Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer after looking .. freebsd - the power to serve Might one reasonably surmise that the power to serve implies doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers, FTP servers, web servers, file servers, database servers, ssh servers, even - gasp - X11 servers? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
freebsd - the power to serve Might one reasonably surmise that the power to serve implies doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers, FTP servers, web servers, file servers, database servers, ssh servers, even - gasp - X11 servers? so what's wrong. it runs well any program. of course it won't run well bad program - it's natural. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is trying to write to a write-protected memory card?
Thunar (xfce 4.4) along with hal has no problem automounting an SD card... unless that card is write-protected. There's a delay while the system tries and thinks it fails to mount the card--twice. Eject the card and the system reboots as if it was mounted. Try a clean shutdown and the system eventually gives up with one buffer remaining. Is it Thunar trying to write something to the card, or hal, or something else? most probably your automounter mounts everything r/w and don't know that card is write protected. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update
Hello! Can't upgrade from 6.3 to 6.4 with freebsd-update. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE install No updates are available to install. Run 'freebsd-update.sh fetch' first. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 6.3-RELEASE-p6. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. --- I probe with manual: Upraded stoped with error. If I download manually 1 have a No updates needed to update system to 6.3-RELEASE-p6. Thanks Renat. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
Lowell Gilbert wrote: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an industry standard; all major UNIX like systems (Solaris, HP-UX, AIX(R), Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc) support NIS. I work i am in a mostly Linux shop managed by NIS. However my machines are under FreeBSD and i have no problem getting the NIS info. The only gotcha is that, under Linux you have 2 files for passwds /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, while under FreeBSD you have just one /etc/master.passwd. So you need to run NIS in compatibility mode on the Linux server, so that passwd and shadow are concatenated. Securitywise it is the same since in any case the shadow information flows on the wire, ready to be captured by a scannner. The main problem with NIS, in my opinion, is that, when the NIS server(s) are down (it always occur once or twice a year here), all the clients are completely frozen immediately, so if you want high availability, better copy the passwd files on each client directly and not use a network server like that. Our previous sysadm had written a couple of replication scripts which worked very well this way. The present one reverted to NIS with this small inconvenient. Replication requires that you only modify passwd files on the server, like with NIS, and then, as soon as a modification is detected, files are propagated on all clients. This is extremely easy to achieve, and *much* more efficient, networkwise than using a thing like NIS or LDAP, where each client is constantly polling the server to get information about home directories, tilde expansions,etc. -- Michel TALON ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:00:45AM +, Glyn Millington wrote: Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu writes: But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL or whatever. Or even why isn't FreeBSD more like FreeBSD used to be back in the day? As a newcomer to FreeBSD (who will never be a programmer or serious sysadmin) I'm grateful for the firm but fair approach taken here by most people, for the toleration of my occasional inanities, and for helpful answers. I'm also grateful to Chad for helping me look at again at Compiz-fusion - I prefer fvwm myself, but CF IS gorgeous, no doubt about it, and my eleven year old thinks its cool :-) Thanks for expressing your appreciation. I don't have any interest in using Compiz Fusion in my day to day life, either, but it sure is an eye opener and fun to look at every once in a while. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth James Madison: If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. pgp8Rsd8YE1Is.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
The spirit of replying to all questions, even if they are similar to ``How do I process images with a Photoshop-like program on FreeBSD?'', or even ``Windows lets me use FOO and do BAR. Is there something like this in FreeBSD?'', seems to be one of the *good* aspects of this list. it is bad aspect, just it got more severe last times. Why should we destroy that good aspect by introducing moderation? i want to destroy bad things and keep discussion on topic. now it's MAYBE 1 post on-topic and 20 off-topic. at least. i don't mean blocking it completely, but on THAT list which is questions about FreeBSD. Not questions about millions of programs available for unix. if questions about various unix programs running under FreeBSD list will be created, i will be a place for that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to block NIS logins via ssh?
enough time and resources, any password can be cracked. I really do not when enough time is somehow like lifetime of a star ;) (unless you choose bad passwords). understand why so many users insist on using passwords anyway. 2 reasons: - It's the default - Less hassle getting access from a new account. It's the first thing I disable as well. I have machines I don't even know my local password for. Key on a flash card so I can get access from any new machine with an USB port. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:22:15AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: There is _nothing_ that is inherently server oriented about the main FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't split to anything of the sort. exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented! everything else depends on what you install. that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list - to cut off 95% of traffic that is not about FreeBSD. Moderation, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a scalpel. One should always be wary of its use where even the slightest error might result in significant loss of value. Interestingly, my random signature generator seems to have something to say about this topic as well. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Jon Postel, RFC 761: [B]e conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others. pgpWR0TVKtkqX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ad
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 04:15:02PM -0500, michael wrote: after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer after looking .. freebsd - the power to serve the motto isn't the power to serve and run Far Cry That's about the weakest damned argument I've seen in a long time. Also . . . it appears that, after reading all these posts, you've forgotten how to crop quotes. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Power corrupts. The command line corrupts absolutely. pgp6bDvxFTlAz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ad
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:35:33PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. That's not what I'd call a productive response, nor is it well supported. what kind of productivity to you request from such topic. it doesn't have to be productive. it's just fact. Saying it doesn't make it so. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] O'Rourke's Circumcision Precept: You can take 10 percent off the top of anything. pgpSWZXz0mfFZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update
Renat wrote: Hello! Can't upgrade from 6.3 to 6.4 with freebsd-update. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE install No updates are available to install. Run 'freebsd-update.sh fetch' first. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 6.3-RELEASE-p6. webarchive# sh freebsd-update.sh -f freebsd-update.conf -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. --- I probe with manual: Upraded stoped with error. If I download manually 1 have a No updates needed to update system to 6.3-RELEASE-p6. Thanks Renat. If you are starting from FreeBSD 6.3, why are you using the add-on freebsd-update.sh ? The base system freebsd-update in 6.3 can handle upgrades to newer releases. Please follow the instructions here, using the freebsd-update utility that comes with the system (section 26.2.3): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-freebsdupdate.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:26:36PM -0800, Brian Whalen wrote: michael wrote: has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered what you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os that doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and Wojciech. I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? is ranting on here about those two things going to change 8.0 to be the next best gaming console? no. if you want to use freebsd on your desktop with 3D you can. just run i386. but this entire thread has gone down hill from the OP, and it is nonsense. you get a few more registers with 64bit and some more ram, big deal. show me a gaming console that needs more than four gigs of ram. its not a priority and it shouldn't be. this is a server class operating system that you CAN use on your desk if wanted. even linux in all its glory with an nvidia 64bit driver isn't all that great at gaming, i'm sorry its just not. its not that great with 3D modeling either(in house and proprietary software like maya do not count). It is a great server OS. Perhaps some would like it to be a better desktop OS? PC BSD not good enough for some I suppose? You could always get a Mac and run the NIX underneath it when needed. I like FreeBSD more than PC-BSD as a desktop OS, personally. I don't like the do it our way mentality of these user friendly desktop oriented OSes. What I want more of is functionality -- not featuritis. So, no . . . PC-BSD isn't good enough for my purposes, because it's serving someone else's purposes entirely. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Henry Spencer: Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly. pgpjUWMicCiuq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list - to cut off 95% of traffic that is not about FreeBSD. Moderation, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a scalpel. One should always be wary of its use where even the slightest error might result in significant loss of value. you may be right. moderation (censorship) on country or so level is just bad (TM). but FreeBSD is just a project, and it has owners (developer core team) - so it's different. and what i ask is not to just dump out people asking about what's program like photoshop for FreeBSD, but creating list group for that (freebsd-softw...@... or freebsd-progr...@...) and redirecting them there! and leave freebsd-questions for QUESTIONS ABOUT FREEBSD ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
Michel Talon wrote: Lowell Gilbert wrote: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services, was developed by Sun Microsystems to centralize administration of UNIX (originally SunOS) systems. It has now essentially become an industry standard; all major UNIX like systems (Solaris, HP-UX, AIX(R), Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc) support NIS. I work i am in a mostly Linux shop managed by NIS. However my machines are under FreeBSD and i have no problem getting the NIS info. The only gotcha is that, under Linux you have 2 files for passwds /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, while under FreeBSD you have just one /etc/master.passwd. So you need to run NIS in compatibility mode on the Linux server, so that passwd and shadow are concatenated. Securitywise it is the same since in any case the shadow information flows on the wire, ready to be captured by a scannner. Yes, but running the NIS server in UNSECURE=true mode also allows local users on NIS workstations to access the password hashes. It is essentially the same as running a local machine with world read access to master.passwd. Your only defense then would be very strong passwords that would not be breakable by something like i.e. jack the ripper. I bet most people would prefer not to rely on this... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:46:03PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about: - KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody) BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this, except KDE/Gnome/whatever can be run on it Isn't discussion of getting KDE/GNOME/whatever working *with* FreeBSD a FreeBSD topic? - support of flash in Opera/Firefox/Whatever again BECAUSE WWW BROWSER ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD. Isn't getting Flash working *with* FreeBSD (and browser of choice) a FreeBSD topic? - support of new/hot (literally)/super/extra graphics cards from NVidia. BECAUSE Xorg IS NOT PART OF FREEBSD. Isn't getting X.org working *with* FreeBSD (with a particular graphics adapter) a FreeBSD topic? While IMHO full graphics support (graphics support, not GUI) should be part of kernel as driver, it isn't. Isn't that, too, a FreeBSD topic -- whether graphics support should be addressed as part of the FreeBSD base system's scope? As NVidia card Xorg module does need some kernel wrapper (no idea why) - then there is nothing wrong for interested people to write it as ADD ON/PORT. - asking about bloat level, visual apperance comparision etc. between FreeBSD with KDE and Windoze. because KDE ARE NOT PART OF FREEBSD, and FreeBSD on it's own doesn't have (fortunately) any desktop environment so it can't be compared. Isn't FreeBSD + $foo a FreeBSD topic? if someone like to compare KDE with windoze - OK but NOT THIS GROUP! KDE is not an operating system and -- despite jokes to the contrary -- installing MS Windows on a computer does indeed give one an operating system. It takes something like FreeBSD, in addition to KDE, to have a valid OS+GUI comparison with MS Windows. SO - please just stop ALL NTG topics here. this group really lacks moderator. not someone that will remove posts he considers lame but all that is off topic. Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Paul Graham: Real ugliness is not harsh-looking syntax, but having to build programs out of the wrong concepts. pgpd2poBdaNfb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Isn't getting Flash working *with* FreeBSD (and browser of choice) a FreeBSD topic? WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 09:35:59PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers do make support for it. what is common today isn't normal. I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead people to make purchases of total package products rather than building something piecemeal or being able to specify what goes into a purchase at a very fine-grained level. Laptop purchases in particular suffer the problem of tending to be preconfigured package deals -- and sometimes you have to compromise on getting fully documented hardware with open specs in order to meet other requirements that are more critical to your immediate needs. This may especially be a problem for people who need a known-good physical interface to stave off repetitive stress injury (for example). Then again, judging by some of your statements, you probably feel that laptops should never be used with FreeBSD unless they've been repurposed as file servers. if you think they do this to hide their hardware secrets you are wrong. See x86 instruction set - does it reveal how Intel or Amd made their processor so fast? no! They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true reason they do this. With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly there are thousands of hardware bugs. with secret drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. I rather suspect that a much stronger, and more common, reason for obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java is the best programming language around because that's what most programmers use and have some vague, unsupported (but stubborn) notion that secrets are good for business. At least it *seems* they all think so. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] A: It reverses the normal flow of conversation. Q: What's wrong with top-posting? pgpDfzZYrLeoO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead people to make purchases of total package products rather than building something there are products for them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re[2]: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update
Again not worked: webarchive# mv freebsd-update.sh /usr/sbin/freebsd-update webarchive# mv freebsd-update.conf /etc webarchive# mceidt /etc/freebsd-update.conf mceidt: Command not found. webarchive# mcedit /etc/freebsd-update.conf webarchive# freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. webarchive# webarchive# setenv HTTP_PROXY http://192.100.100.1:3128 webarchive# setenv FTP_PROXY http://192.100.100.1:3128 webarchive# freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. No updates needed to update system to 6.3-RELEASE-p6. webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.3-RELEASE upgrade freebsd-update: Cannot upgrade from 6.3-RELEASE to itself webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. webarchive# MK If you are starting from FreeBSD 6.3, why are you using the add-on MK freebsd-update.sh ? The base system freebsd-update in 6.3 can handle MK upgrades to newer releases. MK Please follow the instructions here, using the freebsd-update utility MK that comes with the system (section 26.2.3): MK http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-freebsdupdate.html -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Renat mailto:re...@maps.mi.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
Valentin Bud wrote: There are different students that use those computers and they change frequently. So i thought to make a server, using FreeBSD (of course), that has a database of users so the linux machines don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and such. I don't really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can i achieve this are welcomed. Try using Kerberos v5, everything you need resides in world and there is a good article in handbook on getting it working. This would be much more secure then NIS. Kerberos works as the authentication provider. You still should use some authorization provider or make users on all machines by hand. Authorization providers could be: 1. Hesiod. Designed together with Kerberos its currently slightly broken in our tree. 2. NIS. Just make sure you don't supply password hashes. It's good enough yet a bit outdated in my thought's. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
Hello list, Thanks everybody for comments, things are starting to become more clear now. I have to do the reading regarding all the recom i have received from all of you which will take me some time because this project is in my spare time which is close to unexistent. I'll come back with feedback as soon as i decide which solution to use. a great day, v ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
use different mouse/input devices in X.org
Hi List, i've using a Notebook with touchpad which works perfeclty fine. However, i'd like also to use in paralell an external via usb connect mouse. If i configure this hard into X.org config it will work but i stumble here on problems. First of all, i have to shutdown the X.org Server to do so, and restart it. Secondly i was not able to tell X.org to use both device, which would be the touchpad and the external mouse. Possibly there is a daemon i can run in backround which maybe handles that? Anyone has a solution for that kind of problem or something to hit me in the right direction? As usual thank you in advance, Marco ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
- Original Message - From: prad p...@towardsfreedom.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:59:46 +0200 Ivailo Bonev ibb_o...@mbox.contact.bg wrote: What's your problem with Lada?! :-D They make cars (especially Niva) to drive everywhere! well may be they could work on the nvidia drivers. they already have 4 of the 6 letters correct. Just my 2 euro cents... lol ok ok i admit that was a very desperate attempt at a joke. but you must understand that today your 2 euro cents is 3.3 of our canadian cents, so our humor can't go as far. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I think too much of this discussion is OT, maybe it's time to go in freebsd-c...@? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re[2]: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update
Yes. I try . But not worked!! - webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. I probe you solution change change server from update.freebsd.org to update1.freebsd.org Not worked((( What's is is the Bug on the FreeBSD servers? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I think too much of this discussion is OT, maybe it's time to go in freebsd-c...@? indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update
Renat wrote: Yes. I try . But not worked!! - webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. I probe you solution change change server from update.freebsd.org to update1.freebsd.org Not worked((( What's is is the Bug on the FreeBSD servers? Nothing wrong on the FreeBSD servers, AFAIK. I remotely upgraded two 6.3 servers to 6.4 just yesterday There must be something on your end or your ISP that causes this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: use different mouse/input devices in X.org
Le Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:53:02 +0100,
Marco ilikef...@web.de a écrit :
Hi List,
Hello,
i've using a Notebook with touchpad which works perfeclty fine.
However, i'd like also to use in paralell an external via usb connect
mouse. If i configure this hard into X.org config
it will work but i stumble here on problems. First of all, i have to
shutdown the X.org Server to do so, and restart it. Secondly i was not
able to tell X.org to use both device, which
would be the touchpad and the external mouse.
Possibly there is a daemon i can run in backround which maybe handles
that? Anyone has a solution for that kind of problem or something to
hit me in the right direction?
moused(8) is able to mix several mice.
You can use devd to call moused when an usb mouse is inserted, with a
rule in /etc/devd.conf like :
attach 200 {
device-name ums0;
action /usr/sbin/moused -a 5 -p /dev/ums0
-I /var/run/moused.ums0.pid ; /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -m on; };
In Xorg.conf, use /dev/sysmouse for the mouse device.
That's all.
Regards.
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Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu writes: But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL or whatever. Or even why isn't FreeBSD more like FreeBSD used to be back in the day? As a newcomer to FreeBSD (who will never be a programmer or serious sysadmin) I'm grateful for the firm but fair approach taken here by most people, for the toleration of my occasional inanities, and for helpful answers. I'm also grateful to Chad for helping me look at again at Compiz-fusion - I prefer fvwm myself, but CF IS gorgeous, no doubt about it, and my eleven year old thinks its cool :-) atb Glyn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo)
I would suggest Plone On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 22:26 +0900, munkhbayar batkhuu wrote: Dear all FreeBSD list members. One of my old FreeBSD-5.4 server is installed with Mambo (4.6.2 Bug Stomp Pre-Release 2, not installed from ports) and I'm going to upgrade this Content Management System (CMS) to FreeBSD-7 and tried to install Mambo via ports. New portaudit installed system says Mambo have security issue and can't be installed. And I'm not going to use Mambo. (I know Mambo have long standing history of security issues). It seems that Joomla will be installed fine (,however). My question is, Can you suggest me on more secure open source CMS?, which CMS are you using on FreeBSD?. Thanks in advance. Munkh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: skype
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Daniel Leal dl...@webvolution.net wrote: Hi ! Is there a problem if I use skype as root? like sudo skype. Because, if not i will get no sound! You should never run any network-connected software as root, as it is a huge security hole. Fix your permissions for your sound. -- Glen Barber If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done. --Scott Adams ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Glyn Millington wrote: But, we can _gently_ (it hasn't always been so gentle) teach newbies that the list is meant for something higher than just repeatedly ragging on why isn't FreeBSD more like MS or RHEL or whatever. Or even why isn't FreeBSD more like FreeBSD used to be back in the day? As you suggest, first, discussions about the direction FreeBSD should go are eminently FreeBSD related, and second, i think the passeists in the community, broadly speaking the sysadmins, not the programmers, are the worst enemies of FreeBSD progress. A number of obvious errors have crept in the thread, for example that Linux is crap - it has never been as good, and now outperforms FreeBSD in nearly everything - or that Gnome and Kde have nothing to do with FreeBSD, when there are dedicated FreeBSD teams working precisely on that. The idea that an OS has to be a server OS (translate, friendly to sysadmins) rather than a desktop OS leads directly to irrelevance (example Solaris), while the crappiest of the crappiest desktop OS succeeds in getting a foothold in server space, simply because people are used to it, and don't want to complicate their life. In general an OS gets hardware support proportional to the number of its users, so it is criminal to advocate concentrating on a niche use. Specifically for the question of nVidia 64 bits support, the nVidia engineers have clearly stated their intention of developing the driver as soon as appropriate kernel support is present, so as to be able to dothe same thing they are doing under Linux - a very understandable requirement. It happens that, for several years, no one has been able or willing to provide this kernel support. This is harming FreeBSD in an obvious way, but personally i could not care less, i use Intel video card. -- Michel TALON ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: install freebsd from inside another operating system
My experiments with the depenguinator seem to show it has a hidden dependency on the partition used for the constructed disk image. On my ubuntu 8.10 the original install constructed /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 extended /dev/sda5 swap Not sure why the extended, but it wasn't really needed so I deleted sda5 sda2 and then created a new primary partition /dev/sda2 for the swap. When using /dev/sda5 grub gave an error 12: invalid device, now with exactly the same build process /dev/sda2 gives a boot that works. However, the result crashes when the next stage kicks in. I don't know where the dependency is, perhaps it must use a primary partition or perhaps there's some way to specify the boot device that's not being used. The bootcode is fixed and not a function of the boot target (which is suspicious). -- Robin Becker ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: skype
Glen Barber wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Daniel Leal dl...@webvolution.net wrote: Hi ! Is there a problem if I use skype as root? like sudo skype. Because, if not i will get no sound! You should never run any network-connected software as root, as it is a huge security hole. Fix your permissions for your sound. For this read man devfs.conf. There are some examples available. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Michel Talon writes: As you suggest, first, discussions about the direction FreeBSD should go are eminently FreeBSD related, Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for general discussion; however, as things progress to the technical it becomes more appropriate for either hackers@ or a...@. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: use different mouse/input devices in X.org
Hello Patrick,
works like a charm. I had to test a little bit, but i ended up with
/dev/sysmouse in Xorg config and the following lines in the devd.conf:
attach 200 {
device-name psm0;
action /usr/sbin/moused -a 2 -p /dev/psm0 -I
/var/run/moused.psm0.pid;
/usr/sbin/vidcontrol -m on; };
attach 220 {
device-name ums0;
action /usr/sbin/moused -a 2 -p /dev/ums0 -I
/var/run/moused.ums0.pid; /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -m on; };
Where psm0 is my touchpad and ums0 my external mouse. Ok i never
wanted mouse support on the console, but it's maybe i feature i'll get
used to ;-)
Thanks a lot,
Marco
Patrick Lamaizière wrote:
Le Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:53:02 +0100,
Marco ilikef...@web.de a écrit :
Hi List,
Hello,
i've using a Notebook with touchpad which works perfeclty fine.
However, i'd like also to use in paralell an external via usb connect
mouse. If i configure this hard into X.org config
it will work but i stumble here on problems. First of all, i have to
shutdown the X.org Server to do so, and restart it. Secondly i was not
able to tell X.org to use both device, which
would be the touchpad and the external mouse.
Possibly there is a daemon i can run in backround which maybe handles
that? Anyone has a solution for that kind of problem or something to
hit me in the right direction?
moused(8) is able to mix several mice.
You can use devd to call moused when an usb mouse is inserted, with a
rule in /etc/devd.conf like :
attach 200 {
device-name ums0;
action /usr/sbin/moused -a 5 -p /dev/ums0
-I /var/run/moused.ums0.pid ; /usr/sbin/vidcontrol -m on; };
In Xorg.conf, use /dev/sysmouse for the mouse device.
That's all.
Regards.
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Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat 13 Dec 2008 at 01:44:03 PST Chad Perrin wrote: I rather suspect that a much stronger, and more common, reason for obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java is the best programming language around because that's what most programmers use and have some vague, unsupported (but stubborn) notion that secrets are good for business. At least it *seems* they all think so. There's no need to impute any insidious or lazy motive to them. If they can sell their product without documenting any API's, they will tend to do so, as a way of cutting costs and thus increasing their profits. As for their obstinate refusal, I think they often have a reasonable fear that if they do provide documentation, it will create an ongoing demand for support. No matter how much effort you put into documentation, there always seem to be some questions you haven't answered, and people will be pestering you for the answers. More costs! But once you've opened the door by publishing the documentation, it's hard to close it gracefully. So they probably figure it's better to just say no at the outset. (None of this has much of anything to do with FreeBSD, and I apologize for replying to something off-topic. But I felt I had to speak out against an all-too-common prejudice.) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Release schedules
On Friday 12 December 2008 19:26, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: -- From: Joe S js.li...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:20 PM To: Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Jonathan McKeown jonathan+freebsd-questi...@hst.org.za Subject: Re: Release schedules On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can offer any help or useful suggestions, but here goes... What on earth is going on with release scheduling? Two words: volunteer project I would propose to do away with the release schedule altogether, or make it very succinct; next release: when it's done. What? Isn't that the Linux kernel schedule? Give me a break. The OpenBSD team of volunteers makes a new release every six months, with target release dates in May and November. I can't recall a slip of even one day. I know, this isn't OpenBSD, but it proves that a regular release schedule is indeed possible. also remember that 6.4 was being worked on at the same time. there's only a finite number of people to spread across both projects. finalization of 7.1 should come faster as 6.4 has been released According to http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.1R/schedule.html , the ports tree was frozen on 8 September, tagged on 22 September and unfrozen. (I see elsewhere in this thread someone saying it's still frozen - I'm not sure which statement is correct). 7.1-RELEASE should have been done a couple of weeks later - early in October for announcement on 13 October. We are now looking at a release in January. That's not a few days or even a few weeks late - it's almost four months late; and 7.1-RELEASE will ship with a ports tree that's almost 5 months out of date. Not only that - it's shipping mere weeks before the end-of-life for 7.0-RELEASE (currently 28 Feb 2009). I have been watching the web page and freebsd-stable. There has been no obvious indication of the reason for the delays or the expected duration. (For earlier releases, there was a todo page linked from the release webpage which listed areas needing more work and areas needing testing). The -RC1 release announcement finally acknowledged that there had been a number of major problems, not all of which have been fully addressed yet. As a community, we should be ashamed of this: ``volunteer effort'' just isn't a good enough excuse - and those of us who haven't volunteered need to find out how we can help get things back on track for the next release. When I first raised this, I asked if there was anything I could do to help the release engineering team with communication. Zbigniew Szalbot made a similar offer. I really think that once 7.1 is out, we (collectively) need to have a long hard look at the release process and make sure this doesn't happen again (and again and again and again - it's not the first time that I've scheduled work around release dates and ended up being embarrassed or having to do jobs twice, with a pre-release and then again when the release arrives.) Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38:18 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Isn't getting Flash working *with* FreeBSD (and browser of choice) a FreeBSD topic? WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that. Do you really, honestly expect Mozilla, Galeon, Epiphany and any random browser team to support FreeBSD users? I think that's stretching it a bit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:03:39 -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer after looking .. freebsd - the power to serve Might one reasonably surmise that the power to serve implies doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers, FTP servers, web servers, file servers, database servers, ssh servers, even - gasp - X11 servers? I am 'served' quite well by my GUI programs too, if that's part of the question. The word 'service' is not limited by the very narrow meaning of an IP based or other network application :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for general discussion about FreeBSD, or general discussion about thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? general discussion; however, as things progress to the technical it becomes more appropriate for either hackers@ or a...@. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
FreeBSD topic? WITH BROWSER. ask browser programmers for that. Do you really, honestly expect Mozilla, Galeon, Epiphany and any random i expect to support any unix. and they do. unfortunately they didn't write flash module, so you have to use abobe flash that is available as binary only for lots os OS but NOT FREEBSD. you should ask Adobe for it. that's all. FreeBSD doesn't have to support flash. It doesn't even have to support watching WWW pages because (contrary to - say - windoze) IT IS NOT PART OF OS! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo)
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008, Julien Cigar wrote: I would suggest Plone I'll second that. Bill -- INTERNET: b...@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax:(206) 232-9186 People from East Germany have found the West so confusing. It's so much easier when you have only one party. -- Linus Torvalde, Linux Expo Canada when asked about confusion over many Linux distributions. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:24:13 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Technical note: questions@ may be an appropriate forum for general discussion about FreeBSD, or general discussion about thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece of software also runs on AmigaOS? Not really, IMO :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece of software also runs on AmigaOS? Not really, IMO :) do you ask say - microsoft - about supporting program that doesn't run under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. no. so stop asking on FreeBSD group about flash support. it's not FreeBSD developers job. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:48:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: thousands of unix software that runs on unices including FreeBSD? I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece of software also runs on AmigaOS? Not really, IMO :) do you ask say - microsoft - about supporting program that doesn't run under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with Microsoft at all? In the other hypothetical scenario that I would be a happy Microsoft user who finds something nice about MacOS, would I ask MacOS people if they want to port their program to Windows, or would I ask the rest of my Windows pals if they know of an equivalent program for my OS? no. You are drawing a hypothetical scenario out of thin air, a fictional answer that *I* would give in that case, and then responding to that answer. It sounds like fun, but it isn't very useful as an argument that proves some unstated point. so stop asking on FreeBSD group about flash support. it's not FreeBSD developers job. I'm not asking FreeBSD developers about flash support. One of the reasons is that I _am_ one of the FreeBSD developers, so I (usually) know what works and what doesn't. Another reason is that Flash is not everything. There are literally _thousands_ of programs that one can use on FreeBSD. You seem to be fervently pushing an agenda that FreeBSD should do one thing or that freebsd-questions should do another, but you are missing a very important point: FreeBSD is not something because we wish it to be that thing. It is and it becomes what we _make_ it be. So, if you want it to be an OS that ignores anything that has not been specifically `designed for BSD', including the thousands of programs included in the Ports collection, you are free to do so with _your_ installations of FreeBSD. What irks me and really gets me to spend some time answering posts in this thread is that you seem to believe that it is ok to tell everybody else what to do with *their* FreeBSD time or what to support on freebsd-questions by spending _their_ time writing helpful answers to user questions. I'm afraid this isn't going to work very well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Hi, I don't see the difference. If a program runs on FreeBSD it runs on FreeBSD, so it _is_ something that FreeBSD users may be interested in for their every day work. Does it really matter if the particular piece of software also runs on AmigaOS? Not really, IMO :) do you ask say - microsoft - about supporting program that doesn't run under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. no. so stop asking on FreeBSD group about flash support. it's not FreeBSD developers job. Wojciech - I know you are a very competent and experienced user when it comes to FBSD so do not treat my post as kind of a flame war. Let me say this - if you want to help, please do. There are many times when your replies are helpful (gmirror comes to mind) but more often than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this project. Please stop doing that. Please. It seems to me that you are forcing your views on everyone by looking at reality from your point of view only. I wouldn't have written this if it was only tiring, but it is also harmful to the communit at large, especially those who are interested in giving FBSD a try. Best regards, -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl www.slowo.pl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Release schedules
Hello, As a community, we should be ashamed of this: ``volunteer effort'' just isn't a good enough excuse - and those of us who haven't volunteered need to find out how we can help get things back on track for the next release. When I first raised this, I asked if there was anything I could do to help the release engineering team with communication. Zbigniew Szalbot made a similar offer. Thank you Jonathan - I cannot give much to FBSD as I am not a programmer either but - again - if I can be of any use communication-wise, I am happy to join the community and serve. Best regards, -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl www.slowo.pl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update
Manolis Kiagias wrote: Renat wrote: Yes. I try . But not worked!! - webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. I probe you solution change change server from update.freebsd.org to update1.freebsd.org Not worked((( What's is is the Bug on the FreeBSD servers? Nothing wrong on the FreeBSD servers, AFAIK. I remotely upgraded two 6.3 servers to 6.4 just yesterday There must be something on your end or your ISP that causes this. Most likely something is blocking dns SRV requests (which is what FreeBSD-update uses to find the mirrors). I used to have this problem due to a misconfigured dnsmasq install. I fixed it but my problem is the reason that update.freebsd.org has an A record of its own now. Because of this it should not cause an impact on the update process, and you shouldn't need to change update to update1 anymore. It would not surprise me if your problems are related to using the addon freebsd-update rather than the built-in, which you apparently overwrote with the addon one (the original is in the sources, or on the CVS). It could be unrelated, but it is an easily identifiable misstep. If you cannot get freebsd-update working, you could update using a 6.4 cd. Also, there is nothing wrong with the FreeBSD servers, as I just updated a few seconds ago: athlon# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 1 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. The following components of FreeBSD seem to be installed: kernel/smp world/base The following components of FreeBSD do not seem to be installed: kernel/generic src/base src/bin src/contrib src/crypto src/etc src/games src/gnu src/include src/krb5 src/lib src/libexec src/release src/rescue src/sbin src/secure src/share src/sys src/tools src/ubin src/usbin world/catpages world/dict world/doc world/games world/info world/manpages world/proflibs Does this look reasonable (y/n)? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this i don't discourage beginners that want to learn. Most of them don't. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Release schedules
Jerry wrote: My biggest gripe with the entire update schedule is that the ports freeze has been frozen longer than my wife. Maybe having two separate ports, one for the current version and one for the RC? version might work better. I have never fully understood why the ports had to be frozen anyway. Why can there not be two separate entities, the current version and the beta one? Ports aren't actually frozen at the moment. Neither are they completely open for any sort of updates. Instead they're in a 'slush' -- no sweeping changes permitted, no major changes to the infrastructure (ie. bsd.ports.mk, that sort of thing). This allows the RELEASE_7_1_0 tag to be slid forward in the event of critical or security updates to specific ports. For instance, see: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/databases/phpmyadmin/Makefile?only_with_tag=RELEASE_7_1_0 That update was committed two days ago, and as it's a security update it has been tagged as RELEASE_7_1_0, so will in principle appear on the 7.1-isos. (I can't remember if phpmyadmin actually is one of the packages available on the install CDs or not. Given its popularity, quite possibly.) Docs are in a similar 'slush' state, but in this case it's primarily to allow the various translation teams to synch the various language versions to the original language the docco was written in (almost always English, but not entirely) Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with Microsoft at all? In the non-hypotethical scenario of You being windows user happy with flash in browsers (or maybe linux - doesn't matter), why do you bother FreeBSD users about it at all?! you exactly confirmed what i said ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:06:39 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: under windows, but runs under - say - MacOS. In the hypothetical scenario that I would be a Mac user who is happy with his MacOS application, why would I want to bother with Microsoft at all? In the non-hypotethical scenario of You being windows user happy with flash in browsers (or maybe linux - doesn't matter), why do you bother FreeBSD users about it at all?! you exactly confirmed what i said i don't see how your comment applies. giorgos addressed the 2 scenarios A. happy with os1 app, not bother with os2 B. happy with os2, but likes a os1 app so wants to have it ported or find equivalent. i think giorgos is saying that we have scenario B (while your non-hypothetical is really A) where happy fbsd user would like some other os1 app. i don't see anything wrong with that despite my personal feelings about flash. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:33:40AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list - to cut off 95% of traffic that is not about FreeBSD. Moderation, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a scalpel. One should always be wary of its use where even the slightest error might result in significant loss of value. you may be right. moderation (censorship) on country or so level is just bad (TM). No -- at *any* level: Moderation is, like all bureaucracy and oversight, a chainsaw -- not a scalpel. One should always be wary of its use where even the slightest error might result in significant loss of value. I'm not saying moderation is always bad. I'm saying one should always be wary of it were error can result in damage to overall value. I'll provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe you'll be able to understand my point. When creating firewall rules, the logical and safe way to do it is to first deny all traffic, then create rules to specificallfy allow only the traffic you want -- in the general case, at least. If and when you run across need for something else to be allowed through, add it to the exceptions to the default deny policy. False positives (i.e., things that are denied entry or exit through the firewall) are generally not a big problem, because you can just change the ruleset and try again. When creating spam filter rules, priorities are a little different. In the general case, if you have a default deny policy with exception-based rulesets, you will suffer significant problems. This is because false positives can be much more damaging to your priorities, since receiving an email is not something you can just try again in many cases. Important emails may be sent unsolicited, and you may never know they were sent if you don't receive them because your spam filter was overzealous in its identification of emails. It is because of this elevated level of damage caused by false positives in spam filtering that third-party blacklists and strict heuristic spam identification can prove quite suboptimal. Introducing a heuristic filter to a mailing list -- and human moderation is exactly that: a heuristic filter -- can cause the same kind of problem with false positives as a heuristic filter for personal email spam management. and what i ask is not to just dump out people asking about what's program like photoshop for FreeBSD, but creating list group for that (freebsd-softw...@... or freebsd-progr...@...) and redirecting them there! Actually, my take on the list name freebsd-questions is that it's for howto questions related to FreeBSD -- not that it's specifically, and only, for questions about the FreeBSD Base System. In much the same manner that there are a lot of mailing lists for questions about Linux that deal with much more than just the Linux kernel, I don't think anyone in a position to make such demands of the community has clarified questions about FreeBSD to be limited, in intent, to questions about the FreeBSD Base System. I look at the freebsd-questions information page: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions . . . and I don't see anything saying If your question does not pertain directly, and solely, to the Base System, you should not ask it on this list. In fact, if that *was* the rule, this list would probably only get something like two questions in a five month period on average. Most of them would just be repeats, probably mostly related to how to use csup. Is that what you want -- a list so restrictive and low-traffic as to be almost pointless? and leave freebsd-questions for QUESTIONS ABOUT FREEBSD As far as I can tell, that's *exactly* what this list is -- if you assume FreeBSD is more than the Base System, and includes things like the peripheral projects associated with it, and its users. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Naguib Mahfouz: You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions. pgpCNvTivB7gH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 01:48:02PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I think too much of this discussion is OT, maybe it's time to go in freebsd-c...@? indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics You, yourself, spawn this kind of digression into off-topicness every now and then. Perhaps *you* should reserve some of *your* comments for freebsd-chat, too. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Mike Maples, as quoted by James Gleick: My job is to get a fair share of the software applications market, and to me that's 100 percent. pgpHgDE3lWFMC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
bad (TM). No -- at *any* level: you are wrong. for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees ktalk about your company. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
freebsd-c...@? indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics You, yourself, spawn this kind of digression into off-topicness every now and then. Perhaps *you* should reserve some of *your* comments for freebsd-chat, too. And certainly will AFTER such offtopic discussion won't be appearing here. i mean such offtopic discussion like: - comparision of things that can't be compared, and are not FreeBSD specific, like what is better windoze or KDE - how to make some very basic things is KDE/Gnome - it's not FreeBSD specific, of course we can answer how to do it without KDE/Gnome :) - When there will be 64-bit Nvidia Xorg support - ask NVidia or Xorg team. It's not part of FreeBSD after there will be stopped, i will stop complaining ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. exactly what i wrote. the problem is that people like You (and millions others) are willing to buy product without any documentation. You may find this surprising, but sometimes circumstances lead people to make purchases of total package products rather than building something there are products for them. In other words, your answer seems to be: We don't want users who like FreeBSD, but want to use it on a laptop. FreeBSD should never be used on a laptop. I'd say I can safely ignore you, knowing that's your attitude, if it weren't for the fact that a lot of other people won't know that down the line, and you may permanently damage the FreeBSD project by chasing off potential contributors. Is there any way I can get you to stop being such a contentious trojan horse of an enemy to the FreeBSD project? -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] They always say that when life gives you lemons you should make lemonade. I always wonder -- isn't the lemonade going to suck if life doesn't give you any sugar? pgps0kWIWROek.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:37:09AM -0800, Charlie Kester wrote: On Sat 13 Dec 2008 at 01:44:03 PST Chad Perrin wrote: I rather suspect that a much stronger, and more common, reason for obstinate refusal to open specs is the short-sightedness and general ignorance of daycoders and pointy-haired bosses -- all of whom think Java is the best programming language around because that's what most programmers use and have some vague, unsupported (but stubborn) notion that secrets are good for business. At least it *seems* they all think so. There's no need to impute any insidious or lazy motive to them. If they can sell their product without documenting any API's, they will tend to do so, as a way of cutting costs and thus increasing their profits. What about that isn't either insidious or lazy? As for their obstinate refusal, I think they often have a reasonable fear that if they do provide documentation, it will create an ongoing demand for support. No matter how much effort you put into documentation, there always seem to be some questions you haven't answered, and people will be pestering you for the answers. More costs! But once you've opened the door by publishing the documentation, it's hard to close it gracefully. So they probably figure it's better to just say no at the outset. I think that fear is, in fact, *unreasonable*. I also don't think it's the only unreasonable fear they have -- and that the bigger fear is probably that they would create competitors somehow, magically, without providing any information that directly encourages competition for their hardware. If they wanted to provide per-incident paid software support or simply charge people extra for drivers, *then* I could see this being a problem, but I haven't seen a whole lot of that kind of rent-seeking behavior from graphics adapter vendors. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Albert Camus: An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. pgp3HR6kYv0wc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Wojciech Puchar writes: so stop asking on FreeBSD group about flash support. it's not FreeBSD developers job. Except Flash support depends (/inter alia/) on the Linux emulation layer, which has been accepted as part of the FreeBSD developers job. Indeed, I get the feeling Flash is sort of a quiet proxy for the general health of a number of less well known but nonetheless useful bits and pieces. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Upgrade from FreeBsd 6.3 to 6.4 freebsd-update
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 03:47:15PM +0300, Renat wrote: Yes. I try . But not worked!! - webarchive# freebsd-update -r 6.4-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 6.3-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... failed. I probe you solution change change server from update.freebsd.org to update1.freebsd.org Not worked((( What's is is the Bug on the FreeBSD servers? Did you try that before or after you overwrote the built-in freebsd-update with the add-on freebsd-update.sh? If you tried it only *after* you clobbered freebsd-update, your problem is that you're still trying to use the freebsd-update.sh. That being the case, you should restore the original freebsd-update before trying again. If you tried it *before* you moved freebsd-update.sh, I hope someone else can help you, because I don't know. -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Alan Perlis: LISP programmers know the value of everything and the cost of nothing. pgpRkIss18XTN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I'll provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe you'll be able to understand my point ... good illustrative examples, chad! i think moderation has value if it is done reasonably. for instance, people who talk about foreign currency values on a freebsd list should be watched very closely. woj made a good point in another post i think in that he's happy helping beginners who really do wish to learn. i know i've come across some who think the world owes them everything and make ridiculous demands on a list (not to mention ot posts - and they aren't even trying to sell you anything!). however, in general i like giorgos' comment the best that he was helped a decade ago and he's returning that favor. so in that respect, i agree with your 'false positives' concern - innocent till proven guilty! anyone know if there are moderators for this list? i know there are some very nice people who keep watch. once i messaged the test list with a ports question (i was having trouble emailing this one - so i was testing to see if there was some problem in general), and a very considerate person from freebsd.org, Remko Lodder, emailed me asking if i knew that i was emailing the test list. i found it really decent that people look out for others here! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
good illustrative examples, chad! i think moderation has value if it is done reasonably. for instance, it all depends if FreeBSD has to be treated as public projects or somehow private. I'm not talking about open/closed source as it's opensource, but it's private as there are well defined core team+developers, not random people. without moderation it's a mess. It's nice people like to help other people, but it's bad it helps them on that lists with OFF-TOPIC problems. i don't mean moderation like removing one opinions and not others. But removing off-topic messages, that are 95% now or more. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
Except Flash support depends (/inter alia/) on the Linux emulation layer, which has been accepted as part of the FreeBSD developers job. Indeed, I get the feeling Flash is sort of a quiet flash runs under linux emulation with linux binary browsers. what a problem? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
probably that they would create competitors somehow, magically, without providing any information that directly encourages competition for their hardware. If they wanted to provide per-incident paid software support or simply charge people extra for drivers, *then* I could see this being a problem, but I haven't seen a whole lot of that kind of rent-seeking behavior from graphics adapter vendors. i don't see any problem. There is a product - for example Nvidia powersuckers^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hfull 3D accellerators. Their can this, that, blah, blah and blah, they don't have FreeBSD support. There are other products, they can this that blah blah and have FreeBSD support. You need blah blah and blah under FreeBSD, you don't buy nvidia. end of topic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:04:08 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: And certainly will AFTER such offtopic discussion won't be appearing here. i mean such offtopic discussion like: - comparision of things that can't be compared, and are not FreeBSD specific, like what is better windoze or KDE - how to make some very basic things is KDE/Gnome - it's not FreeBSD specific, of course we can answer how to do it without KDE/Gnome :) - When there will be 64-bit Nvidia Xorg support - ask NVidia or Xorg team. It's not part of FreeBSD after there will be stopped, i will stop complaining Better yet, start your own list. Then you can play the roles of führer and Gestapo all to your own liking. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com For an idea to be fashionable is ominous, since it must afterwards be always old-fashioned. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
team. It's not part of FreeBSD after there will be stopped, i will stop complaining Better yet, start your own list. Then you can play the roles of führer and Gestapo all to your own liking. i am not FreeBSD owner/creator. If i would sell a product/service that would need mailing list for support i will certainly do this, so that list will support my product, not others, and to remove mess and offtopic threads. If you wish you can call me fuhrer ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly got too far. Please control your words more.___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:38:29 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: It's nice people like to help other people, but it's bad it helps them on that lists with OFF-TOPIC problems. agreed! i think these illustrations you present are relevant: - comparision of things that can't be compared, and are not FreeBSD specific, like what is better windoze or KDE i think questions like this come as a result of the asker not knowing the landscape (which is certainly forgivable) or just wanting a quick answer without wanting to understand anything (which is not). more appropriate - how is freebsd better than windoze? btw, just in case anyone is interested this is the page that got to go to freebsd way back when: http://people.freebsd.org/%7Emurray/bsd_flier.html (don't know how accurate it is now, but it is a comparison of freebsd, linux and win2000) i've travelled around a fair bit with both bsds and linuxes, but came back to freebsd. - When there will be 64-bit Nvidia Xorg support - ask NVidia or Xorg team. It's not part of FreeBSD i would think a question like this would be asked by people who don't understand the mechanisms involved specifically that freebsd doesn't provide the drivers and that it is unreasonable to expect the already generous developers to reverse engineer something like this. i don't mean moderation like removing one opinions and not others. agreed. that would be unreasonable censorship. you're reply to another post: If you wish you can call me fuhrer ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly got too far. :D good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm. moderation would definitely not be a bad thing in some situations! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
Nguyen Tam Chinh wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Valentin Bud wrote: If you only have UNIX systems in LAN. But in my case i have Linux + FreeBSD (server). From the handbook NIS only works between FBSDs. Am i missing something? You are correct. Hmm, I have NIS server on an old Solaris 8 and all clients are Linux (I can't use FBSD at work due so far). So it sounds strange if NIS works only between FBSDs, something not standard in the implementation? Anyway, I also vote for the LDAP. Later on when you need to introduce new services, LDAP will integrate better. NIS is very specific for *nix world. The problem with NIS between Linux and FreeBSD is the format of the password database. FreeBSD uses /etc/master.passwd -- which contains everything that's in the standard /etc/passwd file and adds the password hashes and several extra columns to do with password expiry and login groups. Linux, and other SysV-alike systems like Solaris have /etc/passwd -- same as on FreeBSD -- and /etc/shadow: a separate file with password hashes and various controls for password expiry. The formats of /etc/master.passwd and /etc/shadow are incompatible, although (assuming the password hashes are compatible) it should be a fairly small matter of programming to write scripts to convert between the two. In the case where you have a FreeBSD NIS server and Linux clients, it is perfectly feasible to have the FreeBSD box serve a Linux-style /etc/shadow database via NIS. This means users can log in on Linux machines, and I think it's also not too difficult to make changing passwords over NIS work (although ICBW), but the client users will not automatically be able to log into the central (FreeBSD) NIS server. Some might view this as a /feature/. Of course, as has been pointed out else-thread, LDAP is the way of the future. It's much more scalable and interoperable between different OSes than NIS, provides huge amounts of extra functionality and it supports things like geographically distributed sites all sharing the same password database but with local users managed from local servers. (LDAP is a hierarchical database much like the DNS. As with the DNS, sub-domains in the LDAP tree can be delegated off to different servers. Although that's pretty advanced usage). Even a basic setup does require a much steeper learning curve to get it going from scratch than most of the alternatives. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
you're reply to another post: If you wish you can call me fuhrer ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly got too far. :D good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm. i think it's a problem of fear about past consorship in many countries. But this is completely different things. Moderation is not censorship like that, as EVERYONE can create it's own mailing lists :) moderation would definitely not be a bad thing in some situations! and exactly is needed on that group. it would be enough that moderator's job will be just removing posts that classify to NTG. NOTHING else. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?
guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? [2 da ago i send cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my paragraph. i'd like to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully was glanced at!] tia, gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
Of course, as has been pointed out else-thread, LDAP is the way of the future. It's much more scalable and interoperable between different OSes and much more overcomplex, mostly unneeded complexity IMHO. Please think twice before telling about the way of the future. It's just one way, and i wish in the future i will still have a choice between many different tools and solutions, and be able to choose THE SIMPLEST for the problem, as i always do. As i didn't use NIS for a some time and never in FreeBSD i can't tell more about this, but at first look problem of database format is trivial, as master.passwd could be converted to 2-file format with few lines of shell script, and i could be done periodically to make them up to date. Sorry if i missed something because i was some time ago. I just don't like overcomplex tools for simple tasks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?
guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] If i understood you correctly, you mean confirmation of mail being read. It is not mail server job, it's purely mail client functionality. I'm not even sure if it was ever standarized. but for sure sendmail.mc/cf is not the right place to search only your mail program configs/docs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? [2 da ago i send cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my paragraph. i'd like to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully was glanced at!] I believe you're looking for a receipt confirmation tool, but I don't believe mutt has that capability, as its job is to write mail, and direct it to the MTA. Either way, receipt confirmations are not always accurate, as I never send confirmations that I have received mail -- then I'd *need* to reply. -- Glen Barber If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done. --Scott Adams ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Release schedules
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot zszal...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, As a community, we should be ashamed of this: ``volunteer effort'' just isn't a good enough excuse - and those of us who haven't volunteered need to find out how we can help get things back on track for the next release. When I first raised this, I asked if there was anything I could do to help the release engineering team with communication. Zbigniew Szalbot made a similar offer. Thank you Jonathan - I cannot give much to FBSD as I am not a programmer either but - again - if I can be of any use communication-wise, I am happy to join the community and serve. I second that, and would be happy to participate as well. -- Glen Barber If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done. --Scott Adams ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:26:21 -0800, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: anyone know if there are moderators for this list? i know there are some very nice people who keep watch. once i messaged the test list with a ports question (i was having trouble emailing this one - so i was testing to see if there was some problem in general), and a very considerate person from freebsd.org, Remko Lodder, emailed me asking if i knew that i was emailing the test list. No, we don't have moderators on freebsd-questions. We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless it is. We seem to be doing quite fine without moderation so far. We even advertise freebsd-questions as the main contact point for questions about FreeBSD on release notes, our web site, and on the CD-ROM or DVD-ROM images sold by FreeBSD distributors like FreeBSD-Mall. There are very good reasons to keep this status quo. I have yet to see *one* good reason for introducing moderation. i found it really decent that people look out for others here! Yes, that's the spirit :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:50:53 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? [2 da ago i send cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my paragraph. i'd like to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully was glanced at!] I don't think there's a way to *force* the recipients of your messages to reply whenever they read a post. Your MUA can ask for this sort of 'email receipt', but the recipient can always ignore it. My mailers always ignore this sort of mis-feature, for instance, because I consider it a violation of my privacy. Whenever I get one of these ``call home'' emails, I can't help but think: ``Why would you want to know that I woke up in the middle of the night, fired up Emacs, read a few qmail messages, but then thought it best to keep sleeping rather than reply to your message?'' Having said that, you can configure _your_ mutt instance to send DSN replies. Look for the dsn_notify and dsn_return options in the manual of Mutt. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: freebsd-c...@? indeed. with this and other non-freebsd topics You, yourself, spawn this kind of digression into off-topicness every now and then. Perhaps *you* should reserve some of *your* comments for freebsd-chat, too. And certainly will AFTER such offtopic discussion won't be appearing here. i mean such offtopic discussion like: - comparision of things that can't be compared, and are not FreeBSD specific, like what is better windoze or KDE I have yet to see a topic on questions@ regarding windows vs KDE. - how to make some very basic things is KDE/Gnome - it's not FreeBSD specific, of course we can answer how to do it without KDE/Gnome :) I agree with this, to a point. That's what freebsd-kde@, freebsd-gnome@ are for, but sometimes questions are too generalized, and end up here. - When there will be 64-bit Nvidia Xorg support - ask NVidia or Xorg team. It's not part of FreeBSD It is, indirectly. Although the FreeBSD developers shouldn't be responsible for this kind of thing, they most probably have more direct contact and inside information with these type of vendors. after there will be stopped, i will stop complaining Doubtful. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: DVD cloning tool
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org]on Behalf Of Polytropon Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:48 AM To: Andrew Gould Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: DVD cloning tool I'm searching for the same functionality applyable to DVD, so I can easily clone video DVDs I made, as well as data DVDs or DVDs with audio tracks (yes, this works, too). Hi Polytropon, Thought I would put in my $0.02 here. Your not going to find a tool like this under FreeBSD or any freeOS that I know of. The issue is one of assumptions. The so-called cheap DVDs that you speak of which have bad sectors, in actuality do NOT have bad sectors - at least, not randomly bad sectors, that is. More and more commercial DVD's are coming these days with copy protection on them. When the video DVD is read as an ISO, the reader gets to a certain block in the DVD then commences to return errors. I am not sure how the video playing software gets around it but I suspect it sends a command to the reader. The only program I know of that reads these is a Windows program called DVD Fab. It's trialware, you can download it and run it for a month. It also gets around the known copy protection schemes used in BlueRay which are considerably more sophisticated. If you can make an ISO of a video DVD with this program but it fails using dd, then your dealing with copy protection. For example rental DVD's of Pirates of the Carribean 3 and Clone Wars both have this. I don't know if the versions you buy have this as well, I suspect they don't since my guess is someone is getting royalties on this scheme somewhere. I would love to see someone write some code to get around this for use with dd program. Of course, I know your NOT trying to illegally copy commercial DVDs so it's not necessary for you to reply with protests. Heh. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
Wojciech Puchar wrote: Of course, as has been pointed out else-thread, LDAP is the way of the future. It's much more scalable and interoperable between different OSes and much more overcomplex, mostly unneeded complexity IMHO. Please think twice before telling about the way of the future. It's just one way, and i wish in the future i will still have a choice between many different tools and solutions, and be able to choose THE SIMPLEST for the problem, as i always do. As i didn't use NIS for a some time and never in FreeBSD i can't tell more about this, but at first look problem of database format is trivial, as master.passwd could be converted to 2-file format with few lines of shell script, and i could be done periodically to make them up to date. Sorry if i missed something because i was some time ago. I just don't like overcomplex tools for simple tasks. Funnily enough, I am actually in complete agreement with you. When I said The Way of the Future -- that should be read with a certain degree of irony. No one is going to remove the simpler ways of doing this stuff any time soon, because the simple way is the right way for the vast majority of cases. Almost all of the systems I have any administrative oversight of just use local password databases and SSH keys for authentication. I do have a few instances where we use an LDAP back-end to provide an authentication database for various web sites or other applications. Here the primary benefit is actually being able to build a distributed user DB *without* having to give everybody local unix accounts. The benefits outweigh the extra complexity involved. Sure LDAP is complicated, but it's of the same order of complexity as a RDBMS system like MySQL. And like MySQL, there are right times, places and ways to use it, and wrong ones too. Yes, there is a lot of complexity, but that means there's a lot of flexibility too. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:04:43 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless it is. very true! i've been surprised at the low spam ratio here for sure! we all owe a debt of gratitude to this postmaster. We seem to be doing quite fine without moderation so far. that's pretty cool and certainly says something about the quality of people on this list. the abrasive stuff is minimal as compared to other lists i've been on too. thanks for the info. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Centralized DB of system users
Funnily enough, I am actually in complete agreement with you. When I said The Way of the Future -- that should be read with a certain degree of irony. No one is going to remove the simpler ways of doing this stuff any time soon, because the simple way is the right way for the vast majority well i told this because removing simple tools was quite common in many systems just because. Good example is removing rsh/rshd/telnet/telnetd from most linux distros because they are insecure. period. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless it is. very true! i've been surprised at the low spam ratio here for sure! we all owe a debt of gratitude to this postmaster. every time i get worried seeing a spam on FreeBSD mailing list, i quickly think about how many spams DOES NOT get here :) We seem to be doing quite fine without moderation so far. that's pretty cool and certainly says something about the quality of people on this list. the abrasive stuff is minimal as compared to other lists i've been on too. the truth that other lists (like other unices, linux) are worse (yes, they are) doesn't mean that this list can't be improved. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
prad writes: We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless it is. very true! i've been surprised at the low spam ratio here for sure! we all owe a debt of gratitude to this postmaster. Well, yes. On the other hand, spamming a mailing list full of computer geeks - crochety and otherwise - is about as productive as trying to rob a bar full of police. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
A lot of times I report spam anymore and usually the domain gets kicked off or I help a company with some information in their investigation usually. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors
On Saturday 13 December 2008 20:10:56 Robert Huff wrote: prad writes: We have a fantastic postmaster, who is single-handedly managing dozens of mailing lists, replying to posts about email problems for the entire *.FreeBSD.org domain, and making sure that we get as little spam as possible. That sort of service that is so good and so transparent that it is _very_ easy to forget how useful and thankless it is. very true! i've been surprised at the low spam ratio here for sure! we all owe a debt of gratitude to this postmaster. Well, yes. On the other hand, spamming a mailing list full of computer geeks - crochety and otherwise - is about as productive as trying to rob a bar full of police. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Will this thread possibly stop before new years eve perhaps? It is already gearing to another issue!. I didn't count but I believe it has reached over 30 and I can't stand deleting it anymore. pleeease stop ! Thanks -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?
I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but the only kind of receive confirmation you get from your FreeBSD system itself is the success entry in /var/log/maillog which will inform you that either the POP/SMTP server facility where the recipient has his mail account successfully received the message or the information that the SmartHost mail relay has accepted the message for relaying (in case your sendmail subsystem just hands mail over to a relay). Any kind of confirmation that the recipient has read the message is up to his mail client application. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:58:44PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] If i understood you correctly, you mean confirmation of mail being read. It is not mail server job, it's purely mail client functionality. I'm not even sure if it was ever standarized. not read, merely opened, touched--obviously... but for sure sendmail.mc/cf is not the right place to search only your mail program configs/docs. i was hoping sendmail, being the transfer agent was NOT the place. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 05:02:48PM -0500, Glen Barber wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? [2 da ago i send cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my paragraph. i'd like to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully was glanced at!] I believe you're looking for a receipt confirmation tool, but I don't believe mutt has that capability, as its job is to write mail, and direct it to the MTA. Either way, receipt confirmations are not always accurate, as I never send confirmations that I have received mail -- then I'd *need* to reply. :-) i just want to know that the OP opened/saw/skimmed thru. yes, i guess no reply means something... . -- Glen Barber If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done. --Scott Adams -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: DVD cloning tool
Hi and thanks for your reply. On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:18:23 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt t...@toybox.placo.com wrote: Your not going to find a tool like this under FreeBSD or any freeOS that I know of. So I may conclude: There is no tool x for the following equation: cdrdao read-cd / writex -- = --- CD DVD More and more commercial DVD's are coming these days with copy protection on them. When the video DVD is read as an ISO, the reader gets to a certain block in the DVD then commences to return errors. Yes, they're called Un-DVDs (alike Un-CDs) here in Germany, they're considered intentionally defective or damaged media. I am not sure how the video playing software gets around it but I suspect it sends a command to the reader. There are, at least in regards of SCSI (/dev/cd*) certain settings that the driver can be set to, how long to wait if errors occur, or what to do if errors occur (try again, search next). The only program I know of that reads these is a Windows program called DVD Fab. It's trialware, you can download it and run it for a month. It also gets around the known copy protection schemes used in BlueRay which are considerably more sophisticated. There are handy tools that you can use on FreeBSD if, for example, you're trying to read data from a defective hard disk, such as dd_rescue. It has certain levels of how to deal with problems. Something similar is the paranoia setting of cdda2wav in regards of CDs. If you can make an ISO of a video DVD with this program but it fails using dd, then your dealing with copy protection. No, with defectively distributed media. :-) For example rental DVD's of Pirates of the Carribean 3 and Clone Wars both have this. I don't know if the versions you buy have this as well, I suspect they don't since my guess is someone is getting royalties on this scheme somewhere. Well, I'm not interested in copying bought DVDs primarily, simply because they're bigger than the available capacity of a DVD+/-R. My intention is to read in normal data DVDs (that, for example, someone else created) in one rush and then duplicate the content to another DVD. After having read the replies to my initial question, I think dd will do this job, so data DVDs and video DVDs (such that have been mastered in order to be playable in a standalone DVD player device) should be able to read. For copying DVDs, there's at least vobcopy. I would love to see someone write some code to get around this for use with dd program. Why not try dd_rescue (or was it ddrescue, they both exist)? Of course, I know your NOT trying to illegally copy commercial DVDs so it's not necessary for you to reply with protests. Heh. I'm a good guy, I love movie industry, hehe. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:10:19AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:50:53 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: guys, i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a your mail was opened on u...@foo.com. i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not see how to get a similar ack from mutt as evo. is there, perhaps a sendmail.[cf|mc] way lost in the reams of pages in my sendmail book? [2 da ago i send cold-call mail to a few experts; one at least read my paragraph. i'd like to know at least that my mail arr and hopefully was glanced at!] I don't think there's a way to *force* the recipients of your messages to reply whenever they read a post. Your MUA can ask for this sort of 'email receipt', but the recipient can always ignore it. certainly. My mailers always ignore this sort of mis-feature, for instance, because I consider it a violation of my privacy. Whenever I get one of these ``call home'' emails, I can't help but think: ``Why would you want to know that I woke up in the middle of the night, fired up Emacs, read a few qmail messages, but then thought it best to keep sleeping rather than reply to your message?'' Having said that, you can configure _your_ mutt instance to send DSN replies. Look for the dsn_notify and dsn_return options in the manual of Mutt. AH, alright; i shall look, thanx. and i promise never to expect *anyone* to 1) respond instantaneously, or 2) to even respond. nonetheless, it'd be nice to know that professor life-or-death GOT my message. or maybe it was a cat-on-keyboard. ok. it's set up. now at least i know if the mail got to the other end. no delay,failure. thank you, gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
The FreeBSD Diary: 2008-11-23 - 2008-12-13
The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists and/or The FreeBSD Diary http://www.freebsddiary.org/. These are the articles posted during this period: 2-Dec : Obscuring smtp auth headers If you consider your smtp-auth location to be private, this is what you want. http://freebsddiary.org/smtp-headers-rewrite-auth.php?2 29-Nov : OpenVPN - creating a routed VPN If you have multiple VPN clients, this is a practical solution. http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-routed.php?2 27-Nov : OpenVPN - getting it running Using OpenVPN to create a secure pathway between home and office http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn.php?2 27-Nov : Creating your own Certificate Authority How to create a CA and generate your own SSL certificates http://freebsddiary.org/openvpn-easy-rsa.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:41:57AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: I don't know if it has already been mentioned, but the only kind of receive confirmation you get from your FreeBSD system itself is the success entry in /var/log/maillog which will inform you that either the POP/SMTP server facility where the recipient has his mail account successfully received the message or the information that the SmartHost mail relay has accepted the message for relaying (in case your sendmail subsystem just hands mail over to a relay). Any kind of confirmation that the recipient has read the message is up to his mail client application. eeep! maillog is usually my Last Resort. thanks for the reminder. according to sendmail, the log prints if the message was delivered. never know how much is in the recipient's queue, of course... . -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: CMS suggestion on FreeBSD (except Mambo)
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 9:26 PM, munkhbayar batkhuu bmr...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all FreeBSD list members. One of my old FreeBSD-5.4 server is installed with Mambo (4.6.2 Bug Stomp Pre-Release 2, not installed from ports) and I'm going to upgrade this Content Management System (CMS) to FreeBSD-7 and tried to install Mambo via ports. New portaudit installed system says Mambo have security issue and can't be installed. And I'm not going to use Mambo. (I know Mambo have long standing history of security issues). It seems that Joomla will be installed fine (,however). My question is, Can you suggest me on more secure open source CMS?, which CMS are you using on FreeBSD?. How about WordPress? Its code is very nice :) -- With best regards, Chinh Nguyen *** FreeBSD - The Power to Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
anybody know where words.db is?
I'm trying to build a rhyming diction on FBSD. am missing something i thought we had. my linux download is mizzing it. i also checked on my ubuntu computer. locate can't find words.db either. any ideas? still checking for this via google. thus far, nada. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.12a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
