] https://bugs.debian.org/497471
[3] https://bugs.debian.org/759189
[4] https://bugs.debian.org/754910
[5] https://bugs.debian.org/804315
[6] https://github.com/debian-live
[7] http://live.debian.net/project/downstream/



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Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Diederik de Haas]

On Monday 09 November 2015 17:47:09 Daniel Baumann wrote:
> An abrupt End to Debian Live

I am extremely saddened by what happened and I find it disgraceful the way it 
happened. 
I feel very proud that Debian Live was one of the first Debian projects I 
actually made a contribution to and seeing my name in the changelog is really 
cool. The whole Debian Live community was really welcoming and you really made 
a difference by guiding me through my first contributions ... apart from this 
wonderful project you started.

So I'd like to say a BIG thank you, Daniel!

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Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[chals]

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Daniel Baumann
<daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.com> wrote:
> [ I don't know why this post is not showing up on planet.debian.org:
> https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-abrupt-end-to-debian-live/
> I am sending it here by mail now. ]
>
>
> An abrupt End to Debian Live
> 
>
>   Debian Live is dead, hijacked by the debian-cd and the
>   debian-installer Teams[5]
>

It is sad to see the end of such a great project, the project you
envisioned and fostered from the very beginning until the end.

I am helpless because I am witnessing an injustice and no matter what
I say I can't seem to change anything. I think that your decision is
understandable. I would have probably done the same thing. But I will
not shut up, I'll speak up and let everybody know that what you say is
true. Your project has been sadly hijacked in a very sad way by people
who think they have the right to do so. Shame on them.

>From a personal point of view, I am glad to have met you and be able
to contribute to your project. I hope we meet in the future in some
other project.

The rest is silence...

-- 
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www.chalsattack.com
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Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Russell Stuart]

On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 17:47 +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> An abrupt End to Debian Live

As a person who recently used Debian Live to set up a PXE boot image
after trying several different alternatives including debian-cd, I am
sorry to hear this and sad to see debian-live go.  It will be missed, by
me at least.  It saved me a lot of time.

Not only that, but it was an impressive piece of software that as a DD I
was proud to point to.  I've built live boot systems from RedHat,
debian-installer, DSL and a number of others over the years.  Nothing
else came close to debian-live in flexibility.  It was literally a
breath of fresh air to me - the tool everyone in working in that space
should be emulating.  Despite it's flexibility it also managed to be
simple to use - it did what it said on the box, the documentation was
good and the interface was straightforward to use.

All in all, a credit to those who designed it and worked on it.  I wish
you all well.


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Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Richard Nelson]

Greetings,

Well said.

I only add that if one can not see the inequity clearly they need to remove
the blinders.

Thank you Daniel and fellow Debian Live team members for a project which
allowed me an opportunity to serve others in the Debian community.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Ben Armstrong 
wrote:

> On 09/11/15 12:47 PM, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> > So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> > [7] http://live.debian.net/project/downstream/
> >
>
> Enough bitter words have been said. I don't want to add any more. So:
>
> I'm proud.
>
> Indeed, that long list of downstreams does speak to the impact you've
> had in inspiring and equipping people to make their own live images. I'm
> proud to have been a small part of this project.
>
> I'm thankful.
>
> I'm thankful that I was able to, through this project, contribute to
> something for a while that had a positive impact on many people, and
> made Debian more awesome.
>
> I remember the good times.
>
> I remember fondly the good times we had in the project's heyday. I
> certainly found your enthusiasm and vision for the project, Daniel,
> personally inspiring. It motivated me to contribute. Debconf10 was a
> highlight among those experiences, but also I had many good times and
> made many friendships online, too.
>
> I'm sad.
>
> I'm sad, because although I made some attempts to liaise between Debian
> Live and the CD and Installer teams, I don't feel I did an effective job
> there, and that contributed to the situation we now find ourselves in.
> If I did you or the project injury in trying to fulfill that role,
> please forgive me.
>
> I'm hopeful.
>
> I'm hopeful that whichever way we all go from here, that the bitterness
> will not be forever. That we'll heal. That we'll have learned. That
> we'll move on to accomplish new things, bigger and better things.
>
> Thank you, Daniel. Thank you, Debian Live team.
>
> Ben
>
>
>

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Harshad Joshi]

Count me in for your new fork, let's not give up so easily. 

Sent from my Cyanogen phone

On 09-Nov-2015 10:33 pm, Daniel Baumann 
<daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.com> wrote:

[ I don't know why this post is not showing up on planet.debian.org:
https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-abrupt-end-to-debian-live/
I am sending it here by mail now. ]


An abrupt End to Debian Live


Debian can be great.

But depending on who you are, where you come from, and who your friends
are, Debian can also be hateful and full of deceit.

Before even more of reality[0] is spin-doctored into some distorted[1]
view of it, and before my past work is being discredited, I will take
the high road and continue my work on Debian Live images on the outside.

If there is one thing I did learn over the past years of agressions
towards me, then that it is this: I am forced to blindly and
unchallenged accept everything others decide about me or my work,
resistence to the cabal is futile, anything goes, no[2] matter[3] what[4].

Therefore, after having founded Debian Live back in 2006 and having by
now almost 10 years continuously worked on it, without further ado:

  Debian Live is dead, hijacked by the debian-cd and the
  debian-installer Teams[5]

The live.debian.net server will be shut down end of month, the Git
repositories are read-only as of now and mirrored to GitHub[6] for archival.

So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].

Daniel

[0] https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/08/
[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg8.html
[2] https://bugs.debian.org/497471
[3] https://bugs.debian.org/759189
[4] https://bugs.debian.org/754910
[5] https://bugs.debian.org/804315
[6] https://github.com/debian-live
[7] http://live.debian.net/project/downstream/

Re: An abrupt End to Debian Live

[Michael .]

I'd also like to remain a user if at all possible.

On 10 November 2015 at 12:07, Harshad Joshi <firewal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Count me in for your new fork, let's not give up so easily.
>
> Sent from my Cyanogen phone
> On 09-Nov-2015 10:33 pm, Daniel Baumann <
> daniel.baum...@progress-technologies.com> wrote:
>
> [ I don't know why this post is not showing up on planet.debian.org:
> https://danieltmp.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-abrupt-end-to-debian-live/
> I am sending it here by mail now. ]
>
>
> An abrupt End to Debian Live
> 
>
> Debian can be great.
>
> But depending on who you are, where you come from, and who your friends
> are, Debian can also be hateful and full of deceit.
>
> Before even more of reality[0] is spin-doctored into some distorted[1]
> view of it, and before my past work is being discredited, I will take
> the high road and continue my work on Debian Live images on the outside.
>
> If there is one thing I did learn over the past years of agressions
> towards me, then that it is this: I am forced to blindly and
> unchallenged accept everything others decide about me or my work,
> resistence to the cabal is futile, anything goes, no[2] matter[3] what[4].
>
> Therefore, after having founded Debian Live back in 2006 and having by
> now almost 10 years continuously worked on it, without further ado:
>
>   Debian Live is dead, hijacked by the debian-cd and the
>   debian-installer Teams[5]
>
> The live.debian.net server will be shut down end of month, the Git
> repositories are read-only as of now and mirrored to GitHub[6] for
> archival.
>
> So long, and thanks for all the fish[7].
>
> Daniel
>
> [0] https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/08/
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg8.html
> [2] https://bugs.debian.org/497471
> [3] https://bugs.debian.org/759189
> [4] https://bugs.debian.org/754910
> [5] https://bugs.debian.org/804315
> [6] https://github.com/debian-live
> [7] http://live.debian.net/project/downstream/
>
>