Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fits-Nissan-TWB1U840-OEM-4-Button-Key-Fob/252619103947?fits=Model%3ALeaf%7CMake%3ANissan=1322946932=item3ad1459ecb:g:vMkAAOSwdbZboPHq:rk:7:pf:0

53 dollars on ebay.  I bet Lock smiths fees are negotiable.  Lawrence Rhodes

   
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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

I saw one video where a locksmith programed two Leaf fobs in around a minute.  
I can see why your locksmith didn't want you to see what he was doing.  I 
suspect the expensive tool a dealer or locksmith uses lets them justify the 
high price of programing.  However I suspect the 85 dollar unit might work just 
as well. After finding out what a new fob costs my son ranted and promised to 
clean up his room.  Lawrence Rhodes

   
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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Tom Parker via EV]

On 14/10/18 10:12, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:


On 14 Oct 2018 at 7:57, Tom Parker via EV wrote:


My 2016 Leaf has remote charge port opening -- the key fob has a 3rd
button, if you hold it down for about 2 seconds, the door opens.

Darned if I can see the point of this.  How hard could it be to open the
charging port door with your left hand, when you're standing there with the
charging connector in your right hand?  (Or vice versa.)

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like I'd be more trouble to get
the keys out and find the right button.  And then you have to hold it down
for a while.  Nuisance.


Like the other Tom, I don't use it very often but it is useful if you 
forget to open the charge port before getting out of the car and the 
keys are handy. If the keys are buried in a bag I find it 's easier to 
bring the bag to the car and open the door and press the button to open 
the charge port rather than find the keys and press the button on the key.



OTOH, inside release fuel filler doors make sense.  They help prevent fuel
theft.  But with an EV, who's gonna steal your electrons?


Agreed, there isn't a major need to lock the charge port, except perhaps 
to reduce the vandalism attack surface. Other cars do it better than the 
Leaf, for example the i3 charge port opens when you push it, but it 
still locks with the car which may or may not be necessary.


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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SBB-Key-V33-02-Maker-Programmer-IMMOBILISER-ECU-Auto-Remote-Car-OBD2-OBDII-Tool/253896631771?epid=2110164921=item3b1d6b25db:g:UHMAAOSwUVBbquwr:rk:3:pf:0
   It appears you can buy another brand for 3 to 5 thousand dollars or this 
one.  I have no Idea if it will work.  But I might give it a try.  I saw the 
expensive one work in less than 5 minutes.  Lawrence Rhodes

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I got only one key with one of my Leafs, so i bought a used key fob off 
Craigslist and a cheap uncut key off Ebay and had it cut by a local 
keysmith.Several weeks later i was going in for service at my local dealer, 
brought the 2nd key and asked them to register the key as part of the service, 
since they have a minimum $160 fee for the service, which i needed to pay 
anyway.They registered the key and apologized that they had left a DTC in the 
memory of the car. No lights were on, on the dash but the 2013 key fob 
apparently sent a message to the car that it did not understand, because the 
2011 Leaf does not have a remote charging door opener.The other 3 keys worked 
as expected, so i did not care about the one redundant button, that is why i 
bought that fob.I have not found a way to register a Leaf key myself, like you 
can do with Toyota.Cor.
On Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 3:04 AM Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:

Couldn't I just get any Nissan fob? Is anyone in the Bay area capable of 
programing fobs for less than hundred bucks? My son lost our key. Lawrence 
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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Rod Hower via EV]

I have a 2014 Volt, which I've drove the past 2200 miles electric only.  The 
charge door on my Volt is just push it and it pops open.  Almost all new cars 
have the $300 key, they even try to sell you insurance when you buy a new car 
for the key, along with a bunch of other BS they try to sell when you buy new!  
The last car I bought new was a 1994 Saturn.  My 3 kids have had new cars 
thanks in part to grandpa, so I've had to deal with these dealerships for 
those, what a pain in the ass!
 

On Saturday, October 13, 2018 7:14 PM, Tom Keenan via EV 
 wrote:
 

 I have a 2013 Leaf.  It has a charging door open button inside at the left of 
the steering wheel.  I normally use the ‘inside’ button when I get home and the 
EV is parked for the day.  
Occasionally, I forget to unlock the door before I get out, or if I happen to 
not plug it in until later in the evening. The remote button is useful (saves 
opening the car, pressing the inside button, locking the car again) but really 
is only a small convenience.  Especially if you get the plug from the EVSE rack 
only to find you’ve forgotten to unlock the charge port door. 
I like having the remote charging door unlock on the fob, even if I only use it 
once every few weeks. 

Tom Keenan

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 2:12 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV  
> wrote:
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2018 at 7:57, Tom Parker via EV wrote:
>> 
>> My 2016 Leaf has remote charge port opening -- the key fob has a 3rd 
>> button, if you hold it down for about 2 seconds, the door opens.
> 
> Darned if I can see the point of this.  How hard could it be to open the 
> charging port door with your left hand, when you're standing there with the 
> charging connector in your right hand?  (Or vice versa.)  
> 
> Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like I'd be more trouble to get 
> the keys out and find the right button.  And then you have to hold it down 
> for a while.  Nuisance.
> 
> OTOH, inside release fuel filler doors make sense.  They help prevent fuel 
> theft.  But with an EV, who's gonna steal your electrons?  Or is that a 
> thing now somehow?  Or EV charging port vandalism?  If so, does a remote 
> release really help?
> 
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator

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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Tom Keenan via EV]

I have a 2013 Leaf.  It has a charging door open button inside at the left of 
the steering wheel.  I normally use the ‘inside’ button when I get home and the 
EV is parked for the day.  
Occasionally, I forget to unlock the door before I get out, or if I happen to 
not plug it in until later in the evening. The remote button is useful (saves 
opening the car, pressing the inside button, locking the car again) but really 
is only a small convenience.  Especially if you get the plug from the EVSE rack 
only to find you’ve forgotten to unlock the charge port door. 
I like having the remote charging door unlock on the fob, even if I only use it 
once every few weeks. 

Tom Keenan

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 2:12 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV  
> wrote:
> 
>> On 14 Oct 2018 at 7:57, Tom Parker via EV wrote:
>> 
>> My 2016 Leaf has remote charge port opening -- the key fob has a 3rd 
>> button, if you hold it down for about 2 seconds, the door opens.
> 
> Darned if I can see the point of this.  How hard could it be to open the 
> charging port door with your left hand, when you're standing there with the 
> charging connector in your right hand?  (Or vice versa.)  
> 
> Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like I'd be more trouble to get 
> the keys out and find the right button.  And then you have to hold it down 
> for a while.  Nuisance.
> 
> OTOH, inside release fuel filler doors make sense.  They help prevent fuel 
> theft.  But with an EV, who's gonna steal your electrons?  Or is that a 
> thing now somehow?  Or EV charging port vandalism?  If so, does a remote 
> release really help?
> 
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator

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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

On 14 Oct 2018 at 7:57, Tom Parker via EV wrote:

> My 2016 Leaf has remote charge port opening -- the key fob has a 3rd 
> button, if you hold it down for about 2 seconds, the door opens.

Darned if I can see the point of this.  How hard could it be to open the 
charging port door with your left hand, when you're standing there with the 
charging connector in your right hand?  (Or vice versa.)  

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like I'd be more trouble to get 
the keys out and find the right button.  And then you have to hold it down 
for a while.  Nuisance.

OTOH, inside release fuel filler doors make sense.  They help prevent fuel 
theft.  But with an EV, who's gonna steal your electrons?  Or is that a 
thing now somehow?  Or EV charging port vandalism?  If so, does a remote 
release really help?

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Chris Tromley via EV]

I bought my i-MiEV used and it only came with one original key.  That
wasn't going to be enough, so I took the OEM key to a locksmith and he was
able to clone it.  I don't remember, but I think it only cost like $50 -
$100.  ILCO makes the blanks and read/write equipment, and it seems to be
pretty commonly available.  Check with your locksmith to make sure.  The
clone has no buttons on it, but it talks to the ignition switch just fine.
I like it that way, since I'm apparently one of the 3 people left who
actually carries my keys in my pocket t all times. That's a problem with
the full-zoot keys/fobs, because getting jumbled in a pocket with stooping,
standing, leaning against stuff, etc. gets their buttons pushed and drains
the batteries.  Turns out unlocking the door manually (gasp!) isn't really
the inconvenience some think it is.

Chris

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 5:47 AM Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
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> Couldn't I just get any Nissan fob? Is anyone in the Bay area capable of
> programing fobs for less than hundred bucks? My son lost our key. Lawrence
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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Tom Parker via EV]

On 14/10/18 07:46, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:


I meant on the key fob. For the 2011 and 2012 there is only a dash handle
to open the door latch.
The 2013+ has an electric latch opener, so theoretically it can be opened
remotely, but the functions on the wireless interface are severely limited.
Cor.


My 2016 Leaf has remote charge port opening -- the key fob has a 3rd 
button, if you hold it down for about 2 seconds, the door opens.


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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Cor van de Water via EV]

I meant on the key fob. For the 2011 and 2012 there is only a dash handle
to open the door latch.
The 2013+ has an electric latch opener, so theoretically it can be opened
remotely, but the functions on the wireless interface are severely limited.
Cor.

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 10:39 AM Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
wrote:

> We have remote charge port opening function?  Lawrence Rhodes
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>   On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Cor van de Water<
> cor.vandewa...@gmail.com> wrote:   I got only one key with one of my
> Leafs, so i bought a used key fob off Craigslist and a cheap uncut key off
> Ebay and had it cut by a local keysmith.Several weeks later i was going in
> for service at my local dealer, brought the 2nd key and asked them to
> register the key as part of the service, since they have a minimum $160 fee
> for the service, which i needed to pay anyway.They registered the key and
> apologized that they had left a DTC in the memory of the car. No lights
> were on, on the dash but the 2013 key fob apparently sent a message to the
> car that it did not understand, because the 2011 Leaf does not have a
> remote charging door opener.The other 3 keys worked as expected, so i did
> not care about the one redundant button, that is why i bought that fob.I
> have not found a way to register a Leaf key myself, like you can do with
> Toyota.Cor.
> On Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 3:04 AM Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
> wrote:
>
> Couldn't I just get any Nissan fob? Is anyone in the Bay area capable of
> programing fobs for less than hundred bucks? My son lost our key. Lawrence
> Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

We have remote charge port opening function?  Lawrence Rhodes

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Cor van de Water 
wrote:   I got only one key with one of my Leafs, so i bought a used key fob 
off Craigslist and a cheap uncut key off Ebay and had it cut by a local 
keysmith.Several weeks later i was going in for service at my local dealer, 
brought the 2nd key and asked them to register the key as part of the service, 
since they have a minimum $160 fee for the service, which i needed to pay 
anyway.They registered the key and apologized that they had left a DTC in the 
memory of the car. No lights were on, on the dash but the 2013 key fob 
apparently sent a message to the car that it did not understand, because the 
2011 Leaf does not have a remote charging door opener.The other 3 keys worked 
as expected, so i did not care about the one redundant button, that is why i 
bought that fob.I have not found a way to register a Leaf key myself, like you 
can do with Toyota.Cor.
On Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 3:04 AM Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:

Couldn't I just get any Nissan fob? Is anyone in the Bay area capable of 
programing fobs for less than hundred bucks? My son lost our key. Lawrence 
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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Cor van de Water via EV]

I got only one key with one of my Leafs, so i bought a used key fob off
Craigslist and a cheap uncut key off Ebay and had it cut by a local
keysmith.
Several weeks later i was going in for service at my local dealer, brought
the 2nd key and asked them to register the key as part of the service,
since they have a minimum $160 fee for the service, which i needed to pay
anyway.
They registered the key and apologized that they had left a DTC in the
memory of the car. No lights were on, on the dash but the 2013 key fob
apparently sent a message to the car that it did not understand, because
the 2011 Leaf does not have a remote charging door opener.
The other 3 keys worked as expected, so i did not care about the one
redundant button, that is why i bought that fob.
I have not found a way to register a Leaf key myself, like you can do with
Toyota.
Cor.

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Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf key: $300! Yikes

[Thos True via EV]

This isn't just a Leaf or Prius issue. This is the standard for any
programmable key/ key fob. Several people over the past few years,  myself
included, have misplace their key/ fob on a newer vehicle only to find that
the fob costs $100 plus, and the programming is about $200, if you are
lucky. In many cases, the item is dealer only, requiring a tow to get it to
their facility (even more $$$!). Gone are the days of a simple cut key
(even for some newer homes it seems).
Gotta love progress!
-Tom True

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 6:43 AM Robert Bruninga via EV 
wrote:

> your lucky.  Its $1200 for a prius fob if you have no key left.
> Otherwise it is $250 for the key plus $50 programming I think.
>
>
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On 13 Oct 2018 at 9:46, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

> Couldn't I just get any Nissan fob? Is anyone in the Bay area capable of
> programing fobs for less than hundred bucks? My son lost our key.

It appears that you can get the fobs online for around $50, but programming 
them requires the Nissan diagnostic tool.  

You can do the same net search I did ("nissan leaf key programming") and 
you'll learn that some locksmiths have the required gadget.  They may be 
cheaper than the dealer, but they won't work for free.  Looks like you'll be 
lucky if you can get it done for $100 all up.

When I was a teenager back in the early 1970s, I could start and drive 
either of my family's cars, a 1961 Dodge Lancer and a 1965 Dart, with 2 clip 
leads. I guess automotive security has changed since then.  

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[Robert Bruninga via EV]

your lucky.  Its $1200 for a prius fob if you have no key left.
Otherwise it is $250 for the key plus $50 programming I think.


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