Re: [Frameworks] Lis Rhodes? Dynamo Dresden fan? + synch?

2016-02-27 Thread Peter Mudie 
My father was a 18 year old tail gunner on a RCAF Lancaster bomber involved in 
the night bombings of Dresden – his stories were soul destroying (to say the 
least).
I don’t see (nor hear) any connection between the Dresden bombings during WW2 
and Lis’ film, what I see is a fantastic set of half-tone manifestations that 
form into a unique set of durational interplays. Why should anyone need to set 
some literalisation of this as an imagined metaphorical drama linked to some 
tragic human event is beyond me – why can't the orchestration of applied 
Letraset synthetic ‘tones’ (which should be enough of a clue) be enough?
Peter
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Lis Rhodes? Dynamo Dresden fan? + synch?


there is this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W85rbPbI7CI



''...cinema's role in new modes of visualization, in reconnaissance and damage 
assessment...''

and this

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/979442.War_and_Cinema

2016-02-25 9:04 GMT-04:00 John Muse <jm...@sonic.net<mailto:jm...@sonic.net>>:
I agree with you, Mark.  After watching the "Shoot Shoot Shoot" version last 
night in a hall with a wonderful sound system, I could only think of the fire 
bombing of Dresden, which is curious because London, obviously, knows these 
sounds as well.  That Dresden must be the reference; and even if it's not, it 
should be.  None too subtle either: the score and the parades and swarms and 
cascades and conspire to put thousands of planes in the sky; some patterns 
resemble crosshairs, maps, rail lines and spurs, urban spaces.  Fully 
metaphoric?  No, but forgive me for trying.  A futurist anthem?  Not likely.  
And I'm not trying to reduce the work to this reference, to war and 
bombardment, but this reference matters, as does cinema's role in new modes of 
visualization, in reconnaissance and damage assessment--think of screening this 
before Farocki's "Images of the World and the Inscriptions of War."  The 
impulse to produce the work was materialist, playful, inspired.  The resulting 
work though has these resonances; the title simply owns up to them, no?

The synch offset: we're all agreed!

j

On Feb 25, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Mark Webber 
<m...@markwebber.org.uk<mailto:m...@markwebber.org.uk>> wrote:

> I believe the title is also a reference to the bombing of Dresden in World 
> War II, and the qualities of the soundtrack suggest this also. Its remarkable 
> how much this soundtrack varies according to the projector it is shown on.
>
> As Nicky Hamlyn stated, the soundtrack was offset after being made to put it 
> in sync with the image during projection. (Light Music was done the same way.)
>
> It’s remarkable how much these soundtracks vary according to the projector 
> they are shown on.
>
> Mark
>
>> Can anyone motivate the title of Lis Rhodes' Dynamo Dresden?  Or is she a 
>> fan of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_Dresden ?
>>
>> I was hoping that either the Letratone or the clear leader was manufactured 
>> in Dresden.
>>
>> And she claims that the optical track and the visual track are the same, but 
>> it looks like (and sounds like) she offset the optical track (26 frames 
>> ahead) so that there would visual and acoustic synch, even though she 
>> fabricated the optical track and the visual track in one go.  If you go to 
>> http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern-tanks/display/lis-rhodes-light-music
>>  and scroll down to the video, you'll see at 51" prints of the film strip.  
>> Right?  Wrong?
>>
>> j/PrM
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Re: [Frameworks] Lis Rhodes? Dynamo Dresden fan? + synch?

2016-02-25 Thread John Muse 
I agree with you, Mark.  After watching the "Shoot Shoot Shoot" version last 
night in a hall with a wonderful sound system, I could only think of the fire 
bombing of Dresden, which is curious because London, obviously, knows these 
sounds as well.  That Dresden must be the reference; and even if it's not, it 
should be.  None too subtle either: the score and the parades and swarms and 
cascades and conspire to put thousands of planes in the sky; some patterns 
resemble crosshairs, maps, rail lines and spurs, urban spaces.  Fully 
metaphoric?  No, but forgive me for trying.  A futurist anthem?  Not likely.  
And I'm not trying to reduce the work to this reference, to war and 
bombardment, but this reference matters, as does cinema's role in new modes of 
visualization, in reconnaissance and damage assessment--think of screening this 
before Farocki's "Images of the World and the Inscriptions of War."  The 
impulse to produce the work was materialist, playful, inspired.  The resulting 
work though has these resonances; the title simply owns up to them, no?

The synch offset: we're all agreed!

j

On Feb 25, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Mark Webber  wrote:

> I believe the title is also a reference to the bombing of Dresden in World 
> War II, and the qualities of the soundtrack suggest this also. Its remarkable 
> how much this soundtrack varies according to the projector it is shown on. 
> 
> As Nicky Hamlyn stated, the soundtrack was offset after being made to put it 
> in sync with the image during projection. (Light Music was done the same way.)
> 
> It’s remarkable how much these soundtracks vary according to the projector 
> they are shown on.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> Can anyone motivate the title of Lis Rhodes' Dynamo Dresden?  Or is she a 
>> fan of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_Dresden ?
>> 
>> I was hoping that either the Letratone or the clear leader was manufactured 
>> in Dresden.
>> 
>> And she claims that the optical track and the visual track are the same, but 
>> it looks like (and sounds like) she offset the optical track (26 frames 
>> ahead) so that there would visual and acoustic synch, even though she 
>> fabricated the optical track and the visual track in one go.  If you go to 
>> http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern-tanks/display/lis-rhodes-light-music
>>  and scroll down to the video, you'll see at 51" prints of the film strip.  
>> Right?  Wrong?
>> 
>> j/PrM
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Re: [Frameworks] Lis Rhodes? Dynamo Dresden fan? + synch?

2016-02-25 Thread Mark Webber 
I believe the title is also a reference to the bombing of Dresden in World War 
II, and the qualities of the soundtrack suggest this also. Its remarkable how 
much this soundtrack varies according to the projector it is shown on. 

As Nicky Hamlyn stated, the soundtrack was offset after being made to put it in 
sync with the image during projection. (Light Music was done the same way.)

It’s remarkable how much these soundtracks vary according to the projector they 
are shown on.

Mark

> Can anyone motivate the title of Lis Rhodes' Dynamo Dresden?  Or is she a fan 
> of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_Dresden ?
> 
> I was hoping that either the Letratone or the clear leader was manufactured 
> in Dresden.
> 
> And she claims that the optical track and the visual track are the same, but 
> it looks like (and sounds like) she offset the optical track (26 frames 
> ahead) so that there would visual and acoustic synch, even though she 
> fabricated the optical track and the visual track in one go.  If you go to 
> http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern-tanks/display/lis-rhodes-light-music
>  and scroll down to the video, you'll see at 51" prints of the film strip.  
> Right?  Wrong?
> 
> j/PrM

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Re: [Frameworks] Lis Rhodes? Dynamo Dresden fan? + synch?

2016-02-24 Thread John Muse 
Thanks, Nicky!  I would love to know a little more about "no particular 
reason."  It could be the alliteration.  It could be the ridiculousness of 
these two words.  I could be something about power and the bombing of Dresden.  
Or a nod to Lye whose titles, e.g., Free Radicals, are evocative and pithy.  
Yes, I'm reaching!  

Thanks for confirming my thoughts about the synch!

j

On Feb 24, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Nicky Hamlyn  wrote:

> As far as I know it's named after the football club, for no particular 
> reason. Letratone was made somewhere in Kent, south east England,  but not 
> any more. They have offices in LeMans: www.letraset.com. The film was made 
> section by section under an enlarger, from B originals printed through 
> colour filters and yes, obviously the sound would be finally printed 26 
> frames ahead, to put it in sync.
> 
> Nicky.
> 
> 
> 
>  John Muse a écrit 
> 
> Can anyone motivate the title of Lis Rhodes' Dynamo Dresden?  Or is she a fan 
> of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_Dresden ?
> 
> I was hoping that either the Letratone or the clear leader was manufactured 
> in Dresden.
> 
> And she claims that the optical track and the visual track are the same, but 
> it looks like (and sounds like) she offset the optical track (26 frames 
> ahead) so that there would visual and acoustic synch, even though she 
> fabricated the optical track and the visual track in one go.  If you go to 
> http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern-tanks/display/lis-rhodes-light-music
>  and scroll down to the video, you'll see at 51" prints of the film strip.  
> Right?  Wrong?
> 
> j/PrM
> 
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> haverford college
> http://www.finleymuse.com
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Re: [Frameworks] Lis Rhodes? Dynamo Dresden fan? + synch?

2016-02-24 Thread Nicky Hamlyn 
As far as I know it's named after the football club, for no particular reason. 
Letratone was made somewhere in Kent, south east England,  but not any more. 
They have offices in LeMans: www.letraset.com. The film was made section by 
section under an enlarger, from B originals printed through colour filters 
and yes, obviously the sound would be finally printed 26 frames ahead, to put 
it in sync.

Nicky.

 John Muse a écrit 

>Can anyone motivate the title of Lis Rhodes' Dynamo Dresden?  Or is she a fan 
>of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamo_Dresden ?
>
>I was hoping that either the Letratone or the clear leader was manufactured in 
>Dresden.
>
>And she claims that the optical track and the visual track are the same, but 
>it looks like (and sounds like) she offset the optical track (26 frames ahead) 
>so that there would visual and acoustic synch, even though she fabricated the 
>optical track and the visual track in one go.  If you go to 
>http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern-tanks/display/lis-rhodes-light-music
> and scroll down to the video, you'll see at 51" prints of the film strip.  
>Right?  Wrong?
>
>j/PrM
>
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>haverford college
>http://www.finleymuse.com
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