Re: eps to jpg conversion - which program?
On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:36:32 -0800, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, what guarantee do you have that all the filenames that match that wildcard lack spaces in them? Your [ and convert commands will botch badly in that case. See below. This is completely correct. If files are present as foo.EPS, the Windows style of file naming, or foo.Eps in a mixed form, the *.eps wouldn't catch it. As you mentioned, it's good to assume the worst case. Not only spaces, as well special characters. Now *that's* the real fun. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent me | Copy [5] of C:\My Files\AV with ö and ß.Eps Another mentionable comment would be: Why do you call the variable just $f? Give it a better descriptive name. In this small example, it won't lead into significant problems if you don't do it, but I've seen shellscripts using $f, $f1, $f2, $g, $h, $y all over the file, and it was hard to find out which values they should hold. style-rant What people often forget while writing sh scripts is that spawning external utilities slows down the script greatly, and destroys system resources. You might think My machine has 923484390GB of RAM, and has 6500 processors; why do I care? -- step back for a moment and think about older/smaller boxes, or even more importantly, embedded machines (very little memory, very little CPU). Hey, that's how software development helps hardware development, or at least software development in Redmond. :-) Hardware ressources ++ Overall usage speed = = const. Software requirements ++ q.e.d. Also think about situations where fork() will fail due to resource limits or existing system resource exhaustion; what then? I see this regularly in perl scripts; people relying on `xxx` for no good reason. I ask them, Why are you doing this? Can you not use native-perl-code instead, and avoid wasting resources and excessive risk?, and they often have no idea what I'm talking about. And whenever I see `ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] command` in perl scripts, I cry. Ooow! Is this for real? If it is, it's a reason to hit someone's head with the keyboard. :-) That in mind, don't let your scripting mimic that of perl bastards who *intentionally* write obfuscated code just to show off (often citing its faster as the reason, choosing to intentionally ignore that perl is a compiled language). For complex pieces of sh that are hard to visually parse: try to keep it simple, and take the time to write decent/legible comments above the hairy part of the script. Indentation, comments and descriptive identifiers help a lot. If you read FreeBSD's (scripting) sources, you'll see that they are of high quality. Also remember that double-quoting filenames or variables that are used as filenames is a VERY good idea. Filenames with spaces are quite common these days. It's best to assume the worst, but not be *too* over-zealous. Especially when you're intending to use a piece of software, even if it's just a three line shell script, more than just one time, or if you want to share it with others. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: host -6 failure
--- On Sat, 11/8/08, David Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: David Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: host -6 failure
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 8:10 PM
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 7:55 PM, mdh
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--- On Sat, 11/8/08, David Horn
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From: David Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: host -6 failure
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 7:25 PM
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:18 PM, mdh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Howdy folks,
I'm having a little trouble understanding
a
problem that the `host` command in RELENG_7_0
(very recent)
is having.
The '-6' on the command line for host(1)
forces an
IPv6 only
connection to your nameserver, not necessarily a
query for the
hostname in question. In this case, your
nameservers
listed in the
warnings are IPv4 nameservers that host(1) is
attempting to
connect to
using an ipv4 mapped ipv6 address (which by
default is
disabled in the
kernel) In other words, don't use host -6 for
this
scenario.
Yet as I pointed out, the second nameserver in my
resolv.conf is ::1 - so shouldn't it work with that?
It's clearly trying to contact the first and third
nameservers listed. If the behavior I'm experiencing is
the proper behavior, then let me pose this question: when
would anyone conceivably want to use the -6 option, and why
does it exist? My intent was to force a query to hit the
nameserver on ::1 rather than 127.0.0.1.
domain mydomain
search mydomain
nameserver 127.0.0.1
nameserver ::1
nameserver IP.IP.IP.8
The DNS server running on localhost is
authoritative
for mydomain. I can ping it via localhost using
both v4 and
v6, and I can also ping the external v4 and v6
addresses
just fine remotely.
As I said, I'm new to IPv6, but this
behavior
seems to be counterintuitive. Am I just doing it
wrong?
For diagnosing your own nameservers, you are
better off
using the
dig(1) utility.
Example:
dig ipv6.google.com @::1
This causes a dns query for an IPv6 address (aka
query) for the
hostname of ipv6.google.com using the
nameserver on the IPv6
localhost loopback address (::1), and will give a
very nice
verbose
output. man dig for more details.
That is more useful, but still doesn't stifle my
desire to stomp a potential bug in the base system.
Right after sending, I realized that I did not tell you all
of the answer
host(1) will successfully query ::1 when named is setup to
listen on
::1 in named.conf, and ::1 is listed in /etc/resolv.conf (I
just ran a
test on my box to be sure that it works this way with the
-6 switch)
Example line from /etc/namedb/named.conf:
listen-on-v6{ ::1; any; };
And of course you need to restart named after the config
change(
/etc/rc.d/named restart)
To make sure that it is listening on the IPv6 loopback
address:
netstat -anW -f inet6
I do not remember the minimum version of bind (aka named)
required for
IPv6 off the top of my head, but I am running 9.4.2-P2 on
my IPv6
machine.
All of the conditions for success are true, however it fails. My DNS server
software is responsing on ::1 port 53 (tcp and udp), and ::1 is the second
nameserver listed in resolv.conf. Still, host -6 fails as previously stated...
According to what you've said so far, this leads me to believe that it ought
to work as expected, and not error out in the way I'm seeing.
Am I missing something here? Is my lack of general IPv6 knowledge causing me
to blindly assume something incorrectly?
Thanks, Matt
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Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:10:46 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:40:51AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a single directory. This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number of sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is? As far as I know, there is no such limit on the number of files/dirs inside of a directory. I don't want to change the topic of discussion, but I *highly* recommend you ***stop*** whatever it is you're doing that is creating such a directory structure. Software which has to iterate through that directory using opendir() and readdir() will get slower and slower as time goes on. If this is something you've written or have control over or can work with engineers in regards to, I recommend you change your directory naming scheme to have separate subdirectories with the first 2 or 3 letters of the directory you wish to create. E.g.: /some/place/00/00ilikezeros/* /some/place/01/01binaryheaven/* /some/place/aa/aardvarks/* /some/place/ab/abuse/* /some/place/ac/actuary/* ... /some/place/xy/xylophones/* You get the point. Traversing this structure is much more efficient, and requires very little code change on your part. Those who run nameservers that host many zones, for example, use this structure to ensure the daemon doesn't take 32498231 years to start up. What about ZFS? At some point I'll have to re-arrange things so that I have a deeper directory structure, just wondering when I'll hit the limit so I can plan in advance :-) What baffles me is why you're looking at this problem from a how can the filesystem solve this engineering mistake I made for me standpoint, rather than how can I solve this engineering mistake I made so that it doesn't impact the filesystem. Very strange. Sometimes looking at things in a different light makes all the difference. Hope this helps. P.S. -- I hope this mail makes it to you, because your From line is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I'll be surprised if your account name really is that!). Thanks for that Jeremy. I didn't invent this structure, but I daresay I can either modify it or get the original writer to do that. I never really gave it a thought before now - it was the system I was given to work with and it's worked fine so far, except when I try to list the contents of the directory - that takes ages! All the folders are 7 digit numbers and we are up to approx. 0010500 entries (ie subdirs) so far. I guess it will just be a matter of experimenting to find the optimum number of sub-sub-directories per sub-directory :-/ Oh, and yes, that email address does work - I use it for mailing lists and other stuff where I'm likely to get spammed - it's ironic really :-) Cheers, -- Ian gpg key: http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~imoore/no-spam.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: UFS2 limits
The number of files and sub-directories is limited by the number of available inodes which is fixed at the time you create the file system (by -i argument to newfs(8)). Anyway, stick with Jeremy's advise if you do not like trouble. Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:40:51AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a single directory. This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number of sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is? As far as I know, there is no such limit on the number of files/dirs inside of a directory. I don't want to change the topic of discussion, but I *highly* recommend you ***stop*** whatever it is you're doing that is creating such a directory structure. Software which has to iterate through that directory using opendir() and readdir() will get slower and slower as time goes on. If this is something you've written or have control over or can work with engineers in regards to, I recommend you change your directory naming scheme to have separate subdirectories with the first 2 or 3 letters of the directory you wish to create. E.g.: /some/place/00/00ilikezeros/* /some/place/01/01binaryheaven/* /some/place/aa/aardvarks/* /some/place/ab/abuse/* /some/place/ac/actuary/* ... /some/place/xy/xylophones/* You get the point. Traversing this structure is much more efficient, and requires very little code change on your part. Those who run nameservers that host many zones, for example, use this structure to ensure the daemon doesn't take 32498231 years to start up. What about ZFS? At some point I'll have to re-arrange things so that I have a deeper directory structure, just wondering when I'll hit the limit so I can plan in advance :-) What baffles me is why you're looking at this problem from a how can the filesystem solve this engineering mistake I made for me standpoint, rather than how can I solve this engineering mistake I made so that it doesn't impact the filesystem. Very strange. Sometimes looking at things in a different light makes all the difference. Hope this helps. P.S. -- I hope this mail makes it to you, because your From line is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I'll be surprised if your account name really is that!). -- Best regards. Hooman Fazaeli [3][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sepehr S. T. Co. Ltd. Web: [4]http://www.sepehrs.com Tel: (9821)88975701-2 Fax: (9821)88983352 References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. http://www.sepehrs.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 06:40:46PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:40:51AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a single
directory.
This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number of
sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is?
As far as I know, there is no such limit on the number of files/dirs
inside of a directory.
Actually there is. Each i-node on the disk contains a field telling how
many hard-links point to that inode. This field is a (signed) 16-bit value,
meaning the maximum number of hardlinks allowed is 32767.
Each subdirectory created contains a hardlink ('..') to its parent, thus
limiting the number of subdirectories to a single directory to less than 32767.
Note that this does not limit the number of files you can have in a single
directory, since normal files do not contain hardlinks to the parent
directory, but there are of course limits to the total number of files and
directories you can have on a single filesystem based on how many inodes
were created when the filesystem was first created.
--
Insert your favourite quote here.
Erik Trulsson
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Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 10:35:21AM +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote:
On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 06:40:46PM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:40:51AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a
single
directory.
This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number
of
sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is?
As far as I know, there is no such limit on the number of files/dirs
inside of a directory.
Actually there is. Each i-node on the disk contains a field telling how
many hard-links point to that inode. This field is a (signed) 16-bit value,
meaning the maximum number of hardlinks allowed is 32767.
Each subdirectory created contains a hardlink ('..') to its parent, thus
limiting the number of subdirectories to a single directory to less than
32767.
I hadn't even thought of that (the inode possibility did cross my mind,
but I figured inode counts would a) apply to the filesystem as a whole,
and b) apply to both files and directories.
Wow, thanks for the tip! Learning something new every day... :-)
Note that this does not limit the number of files you can have in a single
directory, since normal files do not contain hardlinks to the parent
directory, but there are of course limits to the total number of files and
directories you can have on a single filesystem based on how many inodes
were created when the filesystem was first created.
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Re: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 12:44 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a port like Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD? I would like to move to FreeBSD as soon as possible. You could try the gimp for manipulating bitmap images. For creating vector images, try either inkscape or xaralx. They're all in ports. i have a friend that do offset printing. he have to use windoze and photoshop for only one reason - gimp doesn't support editing CMYK images If all else fails, one could try running the Windows versions of Photoshop and Illustrator under wine. That has been known to work, but not without some serious hacking. One major problem is the software needs administrative access, so you need to copy the registry from a working windows to the wine system. If you're up to it its ok, but you do have to wonder whether you really want cross contamination :), or even whether you want to support a company that stubbornly refuses to consider OSS as a system it will build it software for. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD network ISP provider
Pieter Donche wrote: I installed FreeBSD 7.0 already on a system at my office (from CDs) and set up internet connection while installing using the office LAN (and its DHCP service). I installed FreeBSD also on my laptop at home (with no network connection). (with X windows; startx gives me twm ..) I want to install KDE3 from /usr/ports/x11/kde3 Tried as described: # cd /usr:ports/x11:kde3; make install clean I had hoped everything necessary would be found in the disk. But not: It returns errors because it tried to fetch packages from ftp sites ... an soon stops.. So I still need Internet connection? At home, I have an Internet connection via a Broadband Modem and an account at an Internet Service Provider. This was set up in WindowsXP succesfully (with IP 10.0.0.something, netmask 255.255.255.0, no gateway, 2 DNS server IP addresses provided by the ISP). When making the connection to my ISP I have to enter my username at the ISP provider ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and my password) But how do I set up that in FreeBSD ?? In the Post-installation section during Setup, at the question 'Would you like to configure any Ethernet or SLIP/PPP network devides?) answering Yes shows the correct on-board netwerk interface (Broadcom BCM570xx PCI Gigabit ethernet card) I tried DHCP, but no success (which was to expect) Then I get the screen to fill in Host, Domain, Gateway, Name server IPv4 address, netmask ... What do I have to enter (Name server, netmask I can guess) for IP?, host?, domain? and where will come in my username/password for my ISP connection Thanks for hints. Is there any document describing such a connection? pieter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is step by step instructions in the installer guide at www.a1poweruser.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[port : www/sams] What's wrong with my patch?
Hello, More than 2 weeks ago I tried to take maintainership of www/sams because it hasn't been updated for a long time. Current state : feedback. (but I've sent the file) Could somebody please explain me what wrong with the patch is? Why didn't the state changed? See the pr here : http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=128124 -- Kind Regards, Yuriy Grishin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 10:47:11AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:35:21 +0100, Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that this does not limit the number of files you can have in a single directory, since normal files do not contain hardlinks to the parent directory, but there are of course limits to the total number of files and directories you can have on a single filesystem based on how many inodes were created when the filesystem was first created. Maybe this sounds stupid, but... given that a file system can hold n entries. What happens when a program tries to create file number n + 1? The call to the open(2) system call will fail for one of the reasons given in the manual page. I do ask this in order to explore if this could have been the reason for my massive data loss and UFS file system corruption. My first point of inquiry in such a case would be if the hardware is OK. If you're using (P|S)ATA|SCSI-3 devices, install smartmontools from ports and test the disk with smartctl(8). Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgp0o7tO9DuGA.pgp Description: PGP signature
why do I have 2 aliases.db files?
I just noticed that I have one in /etc/mail and one in /etc, and postfix is reading the one in /etc which the newaliases command hasn't touched in ages 'cause it's been updating the one in /etc/mail. /etc/mail looks like a sendmail thing. Should I just symlink /etc/aliases.db to /etc/mail/aliases.db if I'm running postfix? Thanks, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why do I have 2 aliases.db files?
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 07:19:05AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: I just noticed that I have one in /etc/mail and one in /etc, and postfix is reading the one in /etc which the newaliases command hasn't touched in ages 'cause it's been updating the one in /etc/mail. It sounds like your machine has survived many upgrades of sendmail. At one point, /etc/aliases (and /etc/aliases.db) were the common path for sendmail. That has since changed to /etc/mail/aliases and /etc/mail/aliases.db. Note that /etc/aliases today is a symlink to /etc/mail/aliases. AFAIK, this is for ease of transition. /etc/mail looks like a sendmail thing. Should I just symlink /etc/aliases.db to /etc/mail/aliases.db if I'm running postfix? Absolutely not. Postfix should not be using /etc/mail **at all**. If you have your postfix configuration using that directory, you probably shouldn't have. The only piece of /etc/mail which is even remotely related to postfix is /etc/mail/mailer.conf, which tells mailwrapper(1) what actual binaries to run when using things like newaliases in /usr/bin, etc. The aliases and aliases.db files in a default postfix installation are in /usr/local/etc/postfix. As I said, if you've changed these around in your own postfix configuration, that's your own fault/doing. :-) Depending upon what you've done with your own postfix configuration, you should delete /etc/aliases.db, and ensure /etc/aliases is a symlink to mail/aliases (e.g. /etc/mail/aliases). If there's any question about this, re-read what I've written a couple times; I know that seeing the word aliases 50 times in a row can throw people into confusion (I speak from experience). -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debugging cronjobs not running
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 06:57:10AM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: So, I'm running cron in debug mode, and I do see things like this about my crontab. I'm not sure why you sent this to me directly, but I do appreciate you CC'ing the mailing lists. :-) load_entry()...returning successfully load_env, read */5 * * * * cacti /usr/local/bin/php /usr/local/share/cacti/poller.php 1/dev/null 21 load_env, parse error, state = 7 but that parse_error line is the same for many links that do seem to be run properly. I have no familiarity with the internals of cron, so I have no idea what parse error implies, nor state = 7. The symptoms I'm seeing is some cronjobs, specifically weekly ones, not running as expected. Plus, I used to get email from the nightly runs of periodic, and now I don't see anything. I know some jobs aren't running because they produce files as output and I'm not seeing them. That, or they're simply running unsuccessfully. One thing I noticed is that man 5 crontab seems to make no mention of the user field used in /etc/crontab, but that's likely just a documentation error. That's because /etc/crontab is not crontab(5). See cron(8) for mentions of the system-level crontab. Please file a PR on the documentation confusion so it can get fixed/addressed. Has anyone ever configured cronjobs that just didn't run, or you didn't get mail for them like you should have? No, this has never happened to me, or on any of the systems I've administrated. It might be worthwhile using crontab -e -u user and see if those crontabs reliably work for you. If so, then the problem is likely with the system-level crontab and not with user-level crontabs. Before doing this, be sure to note what security/pam checks get applied to user-level crontabs vs. system-level crontabs. This is documented in cron(8). You might have to change shells of some accounts on your system to get user-level crontabs to work for those accounts. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:35:21 +0100, Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that this does not limit the number of files you can have in a single directory, since normal files do not contain hardlinks to the parent directory, but there are of course limits to the total number of files and directories you can have on a single filesystem based on how many inodes were created when the filesystem was first created. Maybe this sounds stupid, but... given that a file system can hold n entries. What happens when a program tries to create file number n + 1? I do ask this in order to explore if this could have been the reason for my massive data loss and UFS file system corruption. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gconf error in Pidgin Abiword application on xfce Desktop
I installed the package of the Generic instant messenger application (Pidgin)on xfce desktop. It seems to work fine, but in the log it gives this message text. GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: IOR file '/var/tmp/gconfd-aiza/lock/ior' not opened successfully, no gconfd located: No such file or directory 2: IOR file '/var/tmp/gconfd-aiza/lock/ior' not opened successfully, no gconfd located: No such file or directory) Inspection shows that the directory '/var/tmp/gconfd-aiza/lock/' is present, but its empty. Aiza in this case is the user name. There is also in empty directory '/var/tmp/orbit-aiza'. The package install of the word processing application Abiword also generates this same error message, but it is displayed as a startup error popup window when Abiword is launched from the xfce menu. I tried creating am empty 'ior' file but that had no effect. Question is: How can I correct this error? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 12:16 +0100, Jos Chrispijn wrote: Uit een eerder bericht (9-11-2008 4:43): That has been known to work, but not without some serious hacking. One major problem is the software needs administrative access, so you need to copy the registry from a working windows to the wine system. Could it be possible to use Adobe's Mac versions on FreeBSD with less hacking? That's an unknown. There is no Mac emulator to speak of, and although FreeBSD and the Mac OS share a common root they're not the same. You'd need to really research where the differences lie and establish something like a mac_compat to accomplish that goal. But then do you really want to be supporting a corporation that refuses to work with OSS? They've only supplied readers to linux, and have outlawed the use of these on FreeBSD. Not really worth propping up when with less effort you could learn to use and extend the free stuff thats out there like Gimp and Scribus which would be beneficial to all. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:18 AM, Ian wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:10:46 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:40:51AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a single directory. This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number of sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is? As far as I know, there is no such limit on the number of files/dirs inside of a directory. Thanks for that Jeremy. I didn't invent this structure, but I daresay I can either modify it or get the original writer to do that. I never really gave it a thought before now - it was the system I was given to work with and it's worked fine so far, except when I try to list the contents of the directory - that takes ages! All the folders are 7 digit numbers and we are up to approx. 0010500 entries (ie subdirs) so far. I guess it will just be a matter of experimenting to find the optimum number of sub-sub-directories per sub-directory :-/ On the issue of possible inode limitations, it may be of some reassurance (or alarm ;-)) to look at the output of df -i. This will tell you if you are close to any limit on inodes. Between that and your already well known counts of directories and rate of creation, you can gauge how much time you have to change your app. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD network ISP provider
I installed FreeBSD 7.0 already on a system at my office (from CDs) and set up internet connection while installing using the office LAN (and its DHCP service). I installed FreeBSD also on my laptop at home (with no network connection). (with X windows; startx gives me twm ..) I want to install KDE3 from /usr/ports/x11/kde3 Tried as described: # cd /usr:ports/x11:kde3; make install clean I had hoped everything necessary would be found in the disk. But not: It returns errors because it tried to fetch packages from ftp sites ... an soon stops.. So I still need Internet connection? At home, I have an Internet connection via a Broadband Modem and an account at an Internet Service Provider. This was set up in WindowsXP succesfully (with IP 10.0.0.something, netmask 255.255.255.0, no gateway, 2 DNS server IP addresses provided by the ISP). When making the connection to my ISP I have to enter my username at the ISP provider ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and my password) But how do I set up that in FreeBSD ?? In the Post-installation section during Setup, at the question 'Would you like to configure any Ethernet or SLIP/PPP network devides?) answering Yes shows the correct on-board netwerk interface (Broadcom BCM570xx PCI Gigabit ethernet card) I tried DHCP, but no success (which was to expect) Then I get the screen to fill in Host, Domain, Gateway, Name server IPv4 address, netmask ... What do I have to enter (Name server, netmask I can guess) for IP?, host?, domain? and where will come in my username/password for my ISP connection Thanks for hints. Is there any document describing such a connection? pieter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debugging cronjobs not running
So, I'm running cron in debug mode, and I do see things like this about my crontab. load_entry()...returning successfully load_env, read */5 * * * * cacti /usr/local/bin/php /usr/local/share/cacti/poller.php 1/dev/null 21 load_env, parse error, state = 7 but that parse_error line is the same for many links that do seem to be run properly. The symptoms I'm seeing is some cronjobs, specifically weekly ones, not running as expected. Plus, I used to get email from the nightly runs of periodic, and now I don't see anything. I know some jobs aren't running because they produce files as output and I'm not seeing them. That, or they're simply running unsuccessfully. One thing I noticed is that man 5 crontab seems to make no mention of the user field used in /etc/crontab, but that's likely just a documentation error. Has anyone ever configured cronjobs that just didn't run, or you didn't get mail for them like you should have? Thanks, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 10:47:11AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:35:21 +0100, Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that this does not limit the number of files you can have in a single directory, since normal files do not contain hardlinks to the parent directory, but there are of course limits to the total number of files and directories you can have on a single filesystem based on how many inodes were created when the filesystem was first created. Maybe this sounds stupid, but... given that a file system can hold n entries. What happens when a program tries to create file number n + 1? I do ask this in order to explore if this could have been the reason for my massive data loss and UFS file system corruption. I haven't tested what actually happens, but what should happen is that the attempt to create file n+1 will simply fail with some appropriate error code (see open(2) or mkdir(2) for details.) It is certainly not supposed to cause any kind of files system corruption. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why do I have 2 aliases.db files?
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 04:30:24AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: The only piece of /etc/mail which is even remotely related to postfix is /etc/mail/mailer.conf, which tells mailwrapper(1) what actual binaries ^^ That should have been mailwrapper(8). -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question on creating a video server
On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 22:09 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Has anyone done this with FreeBSD and open source software, and has recommendations on what hardware to get and what software works with it? mplayer play video files fine. no idea about HDTV tunes Mplayer works great, so does Xine. Thats what I use- I use mplayer for recording using the dumpstream option and do post processing later with mencoder. The problem lies with getting the tuners themselves to work due to lack of drivers... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
Uit een eerder bericht (9-11-2008 4:43): That has been known to work, but not without some serious hacking. One major problem is the software needs administrative access, so you need to copy the registry from a working windows to the wine system. Could it be possible to use Adobe's Mac versions on FreeBSD with less hacking? jc ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: I don't want to change the topic of discussion, but I *highly* recommend you ***stop*** whatever it is you're doing that is creating such a directory structure. Software which has to iterate through that directory using opendir() and readdir() will get slower and slower as time goes on. With the implementation of UFS_DIRHASH the practical limit on the size of directories is now a great deal larger. In particular the slow down caused by linear search through the contents has been eliminated. See ffs(7). 10,000 files or sub-directories, whist not a particularly elegant setup, is actually not unworkable nowadays. As for the maximum number of subdirectories it is possible to create on UFS2 -- it is limited by the inode structure to a 16 bit quantity. % jot 10 1 | xargs mkdir -v [...] 32725 32726 32727 32728 32729 32730 3273mkdir: 32766: Too many links mkdir: 32767: Too many links mkdir: 32768: Too many links mkdir: 32769: Too many links mkdir: 32770: Too many links mkdir: 32771: Too many links [...] Which is 32768 - 2 for the '.' and '..' links. Trying to create too many subdirectories just results in mkdir failing: the filesystem itself is not damaged. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: UFS2 limits
Hi, I have a FreeBSD server that has about 10,500 subdirectories within a single directory. This number will keep rising and I assume UFS2 has a limit to the number of sub-directories in a single directory - can anyone tell me what it is? make sure your kernel is compiled with options UFS_DIRHASH or it will be slow the limit is 32765, just because link count is 2 bytes wide and each subdir adds two to base directory. you have to change to 2 level hierarchy. with files - i started creating empty files, it turned slow after about 32. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
With the implementation of UFS_DIRHASH the practical limit on the size of directories is now a great deal larger. In particular the slow down caused by linear search through the contents has been but - try making (by shell script for example) empty files. it creates it fast and rapidly slows at about 32 on my machine. i have UFS_DIRHASH ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debugging cronjobs not running
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure why you sent this to me directly, but I do appreciate you CC'ing the mailing lists. :-) Old thread, my bad. No, this has never happened to me, or on any of the systems I've administrated. Found it. The problem was several things. 1. The 6.3 upgrade merged in a HOME of /var/log in crontab, which broke some $HOME references in some of my jobs. 2. My /etc/aliases.db hadn't been used in some time, /etc/mail/aliases.db was. All fixed. The parse error in the debug was apparently not service affecting. I suspect it's looking for environment variables set before the command to run, judging by some of the code snippets I looked at. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
Wojciech Puchar writes: the limit is 32765, just because link count is 2 bytes wide and each subdir adds two to base directory. you have to change to 2 level hierarchy. Question (for anyone who has an informed opinion): If there any technical reason that couldn't be expanded to 32 bits? Or is it possible but not done for historical or policy reasons, and if so what are they? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 11:02:07AM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: Wojciech Puchar writes: the limit is 32765, just because link count is 2 bytes wide and each subdir adds two to base directory. you have to change to 2 level hierarchy. Question (for anyone who has an informed opinion): If there any technical reason that couldn't be expanded to 32 bits? Or is it possible but not done for historical or policy reasons, and if so what are they? At this point, I think this topic should be relocated to the freebsd-fs mailing list. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [port : www/sams] What's wrong with my patch?
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Yuriy Grishin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello, More than 2 weeks ago I tried to take maintainership of www/sams because it hasn't been updated for a long time. Current state : feedback. (but I've sent the file) Could somebody please explain me what wrong with the patch is? Why didn't the state changed? See the pr here : http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=128124 -- Kind Regards, Yuriy Grishin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] well if you look at the pr they tell you exactly what's wrong with it I would point you to http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/ and here is what they said about your patch Hello, Yury! Some useful information about problem report you may read in man 1 send-pr. Don't use cyrillic names in From: field, don't send bziped or gziped patches if they are not too large - plain text is good enough for reading (and uu-encoded bzip - not). Also read http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/ article and GNU Info file send-pr.info . -- Cheers Denis Barov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
Jeremy Chadwick([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.08 18:40:46 -0800: I don't want to change the topic of discussion, but I *highly* recommend you ***stop*** whatever it is you're doing that is creating such a directory structure. Software which has to iterate through that directory using opendir() and readdir() will get slower and slower as time goes on. On a related note there are filesystems that handle many files/directories very quickly. They use alternate tree data structures that behave quicker. ReiserFS is one of them. I believe XFS does quite well too. FreeBSD should have adapted XFS in addition to ZFS. ZFS is a resource monster. Shame, really. XFS is freely available in Linux for a number of years. Hammer, the new FS for FreeBSDs is available for DragonflyBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 11:02:07AM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: Wojciech Puchar writes: the limit is 32765, just because link count is 2 bytes wide and each subdir adds two to base directory. you have to change to 2 level hierarchy. Question (for anyone who has an informed opinion): If there any technical reason that couldn't be expanded to 32 bits? Or is it possible but not done for historical or policy reasons, and if so what are they? It probably could be expanded to 32 bits if that was deemed useful. Doing that would of course require re-creating any existing filesystems since the on-disk format would change, which would be a PITA for users, but certainly possible. It is rare that anybody actually encounter this limit however. I would even say that if you have more than a couple of thousand entries in a single directory, then you are probably doing something wrong. Personally I cannot think of any situation where one would actually want (let alone need) as many as 3 or more subdirectories in a single directory. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 12:48:51PM -0500, Dan wrote: Erik Trulsson([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.09 17:53:14 +0100: Personally I cannot think of any situation where one would actually want (let alone need) as many as 3 or more subdirectories in a single directory. I've seen some Java apps that use the FS as the DB. Nothing wrong with that. I think an FS can be quite a good DB, if implemented well. This gives many data manipulation options with traditional FS tools, shell scripts, etc. Lets just say that there are reasons why the major database systems generally use their own methods to store and organize the data rather than rely on the file system for that. Besides, for most database applications I can think of, what you would need are lots of *files*, which do not have any special limitations other than the the total space and number of i-nodes on the filesystem. Even if you were using the FS as a DB I can't think of any good reason to need 3+ subdirectories in a single directory. Large Maildirs for postfix and qmail/Courier. Some people don't delete email at all. Again, that requires lots of files, not lots of subdirectories. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
If you really think HAMMER accomplishes the same goals as ZFS, you are sadly mistaken. it will be OK to achieve the goals it is advertised to achieve. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sluggish scheduling during a long disk copy
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Odhiambo Washington([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.09 23:25:19 +0300: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello. I am copying one 150G disk to a 3ware mirror, and the machine becomes downright unusable. It takes seconds to switch between 'konsole' windows and it takes seconds between I type a command (ssh session to a remote box, which I know is fast and unloaded) and see it executed. This is 7.1-BETA2. Is this a bug or a generally-accepted performance behavior? Bug? :-) How are you copying? I am copying an 'ntfs-3g'-mounted disk to the 3ware mirror with cp -a. It's around 150G of data, and it's going at about 10MB/s to the mirror. The mirror uses geom journaling. The speed is fine, the disks are slow. But should the copy really freeze-up the system like that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] could be an issue with ntfs-3g driver ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sluggish scheduling during a long disk copy
matt donovan wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Odhiambo Washington([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.09 23:25:19 +0300: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello. I am copying one 150G disk to a 3ware mirror, and the machine becomes downright unusable. It takes seconds to switch between 'konsole' windows and it takes seconds between I type a command (ssh session to a remote box, which I know is fast and unloaded) and see it executed. This is 7.1-BETA2. Is this a bug or a generally-accepted performance behavior? Bug? :-) How are you copying? I am copying an 'ntfs-3g'-mounted disk to the 3ware mirror with cp -a. It's around 150G of data, and it's going at about 10MB/s to the mirror. The mirror uses geom journaling. The speed is fine, the disks are slow. But should the copy really freeze-up the system like that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] could be an issue with ntfs-3g driver Sounds like it to me. ntfs-3g uses FUSE, which is a userland filesystem framework. By design it will have poor I/O performance since every I/O transfer will require multiple trips into and out of the kernel. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sluggish scheduling during a long disk copy
Hello. I am copying one 150G disk to a 3ware mirror, and the machine becomes downright unusable. It takes seconds to switch between 'konsole' windows and it takes seconds between I type a command (ssh session to a remote box, which I know is fast and unloaded) and see it executed. This is 7.1-BETA2. Is this a bug or a generally-accepted performance behavior? Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
Erik Trulsson([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.09 17:53:14 +0100: Personally I cannot think of any situation where one would actually want (let alone need) as many as 3 or more subdirectories in a single directory. I've seen some Java apps that use the FS as the DB. Nothing wrong with that. I think an FS can be quite a good DB, if implemented well. This gives many data manipulation options with traditional FS tools, shell scripts, etc. Large Maildirs for postfix and qmail/Courier. Some people don't delete email at all. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sluggish scheduling during a long disk copy
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:12:34 -0800 Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan wrote: Kris Kennaway([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.09 12:57:16 -0800: could be an issue with ntfs-3g driver Sounds like it to me. ntfs-3g uses FUSE, which is a userland filesystem framework. By design it will have poor I/O performance since every I/O transfer will require multiple trips into and out of the kernel. The FS performance isn't the issue, the poor interactive performance is. If you're thrashing your system with too many context switches or I/O load it is expected that performance will suffer. You should do some additional investigation with the standard monitoring tools (top, vmstat, gstat, etc) to determine what your system is doing. It may be that FUSE is aggressively caching data and pushing your applications out of memory. This commonly happens on Linux and may be happening here too. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 12:33:06PM -0600, Modulok wrote: Personally I cannot think of any situation where one would actually want (let alone need) as many as 3 or more subdirectories in a single directory. No one will ever need more than 640K of memory! Not quite the same thing. One major problem with having lots of entries in a directory is for humans using it (who have not become significantly faster or more capable over the recent decades.) Having lots of entries in a single directory is simply very unwieldy. There are is a reason why people invented hierarchichal files systems with directories and sub-directories, you know. For those situations where the directory is not intended to be looked at by a human, but only by programs, then there are more efficient ways of storing the data if you need that many entries. (A real database system, for example.) Besides, most (all?) of the situations where one might concievably want many entries in a single directory, what one would usually want is lots of files, not lots of sub-directories - once you start using sub-directories, you might as well use more than a single level of them. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:58:11PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: Erik Trulsson writes: Question (for anyone who has an informed opinion): If there any technical reason that couldn't be expanded to 32 bits? Or is it possible but not done for historical or policy reasons, and if so what are they? It probably could be expanded to 32 bits if that was deemed useful. Doing that would of course require re-creating any existing filesystems since the on-disk format would change, which would be a PITA for users, but certainly possible. I seem to remember at least one case (3.x - 4.0 ) where a major version change had no upgrade path - to get the new stuff you had to reinstall. You are probably thinking of the 4.x - 5.x upgrade where you pretty much had to reinstall if you wanted to switch from UFS1 to UFS2. (But you could of course keep using UFS1 if you wanted.) But I agree there's no reason based on current evidence to do this. Thanks. Robert Huff -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hashes in scp usernames (OpenSSH bug 472)
Christopher Key wrote: Hello, I've come upon OpenSSH bug 472, whereby scp refuses usernames containing a '#' character, dieing with 'invalid user name'. Both rsync and ssh accept such usernames, and after looking at /usr/src/crypto/openssh/scp.c, it would appear that scp also allows such usernames for the source, but not the destination. I've several questions: 1) Is there any specific reason why scp behaves like this, and specifically why does it only attempt to validate the destination user name and not the source? 2) Assuming it is safe to drop the username validation, I can quite happily modify the code as appropriate. However, I'm not sure how to rebuild and update with minimum fuss. I really only need to rebuild scp and install the new binary, can I do this easily without a full make buildworld; make installworld? 3) Assuming that there's no additional reason not to remove the username validation, how should I go about submitting a change request to get this modification made in CURRENT, and MFCed as appropriate? Kind Regards, Chris Key I don't know whether any of this is a good idea (there might be a very good reason why it is programmed this way, generally stuff in 'secure' is rather sensitive), but to answer your second question, you would simply do: # cd /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/scp # make # make install Since OpenSSH comes from OpenBSD, it may be worth trying asking someone over there too. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Port Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for FreeBSD?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:43:25 +1000 Da Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're up to it its ok, but you do have to wonder whether you really want cross contamination :), or even whether you want to support a company that stubbornly refuses to consider OSS as a system it will build it software for. I would not necessarily blame the company. There are several programs that I use on Windows, Roboform as one example. I have contacted the company and was informed that producing a version that would work on all versions of *nix was beyond the scope of what they could presently do. In addition, they felt that since most OSS users do not want to pay for software, there would be no way to recuperate their investment. I have the full blown version of Photoshop and quite frankly I have not seen anything from the OSS community that compares to it. The program works and has a very finely designed interface. Gimp is fine for basic things; however for more finely granular work it just does not measure up. Just my 2¢. -- Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where it is a duty to worship the sun it is pretty sure to be a crime to examine the laws of heat. Christopher Morley signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Sluggish scheduling during a long disk copy
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello. I am copying one 150G disk to a 3ware mirror, and the machine becomes downright unusable. It takes seconds to switch between 'konsole' windows and it takes seconds between I type a command (ssh session to a remote box, which I know is fast and unloaded) and see it executed. This is 7.1-BETA2. Is this a bug or a generally-accepted performance behavior? Bug? :-) How are you copying? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Life must be understood backwards; but... it must be lived forward. - Soren Kierkegaard Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: host -6 failure
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 3:13 AM, mdh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Subject: Re: host -6 failure
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Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 8:10 PM
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 7:55 PM, mdh
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--- On Sat, 11/8/08, David Horn
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From: David Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: host -6 failure
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 7:25 PM
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:18 PM, mdh
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Howdy folks,
I'm having a little trouble understanding
a
problem that the `host` command in RELENG_7_0
(very recent)
is having.
The '-6' on the command line for host(1)
forces an
IPv6 only
connection to your nameserver, not necessarily a
query for the
hostname in question. In this case, your
nameservers
listed in the
warnings are IPv4 nameservers that host(1) is
attempting to
connect to
using an ipv4 mapped ipv6 address (which by
default is
disabled in the
kernel) In other words, don't use host -6 for
this
scenario.
Yet as I pointed out, the second nameserver in my
resolv.conf is ::1 - so shouldn't it work with that?
It's clearly trying to contact the first and third
nameservers listed. If the behavior I'm experiencing is
the proper behavior, then let me pose this question: when
would anyone conceivably want to use the -6 option, and why
does it exist? My intent was to force a query to hit the
nameserver on ::1 rather than 127.0.0.1.
domain mydomain
search mydomain
nameserver 127.0.0.1
nameserver ::1
nameserver IP.IP.IP.8
The DNS server running on localhost is
authoritative
for mydomain. I can ping it via localhost using
both v4 and
v6, and I can also ping the external v4 and v6
addresses
just fine remotely.
As I said, I'm new to IPv6, but this
behavior
seems to be counterintuitive. Am I just doing it
wrong?
For diagnosing your own nameservers, you are
better off
using the
dig(1) utility.
Example:
dig ipv6.google.com @::1
This causes a dns query for an IPv6 address (aka
query) for the
hostname of ipv6.google.com using the
nameserver on the IPv6
localhost loopback address (::1), and will give a
very nice
verbose
output. man dig for more details.
That is more useful, but still doesn't stifle my
desire to stomp a potential bug in the base system.
Right after sending, I realized that I did not tell you all
of the answer
host(1) will successfully query ::1 when named is setup to
listen on
::1 in named.conf, and ::1 is listed in /etc/resolv.conf (I
just ran a
test on my box to be sure that it works this way with the
-6 switch)
Example line from /etc/namedb/named.conf:
listen-on-v6{ ::1; any; };
And of course you need to restart named after the config
change(
/etc/rc.d/named restart)
To make sure that it is listening on the IPv6 loopback
address:
netstat -anW -f inet6
I do not remember the minimum version of bind (aka named)
required for
IPv6 off the top of my head, but I am running 9.4.2-P2 on
my IPv6
machine.
All of the conditions for success are true, however it fails. My DNS server
software is responsing on ::1 port 53 (tcp and udp), and ::1 is the second
nameserver listed in resolv.conf. Still, host -6 fails as previously
stated... According to what you've said so far, this leads me to believe
that it ought to work as expected, and not error out in the way I'm seeing.
Am I missing something here? Is my lack of general IPv6 knowledge causing me
to blindly assume something incorrectly?
If all of the conditions for success were true, you would *not* be
having a problem. You are likely missing something simple.
I suggest that you read about about general IPv6 network
troubleshooting, and bind. The handbook has some good information
here:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-dns.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-ipv6.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/ipv6.html
You have yet to provide any new diagnostic output. What was the result of:
netstat -anW -f inet6
dig ipv6.google.com @::1
named -version
Do not get hung up on the output of host(1) without trying to diagnose
the root problem (your nameserver working properly on ipv6). Once you
fix the root problem, the other problems will go away.
If in doubt, run a tcpdump or wireshark trace, and make sure that your
firewall is not getting in the way.
-_Dave
Thanks, Matt
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Re: No pam_module.so found
--- On Mon, 11/10/08, Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No pam_module.so found To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 2:30 AM Unga [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All my pam modules reside in /usr/lib/ and the version number of pam modules match the version number of the libpam (/usr/lib/libpam.so.2). Eg. pam_self.so.2 and pam_rootok.so.2 are available in /usr/lib/. In 7.0, this should be 4, not 2. Thank you. Appreciate your reply. Unga ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
the limit is 32765, just because link count is 2 bytes wide and each subdir adds two to base directory. you have to change to 2 level hierarchy. Question (for anyone who has an informed opinion): If there any technical reason that couldn't be expanded to 32 bits? Or is it possible but not done for historical or policy reasons, and if so what are they? looking at /usr/include/ufs/ufs/dinode.h - i see int64_t di_spare[3]; and i have really no idea why time uses as much as 8+4 bytes like that: ufs_time_t di_mtime; /* 40: Last modified time. */ int32_t di_mtimensec; /* 64: Last modified time. */ i think it is not a problem to make link count 32-bit, and - why spare space are not just used for more direct/indirect blocks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:46:18 Matthew Seaman wrote: Jeremy Chadwick wrote: I don't want to change the topic of discussion, but I *highly* recommend you ***stop*** whatever it is you're doing that is creating such a directory structure. Software which has to iterate through that directory using opendir() and readdir() will get slower and slower as time goes on. With the implementation of UFS_DIRHASH the practical limit on the size of directories is now a great deal larger. In particular the slow down caused by linear search through the contents has been eliminated. See ffs(7). 10,000 files or sub-directories, whist not a particularly elegant setup, is actually not unworkable nowadays. Well that's certainly been my experience so far. Still, I now know we will run into problems when we hit the 32,768 limit, so I'll start designing something better. Cheers, -- Ian gpg key: http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~imoore/no-spam.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Sluggish scheduling during a long disk copy
Dan wrote: Kris Kennaway([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.09 12:57:16 -0800: could be an issue with ntfs-3g driver Sounds like it to me. ntfs-3g uses FUSE, which is a userland filesystem framework. By design it will have poor I/O performance since every I/O transfer will require multiple trips into and out of the kernel. The FS performance isn't the issue, the poor interactive performance is. If you're thrashing your system with too many context switches or I/O load it is expected that performance will suffer. You should do some additional investigation with the standard monitoring tools (top, vmstat, gstat, etc) to determine what your system is doing. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 11:09:17AM -0500, Dan wrote: Jeremy Chadwick([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.08 18:40:46 -0800: I don't want to change the topic of discussion, but I *highly* recommend you ***stop*** whatever it is you're doing that is creating such a directory structure. Software which has to iterate through that directory using opendir() and readdir() will get slower and slower as time goes on. On a related note there are filesystems that handle many files/directories very quickly. They use alternate tree data structures that behave quicker. ReiserFS is one of them. I believe XFS does quite well too. FreeBSD should have adapted XFS in addition to ZFS. ZFS is a resource monster. Shame, really. XFS is freely available in Linux for a number of years. Hammer, the new FS for FreeBSDs is available for DragonflyBSD. If you really think HAMMER accomplishes the same goals as ZFS, you are sadly mistaken. I have no idea about XFS. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scripting text replacement
On Sunday 09 November 2008 00:02:11 Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 19:43:52 +0100, bsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a file containing a list of items like that:
line1item1 line1item2 line1item3
line2item1 line2item2 line2item3
…400 times
I need to insert this into another text file using printf() items should
be converted into variable looping… like that:
printf Bla bla bla $1 bla bla $2 bla bla $3 bla bla $2
A little more detail about the Bla bla part may be important in our
effort to help you effectively. What you seem to describe above may be
trivial to do with awk(1):
More detail definitely needed. When you say insert into another text file, do
you mean you want to create an output file in which each line is identical
bar the four parameters from the first file (in other words your bla bla bla
is the same for every input line) (in which case a simple awk '{printf}' will
meet the need), or are you actually doing a merge of two files where bla bla
bla represents the text from the next line of the other input file and
changes from line to line?
Jonathan
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Re: Sluggish scheduling during a long disk copy
Kris Kennaway([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.09 12:57:16 -0800: could be an issue with ntfs-3g driver Sounds like it to me. ntfs-3g uses FUSE, which is a userland filesystem framework. By design it will have poor I/O performance since every I/O transfer will require multiple trips into and out of the kernel. The FS performance isn't the issue, the poor interactive performance is. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
Personally I cannot think of any situation where one would actually want (let alone need) as many as 3 or more subdirectories in a single directory. No one will ever need more than 640K of memory! Be careful. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
number of years. Hammer, the new FS for FreeBSDs is available for DragonflyBSD. i would like to see final (now still beta) version of hammer in action. it's ADVERTISED features are great. but ZFS features was (and are) ADVERTISED great too while we see the result. Hammer would be great if it will be as advertised :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
Erik Trulsson([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.09 20:54:14 +0100: Besides, for most database applications I can think of, what you would need are lots of *files*, which do not have any special limitations other than the the total space and number of i-nodes on the filesystem. Even if you were using the FS as a DB I can't think of any good reason to need 3+ subdirectories in a single directory. Large Maildirs for postfix and qmail/Courier. Some people don't delete email at all. Again, that requires lots of files, not lots of subdirectories. I agree, I misread the OP. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sluggish scheduling during a long disk copy
Odhiambo Washington([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.09 23:25:19 +0300: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello. I am copying one 150G disk to a 3ware mirror, and the machine becomes downright unusable. It takes seconds to switch between 'konsole' windows and it takes seconds between I type a command (ssh session to a remote box, which I know is fast and unloaded) and see it executed. This is 7.1-BETA2. Is this a bug or a generally-accepted performance behavior? Bug? :-) How are you copying? I am copying an 'ntfs-3g'-mounted disk to the 3ware mirror with cp -a. It's around 150G of data, and it's going at about 10MB/s to the mirror. The mirror uses geom journaling. The speed is fine, the disks are slow. But should the copy really freeze-up the system like that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No pam_module.so found
Unga [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All my pam modules reside in /usr/lib/ and the version number of pam modules match the version number of the libpam (/usr/lib/libpam.so.2). Eg. pam_self.so.2 and pam_rootok.so.2 are available in /usr/lib/. In 7.0, this should be 4, not 2. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sluggish scheduling during a long disk copy
Odhiambo Washington([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.09 23:25:19 +0300: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello. I am copying one 150G disk to a 3ware mirror, and the machine becomes downright unusable. It takes seconds to switch between 'konsole' windows and it takes seconds between I type a command (ssh session to a remote box, which I know is fast and unloaded) and see it executed. This is 7.1-BETA2. Is this a bug or a generally-accepted performance behavior? Bug? :-) How are you copying? I am copying a 'ntfs-3g'-mounted disk to the 3ware mirror with cp -a. It's around 150G of data, and it's going at about 10MB/s to the mirror. The mirror uses geom journaling. The speed is fine, the disks are slow. But should the copy really freeze-up the system like that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:58:11PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: Erik Trulsson writes: Question (for anyone who has an informed opinion): If there any technical reason that couldn't be expanded to 32 bits? Or is it possible but not done for historical or policy reasons, and if so what are they? It probably could be expanded to 32 bits if that was deemed useful. Doing that would of course require re-creating any existing filesystems since the on-disk format would change, which would be a PITA for users, but certainly possible. I seem to remember at least one case (3.x - 4.0 ) where a major version change had no upgrade path - to get the new stuff you had to reinstall. You are probably thinking of the 4.x - 5.x upgrade where you pretty much had to reinstall if you wanted to switch from UFS1 to UFS2. (But you could of course keep using UFS1 if you wanted.) But I agree there's no reason based on current evidence to do this. Thanks. Robert Huff -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kind of hard to get XFS in freeBSD with it being a dead filesystem that is no longer being developed, probably to port it it would need a lot of code changes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hashes in scp usernames (OpenSSH bug 472)
Hello, I've come upon OpenSSH bug 472, whereby scp refuses usernames containing a '#' character, dieing with 'invalid user name'. Both rsync and ssh accept such usernames, and after looking at /usr/src/crypto/openssh/scp.c, it would appear that scp also allows such usernames for the source, but not the destination. I've several questions: 1) Is there any specific reason why scp behaves like this, and specifically why does it only attempt to validate the destination user name and not the source? 2) Assuming it is safe to drop the username validation, I can quite happily modify the code as appropriate. However, I'm not sure how to rebuild and update with minimum fuss. I really only need to rebuild scp and install the new binary, can I do this easily without a full make buildworld; make installworld? 3) Assuming that there's no additional reason not to remove the username validation, how should I go about submitting a change request to get this modification made in CURRENT, and MFCed as appropriate? Kind Regards, Chris Key ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why do I have 2 aliases.db files?
Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just noticed that I have one in /etc/mail and one in /etc, and postfix is reading the one in /etc which the newaliases command hasn't touched in ages 'cause it's been updating the one in /etc/mail. That is not the default behavior. From sendmail(1), which is the Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface: newaliases Initialize the alias database. If no input file is specified (with the -oA option, see below), the program processes the file(s) specified with the alias_database configuration parame- ter. If no alias database type is specified, the program uses the type specified with the default_database_type configuration parameter. This mode of operation is implemented by running the postalias(1) command. % postconf -d | grep '^alias_' alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases So, the newaliases command should be modifying the alias database in /etc unless you changed this in your main.cf. But if that were the case, Postfix would also *read* for aliases in that non-default location. What is the output of the following command on your machine? % man sendmail | grep Postfix | head -1 -- Sahil Tandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UFS2 limits
Erik Trulsson writes: Question (for anyone who has an informed opinion): If there any technical reason that couldn't be expanded to 32 bits? Or is it possible but not done for historical or policy reasons, and if so what are they? It probably could be expanded to 32 bits if that was deemed useful. Doing that would of course require re-creating any existing filesystems since the on-disk format would change, which would be a PITA for users, but certainly possible. I seem to remember at least one case (3.x - 4.0 ) where a major version change had no upgrade path - to get the new stuff you had to reinstall. But I agree there's no reason based on current evidence to do this. Thanks. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sluggish scheduling during a long disk copy
Bruce Cran([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.11.09 14:40:04 -0800: It may be that FUSE is aggressively caching data and pushing your applications out of memory. This commonly happens on Linux and may be happening here too. Fuse is good. Tried without fuse, using the native ntfs mount. Still the same issue :(. It takes forever to do anything on this pc while the constant disk io is taking place. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ports missing their packages.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew clarke mail_ozzmosis.com said (on 2008/10/29): You need to understand that the FreeBSD project by its nature is primarily source-code driven. Making packages available (of any port) is of very low priority in comparison to the rest of the system (testing, documentation, etc). Demanding that the FreeBSD volunteers build a package just because you want to use it is a bit unfair, particularly when you can make one yourself without much trouble. I'm not sure I got all the emails in this thread... maybe some just haven't arrived yet. Anyway... I, for one, depend on packages. It literally takes days to build something like Firefox on my (admittedly old) computer. I'm surprised that package creation is such a low priority. Are there so few people running FreeBSD on old hardware? Just so you're clear, the original poster was completely wrong on how packages are built by the FreeBSD project. Others have already explained the process in this thread, but to repeat: the packages are built automatically and continuously by a dedicated set of machines, and they are uploaded to the FTP site frequently. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
