[digitalradio] Testing NBEMS

2008-01-05 Thread John Bradley
Have had the opportunity to use NBEMS on 30m and would offer the following
observations:

 

. I like how Vbdigi , flarq, and the email software sylpheed work
together. I set up sylpheed to one of my email addresses and it looks like I
can receive mail via Vbdigi, and easily bounce it over to the internet.
Haven't tried writing any mail rules with sylpheed to do that semi
automatically yet.

 

. Vbdigi works well as a small, simple stand-alone piece to use for
PSK MFSK and RTTY. Menu is intuitive and easy to use.

 

 

. Not crazy over the flarq file and mail transfer system. While ARQ,
the packet size is huge and would result in endless repeats under anything
other than ideal conditions.  Sending mail , the software would break down a
1K test message into 2 , or 3 packets at the most. Using HF, the time taken
to send one packet would be very subject to the usual QSB/QRM/QRN etc which
on a large packet would likely result in a repeat.   Smaller packet sizes
would improve the software very much .

 

. File transfer using Flarq was slower than Multipsk ALE400, using
PSK31. Would be much slower with any repeats.

 

Am interested in further experiments and look forward to meeting anyone
interested on 80-20M

 

John

VE5MU



Re: [digitalradio] Testing NBEMS

2008-01-05 Thread kh6ty

 Have had the opportunity to use NBEMS on 30m and would offer the following
 observations:

 . I like how Vbdigi , flarq, and the email software sylpheed work
 together. I set up sylpheed to one of my email addresses and it looks like 
 I
 can receive mail via Vbdigi, and easily bounce it over to the internet.
 Haven't tried writing any mail rules with sylpheed to do that semi
 automatically yet.

You can do the same thing with Outlook Express as outlined in the VBdigi 
Messaging and Radio Email help. If you click on Reply to All, with 
almost any email client, the address for forwarding will already be filled 
in. The it is simply a matter of pressing Send to forward over the 
Internt.

For emcomm, we recommend forwarding emails, but also contacting the 
recipient to tell a written message is waiting. Otherwise, it might lie 
unnoticed for hours before someone thinks to check his inbox. This is one 
reason we do not use email robots for NBEMS, in addition to eliminating the 
problem of an unattended station transmitting over traffic local to itself, 
that is undetectable by the remote client.


 . Vbdigi works well as a small, simple stand-alone piece to use 
 for
 PSK MFSK and RTTY. Menu is intuitive and easy to use.

 . Not crazy over the flarq file and mail transfer system. While 
 ARQ,
 the packet size is huge and would result in endless repeats under anything
 other than ideal conditions.  Sending mail , the software would break down 
 a
 1K test message into 2 , or 3 packets at the most. Using HF, the time 
 taken
 to send one packet would be very subject to the usual QSB/QRM/QRN etc 
 which
 on a large packet would likely result in a repeat.   Smaller packet sizes
 would improve the software very much .

You can configure the packet sizes in the flarq Config menu by varying the 
Exponent value to suit conditions. Rein has offered some experience with the 
optimum packet size.

NBEMS was developed specifically for emcomm communications using small, very 
portable, antennas on 2m VHF, where QSB is negligible on paths up to 100 
miles in length. As a result, the incidence of repeats is very small, unless 
you are just at the background noise level. Most repeats will be caused by 
packets ruined by multipath reflections, such as when an airplane flies 
overhead.

The additional overhead by sending a long text message as email instead of 
as text is about 30 seconds. For most messages, it is worth the extra time 
to simplify the message composition and use the email client for composing, 
but that overhead can be eliminated by composing and saving as a text file 
and dragging it into the ARQsend folder instead of the ARQout folder that 
Flarq establishes the first time it is run.


 . File transfer using Flarq was slower than Multipsk ALE400, using
 PSK31. Would be much slower with any repeats.

Slower transfer speed is the price you pay for using a narrow bandwidth. On 
VHF, where NBEMS is intended to be used most of the time, PSK250 in less 
than a 500 Hz bandwidth approaches the average Pactor-III speed when 
Pactor-III is used daily by Winlink on long-haul paths. The idea is that in 
a real emergency, a multitude of stations can fit into the space of the IF 
passband and all be passing traffic simultaneously, with all visible on the 
waterfall where everyone knows where to look. This is important so that 
there are opportunites for many hams to help with message forwarding.

 Am interested in further experiments and look forward to meeting anyone
 interested on 80-20M

These days, I will be monitoring 30m off and on in the daytime, and 80m at 
night. Last night, we found the QSB on 80m, using antennas with a low 
takeoff angle, to be quite a problem and causing excessive repeats compared 
to 30m during the day. If NVIS antennas are used, the QSB should be much 
less, and NVIS is the alternative antenna for NBEMS if VHF is not practical 
due to the terrain.

If it is possible to try NBEMS on 2m, it would be a more relevant test of 
the system design.

 John
 VE5MU

Thanks for the interest John! We are right now working to improve the user 
feedback for message transfers and will posting an update soon, which will 
also fix a few isolated bugs that have been reported.

73, Skip KH6TY 



[digitalradio] Testing NBEMS on 10.137

2008-01-02 Thread Sholto Fisher
If anyone wants to try I am QRV on 10.137 (+1000AF) with VBDigi  FLArq.

73 Sholto
KE7HPV DN08



- Original Message - 
From: Bill McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NBEMS setup


You might try creating a shortcut to the mail folder and then drag the
shortcut wherever you desire.

73,

Bill N9DSJ


--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, jhaynesatalumni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I'm trying to follow the instructions in 
 VBdigi under Help-Radio email setup.
 
 I navigate to C:\NBEMS\Mail
 I put the mouse pointer on the ARQout folder and
 hold down the right mouse button and try to drag 
 it to the menu bar at the bottom of the screen, and
 I get the slashed-circle not symbol. (and all my
 open windows get minimized).






Re: [digitalradio] Testing NBEMS on 10.137

2008-01-02 Thread Russell Blair
Well I got a FLArq beacon on 10.137 usb psk31. Can
anyone hear me out there ?

Russell nc5o
--- Sholto Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If anyone wants to try I am QRV on 10.137 (+1000AF)
 with VBDigi  FLArq.
 
 73 Sholto
 KE7HPV DN08
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bill McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:57 AM
 Subject: [digitalradio] Re: NBEMS setup
 
 
 You might try creating a shortcut to the mail folder
 and then drag the
 shortcut wherever you desire.
 
 73,
 
 Bill N9DSJ
 
 
 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com,
 jhaynesatalumni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  I'm trying to follow the instructions in 
  VBdigi under Help-Radio email setup.
  
  I navigate to C:\NBEMS\Mail
  I put the mouse pointer on the ARQout folder and
  hold down the right mouse button and try to drag 
  it to the menu bar at the bottom of the screen,
 and
  I get the slashed-circle not symbol. (and all my
  open windows get minimized).
 
 
 
 
 


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