[digitalradio] Soundblaster cards and digital applications

2008-09-08 Thread Dave 'Doc' Corio
First, this is not meant as an 'attack' on Soundblaster. I know a 
lot of people use them successfully. It's merely meant as an aid to 
anyone who may have unexplainable problems with their computers.

When I had my Soundblaster Audigy installed in my PC, I started 
having a lot of problems with my DXLabs applications and MultiPSK. 
Strange error messages and performance issues. The DXLabs author spent a 
great deal of time trying to diagnose these problems. Finally, I decided 
to try the built-in sound card, and wouldn't you know, all the issues 
cleared up. Happy to have found the culprit, I replaced the Audigy with 
another Soundblaster card, since the on-board card doesn't work well for 
digital radio.

Little problems began to show up again. Once in a while, the PC 
wouldn't boot properly, but most of the issues were with digital ham 
apps. Beginning to see a trend, I just replaced the Soundblaster again, 
but this time with an inexpensive Diamond brand sound card. All problems 
have completely disappeared!

This isn't an ad for Diamond sound cards, or a blanket condemnation 
of Soundblaster. Just a hopefully informative note to anyone out there 
who has problems with their PC that are unexplainable by other causes, 
that looking at your sound card /*might*/ be a place to look.

73
Dave
KB3MOW



Re: [digitalradio] Soundblaster cards and digital applications

2008-09-08 Thread Simon Brown (KNS)
I agree with Skip. My guess is a driver issue.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com

- Original Message - 
From: kh6ty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I seriously doubt that your problems are caused by the SoundBlaster or 
 fldigi, but most likely by something we do not know about your system.



Re: [digitalradio] Soundblaster cards and digital applications

2008-09-08 Thread kh6ty
Hi Dave,

Glad you finally solved the problem with your system. However, the cause of 
the problem is still unknown, and it certainly has mystified many folks who 
tried to help.

Creative (Soundblaster) essentially started the soundcard business, and 
generally has been the soundcard that works. History suggests that this is 
still true in most cases. I wish I had suggested trying a total system 
restore to eliminate any variable due to the Windows system. There is also 
the possibility of operator error, especially with the Audigy, since it is 
so complex. We have a member of our digital net here who finds it very hard 
to understand how the Audigy works with his ham programs, but it works 
perfectly with fldigi on all modes, and DM780 as well, once he finds the 
correct settings and leaves them alone. I have often recommended changing to 
a simpler card, but he thinks the decoding will be better with the higher 
quality card, and it could be, depending upon the comparison sound system in 
the same computer, but the jury is still out on that one.

I personally have had situations where a total system restore was the only 
way to make things work. Why, I do not know. Since Windows has over 
10,000,000 lines of interacting code, it could be almost anything.

I seriously doubt that your problems are caused by the SoundBlaster or 
fldigi, but most likely by something we do not know about your system. I say 
this because there are probably thousands of systems with SoundBlaster 
cards, and even hundreds with Audigy cards that are working with no problems 
at all, and if your system were one of those, it would obviously work also.

Just like you are not condeming SoundBlaster, I am not trying to defend 
SoundBlaster. However, I just want to point out to anyone with soundcard 
problems that the Windows system itself can often be the culprit, and the 
way the operator is configuring the system, or the way programs have 
modified the system, could be the problem as well. When I test fldigi for 
any version release, I have a computer on which I always do a total system 
restore so I am testing with a truly virgin system. We have another net 
member who cannot get fldigi to run on his desktop machine, but it is OK on 
two laptops. Since he has so much data and programs on the desktop machine, 
it is not practical to reformat and restore that machine to fix the problem. 
He is one of our fldigi beta testers, and in one case, did have to do a 
restore on one of the laptops to get fldigi working, because somewhere along 
the line, a remnant of one of the beta versions continued to do something to 
the system and cleaning it out completely was the simplest (and probably 
only) way to get it working again.

If there are mysterious soundcard problems, next time I'd first try a total 
system restore before assuming the soundcard is at fault.

BTW, Peter Martinez, G3PLX, has found that some USB soundcards have a 
greater offset between receive and transmit tone frequencies than most 
onboard soundcards. In this case, the soundcard might be the problem, and 
not the system.

Anyway, we have beat this horse to death. I am happy you finally found a 
solution to your own system that works for you, and we can move on to other 
issues. :-)

73, Skip KH6TY
NBEMS Development Team

Little problems began to show up again. Once in a while, the PC
 wouldn't boot properly, but most of the issues were with digital ham
 apps. Beginning to see a trend, I just replaced the Soundblaster again,
 but this time with an inexpensive Diamond brand sound card. All problems
 have completely disappeared!

This isn't an ad for Diamond sound cards, or a blanket condemnation
 of Soundblaster. Just a hopefully informative note to anyone out there
 who has problems with their PC that are unexplainable by other causes,
 that looking at your sound card /*might*/ be a place to look.

 73
 Dave
 KB3MOW