Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
I tried using it but Desktop view window that was initially created when I first launched kde4 doesn't appear with the second launch. I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet. Anyone can use it without major annoyances? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why does firefox not display icons?
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:19:36PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:23:57 -0700, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, in trying to get firefox to work with flash-9, i must have done Something so that now, ff no longer displays, say, the google icons. there is just a red dot, or the string [IMAGE] where a jpg should be. One possibility could be that you accidently switched off show images in some preference dialog. Maybe you could check this? I've checked this N times and have Load images automagically checkmarked. Can any firefox [not ff3] user 2-check to see if there is some image-loader that I missed? thanks anyway, Polyt. gary Allthough Firefox is not my primary browser (which is Opera), I think there is some setting that prevents images from bein loaded. Instead, the alt or longdesc attribute of the img tag is shown, or, in case that an image has been referenced that does not exist, a red dot or X is shown. At least, that how your situation looks to me... -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 12:12:25AM -0700, Yuri wrote: I tried using it but Desktop view window that was initially created when I first launched kde4 doesn't appear with the second launch. I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet. Anyone can use it without major annoyances? Yuri Well, I can answer you in the negative. So far release or vers 4 is missing things. The clock-calendar for one minor thing. And KSayIt is minus its config dialog that lets you set Speaks, select Jobs, and so on. gary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fail with wireless network configuration with SIOCS80211: Invalid argument
Paul B. Mahol wrote: send output of: # ifconfig -v wi0 Hi. Thanks for trying to help. I fixed the problem myself (and demonstrated I couldn't do a prudent thinking). The mistake is trying to use shared key in an open-systems wireless network. I managed to get it right by having authomode open after managed to learn the difference of shared and open authmode and how to tell the mode of local network. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Funny slogans to put on tshirts
Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 08:44:57PM +1030, en0f wrote: Redd Vinylene wrote: Hello guys, It's my friend's birthday tomorrow. I was thinking I'd make him a tshirt with some funny slogan on it or something. Preferably something UNIX related. But I'm all outta ideas. Perhaps y'all can help? Alright, much obliged, thanks. * hold it right there buddy. + silent * that scruffy beard... those suspenders... that smug expression... + silent * you're one of those condescending unix computer users! + here's a nickel, kid. get yourself a better computer. Isn't that the script of a Dilbert strip? Yeah. Its also the cover of APUE by Stevens Rago if you're curious. However, AFAIK the actual credit goes to S. Adams. Maybe, for shirt purposes, just distill that down to its essence: Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer. Yeah that was my thought as well. :P) It could also be modified a bit: Here's a nickel, kid. Blank CDs are cheap. Get yourself a better operating system. LMAO. This ones nice as well. Power corrupts. The command line corrupts absolutely. . . . or, altneratively: Power corrupts. Unix corrupts absolutely. Both are nice. Cracked me up. Heres another one by Scott - If you have trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done. -Scott Adams -- en0f ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pyhton apache
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Michael Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: tethys ocean wrote: Hi all I have a problem, a freebsd box that is apache22 and python25-2.5.2_3, mod_python-3.3.1_2 after upgrading phyton web site has stoped with this error Internal Server Error [snip] [Fri Oct 31 05:05:15 2008] [notice] Digest: done [Fri Oct 31 05:05:16 2008] [notice] Apache/2.2.6 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.6 OpenSSL/0.9.7e-p1 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.4 with Well Apache seems to think it is still using Python 2.4.4. Suhosin-Patch configured -- resuming normal operations [Fri Oct 31 10:06:21 2008] [error] [client 195.217.151.57] client sent HTTP/1.1 request without hostname (see RFC2616 section 14.23): /w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.DFind:) [snip] I can't be of much help with this as I am not a Python expert by any means, but the first thing that occurs to me is to ask: did you rebuild/reinstall mod_python after you upgraded to python25? If not you might want to try that first. Restart Apache and see if it no longer shows the Python 2.4.4. As far as the Python environment(s), you may want to ensure that all vestiges of the old python24 are truly gone (especially prior to rebuilding mod_python). You may also try and find confirmation somehow whether or not the code that is failing on the web server is even compatible with python25. In such a case either update the failing code or downgrade back to python24. If the server is production and you just need it back up fast you may consider returning it to its pre-python25 upgrade condition. Then conduct your python25 experimentation on a non-production test box. Before any major change of this sort I _always_ do backup dumps of my server. So if something goes south I can immediately restore the server to the state it was in prior to mucking it up. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] İ am reinstaling many times mod_python-3.3.1_2 and Python25 but in httpd-error.log still shown *Apache/2.2.6 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.6 OpenSSL/0.9.7e-p1 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.4 with Suhosin-Patch configured -- resuming normal *operations means apache22 is still running with *Python/2.4.4 *how can i get rid of this?!? ls /var/db/ports apache22php5py-django portupgrade *python25*ruby ls /var/db/pkg/ db41-4.1.25_4 *mod_python-3.3.1_2* *python25-2.5.2_3* py24-django-1.0pkgdb.db py24-flup-1.0.1 portupgrade-2.4.6,2 py24-setuptools-0.6c9 -- Share now a pigeon's flight Bluebound along the ancient skies, Its women forever hair and mammal, A Mediterranean town may arise If you rip apart a pigeon's heart. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
Yuri wrote: I tried using it but Desktop view window that was initially created when I first launched kde4 doesn't appear with the second launch. I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet. Anyone can use it without major annoyances? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Missing kde4 in current, found it only in ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-7.1-release/All/kde4-4.1.1.tbz OTRS 2.3.3 is out, but in OTRS 2.3.2 some perlmodules will not be installed, i think (Text/CSV.pm is missing). Mailscanner devel is at version 4.72.2, in ports its develversion 4.60.5_3. Perl is at 5.10, in ports is version 5.8.8, which run good. :( ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
I tried using it but Desktop view window that was initially created when I first launched kde4 doesn't appear with the second launch. I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet. Anyone can use it without major annoyances? the question should be Is KDE usable at all on any OS? the answer is no, it's crappy imitation of windoze. If someone needs windoze like soft, just buy windows vista. For someone who need unix, FreeBSD is a good choice. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD? To: Yuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 11:34 AM I tried using it but Desktop view window that was initially created when I first launched kde4 doesn't appear with the second launch. I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet. Anyone can use it without major annoyances? the question should be Is KDE usable at all on any OS? the answer is no, it's crappy imitation of windoze. If someone needs windoze like soft, just buy windows vista. For someone who need unix, FreeBSD is a good choice. I rather like KDE4. I don't find that it's like Windows at all, given that Windows is an operating system and KDE4 is a development framework, application suite, and window manager. There're hefty differences there, not the least of which being that KDE4 isn't an operating system kernel. In general, I've found it to be well-maintained (some of the window managers I've used in the past went defunct when the 1-2 developers actively working on them got bored or whatever), nicely designed, attractive appearance-wise, and easy to configure. Let's face it, spending a whole bunch of hours over the course of a few weeks writing a perfect afterstep config was really cool when I was a young'un and didn't have a life to worry about, but nowadays I just want to get on with what needs doing. KDE allows me to accomplish just that, efficiently, and without leaving me unable to toggle/modify/configure certain things as GNOME does. - mdh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
El día Saturday, November 01, 2008 a las 04:34:38PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar escribió: I tried using it but Desktop view window that was initially created when I first launched kde4 doesn't appear with the second launch. I believe KDE4 isn't ready yet. Anyone can use it without major annoyances? the question should be Is KDE usable at all on any OS? the answer is no, it's crappy imitation of windoze. If someone needs windoze like soft, just buy windows vista. For someone who need unix, FreeBSD is a good choice. I disagree concerning KDE windoze; I'm using KDE 3.5.8 and it is a very good and stable desktop, even for kernel folks and hackers; I run it with FreeBSD 7.0R on my daily work laptop; In August I've ported in a test machine from the ports KDE 4.1.0 and it was to unstable for daily usage, at least at this time; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port versions query
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Jim Pazarena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried the 5.1 mysql port, and found that it was a 5.1.26-rc ... RC so I rolled back to 5.0.67 Is there a way to tell in general what version is 'current' for FreeBSD 7? How could I query any given port in general and see which version it would install? -- Jim Pazarena [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could view the ports tree online at http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ If you read the Makefile, changelog, and/or description, it'll tell you which version it is. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. that's why i compare it to windoze. and why you need desktop (whatever it means) at all? just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc. all of them does exactly what's needed. windows management and menu. what else do you need to WORK? i mean work, not showing up to your friends. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. that's why i compare it to windoze. and why you need desktop (whatever it means) at all? just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc. all of them does exactly what's needed. windows management and menu. what else do you need to WORK? i mean work, not showing up to your friends. O reason not the need! Our basest beggars Are in the poorest thing superfluous. Allow not nature more than nature needs, Man's life is as cheap as beast's. Thou art a lady: If only to go warm were gorgeous, Why, nature needs not what thou gorgeous wear'st, Which scarcely keeps thee warm. But, for true need-- You heavens, give me that patience, patience I need. You see me here, you gods, a poor old man, As full of grief as age, wretched in both. If it be you that stirs these daughters' hearts Against their father, fool me not so much To bear it tamely; touch me with noble anger, And let not women's weapons, water drops, Stain my man's cheeks. No, you unnatural hags! I will have such revenges on you both That all the world shall--I will do such things-- What they are, yet I know not; but they shall be The terrors of the earth. You think I'll weep. No, I'll not weep. I have full cause of weeping, but this heart Shall break into a hundred thousand flaws, Or ere I'll weep. O Fool, I shall go mad! (Lear to his daughters Goneril and Regan, King Lear, Act 2, Scene 4, lines 263-285) Sorry - couldn' resist! atb Glyn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:57:17 + Glyn Millington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Lear to his daughters Goneril and Regan, King Lear, Act 2, Scene 4, lines 263-285) glyn, it is evident from lines 283-285 that lear used windoze. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
Wojciech Puchar wrote: it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. that's why i compare it to windoze. and why you need desktop (whatever it means) at all? You need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by simple users. Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users. I don't want to deal command lines/config files for mundane things like finding and setting up wireless networks, playing CDs/DVDs, etc. GUI integrated with desktop would make this much less time consuming. just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc. not really enough. Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested development-stage software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
and why you need desktop (whatever it means) at all? You need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by simple users. why you want unix be adopted by simple users? they already have windows - perfect for them, and exactly what they deserve Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users. exactly wrong. it make my life harder. these advanced users you say don't like to read manuals and do once simple config taking few minutes. Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested development-stage software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason. they try to compete with windoze - so they behave the same way! who first learned that giving unfinished/buggy/incomplete software to users is a good (in marketing point of view) thing? Microsoft! they learn from it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: about vi editor and turkish char
Hello, Where do I have to specify LANG ... expression to support any language in VI ? Ok. I have no problem in many editors about that but I wish to learn for vi . El día Friday, October 31, 2008 a las 06:31:02PM +0200, Yavuz Maslak escribió: Hello I use Freebsd7.0. I am not able to use turkish char while I edit a file with vi editor. How can I correct that ? Hello, You could use a 'xterm' with UTF-8 support, a correct LANG environment, for example LANG=es_ES.UTF-8, and the editor 'vim' (from the ports); to enter UTF-8 chars which are not on your keyboard you could use, for example, KDE's application KCharSelect HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A netgraph question.
I was wondering if this was the correct list to ask a few questions related to netgraph. If not could someone point me to the right one? ---jdp ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
Yuri wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. that's why i compare it to windoze. and why you need desktop (whatever it means) at all? You need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by simple users. Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users. I don't want to deal command lines/config files for mundane things like finding and setting up wireless networks, playing CDs/DVDs, etc. GUI integrated with desktop would make this much less time consuming. If I need to (re)configure the behaviour of som app or part of the system, I edit the appropriate config file, which takes about a minute or two... If a user of some fancy desktop with lots of whistles and bells wants to do the same, he/she has to browse through an extensive hierarchy of categories and subcategories to get to the setting he/she wants to change. That hierarchy is more than often far from intuitive, so that very same task may take ten minutes or more. In what way is the latter easier than the first? I see none... just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc. not really enough. Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested development-stage software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sincerly, Rolf Nielsen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Rolf G Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rolf G Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 3:27 PM Yuri wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. that's why i compare it to windoze. and why you need desktop (whatever it means) at all? You need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by simple users. Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users. I don't want to deal command lines/config files for mundane things like finding and setting up wireless networks, playing CDs/DVDs, etc. GUI integrated with desktop would make this much less time consuming. If I need to (re)configure the behaviour of som app or part of the system, I edit the appropriate config file, which takes about a minute or two... Unless you've never modified the configs for that app before, in which case you have to learn the configuration format. It also sometimes occurs that these formats and locations and whatnot are changed between released by the developers. Above and beyond that, some apps have good configuration documentation and are a breeze. Others, less so. I'm not advocating a user interface for configuring everything, but for certain things which are inherently extremely complex, such as window manager layout and behavior, it's my opinion that it really is a time-saver. If a user of some fancy desktop with lots of whistles and bells wants to do the same, he/she has to browse through an extensive hierarchy of categories and subcategories to get to the setting he/she wants to change. That hierarchy is more than often far from intuitive, so that very same task may take ten minutes or more. I find KDE's configuration interface to be intuitive and generally quite sane. GNOME's isn't lacking in that area either, imho, it's just lacking a lot of options that I feel ought to be tunable parameters (most of which are, but require extensive config file hacking...) The simple fact is that I can configure my KDE desktop quicker than someone can, seeking the same granularity of modification, configure something which has no UI for configuration. This isn't too big a deal for me, or you, or likely many of the folks on this list, but for someone who is new to FreeBSD and has never hacked a window manager config file before, it likely is. They'd have to spend quite some time learning the format and locations, and finally doing the tweaking to get what they actually want from their system. Part of the reason a lot of folks use FreeBSD is for its flexibility. One can do a great deal with a FreeBSD system. It doesn't have to be taxing. There's no sense in giving out hardcore points to people who expend time and energy doing something that can be done more efficiently through a UI and without the learning curve. In what way is the latter easier than the first? I see none... The fact is that your opinion (and mine, for that matter) are fairly subjective. I've done things both ways - I was using FreeBSD before KDE and GNOME were at all widely used, and if you wanted a decent looking desktop that functioned the way you wanted to be most productive, you had to hack a config file. That said, I just don't see how KDE's configuration system (as this is the topic at hand in this thread) is at all counterintuitive. just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc. not really enough. Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested development-stage software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason. I disagree on the failure part. As far as bugs being released, it happens in the closed-source world plenty, too. Consider if you will service packs for MSWindows. As a programmer in the real world, you're going to mess up. You'll make typos. Things that work well on your computers may not work well on other peoples'. Only a limited number of people actively beta test early releases of software. Consider the number of FreeBSD users running HEAD to those running RELENG_? to those running RELENG_?_? or a -RELEASE. Most people don't run HEAD all the time because they want/need a system that is stable and can't spend some number of hours each day or week or month updating their world+kernel from CVS. Yet HEAD is where bugs get introduced and, hopefully!, fixed. As far as KDE4 being untested, I'd send you over to the KDE folks to let them set you straight on that. The short of it is that you're just flat-out wrong. KDE4 runs pretty well. I've come upon two bugs in it. One is nigh-impossible to track down and deal with, but is a minor graphical issue that doesn't get in my
Re: gmirror slice insertion, FAILURE - READ_DMA status=51READY, DSC, ERROR
Thomas Sparrevohn wrote: The error occured after I had the disk for a couple of days - WHat puzzled me was that the drive did not do it automatically Hard disks will not map uncorrectable bad sectors on read automatically, as it no longer knows what the contents of that sector should be. In this instance, the sector is usually remapped during a write. Given the symptoms of the problem described above, it looks like this uncorrectable sector is located in a portion of the disk that isn't touched by FreeBSD's newfs or installation procedure, and would never have a chance to be written to and corrected. Then, when the mirror sync occurs (which copies every block verbatim, regardless of whether it's in use or not) it's choking on that sector and locking up the disk, thus freezing the OS. One thing to try prior to RMAing the disk is to fill the entire disk with zeroes (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad6 bs=131072 or similar) to give its firmware a chance to remap all flakey sectors, and rewrite all ECC information. I do this with every new or freshly acquired disk that's guaranteed to be empty, to ensure that no surprise errors bite me later on, as well as to make sure no previous data hangs around. -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Furry Peace! - http://.fur.com/peace/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A netgraph question.
OK so here it goes. I actually have two seperate questions involving netgraph, I am new to this subject so please bare with me. If there is a better way to achieve these goals too, please suggest them but I think netgraph is the way to go. The first part involves allowing a userland program to communicate with a kernel module, similar to how netlink works in Linux. The second part involves intercepting network packets and possibly manipulating them before they are allowed to proceed, similar to how netfilter works. I believe I can do both of these with the netgraph (ng_socket and possibly ng_ether). I haven't looked closely at ng_ether yet so I'll focus on ng_socket. I have been able to create a ng_socket (Control and Data) using the socket call as described in All About NetGraphs and the man page. I've also been able to 'name' the node using bind. I was able to verify this using ngctl. I know (from the man page) I should eventually be able to send/receive using the sendto/recvfrom functions once the connection is established. But beyond this I don't know how to proceed. So the question is what are the next steps. For example: Although I see a named netgraph node there are no hooks. ng_socket says it supports an arbitrary number of hooks so how do I create the hooks? Then of course how do I connect them. Of course I realize that I proabably need to create a node on the kernel side so which type of netgraph node would be suggested? How is it created and then hooked to the ng_socket? Again I am looking to allow some IPC between a userland program and a kernel module similar to the Linux netlink. I've been through most man pages and can't seem to find a lot of good documentation or example code so I am hoping to get some pointers here. BTW If this is the wrong list please directly to the right place to ask. Thanks in advance. ---jdp ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
Hi folks I tried netinstall of stable and current. Both versions of the installer dont have driver for my NIC. How to get ethernet working? lscpi on Debian Lenny: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev b0) kind regards Sven ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Funny slogans to put on tshirts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Redd Vinylene wrote: Hello guys, It's my friend's birthday tomorrow. I was thinking I'd make him a tshirt with some funny slogan on it or something. Preferably something UNIX related. But I'm all outta ideas. Perhaps y'all can help? Alright, much obliged, thanks. just run fortune - -- GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkM4yQACgkQtl8kq+nCzNHxSACfRPo5dGk3/WapbBqyKCVNNbkj fecAnjtBXmyC41URNW9nVVoLotbZF/A4 =kGyU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A netgraph question.
Joe Pellegrino wrote: OK so here it goes. I actually have two seperate questions involving netgraph, I am new to this subject so please bare with me. If there is a better way to achieve these goals too, please suggest them but I think netgraph is the way to go. The first part involves allowing a userland program to communicate with a kernel module, similar to how netlink works in Linux. The second part involves intercepting network packets and possibly manipulating them before they are allowed to proceed, similar to how netfilter works. I believe I can do both of these with the netgraph (ng_socket and possibly ng_ether). I haven't looked closely at ng_ether yet so I'll focus on ng_socket. I have been able to create a ng_socket (Control and Data) using the socket call as described in All About NetGraphs and the man page. I've also been able to 'name' the node using bind. I was able to verify this using ngctl. I know (from the man page) I should eventually be able to send/receive using the sendto/recvfrom functions once the connection is established. But beyond this I don't know how to proceed. So the question is what are the next steps. For example: Although I see a named netgraph node there are no hooks. ng_socket says it supports an arbitrary number of hooks so how do I create the hooks? Then of course how do I connect them. Of course I realize that I proabably need to create a node on the kernel side so which type of netgraph node would be suggested? How is it created and then hooked to the ng_socket? Again I am looking to allow some IPC between a userland program and a kernel module similar to the Linux netlink. I've been through most man pages and can't seem to find a lot of good documentation or example code so I am hoping to get some pointers here. BTW If this is the wrong list please directly to the right place to ask. Thanks in advance. ---jdp Have you looked into how systat -ifstat works ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A netgraph question.
Bryant Eadon wrote: Joe Pellegrino wrote: OK so here it goes. I actually have two seperate questions involving netgraph, I am new to this subject so please bare with me. If there is a better way to achieve these goals too, please suggest them but I think netgraph is the way to go. The first part involves allowing a userland program to communicate with a kernel module, similar to how netlink works in Linux. The second part involves intercepting network packets and possibly manipulating them before they are allowed to proceed, similar to how netfilter works. I believe I can do both of these with the netgraph (ng_socket and possibly ng_ether). I haven't looked closely at ng_ether yet so I'll focus on ng_socket. I have been able to create a ng_socket (Control and Data) using the socket call as described in All About NetGraphs and the man page. I've also been able to 'name' the node using bind. I was able to verify this using ngctl. I know (from the man page) I should eventually be able to send/receive using the sendto/recvfrom functions once the connection is established. But beyond this I don't know how to proceed. So the question is what are the next steps. For example: Although I see a named netgraph node there are no hooks. ng_socket says it supports an arbitrary number of hooks so how do I create the hooks? Then of course how do I connect them. Of course I realize that I proabably need to create a node on the kernel side so which type of netgraph node would be suggested? How is it created and then hooked to the ng_socket? Again I am looking to allow some IPC between a userland program and a kernel module similar to the Linux netlink. I've been through most man pages and can't seem to find a lot of good documentation or example code so I am hoping to get some pointers here. BTW If this is the wrong list please directly to the right place to ask. Thanks in advance. ---jdp Have you looked into how systat -ifstat works ? Whoops. Wrong thread. Please ignore. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Error trying to fetch kdelibs-4.1.3.tar.bz2
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Re: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
--- On Sat, 11/1/08, Sven Aluoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sven Aluoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 6:43 PM Hi folks I tried netinstall of stable and current. Both versions of the installer dont have driver for my NIC. How to get ethernet working? lscpi on Debian Lenny: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev b0) kind regards Sven If I recall correctly, the eeepc 1000H has an Attansic L1E, not an L1, ethernet controller chipset. FreeBSD RELENG_7 has support for the L1 and the L2, but I've heard that the L1E doesn't work yet. You should do some searching for a driver, it's possible one of our fine developers is looking for helping testing one they're working on. ;) - mdh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
Yuri wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. that's why i compare it to windoze. and why you need desktop (whatever it means) at all? You need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by simple users. Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users. I don't want to deal command lines/config files for mundane things like finding and setting up wireless networks, playing CDs/DVDs, etc. GUI integrated with desktop would make this much less time consuming. just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc. not really enough. Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested development-stage software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ### Aloha, Try XFCE 3 or 4 for an excellent OS window manager. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD on Eeepc 1000h
Sven Aluoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried netinstall of stable and current. Both versions of the installer dont have driver for my NIC. How to get ethernet working? lscpi on Debian Lenny: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev b0) Seems that you may be interested at: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=343551+0+current/freebsd-current WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:36:30 -1000, Al Plant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aloha, Try XFCE 3 or 4 for an excellent OS window manager. XFCE 3 can be turned into a CDE lookalike if it's desired. It's very lightweight and still features all the nice things you know from a UNIX X environment. Zsers coming from CDE will feel comfortable, if you take the time to tweak the settings a little bit. XFCE 4 has turned into the third big player, right in one line with KDE and Gnome. If you don't mind ressources, XFCE 4 is really an excellent piece of software, you even won't miss dsktop effects featured by KDE or Gnome. It's very versatile in these regards. See these: http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44/ http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44-part-2/ In my opinion - and that's very individual, you know - WindowMaker is one of the best window managers around. Fast, lightweight, easy to configure, excellent keyboard support (that's where the other ones are lacking), ah, and did I mention it's fast? You can provide a useful (!) system even on a P1 150 MHz system with it. No joke. If the magic of the tiling window managers opens up to you, you will even be more productive. Allthough I tried several of them, their magic wouldn't open up to me... :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The FreeBSD Diary: 2008-10-12 - 2008-11-01
The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists and/or The FreeBSD Diary http://www.freebsddiary.org/. -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Error trying to fetch kdebase-workspace-4.1.3.tar.bz2
Does anyone have s ite where i can manually d/l kdebase-workspace-4.1.3.tar.bz2 as all the addies in the freebsd ports list for the file arent working for myself. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mounting Sony Ericsson v630i
Hello list, First of all: Please keep me in To/Cc; I'm not on the list. I am trying to mount my Sony Ericsson v630i telephone; connected with an USB cable. In short: How can I tell FreeBSD to wait for checking the device till I chose for file-transfer-mode ? Or recheck after I had the chance to choose that mode ? Full text: If I plug the cable; dmesg says: ugen0: Sony Ericsson Sony Ericsson V630, class 2/0, rev 2.00/0.00, addr 2 on uhub1 ugen0: at uhub1 port 2 (addr 2) disconnected ugen0: detached umass0: Sony Ericsson Memory Stick, class 0/0, rev 2.00/0.00, addr 2 on uhub1 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Sony Eri Memory Stick Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device da0: 1.000MB/s transfers da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present At this moment, /dev/da0 exists and it shows up in devlist: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# camcontrol devlist -v scbus0 on umass-sim0 bus 0: Sony Eri Memory Stick at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) scbus-1 on xpt0 bus 0: at scbus-1 target -1 lun -1 (xpt0) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# camcontrol tur da0 Unit is not ready [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# camcontrol tur da0 Unit is ready (tur always says 'not ready' the first run; and from the second run always 'ready') But; da0s1 doesn't show up I played around with camcontrol and suddenly da0s1 showed up; and I was able to mount it. The problem is that I don't know what to do if I want my da0s1; repeating the same steps (the camcontrol commands I hit in random order) doesn't do the trick. I think the problem lies within the way the telephone works: If I plug the cable, it sees the connection and asks whether I want to transfer files or use 'telephone mode' (be a mode for the computer I think). and it only reveals the filesystem when tansfer-mode is chosen. So how can I tell FreeBSD to wait checking for filesystems etc till I choose transfer-mode ? Or how can I let it do the check again ? I assume he marks the device as useless after not being able to determine the filesystem size. FreeBSD istud.quis.cx 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #0 r184077M: Mon Oct 20 16:22:26 CEST 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ISTUD amd64 (svn + multi-IP jail patches) -- Jille ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Shell Script using Awk
My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need to use awk to generate a report. I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records, each delimited by a single space. I need to print those records in columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line: record1 record2 record3 record4 record5 record6 record7 record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14 ... Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere. Thanks! -- David promising never to do this again Allen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Shell Script using Awk
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 06:21:55PM -0700, David Allen wrote:
My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
to use awk to generate a report.
I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
each delimited by a single space. I need to print those records in
columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
record1 record2 record3 record4 record5 record6 record7
record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
...
Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.
$ cat input
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
$ cat output.awk
{
print $1 $2$3$4$5$6$7
print $8 $9 $10 $11 $12 $13 $14
}
$ cat intput | awk -f output.awk
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7
col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
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Error trying to fetch various KDE 4.1.3 files
Im trying to d/l various packages for KDE4.1.3, but so far none of the mirror sites etc listed seem to have the pakackages for me to build the port, is anyone else having this isue ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
Wojciech Puchar wrote: Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users. exactly wrong. it make my life harder. these advanced users you say don't like to read manuals and do once simple config taking few minutes. totally wrong. imagine setting up WiFi network. one mouse click opens WiFi manager window. another double-click selects network to connect. another click closes the window of WiFi manager. How in the world it can be easier to do this with config files Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested development-stage software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason. they try to compete with windoze - so they behave the same way! who first learned that giving unfinished/buggy/incomplete software to users is a good (in marketing point of view) thing? Microsoft! they learn from it. they try to compete and fail. doesn't matter who did what first. today windoze gui is way more usable than kde4. that's the only thing that matters. if kde4 were a commercial company they would have been fired or go out of business long time ago. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:43:54 -0700 Yuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users. exactly wrong. it make my life harder. these advanced users you say don't like to read manuals and do once simple config taking few minutes. totally wrong. imagine setting up WiFi network. one mouse click opens WiFi manager window. another double-click selects network to connect. another click closes the window of WiFi manager. How in the world it can be easier to do this with config files Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested development-stage software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason. they try to compete with windoze - so they behave the same way! who first learned that giving unfinished/buggy/incomplete software to users is a good (in marketing point of view) thing? Microsoft! they learn from it. they try to compete and fail. doesn't matter who did what first. today windoze gui is way more usable than kde4. that's the only thing that matters. if kde4 were a commercial company they would have been fired or go out of business long time ago. I think it depends on what you want to do. For developers KDE4 provides all the features you'd want such as smart text editors, a nice terminal and lots of applications. For normal users I'm not so sure a stock KDE4 is so usable; however having recently used Ubuntu and seen what can be done with Gnome, I'm sure KDE can be configured to be just as good. Talking of Ubuntu, I believe it's now almost as easy to use as Windows, and that's for 'normal' users who don't know much about computers. There are some things that are missing: for example if for some reason it fails to automatically setup the monitor then you're kinda stuck, but all the rest works. As an example of its usability I plugged a new printer in and a few seconds later a notification popped up asking me to select settings, paper type etc. That's neat. I took some photos and plugged my SDHC card into a reader: a photo import application popped up and I could nagivate the photos and select which to copy over. It's smarts like these that really make the difference. I consider myself a power user but I do enjoy things like that being done for me, since I would much prefer to spend my time coding instead of hacking config files to import files, get stuff printed etc. Most people I know are moving from Debian to Ubuntu for the same reason - things just work. At the same time, it's nice to know that if anything does start getting in your way it's still easy to change a few settings to turn it off. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Shell Script using Awk
On 11/1/08, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 06:21:55PM -0700, David Allen wrote:
My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
to use awk to generate a report.
I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
each delimited by a single space. I need to print those records in
columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
record1 record2 record3 record4 record5 record6 record7
record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
...
Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.
$ cat input
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
$ cat output.awk
{
print $1 $2$3$4$5$6$7
print $8 $9 $10 $11 $12 $13 $14
}
$ cat intput | awk -f output.awk
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7
col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
Thanks for the reply, Jeremy, but that approach would require an
entirely manual approach, which isn't suitable for what I'm working
with. Writing a script that's the same size as the data I'm working
with isn't an option. ;-)
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Re: OT: Shell Script using Awk
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 08:17:54PM -0800, David Allen wrote:
On 11/1/08, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 06:21:55PM -0700, David Allen wrote:
My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
to use awk to generate a report.
I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
each delimited by a single space. I need to print those records in
columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
record1 record2 record3 record4 record5 record6 record7
record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
...
Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.
$ cat input
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
$ cat output.awk
{
print $1 $2$3$4$5$6$7
print $8 $9 $10 $11 $12 $13 $14
}
$ cat intput | awk -f output.awk
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7
col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
Thanks for the reply, Jeremy, but that approach would require an
entirely manual approach, which isn't suitable for what I'm working
with. Writing a script that's the same size as the data I'm working
with isn't an option. ;-)
I'm confused -- what's the problem?
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Re: OT: Shell Script using Awk
On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:21:55 -0700, David Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
to use awk to generate a report.
I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
each delimited by a single space. I need to print those records in
columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
record1 record2 record3 record4 record5 record6 record7
record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
...
Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.
Is this what you're after?
$ cat input
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
col15 col16
cat input | awk -F\ '{for (i=1;iNF;i+=7) print
$i,$(i+1),$(i+2),$(i+3),$(i+4),$(i+5),$(i+6) }'
Thanks!
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Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 08:49:09AM -0700, mdh wrote: I rather like KDE4. I don't find that it's like Windows at all, given that Windows is an operating system and KDE4 is a development framework, application suite, and window manager. There're hefty differences there, not the least of which being that KDE4 isn't an operating system kernel. In general, I've found it to be well-maintained (some of the window managers I've used in the past went defunct when the 1-2 developers actively working on them got bored or whatever), nicely designed, attractive appearance-wise, and easy to configure. Let's face it, spending a whole bunch of hours over the course of a few weeks writing a perfect afterstep config was really cool when I was a young'un and didn't have a life to worry about, but nowadays I just want to get on with what needs doing. KDE allows me to accomplish just that, efficiently, and without leaving me unable to toggle/modify/configure certain things as GNOME does. My preference is to simply find a window manager that acts as much like my ideal as possible in its default, unconfigured form -- and make a few minor tweaks as necessary. What I don't want is something that has a whole bunch of stuff heaped on it to cover every possible eventuality the developers envision, leaving me still wanting more, with an easy configuration interface to try to make up for the lacks. That, I'm afraid, is how KDE feels to me. Worse yet, KDE4 strikes me as significantly counter-intuitive. I'm aware that intuitive in interfaces is a matter of familiarity -- but I think it's relevant in this case, in that KDE and GNOME seem to a fair degree to have a need to cater to the familiarity of people who also use OSes like MS Windows and Apple MacOS X. While my primary sense of familiarity (and thus the intuitive) isn't with MS and Apple OSes, they do kinda fill in the secondary and tertiary spots for me; KDE4 falls into line somewhere back around 20th for me. It seems to me like it has several configuration options lacking in something like MS Windows, and lacks several that something like MS Windows has -- but has made poor trade-offs, adding less important configuration options and removing more important options, based on what I've seen so far. This view of KDE4 is based my recent experience (a few days ago) of installing and configuring PC-BSD on a laptop for a friend. PC-BSD's default version of KDE4 is a newer iteration than what's in FreeBSD ports, so it certainly isn't a matter of the default install having a slightly older minor version number and needing to be upgraded. The somewhat broken functionality is a bit of a problem, too -- such as the Plasma Desktop Folder View's inability to just show the damned icons properly, the tendency of KDE to crash and restart when I try to make certain changes with widgets unlocked, panels that might vanish from view when I try to move them but are apparently still running *somewhere*, and so on. I've never been much of a fan of KDE, ever since I discovered the joys of window managers that aren't derivative of the MS/Apple WIMP style, but KDE4 strikes me as a case of some visionary project manager stepping on his own virtual genitals. I don't know -- maybe I just don't get the new direction for KDE4. Maybe it's awesome for someone's purposes. It's terrible for mine. . . . not that I think GNOME 2.24 is any better. I'll stick with AHWM for now, long since abandoned by its developer, but so elegant in operation and configuration that it really doesn't even need any further development. It does what it needs to do, and doesn't screw around with a bunch of singing and dancing and backflips to distract me from the fact it doesn't do anything fundamentally new. Just one man's opinion. Yours is surely different. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Wall: Perl is, in intent, a cleaned up and summarized version of that wonderful semi-natural language known as 'Unix'. pgpXJ9VJn0uMZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Shell Script using Awk
On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:17:54 -0800, David Allen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/1/08, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 06:21:55PM -0700, David Allen wrote:
My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
to use awk to generate a report.
I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
each delimited by a single space. I need to print those records in
columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
record1 record2 record3 record4 record5 record6 record7
record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
...
Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.
$ cat input
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
$ cat output.awk
{
print $1 $2$3$4$5$6$7
print $8 $9 $10 $11 $12 $13 $14
}
$ cat intput | awk -f output.awk
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7
col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
Maybe you want them to line up too. Would using tabs be appropriate?
Maybe something like this?
awk -F\ '{for (i=1;iNF;i+=7) print $i \t $(i+1) \t $(i+2) \t
$(i+3) \t $(i+4) \t $(i+5) \t $(i+6) }' input
Thanks for the reply, Jeremy, but that approach would require an
entirely manual approach, which isn't suitable for what I'm working
with. Writing a script that's the same size as the data I'm working
with isn't an option. ;-)
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Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 05:04:15PM +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Saturday, November 01, 2008 a las 04:34:38PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar escribió: the question should be Is KDE usable at all on any OS? the answer is no, it's crappy imitation of windoze. If someone needs windoze like soft, just buy windows vista. For someone who need unix, FreeBSD is a good choice. I disagree concerning KDE windoze; I'm using KDE 3.5.8 and it is a very good and stable desktop, even for kernel folks and hackers; I run it with FreeBSD 7.0R on my daily work laptop; My impression, over the last few years, is that the above description is backwards. MS Windows seems to be emulating KDE, rather than the other way around. Vista looked surprisingly like KDE3 when it made it into the public eye, and the rumor now is that the 7 pre-beta looks surprisingly like KDE4. As such, KDE appears to be an excellent choice for a gentle transition from MS Windows to the Unixy world -- and it may provide a better experience overall. Still . . . KDE isn't for me. Besides all that, this thread was spawned by reference to KDE4, which is significantly different in behavior than KDE3 in some insidious ways. As such, I'm not sure one's experience with KDE3 is the best litmus for whether KDE4 is or will be a good choice. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Bill McKibben: The laws of Congress and the laws of physics have grown increasingly divergent, and the laws of physics are not likely to yield. pgpsq3VL0DwrW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Shell Script using Awk
David Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
to use awk to generate a report.
I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
each delimited by a single space. I need to print those records in
columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
record1 record2 record3 record4 record5 record6 record7
record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
...
A small sh script:
#!/bin/sh
awk ' {
for (i=1; i=NF; i++) {
printf(%s , $i)
if (i % 7 == 0) { printf(\n) }
}
if (NF % 7 != 0) { printf(\n) }
} ' input
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Re: OT: Shell Script using Awk
On 11/1/08, Gary Newcombe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:21:55 -0700, David Allen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
to use awk to generate a report.
I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
each delimited by a single space. I need to print those records in
columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
record1 record2 record3 record4 record5 record6 record7
record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
...
Should be simple, but I'm getting nowhere.
Is this what you're after?
$ cat input
col1 col2 col3 col4 col5 col6 col7 col8 col9 col10 col11 col12 col13 col14
col15 col16
cat input | awk -F\ '{for (i=1;iNF;i+=7) print
$i,$(i+1),$(i+2),$(i+3),$(i+4),$(i+5),$(i+6) }'
Bingo! That was what similar to what I was starting with before
going off on a tangent. Seems I screwed up the syntax and gave up too
early.
Thanks, Gary.
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Re: OT: Shell Script using Awk
On 11/1/08, Sahil Tandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My apologies for asking on this list, but I'm stuck without Perl and need
to use awk to generate a report.
I'm working with a large data set spread across multiple files, but to
keep things simple, say I have A Very Long String that containing records,
each delimited by a single space. I need to print those records in
columnar format, but with only 7 columns per line:
record1 record2 record3 record4 record5 record6 record7
record08 record09 record10 record11 record12 record13 record14
...
A small sh script:
#!/bin/sh
awk ' {
for (i=1; i=NF; i++) {
printf(%s , $i)
if (i % 7 == 0) { printf(\n) }
}
if (NF % 7 != 0) { printf(\n) }
} ' input
An elegant solution if ever I read one. The mod operator should have
been the first thing that came to mind.
I'm not sure whether I need a class in remedial math, or remedial awk,
but either way, my thanks for the solution.
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Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD?
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 10:43:56AM -0700, Yuri wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: it's SLOW and resource hungry - giving nothing else than a good look. that's why i compare it to windoze. and why you need desktop (whatever it means) at all? You need desktop for Unix (Linux) to be adopted by simple users. Also GUI makes life much easier even for advanced users. I don't want to deal command lines/config files for mundane things like finding and setting up wireless networks, playing CDs/DVDs, etc. GUI integrated with desktop would make this much less time consuming. A couple of things: 1. It's true -- many users require a gentler transition than simply giving up the richness of MS Windows and moving to some spare, productivity-enhancing user environment like some of those available on Unix systems. Luckily, Unix can accomodate many different approaches to a GUI environment, so all can be happy with what they have. That's one of the benefits of a Unix architecture, as opposed to one where the underlying OS is wedded to its desktop metaphor implementation. 2. One doesn't need a Desktop Environment to have a GUI -- a point I think you glossed over or even missed entirely. One doesn't even need the DE for GUI-based configuration. 3. The command line is not more time consuming than the GUI for most purposes. It is, in fact, *less* time consuming, as well as being more powerful and flexible, for most purposes. There are some tasks for which a GUI approach is the most effective, and there are many more for which a TUI is better. What makes the GUI easier for many people is that it doesn't tend to have as high an initial learning curve. Once you get past the initial learning curve, though, the CLI is far more productive and efficient than a GUI in most cases, at least in my experience. It's all a bit like the relative learning curves of various editing environment: http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/curves.jpg just window manager is enough, try fvwm2 maybe icewm maybe other etc. not really enough. Unfortunately open source is pretty much a failure when it comes to GUI and desktop. Any kind of GUI, look at ddd for example. Untested development-stage software (like kde4) is being released to the public for some reason. No, it isn't a failure. It's a raging success in many ways. Its only failures are in marketing, for the most part. KDE4 is buggy as hell in my experience, but it's no worse than the GUI environment for Millenium Edition. In addition to that, we in the open source world still have significant advances over the bells-and-whistles aesthetic of MS Windows, in more ways than one: 1. We have better bells and whistles. Compiz Fusion comes to mind. 2. We have better interface design. Even though Compiz Fusion is a steaming pile of unnecessary crap in my personal opinion (where UI design is concerned), it's still leagues ahead of Aero Glass for purposes of productivity enhancement (or at least refraining from getting in the way of productivity), and both GNOME and KDE4 are better than XP's UI in that regard. 3. A bunch of other GUI environments are far, far better than the typical DEs of the OSS world in terms of productivity enhancing UI design; they stay the hell out of the way while providing functionality that improves user task completion efficiency. The ddd example is kind of unfair, by the way. That's a common GNU problem, not a broader open source problem. It's my experience that the GNU project is full of people who have absolutely no idea how to design a decent interface. The GNU project is so influential, though, that once they come up with something that fits within a specific niche, the rest of the open source world seems reluctant to do anything to reach into the same niche and replace the GNU train-wreck of UI with a better UI. I mean, come on -- just look at Info Pages. What a disaster area. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Georg Hackl: American beer is the first successful attempt at diluting water. pgpbGCaMKcUlI.pgp Description: PGP signature
/stand/sysinstall freezed on FreeBSD 7.1 install
Dear Friends, I try to install FreeBSD 7.1 AMD64 beta 2 in an Intel Core 2 Duo and motherboard MSI 975X Platinum V.2m, but when /stand/sysinstall try to start from the installation CD, the system freezed and don't continue the install process. Anyone know how to solved this problem to install it Thanks and regards, Julian Bolivar ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
