[digitalradio] digital modes and signal reports
Hello, First a quick intro. Eventhough this is my first post, I've been lurking here since about the end of 2007, meanwhile studying for my licence, for which I did exam April 16th 2008, and passed. So today I'm a Novice radio amateur in the Netherlands, which puts me on 70cm/2mtr/10mtr/20mtr/40mtr. Being mostly interested in digital modes, I'm usually active on 20 mtr doing psk31 and some JT65a. Yesterday I logged psk31 QSO #200, and went to take a closer look at my log, and found that all but one of them had RSQ 599 given, and received. So being as guilty as everyone else in my log, I went to take a closer look at how to give accurate RSQ reports, and after some reading, spent most of today, just staring at the waterfall while trying to judge all the signals with an honest RSQ report, and - surprise suprise - only very few signals were actually a true 599 Thinking back to some QSOs I had, to places like Kazakhstan, Canada, and the US, with only a humble magnetic loop mounted in the attic, and a max allowed output of 25 Watts, I can't help but wonder about the importance of RSQ reports, it certainly looks like it's not being taken all that serious. I'm going to at least change that on my end, I've seen too many stations splattering all over my passband who deserved an accurate report so they could have sorted their ALC, power, or whatnot, which brings me to my question. With QSOs as short as they often are on 20 mtr / psk31, what's the point in giving a report at the beginning of the QSO? Shouldn't the report reflect the quality of the whole QSO, rather than just the beginning? Wouldn't it make more sense to give the report at the end, together with the 73? RSQ 579, 73, good health, good dx, sk Or am I just looking at a long standing tradition of giving each other the best possible report, so to be friendly? 73, Eric PD9EL
[digitalradio] Re: [psk31] Digest Number 1739
Neil, QuikPSK (http://www.qsl.net/kh6ty/psk63/) can send a picture of your ugly face, even if you do not have an Internet connection. It is not very big, but big enough to see how ugly you look! ;-) (URL) My name is Neil and I am 46 years old - up pops a picture of my ugly face. 73, Skip KH6TY
Re: [digitalradio] digital modes and signal reports
By your own admission, most psk qso's are short. In addition, the band can change rapidly, so most of us want to get that report in at the beginning, because you may not get a chance otherwise. I agree that a generic report of 599 for everyone doesn't do any good. I try to give accurate reports - the true information is much more useful, and if you're getting consistent 599's then you're doing good! Jeff -- KE7ACY CN94ib - Original Message - From: ekkonl Hello, [snip] Shouldn't the report reflect the quality of the whole QSO, rather than just the beginning? Wouldn't it make more sense to give the report at the end, together with the 73? RSQ 579, 73, good health, good dx, sk Or am I just looking at a long standing tradition of giving each other the best possible report, so to be friendly? 73, Eric PD9EL .
Re: [digitalradio] Re: [hfdec] HFLinknet Feedback and Tips - The End
I am not sure of why you wrote this as tips for using your system, but I can assure you it did not help me or anyone else in attempting to send messages. I am speaking of the longer messages, not the SMS type messages that some of us have been able to get through using AMD. After spending a number of hours and getting minimal results, it does get to a point of either asking for help or moving on and having to write the system off as unworkable (at least for me). Many of us have different goals but we can still use the same system. Perhaps I don't use your system in the way that you envision. Most would call that experimentation. You seem to be hostile to this. That is unfortunate. Our vision is to find those methods that actually work for our needs. I am not even involved in using beaconing, since is not necessary for using the system in the way that we are using it. Even if WD8ARZ does not wish to help me in figuring out the correct procedure, I would appreciate help from any other source in determining why I am not able to send messages using DTM and DBM ARQ. Especially helpful would be those who are using Multipsk. Thanks in advance. Rick, KV9U WD8ARZ wrote: Rick, sometimes I get the impression you feel you are not being heard. I assure you that you are. However there is a difference between being heard and not agreeing with you. You are welcome to have your opinion (such as whither ale is a beacon or not), but it is not backed up by the years of activity with Ale and with the FCC on this matter. I am simply not going to rehash what has already been covered on this topic ad nausem already. Those more talented and experienced then me have communicated with you many times to work out your issues, apparently to no avail. It is clear that the HFN Pilot Ale Stations / System has chosen a goal that is very worth while. It has become one of the few organizations in the world that are focused on a global picture of connectedness, mainly efforts to help the other frontline EMCOMM organizations talk to each other. I think that is the key to our future with this effort. The HFN pilot system has become the killer app for ALE in ham radio. To just be able to send a simple short message on setting up a schedule due to an event, and re-establish connection with other groups or individuals is a critical and useful function. It is clear that the Ale system is not a whole scale messaging system. Other systems are. It is also clear that there are those that can and have communicated with Ale, as detailed in the recent Report: ALE HFN Activity for Global Simulated Emergency Test- 3 May 2008. Last point: When some one, or a group, starts an activity of interest, they obviously wish to have a focus, a goal, an intentional path of activities to follow. Those who are interested in it and can constructively support it, can do so if they wish. Those that dont or cant support it, or just wish to being a distraction that is out side the intent of the group, should move along. Those that persist in thrusting their points time after time after time when many others have attempted to resolve those points with them, eventually wear out their welcome. To continue to do so even when not in the group in question, comes off as if there is a vendetta to carry out. You are obviously very talented, have used your skills well for amateur radio for a long time. It is unfortunate that a smooth match up hasnt happened here, but I am sure you are able to continue on as needed with the rest of your amateur radio life. Good Luck, best to you, but I am not convinced it is technical help you are reaching for anymore. I am now closing out this topic from this end and moving on. My apologies to others for the bandwidth. 73 from Bill - WD8ARZ - Original Message - From: Rick W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [hfdec] HFLinknet Feedback and Tips The sound card should be within a Hz or so. It is a new Soundblaster variant. I use Multipsk as the software program. I don't think that I put PC-ALE back on the XP box after reloading XP to survive a dual boot mess with Linux. I might try putting PC-ALE back on again if I just can not get anything to work with Multipsk. One other station that has been experimenting as I have indicated to me that there is some kind of issue with a needed space but I am not clear on that. If anyone has had good success with sending e-mail messages, it would be helpful to show the format you used, especially with Multipsk. I may be doing it wrong. I have been on Channel Zero in recent time, but did not receive any help. The HFLink forums Bonnie removed me from a few months back when I asked for help in contacting the FCC to get some clear understanding of the rules when it comes to the stations transmitting
RE: [digitalradio] digital modes and signal reports
Eric, I too have a lot of 599's in my log and think I know why at least for the hams using MixW if you leave it set for default RSQ it will send 599. I set my reply so it asks me to enter the RSQ before the macro runs and I try to read an actual signal report of the scope in the MixW screen. Seems to work. MixW will seldom show a 599. Last night I saw a couple of nice QSO's on the waterfall that it showed as 589 and 579, these guys had really clean signals with IMD readings above -26 in both cases. I'll look for you on the waterfall next time 20 opens to the east. 73, Curt Curt Givens KC8STE, AAR5VR Army MARS Earthdog and Special Programs Director GCDOC/GCAC Dayton, OH Registering lawful Americans who possess a gun to stop armed criminals, is like registering virgins to stop prostitution. -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ekkonl Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:55 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] digital modes and signal reports Hello, snip Being mostly interested in digital modes, I'm usually active on 20 mtr doing psk31 and some JT65a. Yesterday I logged psk31 QSO #200, and went to take a closer look at my log, and found that all but one of them had RSQ 599 given, and received. snip 73, Eric PD9EL ___ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com
