routing for jails on public IPs, jails on private IPs between 2 servers
Hi , I have this question which need some comment/help on: == the setup == I have 2 freebsd servers with several jails running on it. Each server have several jails thats either listening on publicly accessible IP or listening on a loopback/private IP. The two servers are connected together using vpn with routing that allows ServerA to connect to private jails in ServerB and vice versa. ServerA (10.1.0.1_tun0,192.168.1.1_bge0,192.168.1.2_bge0,127.0.1.1_lo1,127.0.1.1_lo1) - JailA(192.168.1.2_bge0) - JailB(127.0.1.1_lo1) - JailC(127.0.1.1_lo1) ServerB (10.1.0.3_tun0,192.168.1.3_bge0,192.168.1.4_bge0,127.0.2.1_lo1,127.0.2.2_lo1) - JailA(192.168.1.4_bge0) - JailB(127.0.2.1_lo1) - JailC(127.0.2.2_lo1) == the issue == under the current config, ServerA can connect to all private jails in ServerB through vpn+routing and vice versa. Private jails in ServerA can connect to public jails in ServerB through NAT and vice versa. However, I cant figure out how to allow public jails in ServerA to connect to private jails in ServerB. Anybody have idea on how to implement it? Thanks -- Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail Amano Hikaru 天野晃 「あまの ひかる」 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MohdIzharFirdaus http://blog.kagesenshi.org 92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: find question
Jay Hall wrote:
I am sure this is something I am doing that is obviously wrong, but I
cannot figure it out.
I am reading a list of directories from a file, and then listing all of
the files in the directory to a file.
Here is the code.
#!/usr/local/bin/bash
cat ${FILELIST} | while read LINE
do
echo ${LINE}
`find ${LINE} -type f ${TMPFILE}`
done
Here is the output.
/usr/home/windowsaccess
find: illegal option -- t
find: illegal option -- y
find: illegal option -- p
find: illegal option -- e
find: f: No such file or directory
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Try this as:
for line in $( cat $FILELIST ) ; do
echo $line
find $line -type f $TMPFILE
done
*assuming that none of the directory names in $FILELIST contain spaces*
This will split the contents of the file based on the current setting of
$IFS (input field separator, which usually matches any whitespace). You can
do some interesting tricks by redefining IFS...
Not sure what you're trying to achieve by the backticks around your find line
-- that actually says take the output of this command and try and run it as
a command line which is probably not what you want.
Cheers,
Matthew
--
Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3
7 Priory Courtyard
PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate
Kent, CT11 9PW, UK
signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
How to find real CPU temperature?
Hi all I'm running FreeBSD 7.2 on Intel P4 computer. The lmmon -i shows 21C and when go to BIOS shows 65C! BIOS reading seems to be correct as the CPU heat pipe is very hot to the extent cannot touch. How do I read the real BIOS temperature readings when FreeBSD is running to check whether the computer is over heating? Unga ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Moused crashes with Synaptics
Hi Mel, Am Dienstag, 04. Aug 2009, 18:50:24 -0800 schrieb Mel Flynn: On Tuesday 04 August 2009 03:26:24 Bertram Scharpf wrote: Further I seem to have missed something else. I found the page http://wiki.freebsd.org/SynapticsTouchpad where are mentioned some sysctls: hw.psm.synaptics_support=1 hw.psm.synaptics.vscroll_hor_area=1300 I don't have those ctls here and I cannot find the kernel driver that provides them. That's because they're loader tunables. You set them in /boot/loader.conf. The LOADER TUNABLES section of psm(4) details it. Ah, I did not know that there are options that have to be set at boot time. Thank you! Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: cvs tag usage
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM, b. f.bf1...@googlemail.com wrote: He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE. Well, neither actually. :) s/0_2/2_0/ . But I inferred from the context -- it seemed obvious, particularly from what he wrote later -- that he meant those choices as suffixes to RELENG, which he omitted for the sake of brevity. I assumed you also made this inference. Agreed, but IMHO, it's better to be precise and not assume too much. :-) OK guys this has now reached the point where I am again confudes -- here is my original posting amended to ensure there is no ambiguity I am confused about the usage of the tag for src. I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: RELENG_7_BP RELENG_7_2_BP RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE RELENG_7_2 But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!! # uname -a 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009 r...@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 To synchronize src and keep up to date do I use: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2 will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2 and therefore keep track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later?? or do I need to use something like: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2-p2 or something else!! Where can I find some explanation on this? Maybe something from this discussion could be added to the handbook/synching.html page so the choice of suffix for configuring cvsup could be made easier for those who are not familiar with the meaning of undocumented suffixing such as -p2 !!. Another could there possibly be some consistency between the output from uname -a and the suffixing used for synching of the src be practicable. Please do not bite my head off if it is not practical -- I acknowledge it is a question born of ignorance and confusion chuckles david Thanks in advance David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: cvs tag usage
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:32 PM, b. f.bf1...@googlemail.com wrote: He has _7_2_0_RELEASE, not RELENG_7_0_2_RELEASE. Well, neither actually. :) s/0_2/2_0/ . But I inferred from the context -- it seemed obvious, particularly from what he wrote later -- that he meant those choices as suffixes to RELENG, which he omitted for the sake of brevity. I assumed you also made this inference. Glen You hit the sweet spot!! David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Network card Intel and 802.1P tag
Hi! I have two network interfaces - fxp and em When i send on both interface packet with 802.1P tag, i see this tag on fxp and don't see on em. em: 10:41:14.849139 00:18:ba:8a:c8:c1 (oui Unknown) 00:15:b7:62:de:ec (oui Unknown), ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 118: vlan 20, p 0 fxp: 10:40:56.259886 00:18:ba:8a:c8:c1 (oui Unknown) 00:02:b3:61:d5:5a (oui Unknown), ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 118: vlan 20, p 4 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE em0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection 6.9.6 port 0xbfe0-0xbfff mem 0xffae-0xffaf irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 fxp0: Intel 82550 Pro/100 Ethernet port 0xa000-0xa03f mem 0xe402-0xe4020fff,0xe400-0xe401 irq 19 at device 1.0 on pci2 miibus0: MII bus on fxp0 Any idea how I can see 802.1P tag on em? -- __ ***AOS224-RIPE*** tel/fax: +380-56-3728171 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please
I have found http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.ifo.Optimize_Options.html. I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into things I have, until now, taken for granted. The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to control optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a way that tells me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad Core) with 8G of ram. Current kernel is GENERIC but as I said I am going to build a new one. # uname-a FreeBSD dns1.vizion2000.net 7.2-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Jun 24 00:14:35 UTC 2009 r...@amd64- builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Could anyone please point me in the right direction to achieve greater understanding of what optimizations may be most appropriate for compiling a kernel for my system. The docs are very good on the how but are not very helpful when it comes to solving the what why and when questions when the who is a dummy chuckles. Thanks in advance David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: I have found http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Options.html. I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into things I have, until now, taken for granted. The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to control optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a way that tells me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad Core) with 8G of ram. The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=nocona. See make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not use COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpeDZQkhccvL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to find real CPU temperature?
Unga wrote: Hi all I'm running FreeBSD 7.2 on Intel P4 computer. The lmmon -i shows 21C and when go to BIOS shows 65C! BIOS reading seems to be correct as the CPU heat pipe is very hot to the extent cannot touch. How do I read the real BIOS temperature readings when FreeBSD is running to check whether the computer is over heating? $ sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature on my computer shows 56C -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to find real CPU temperature?
On 8/5/09, Unga unga...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm running FreeBSD 7.2 on Intel P4 computer. The lmmon -i shows 21C and when go to BIOS shows 65C! BIOS reading seems to be correct as the CPU heat pipe is very hot to the extent cannot touch. How do I read the real BIOS temperature readings when FreeBSD is running to check whether the computer is over heating? If your mainboard supports it, and depending on your CPU, you might look into sysutils/mbmon, found in the ports collection. Aside from that, what does the following command output? sysctl -a | grep temp -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to find real CPU temperature?
--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Erik Norgaard norga...@locolomo.org wrote: From: Erik Norgaard norga...@locolomo.org Subject: Re: How to find real CPU temperature? To: Unga unga...@yahoo.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 7:03 PM Unga wrote: Hi all I'm running FreeBSD 7.2 on Intel P4 computer. The lmmon -i shows 21C and when go to BIOS shows 65C! BIOS reading seems to be correct as the CPU heat pipe is very hot to the extent cannot touch. How do I read the real BIOS temperature readings when FreeBSD is running to check whether the computer is over heating? $ sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature on my computer shows 56C Here is what it show on my computer: sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 19.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: 90.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 90.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: 90.0C -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: 4 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: 3 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: 60 so which is the CPU temperature, 19.0C or 90.0C? Where does it documented what hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature means? Unga ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to find real CPU temperature?
Unga wrote: Here is what it show on my computer: sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 19.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: 90.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 90.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: 90.0C -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: 4 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: 3 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: 60 so which is the CPU temperature, 19.0C or 90.0C? Where does it documented what hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature means? From that it appears the kernel can't read the temperature sensor, this may be a problem with the ACPI not being properly supported for your processor. The 90.0C entries are different entries that take action against overheating, if the temperature reaches 90 putting your system to sleep or throtling down speed. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: I have found http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Options.html. I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into things I have, until now, taken for granted. The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to control optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a way that tells me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad Core) with 8G of ram. The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=nocona. See make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. As I read the man page for [g]cc, though, setting -march=nocona (which is where the CPUTYPE information ends up in the cc commands) tells the compiler which base instruction set to use and which model of instruction scheduling to use, but to get the rest of the model-dependent features used, he would still need to add -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 at a minimum for most other compilations, though these would not be advisable for kernel compilations. I don't recall whether SSE4 instructions are in the Nocona/ Merom/Kentfield chips or first appear in the Core i7 series. I don't think the compiler versions available under FreeBSD support the SSE4 instructions, though, so SSE4 doesn't matter anyway. Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not use COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates. Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: I have found http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Options.html. I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into things I have, until now, taken for granted. The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to control optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a way that tells me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad Core) with 8G of ram. The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=nocona. See make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. As I read the man page for [g]cc, though, setting -march=nocona (which is where the CPUTYPE information ends up in the cc commands) tells the compiler which base instruction set to use and which model of instruction scheduling to use, but to get the rest of the model-dependent features used, he would still need to add -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 at a minimum for most other compilations, though these would not be advisable for kernel compilations. I don't recall whether SSE4 instructions are in the Nocona/ Merom/Kentfield chips or first appear in the Core i7 series. I don't think the compiler versions available under FreeBSD support the SSE4 instructions, though, so SSE4 doesn't matter anyway. Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not use COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates. Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG Thanks for add more useful info however would you mind elaborating a little more because I do not understand the implications. should I have: CPUTYPE=nocona in make.conf? Do I need anything else in make.conf? So far my draft make.conf has these entries: CPUTYPE=nocona CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe FORCE_MAKE_JOBS=true Incidentally I am also puzzled because it appears necessary to use amd64 GENERIC as my starting point when the cpu is actually Intel Quad Core!! I presume this means that in drafting a kernconf I need to refer to; dns1# pwd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf dns1# ls -l total 44 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 Jun 20 2005 .cvsignore -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel482 Apr 15 04:14 DEFAULTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11968 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel818 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC.hints -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1036 Apr 15 04:14 MAC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel132 Apr 15 04:14 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20721 Apr 15 04:14 NOTES It would be great if some logical consistency could be introduced into naming conventions!!! It would really help those of us who know little and make it a trifle easier to climb the greasy pole of knowledge chuckles ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Wierd X crash
Hello all, I am fairly new to FreeBSD. I use linux a lot. Am running FreeBSD 7.2 i386 with the nvidia 173 driver with an AGP GeForce FX 5200. My X works, with xinerama and two screens, perfectly, but as soon as I hold down any key (like Backspace to remove a line of text) X crashes. This is in the log: Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting The rest of the log is fine. I have fiddled with HAL and DBUS, turning them off and on, but no luck. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
Hi every one My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for systems with Intel Quad Core processors. It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: I have found http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Options.html. I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into things I have, until now, taken for granted. The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to control optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a way that tells me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad Core) with 8G of ram. The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=nocona. See make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. As I read the man page for [g]cc, though, setting -march=nocona (which is where the CPUTYPE information ends up in the cc commands) tells the compiler which base instruction set to use and which model of instruction scheduling to use, but to get the rest of the model-dependent features used, he would still need to add -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 at a minimum for most other compilations, though these would not be advisable for kernel compilations. I don't recall whether SSE4 instructions are in the Nocona/ Merom/Kentfield chips or first appear in the Core i7 series. I don't think the compiler versions available under FreeBSD support the SSE4 instructions, though, so SSE4 doesn't matter anyway. Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not use COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates. Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG Thanks for add more useful info however would you mind elaborating a little more because I do not understand the implications. should I have: CPUTYPE=nocona in make.conf? Do I need anything else in make.conf? So far my draft make.conf has these entries: CPUTYPE=nocona CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe FORCE_MAKE_JOBS=true Incidentally I am also puzzled because it appears necessary to use amd64 GENERIC as my starting point when the cpu is actually Intel Quad Core!! I presume this means that in drafting a kernconf I need to refer to; dns1# pwd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf dns1# ls -l total 44 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 Jun 20 2005 .cvsignore -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel482 Apr 15 04:14 DEFAULTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11968 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel818 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC.hints -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1036 Apr 15 04:14 MAC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel132 Apr 15 04:14 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20721 Apr 15 04:14 NOTES It would be great if some logical consistency could be introduced into naming conventions!!! It would really help those of us who know little and make it a trifle easier to climb the greasy pole of knowledge chuckles It is logical. You use i386 on old amd processors also. The naming amd64 comes from the fact that AMD did come first with the 64 bit processor. If Intel was the first it proberly would have a name like i386_64 or something like that. Nothing to worry about. If your Intel proccessor has 64 bit support use the AMD64 version It is just a name. About the make.conf the use of nocona is ok but put a ? mark ofter CPUTYPE Do not ask me why, people told me it is better, if i understand correctly It has someting to do about the choice the compiler has while building, it could override the nocona setting if it is needed. If i recall correct CPUTYPE?=nocona I would ditch the CFLAGS, the normal setings ar the same as that line FORCE_MAKE_JOBS=true FORCE_MAKE_JOBS is also ok No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.44/2282 - Release Date: 08/04/09 18:01:00 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 02:14:49PM +0100, David Southwell wrote: Hi every one My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for systems with Intel Quad Core processors. That depends on if you installed the amd64 version of FreeBSD or the i386 version. The kernel should of course match the rest of the system. Intel's Quad Core processors (at least all the models they have released so far) supports both amd64 and i386. (i386 being 32-bit, while amd64 is 64-bit.) It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? The amd64 architecture is called that because it was AMD who invented and created it and was for a while the only one using it and since AMD named the architecture AMD64 that was the name FreeBSD used too. Later Intel also started using it (while using their own name(s) for it), but FreeBSD has stuck with the name amd64. This is no more strange than calling the i386 architecture for i386 even if it runs on a whole lot of processors other than the original Intel 80386. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 15:14:49 David Southwell wrote: Hi every one My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for systems with Intel Quad Core processors. It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? Because it's technically correct, as I understand it. Unless I've got this wrong (in which case I'm sure someone will shout), there were initially two 64-bit instruction sets, amd64 from AMD and ia64 from Intel. ia64 saw so little uptake that Intel started using the AMD instruction set, but amd64 is still the appropriate description for most 64-bit processors these daya regardless of manufacturer. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: I have found http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Options.html. I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into things I have, until now, taken for granted. The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to control optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a way that tells me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad Core) with 8G of ram. The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=nocona. See make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. As I read the man page for [g]cc, though, setting -march=nocona (which is where the CPUTYPE information ends up in the cc commands) tells the compiler which base instruction set to use and which model of instruction scheduling to use, but to get the rest of the model-dependent features used, he would still need to add -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 at a minimum for most other compilations, though these would not be advisable for kernel compilations. I don't recall whether SSE4 instructions are in the Nocona/ Merom/Kentfield chips or first appear in the Core i7 series. I don't think the compiler versions available under FreeBSD support the SSE4 instructions, though, so SSE4 doesn't matter anyway. Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not use COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates. Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG Thanks for add more useful info however would you mind elaborating a little more because I do not understand the implications. should I have: CPUTYPE=nocona in make.conf? Do I need anything else in make.conf? So far my draft make.conf has these entries: CPUTYPE=nocona CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe FORCE_MAKE_JOBS=true Incidentally I am also puzzled because it appears necessary to use amd64 GENERIC as my starting point when the cpu is actually Intel Quad Core!! I presume this means that in drafting a kernconf I need to refer to; dns1# pwd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf dns1# ls -l total 44 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 Jun 20 2005 .cvsignore -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel482 Apr 15 04:14 DEFAULTS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11968 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel818 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC.hints -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1036 Apr 15 04:14 MAC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel132 Apr 15 04:14 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20721 Apr 15 04:14 NOTES It would be great if some logical consistency could be introduced into naming conventions!!! It would really help those of us who know little and make it a trifle easier to climb the greasy pole of knowledge chuckles It is logical. You use i386 on old amd processors also. The naming amd64 comes from the fact that AMD did come first with the 64 bit processor. If Intel was the first it proberly would have a name like i386_64 or something like that. Nothing to worry about. If your Intel proccessor has 64 bit support use the AMD64 version It is just a name. About the make.conf the use of nocona is ok but put a ? mark ofter CPUTYPE Do not ask me why, people told me it is better, if i understand correctly It has someting to do about the choice the compiler has while building, it could override the nocona setting if it is needed. If i recall correct CPUTYPE?=nocona I would ditch the CFLAGS, the normal setings ar the same as that line FORCE_MAKE_JOBS=true FORCE_MAKE_JOBS is also ok Hi Johan Thanks for that - you comments are really helpful and place things in context. I would still be inclined to feel that although the naming convention can be historically justified it remains practically illogical!!! Naming conventions work well when they help people understand what they represent. To illustrate my point at one time Britain referred as the British Empire but such a title would be laughable today!! David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 07:38:20AM -0500, Scott Bennett wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:19:23 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:54:07AM +0100, David Southwell wrote: I have found http://docs.freebsd.org/info/gcc/gcc.info.Optimize_Options.html. I am about to build a new kernel am starting to dig a bit deeper into things I have, until now, taken for granted. The above link is very informative in technical terms about how to control optimization but I find it difficult to interpret the info in a way that tells me what might work best on my own system (Intel quad Core) with 8G of ram. The build system takes care of that, once you have set the correct CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf. For a quad-core, set CPUTYPE=nocona. See make.conf(5), /usr/src/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk and /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.pre.mk. As I read the man page for [g]cc, though, setting -march=nocona (which is where the CPUTYPE information ends up in the cc commands) tells the compiler which base instruction set to use and which model of instruction scheduling to use, but to get the rest of the model-dependent features used, he would still need to add -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 at a minimum for most other compilations, though these would not be advisable for kernel compilations. Both i386 and amd64 explicitly prohibit the use of FPU, SSE and other SIMD operations inside the kernel itself. These operations are exclusively reserved for user applications. See /usr/src/sys/conf/kern.mk. The makefiles for the kernel add appropriate options depending on the CPUTYPE. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpTqmfJj2L92.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
David Southwell wrote: Hi every one My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for systems with Intel Quad Core processors. It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org One would use the amd64 version of FreeBSD on 64-bit platforms (apart from the itanium platforms). the amd64 or x86-64 instuction set has been designed by amd, which called it amd64. Intel implemented amd's design in their EM64T or Intel 64 instruction set, which is compatible with amd's implementation(mostly IS amd's implementation). As such, amd64 is as valid a platform name as IA64(or Itanium) is. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 02:02:05PM +0100, David Southwell wrote: Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not use COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates. Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG Thanks for add more useful info however would you mind elaborating a little more because I do not understand the implications. should I have: CPUTYPE=nocona in make.conf? Yes. Do I need anything else in make.conf? If you are building a custom kernel, you can set the name of the kernel config there. E.g.: KERNCONF=FOO You should then put your kernel config in /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/FOO. So far my draft make.conf has these entries: CPUTYPE=nocona OK. CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe CFLAGS are used for building userland programs. COPTFLAGS are used for building the kernel. I think that the values you've listed here are already the default, so they are superfluous really. FORCE_MAKE_JOBS=true This is only for ports. Incidentally I am also puzzled because it appears necessary to use amd64 GENERIC as my starting point when the cpu is actually Intel Quad Core!! This is a FAQ. AMD originated the 64-bit extensions to the x86 architecture while intel was chasing the itanium pipedream. This extended architecture became known as x86_64 or amd64. After itanium became a dud, intel started making amd64 compatible chips as well, because the AMD chips had been hugely successfull. I presume this means that in drafting a kernconf I need to refer to; dns1# pwd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf dns1# ls -l total 44 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 Jun 20 2005 .cvsignore -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel482 Apr 15 04:14 DEFAULTS Some options were moved to a DEFAULT file that is automatically included in every kernel, so that people can't forget them. Formetting one of those can result in an unusable kernel. -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11968 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel818 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC.hints -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1036 Apr 15 04:14 MAC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel132 Apr 15 04:14 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20721 Apr 15 04:14 NOTES NOTES contains extra options that aren't in the GENERIC kernel. It would be great if some logical consistency could be introduced into naming conventions!!! It would really help those of us who know little and make it a trifle easier to climb the greasy pole of knowledge chuckles Just look at the beginning of each file. You'll find a description of that files purpose. You should base you kernel configuration on the GENERIC kernel. The first thing you need to do is change the ident line to match the filename. A kernel config FOO should include ident FOO. Then remove devices and options that you don't need. If you don't know what a device or option is, leave it in. For devices, there is usually a manual page. E.g. if you see 'device em', you can get information about it with 'man em'. Look at the dmesg(8) output to see which devices you actually have. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpoAhgnCCcmk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 02:14:49PM +0100, David Southwell wrote: Hi every one My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for systems with Intel Quad Core processors. That depends on if you installed the amd64 version of FreeBSD or the i386 version. The kernel should of course match the rest of the system. Intel's Quad Core processors (at least all the models they have released so far) supports both amd64 and i386. (i386 being 32-bit, while amd64 is 64-bit.) It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? The amd64 architecture is called that because it was AMD who invented and created it and was for a while the only one using it and since AMD named the architecture AMD64 that was the name FreeBSD used too. Later Intel also started using it (while using their own name(s) for it), but FreeBSD has stuck with the name amd64. This is no more strange than calling the i386 architecture for i386 even if it runs on a whole lot of processors other than the original Intel 80386. I would still be inclined to feel that although the naming convention can be historically justified it remains practically illogical!!! Naming conventions work well when they help people understand what they represent. To illustrate my point at one time Britain referred as the British Empire but such a title would be laughable today!! There is enough for people to get their head around in understanding what is going on without adding additional levels of confusion because noone thought of future developments!! However this is not an argument anyone is likely to get steamed up about -- however illogical it may be chuckles david ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Learning about Control of Optimization -- for dummies please
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 02:02:05PM +0100, David Southwell wrote: Additionally, compiler settings for building the kernel can be set with COPTFLAGS in /etc/make.conf. Using anything other than -O or -O2 is not guaranteed to work. If you don't know what you are doing, do not use COPTFLAGS and stick with the defaults that the build system generates. Right. -O3 might royally screw a kernel in particular. :-) Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG Thanks for add more useful info however would you mind elaborating a little more because I do not understand the implications. should I have: CPUTYPE=nocona in make.conf? Yes. Do I need anything else in make.conf? If you are building a custom kernel, you can set the name of the kernel config there. E.g.: KERNCONF=FOO You should then put your kernel config in /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/FOO. So far my draft make.conf has these entries: CPUTYPE=nocona OK. CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe CFLAGS are used for building userland programs. COPTFLAGS are used for building the kernel. I think that the values you've listed here are already the default, so they are superfluous really. FORCE_MAKE_JOBS=true This is only for ports. Incidentally I am also puzzled because it appears necessary to use amd64 GENERIC as my starting point when the cpu is actually Intel Quad Core!! This is a FAQ. AMD originated the 64-bit extensions to the x86 architecture while intel was chasing the itanium pipedream. This extended architecture became known as x86_64 or amd64. After itanium became a dud, intel started making amd64 compatible chips as well, because the AMD chips had been hugely successfull. I presume this means that in drafting a kernconf I need to refer to; dns1# pwd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf dns1# ls -l total 44 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 Jun 20 2005 .cvsignore -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel482 Apr 15 04:14 DEFAULTS Some options were moved to a DEFAULT file that is automatically included in every kernel, so that people can't forget them. Formetting one of those can result in an unusable kernel. -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11968 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel818 Apr 15 04:14 GENERIC.hints -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1036 Apr 15 04:14 MAC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel132 Apr 15 04:14 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 20721 Apr 15 04:14 NOTES NOTES contains extra options that aren't in the GENERIC kernel. It would be great if some logical consistency could be introduced into naming conventions!!! It would really help those of us who know little and make it a trifle easier to climb the greasy pole of knowledge chuckles Just look at the beginning of each file. You'll find a description of that files purpose. You should base you kernel configuration on the GENERIC kernel. The first thing you need to do is change the ident line to match the filename. A kernel config FOO should include ident FOO. Then remove devices and options that you don't need. If you don't know what a device or option is, leave it in. For devices, there is usually a manual page. E.g. if you see 'device em', you can get information about it with 'man em'. Look at the dmesg(8) output to see which devices you actually have. Roland Roland Thank you I will be digging around and try and make good use of yr advice David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions
Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:58:58 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Could somone explain to me why an upgrade from sysinstall would overwrite partitions; especially when the instructions indicate that files will not be overwritten? I'm not sure how to explain. It's possible that sysinstall recreated the slices and paritions, or at least the partitions were marked as to be formatted (Y after the file system type in the partition editor). Because I've never used the Upgrade functionality of sysinstall, I'm not even sure what it is supposed to do. Well, whatever it was it sure screwed up my system; not only FBSD but the whole machine became un bootable when some xcb or something like that could not be loaded because of some problem with a python port. And there is the crux of the matter... thre's too much sloppiness and overlapping in the way that the ports/packages and the update/upgrade methods are implemented and especially, documented. Due to diligence and a great deal of my time, I managed to save all the files that were on the system and recovered the XP disks so everything can now be re-installed and used. The only victim in the end is FreeBSD as I will never touch it again. It has been going downhill since way back; but I think I just preferred to stay with my illusions and tolerated the waste of time and effort reconfiguring, searching for answers and reinstalling, rebooting and the whole shebang under the aura of learning. So learn I did. Don't touch it; it sucks. There are other systems better than FBSD, so g'bye all. :o :-P -- Hervé Kempf: Pour sauver la planète, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
David Southwell wrote: David Southwell wrote: Hi every one My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for systems with Intel Quad Core processors. It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org One would use the amd64 version of FreeBSD on 64-bit platforms (apart from the itanium platforms). the amd64 or x86-64 instuction set has been designed by amd, which called it amd64. Intel implemented amd's design in their EM64T or Intel 64 instruction set, which is compatible with amd's implementation(mostly IS amd's implementation). As such, amd64 is as valid a platform name as IA64(or Itanium) is. That is undoubtably true -- what it also means is that both names are equally logical or illogical depending upon your point of view. My view is that both are equally illogical because they are tied to a manufacturer rather than to function. Names are best chosen to facilitate selection by single step logic that encapsulates what the name represents rather than by having an abstruse historical context that has neglible bearing upon current function. my 2 p But lets not get worked up about this chuckles david You make a good point. It would be more logical and maybe even more correct to call it x86-64. This would however imply that any x86-64 implementation is supported. This is probably the case now, though i am unsure if freeBSD amd64 works on for instance via platforms. Since x86-64 isn't exactly an ISO standard, and amd64 is(http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=43784), it's not strange to name the branch that has been developed to work on amd's implementation of x86-64 is called amd64. Besides, I am a real AMD fanboy when it comes to processors... so why would I want that? ;-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Wierd X crash
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 04:37:38 Coert Waagmeester wrote: I am fairly new to FreeBSD. I use linux a lot. Am running FreeBSD 7.2 i386 with the nvidia 173 driver with an AGP GeForce FX 5200. My X works, with xinerama and two screens, perfectly, but as soon as I hold down any key (like Backspace to remove a line of text) X crashes. Any key? Even one that does not create scrolling on the screen? like backspace in an empty file? Unless someone else has seen this, sounds really hard to debug without a coredump :/ The only long shot I got to offer is that nvidia provides TwinView which does the same as Xinerama and you might want to try that out instead. There's detailed information about it in one of the Nvidia README's. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 15:49:38 PJ wrote: Polytropon wrote: On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:58:58 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Could somone explain to me why an upgrade from sysinstall would overwrite partitions; especially when the instructions indicate that files will not be overwritten? I'm not sure how to explain. It's possible that sysinstall recreated the slices and paritions, or at least the partitions were marked as to be formatted (Y after the file system type in the partition editor). Because I've never used the Upgrade functionality of sysinstall, I'm not even sure what it is supposed to do. Well, whatever it was it sure screwed up my system You screwed up your system. Possibly that started when you tried to use freebsd-update with a non-GENERIC kernel, but you then thrashed around, apparently ignoring most of the help you were offered on this list and getting into more and more trouble, while never explaining exactly what you were doing. This is the textbook example of how not to report a problem: the whole machine became un bootable when some xcb or something like that could not be loaded because of some problem with a python port. Even so, several people put time and effort into helping you, and suggesting ways you could reach a quicker solution when you made it clear what your personal effort limit was. Due to diligence and a great deal of my time, I managed to save all the files that were on the system and recovered the XP disks so everything can now be re-installed and used. Actually, it was also a great deal of time donated by other busy people around the world. The only victim in the end is FreeBSD as I will never touch it again. It has been going downhill since way back; but I think I just preferred to stay with my illusions and tolerated the waste of time and effort reconfiguring, searching for answers and reinstalling, rebooting and the whole shebang under the aura of learning. So learn I did. Don't touch it; it sucks. There are other systems better than FBSD, so g'bye all. :o :-P ``I can't use it, therefore it's rubbish''. That's fine, no-one forced you to use FreeBSD in the first place and I doubt anyone minds that you don't want to use it any more. Personally, I do think it's a pity, because FreeBSD (in my experience, since FreeBSD 4.5) is stable, easy to use (once you have the basic Unix concepts on board), and astonishingly well-documented. It's also supported by one of the friendliest and most knowledgeable communities I know. I don't recognise FreeBSD or its user community in your description and I hope your tirade, on an extremely publically archived mailing list, doesn't put other people off trying it. Having said all that, I wish you well and I hope you find a system which suits you better than the one you have trashed. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 05:27:55 Erik Trulsson wrote: The amd64 architecture is called that because it was AMD who invented and created it and was for a while the only one using it and since AMD named the architecture AMD64 that was the name FreeBSD used too. Later Intel also started using it (while using their own name(s) for it), but FreeBSD has stuck with the name amd64. This isn't completely correct. There is actually an ia64 architecture, before Intel was ready to give up the who dictates the PC 64bit architecture battle. There's a handful of CPU's who use that instruction set, but later Intel switched to supporting AMD's instruction set and thus the PC 64 bit architecture now is amd64. It'll be fun to see people asking in a few years why Oracle processors are called sparc64... -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: find question
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Matthew Seamanm.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: Try this as: for line in $( cat $FILELIST ) ; do echo $line find $line -type f $TMPFILE done *assuming that none of the directory names in $FILELIST contain spaces* for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ //g') ; do echo $line find $line -type f $TMPFILE done This *should* fix any directories containing spaces. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to find real CPU temperature?
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 04:04:18 Erik Norgaard wrote: Unga wrote: Here is what it show on my computer: sysctl -a | grep hw.acpi.thermal hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 19.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: 90.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 90.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: 90.0C -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: 4 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: 3 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: 60 so which is the CPU temperature, 19.0C or 90.0C? Where does it documented what hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature means? From that it appears the kernel can't read the temperature sensor, this may be a problem with the ACPI not being properly supported for your processor. The 90.0C entries are different entries that take action against overheating, if the temperature reaches 90 putting your system to sleep or throtling down speed. _PSV = throttle down CPU speed _CRT = critical shutdown temperature Given that these are the same value, this indeed looks like ACPI problems. These values should be different, and can be quite a few degrees apart, so that the passive cooling actually has some time to do it's work. The acpi_thermal(4) man page details all the values. One can also use sysctl - d hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling to get a short description. If you want these values to make more sense, you should take the issue up with the acpi mailing list and be ready to do some debugging. At minimum you should provide the info outlined here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/acpi-debug.html -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: find question
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 07:00:40 Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Matthew Seamanm.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: Try this as: for line in $( cat $FILELIST ) ; do echo $line find $line -type f $TMPFILE done *assuming that none of the directory names in $FILELIST contain spaces* for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ //g') ; do echo $line find $line -type f $TMPFILE done This *should* fix any directories containing spaces. And also make find look in non-existing directories. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Opera in your repos
Hi, I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or agreement, if necessary. Thanks in advance, -- Best regards, Ilya Shpan'kov Community Outreach Manager for Russia Opera Software ASA Mobile: +47 46351421 Web-site: http://my.opera.com/IlyaShpankov/ Skype: shpankov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
Hi, Opera is indeed already in the ports (and packages) and has been since November 5th 2000 according to the Makefile in ports/www/opera. and it appears the port is maintained by one of the staff at opera MAINTAINER= freebsd-maintai...@opera.com Keep up the good work :) Vince Vince Ilya Shpan'kov wrote: Hi, I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or agreement, if necessary. Thanks in advance, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: find question
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Mel Flynnmel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 07:00:40 Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Matthew Seamanm.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: Try this as: for line in $( cat $FILELIST ) ; do echo $line find $line -type f $TMPFILE done *assuming that none of the directory names in $FILELIST contain spaces* for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ //g') ; do echo $line find $line -type f $TMPFILE done This *should* fix any directories containing spaces. And also make find look in non-existing directories. True, but any script that needs to find directories containing spaces is going to be hack-ish. for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ /SPACE/g') ; do echo $line | sed -e 's/SPACE/\ /g' find $line -type f $TMPFILE done -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
Thanks a lot, Vincent! В письме от Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:32:26 +0200, Vincent Hoffman vi...@unsane.co.uk сообщал: Hi, Opera is indeed already in the ports (and packages) and has been since November 5th 2000 according to the Makefile in ports/www/opera. and it appears the port is maintained by one of the staff at opera MAINTAINER= freebsd-maintai...@opera.com Keep up the good work :) Vince Vince Ilya Shpan'kov wrote: Hi, I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or agreement, if necessary. Thanks in advance, -- Best regards, Ilya Shpan'kov Community Outreach Manager for Russia Opera Software ASA Mobile: +47 46351421 Web-site: http://my.opera.com/IlyaShpankov/ Skype: shpankov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 07:02:18 Ilya Shpan'kov wrote: I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or agreement, if necessary. Well, we can start to agree that FreeBSD is not a distro, but a UNIX operating system. :) Opera is available in the ports system as 3rd party software made to work on FreeBSD. There are 3 opera ports, which you can view here: http://www.freshports.org/www/opera http://www.freshports.org/www/opera-devel http://www.freshports.org/www/linux-opera (through linux emulation) There are no issues I'm aware of, that's specific to the FreeBSD/Opera combination (no flash support is an issue with Adobe, not Opera and I got one bugreport in the queue, that I'm also not sure is FreeBSD specific, more built-in torrent application specific). -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Some problems with Marvell Yukon NIC
Hello freebsd-questions, Found the solution here: [1]http ://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2008-10/msg01065 .html But do not know how to apply patch :-( Please, help -- -- Best regards, Anton= ;[2]mailto:an...@sng.by Administrator Feel free to contact me via ICQ 363780596 via Skype dobryak47 via phone +375 29 3320987 References 1. 3Dhttp://uni=/ 2. 3Dmailto:an...@sng.by; ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag
Andrey O.Sokolov wrote: Any idea how I can see 802.1P tag on em? You should, I guess, with no extra steps. Perhaps the em driver has some hardware capability, which set the priority tag to zero? Is the vlan hardware processing enabled? Could you post the output of ifconfig em0? Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag
Not ALL chipsets / drivers support 802.1Q / p , maybe this is one of them? - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: arc...@alkar.net arc...@alkar.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wed Aug 05 10:48:45 2009 Subject: Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag Andrey O.Sokolov wrote: Any idea how I can see 802.1P tag on em? You should, I guess, with no extra steps. Perhaps the em driver has some hardware capability, which set the priority tag to zero? Is the vlan hardware processing enabled? Could you post the output of ifconfig em0? Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
Mmm afaIk, FreeBSd didn't make any software into distro, we just put them into our app system, called ports or port collections, which has all apps that can run on freebsd. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=operastype=all http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=operastype=all On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Ilya Shpan'kov il...@opera.com wrote: Hi, I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or agreement, if necessary. Thanks in advance, -- Best regards, Ilya Shpan'kov Community Outreach Manager for Russia Opera Software ASA Mobile: +47 46351421 Web-site: http://my.opera.com/IlyaShpankov/ Skype: shpankov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
7.2 CD won't boot
Hi guys, My 7.2 Release Disc 1 won't boot. I get the following and nothing more: CD Loader 1.2 Building the boot loader arguments Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found Relocating the loader and the BTX I'm running on a Intel SE7501BR2, single Xeon, 2GB. I have burned a second CD and swapped the CD drive, cable and RAM, all to no avail. I have a RR1520 RAID controller, but removed that as well. On-board SCSI controller and serial ports have been disabled, too. Nothing seems to make a difference. What on earth could be going on? Thanks, Brad Waite ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 7.2 CD won't boot
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:41 AM, John Nielsen. i...@us.army.org wrote: Hi guys, My 7.2 Release Disc 1 won't boot. I get the following and nothing more: CD Loader 1.2 Building the boot loader arguments Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found Relocating the loader and the BTX I'm running on a Intel SE7501BR2, single Xeon, 2GB. I have burned a second CD and swapped the CD drive, cable and RAM, all to no avail. I have a RR1520 RAID controller, but removed that as well. On-board SCSI controller and serial ports have been disabled, too. Nothing seems to make a difference. What on earth could be going on? Thanks, Brad Waite What platform are you using? eg amd64 Update BIOS, disable acpi. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 7.2 CD won't boot
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM, John Nielsen.i...@us.army.org wrote: Hi guys, My 7.2 Release Disc 1 won't boot. I get the following and nothing more: CD Loader 1.2 Building the boot loader arguments Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found Relocating the loader and the BTX I'm running on a Intel SE7501BR2, single Xeon, 2GB. I have burned a second CD and swapped the CD drive, cable and RAM, all to no avail. I have a RR1520 RAID controller, but removed that as well. On-board SCSI controller and serial ports have been disabled, too. Nothing seems to make a difference. What on earth could be going on? Can you verify if another machine boots the CD? Could be a bad download. Could be a hardware incompatibility. Also, could you try disabling ACPI at boot? -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 7.2 CD won't boot
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM, John Nielsen.i...@us.army.org wrote: Hi guys, My 7.2 Release Disc 1 won't boot. I get the following and nothing more: CD Loader 1.2 Building the boot loader arguments Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found Relocating the loader and the BTX I'm running on a Intel SE7501BR2, single Xeon, 2GB. I have burned a second CD and swapped the CD drive, cable and RAM, all to no avail. I have a RR1520 RAID controller, but removed that as well. On-board SCSI controller and serial ports have been disabled, too. Nothing seems to make a difference. What on earth could be going on? Can you verify if another machine boots the CD? Could be a bad download. Could be a hardware incompatibility. Also, could you try disabling ACPI at boot? I found the amd64 dvd download to be corrupt recently. So do check the download -- did you verify your download? David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: find question
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 07:33:42 Glen Barber wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Mel
Flynnmel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote:
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 07:00:40 Glen Barber wrote:
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Matthew
Seamanm.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote:
Try this as:
for line in $( cat $FILELIST ) ; do
echo $line
find $line -type f $TMPFILE
done
*assuming that none of the directory names in $FILELIST contain
spaces*
for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ //g') ; do
echo $line
find $line -type f $TMPFILE
done
This *should* fix any directories containing spaces.
And also make find look in non-existing directories.
True, but any script that needs to find directories containing spaces
is going to be hack-ish.
for line in $( cat $FILELIST | sed -e 's/\ /SPACE/g') ; do
echo $line | sed -e 's/SPACE/\ /g'
find $line -type f $TMPFILE
done
Not really, simply quote your arguments so that IFS is not in the picture. The
OP had the right the idea by using a pipe+while read.
% echo My Documents|while read LINE; do find ${LINE} -type f; done
My Documents/foo
--
Mel
___
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 7.2 CD won't boot
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM, John Nielsen.i...@us.army.org wrote: Hi guys, My 7.2 Release Disc 1 won't boot. I get the following and nothing more: CD Loader 1.2 Building the boot loader arguments Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found Relocating the loader and the BTX I'm running on a Intel SE7501BR2, single Xeon, 2GB. I have burned a second CD and swapped the CD drive, cable and RAM, all to no avail. I have a RR1520 RAID controller, but removed that as well. On-board SCSI controller and serial ports have been disabled, too. Nothing seems to make a difference. What on earth could be going on? Can you verify if another machine boots the CD? Could be a bad download. Could be a hardware incompatibility. Also, could you try disabling ACPI at boot? I found the amd64 dvd download to be corrupt recently. So do check the download -- did you verify your download? David John My cc to you was bounced. jn07te...@yahoo.de: host d.mx.mail.yahoo.com[68.142.202.247] said: 554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.de account (jn07te...@yahoo.de) [-5] - mta247.mail.mud.yahoo.com (in reply to end of DATA command) David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
help installing
how can help me install free bsd I get loaded free bsd it said is loaded good Can not get xwindow to load or kde help use to opensuse the best for os == J Lee Hughes K C 0 H W A 73 = Do what you can every day! Learn what you can every day! Life is good! = ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: help installing
how can help me install free bsd I get loaded free bsd it said is loaded good Can not get xwindow to load or kde help use to opensuse the best for os == J Lee Hughes K C 0 H W A 73 = Do what you can every day! Learn what you can every day! Life is good! = Welcome Do you have another machine available with access to the internet. If so use that one to go to http://www.freebsd.org follow the links to documentationhandbook you should find everything you need there. Come back here if you get stuck David M0TAU ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
There are no issues I'm aware of, that's specific to the FreeBSD/Opera combination (no flash support is an issue with Adobe, not Opera and I got one bugreport in the queue, that I'm also not sure is FreeBSD specific, more built-in torrent application specific). -- No problems here - it's my browser of choice on FreeBSD, and it hasn't given me any trouble at all. Congrats. -- http://www.therandymon.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: Has anyone tested Arora? I'm actually surprised no one has recommended Konqueror. It's not my favorite browser (I happen to love Opera) but it would seem to mostly fit the bill of fast, graphical. One trick it does that I appreciate is assigning a letter to every link. When you hold down the control key, the letters appear and you can navigate just by pressing control and a letter key. Konqueror certainly has its detractors though, so I guess it's a matter of taste. Happy hunting. -- http://www.therandymon.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag
Gary Gatten wrote: Not ALL chipsets / drivers support 802.1Q / p , maybe this is one of them? The vlan driver handles tagging itself in software. You don't need support by the hardware driver or the NIC itself. That said, Intel NICs are known to work correctly and support dot1Q tags natively in hardware. Maybe this behavior is some regression with the priority tags, which by the way are completely ignored by the vlan driver. You cannot set a priority tag or have the vlan driver process it in a special way. I guess processing priority tags is not very useful since one cannot expect a FreeBSD box to replace a switch! As I understand Andrey just runs tcpdump on the physical interface. He doesn't use the vlan driver. He should see everything that reaches the ethernet port. tagged or not. Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 09:57:30 Randall Wood wrote: On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: Has anyone tested Arora? I'm actually surprised no one has recommended Konqueror. It's not my favorite browser (I happen to love Opera) but it would seem to mostly fit the bill of fast, graphical. One trick it does that I appreciate is assigning a letter to every link. When you hold down the control key, the letters appear and you can navigate just by pressing control and a letter key. Konqueror certainly has its detractors though, so I guess it's a matter of taste. Well, the script support and rendering bugs are a bit too noticeable for my taste. Though last time I tried was KDE 4.1.x. I suppose I could give it another shot with 4.3 in the tree. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag
У Ср, 2009-08-05 у 10:54 -0500, Gary Gatten пише: Not ALL chipsets / drivers support 802.1Q / p , maybe this is one of them? I have this problem on some ethernet cards, such as: e...@pci0:14:0:0:class=0x02 card=0x109a15d9 chip=0x109a8086 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82573L Intel PRO/1000 PL Network Adaptor' class = network subclass = ethernet e...@pci0:6:0:0: class=0x02 card=0x108c15d9 chip=0x108c8086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82573E Intel Corporation 82573E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper)' class = network subclass = ethernet Andrey O.Sokolov wrote: Any idea how I can see 802.1P tag on em? You should, I guess, with no extra steps. Perhaps the em driver has some hardware capability, which set the priority tag to zero? Is the vlan hardware processing enabled? How I can enable this processing? Could you post the output of ifconfig em0? Output of ifconfig both: em0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500 options=19bRXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4 ether 00:15:b7:62:de:ec media: Ethernet 100baseTX full-duplex status: active vlan20: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500 options=3RXCSUM,TXCSUM ether 00:15:b7:62:de:ec inet media: Ethernet 100baseTX full-duplex status: active vlan: 20 parent interface: em0 == fxp0: flags=8943UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,PROMISC,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500 options=219bRXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU,VLAN_HWTAGGING,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,WOL_MAGIC ether 00:02:b3:61:d5:5a media: Ethernet 100baseTX full-duplex status: active vlan20: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500 options=3RXCSUM,TXCSUM ether 00:02:b3:61:d5:5a inet media: Ethernet 100baseTX full-duplex status: active vlan: 20 parent interface: fxp0 -- ***AOS224-RIPE*** mailto:arc...@alkar.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
foot-shot?
Hm. Last night mutt began to fail to sent mail; it exited with a 127. When I tried to rebuolt mutt, turns out that I'm missing GNU m4... . I'll paste the build snafus after my sig here on my server. Ideas how things ggot hosed? anybody? -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org === Configuring for mutt-1.4.2.3_3 /usr/local/share/aclocal/soup.m4:7: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_SOUP run info '(automake)Extending aclocal' or see http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal /usr/local/share/aclocal/oaf.m4:4: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_OAF /usr/local/share/aclocal/linc.m4:1: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LINC /usr/local/share/aclocal/libglade.m4:7: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBGLADE /usr/local/share/aclocal/libfame.m4:6: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBFAME /usr/local/share/aclocal/libart.m4:11: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBART /usr/local/share/aclocal/libIDL.m4:6: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBIDL /usr/local/share/aclocal/imlib.m4:9: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_IMLIB /usr/local/share/aclocal/imlib.m4:167: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GDK_IMLIB /usr/local/share/aclocal/gtkgl.m4:4: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GTKGL /usr/local/share/aclocal/gtk.m4:7: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GTK /usr/local/share/aclocal/glib.m4:8: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GLIB /usr/local/share/aclocal/gdk-pixbuf.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GDK_PIXBUF /usr/local/share/aclocal/gconf-1.m4:4: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GCONF /usr/local/share/aclocal/gconf-1.m4:71: warning: underquoted definition of AM_GCONF_SOURCE /usr/local/share/aclocal/audiofile.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_AUDIOFILE /usr/local/share/aclocal/aalib.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_AALIB /usr/local/share/aclocal/ORBit.m4:4: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_ORBIT autom4te-2.62: need GNU m4 1.4 or later: /usr/local/bin/gm4 aclocal-1.9: /usr/local/bin/autom4te-2.62 failed with exit status: 1 *** Error code 1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag
Andrey O.Sokolov wrote: Is the vlan hardware processing enabled? How I can enable this processing? ifconfig em0 vlanhwtag enables vlan processing in hw ifconfig em0 -vlanhwtag disables vlan processing in hw Maybe one these will work correctly without the zeroing effect. Perhaps off topic, but why are you interested in priority tags, since FreeBSD will silently ignore them? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [?? Probable Spam] Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag
У Ср, 2009-08-05 у 20:41 +0300, Nikos Vassiliadis пише: Is the vlan hardware processing enabled? How I can enable this processing? ifconfig em0 vlanhwtag enables vlan processing in hw ifconfig em0 -vlanhwtag disables vlan processing in hw Maybe one these will work correctly without the zeroing effect. I tried both variant on both NIC - fxp and em The result doesn't change ;( Perhaps off topic, but why are you interested in priority tags, since FreeBSD will silently ignore them? I developing QoS-model for big network. I have casualy found out this problem, when I analyzed the traffic with different COS-value from various devices. -- ***AOS224-RIPE*** mailto:arc...@alkar.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [?? Probable Spam] Re: Network card Intel and 802.1P tag
Andrey O.Sokolov wrote: I tried both variant on both NIC - fxp and em The result doesn't change ;( You should post to net@ and maybe the maintainer will help you. Include pciconf. Perhaps off topic, but why are you interested in priority tags, since FreeBSD will silently ignore them? I developing QoS-model for big network. I have casualy found out this problem, when I analyzed the traffic with different COS-value from various devices. Yes, but at the end of the day FreeBSD will ignore the priority tag. It would be just cosmetic. But, I agree that you should see the correct priority tag. Nikos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wierd X crash
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 06:36 -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 04:37:38 Coert Waagmeester wrote: I am fairly new to FreeBSD. I use linux a lot. Am running FreeBSD 7.2 i386 with the nvidia 173 driver with an AGP GeForce FX 5200. My X works, with xinerama and two screens, perfectly, but as soon as I hold down any key (like Backspace to remove a line of text) X crashes. Any key? Even one that does not create scrolling on the screen? like backspace in an empty file? Unless someone else has seen this, sounds really hard to debug without a coredump :/ The only long shot I got to offer is that nvidia provides TwinView which does the same as Xinerama and you might want to try that out instead. There's detailed information about it in one of the Nvidia README's. Twinview did indeed completely solve the problem! What are the (dis)advantages of TwinView and Xinerama? Thanks! Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions
Jonathan, I'd like to thank you for your polite words. I'm not sure I could have been able to express in the same way. Allow me a few comments: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:51:53 +0200, Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 15:49:38 PJ wrote: Well, whatever it was it sure screwed up my system You screwed up your system. Possibly that started when you tried to use freebsd-update with a non-GENERIC kernel, but you then thrashed around, apparently ignoring most of the help you were offered on this list and getting into more and more trouble, while never explaining exactly what you were doing. For any operating system is true: As long as you can't master it because you don't exactly know how to do things, it's always a little bit dangerous. ``I can't use it, therefore it's rubbish''. That's fine, no-one forced you to use FreeBSD in the first place and I doubt anyone minds that you don't want to use it any more. I had a similar problem last year: My home directory is still gone and FreeBSD doesn't seem to be able to restore it. But I haven't found (a) a system that brings back my precious data and (b) can offer the same functionality and easyness of use FreeBSD does. This is, of course, a very individual problem. As you know from this list, most problems are of a less important nature. But failing to read the documentation - you can always ask if you don't understand what something might mean - has never been a problem. If you stick to the official handbook, no serious problems should occur. Personally, I do think it's a pity, because FreeBSD (in my experience, since FreeBSD 4.5) is stable, easy to use (once you have the basic Unix concepts on board), and astonishingly well-documented. It's also supported by one of the friendliest and most knowledgeable communities I know. In relations to most Linusi and MICROS~1 stuff in general, FreeBSD is the MOST EXCELLENT documented OS I've ever used - and I have used many OSes during my career. The FAQ, the handbook and especially the manpages are great. Of course, that's my point of view as a developer. For a normal user, this might look a bit different, but finally, there's this very helpful and friendly list. Having said all that, I wish you well and I hope you find a system which suits you better than the one you have trashed. I honestly second that. If FreeBSD isn't your cup of tea, try something else. I'm sure you'll find some OS that fits your needs better. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
net-mgmt/flowd - broken ?
Hi I'm trying to build flowd with perl make WITH_PERL=YES But it returns that it is broken ? flowd-0.9.1_1 is marked as broken: Incomplete pkg-plist. Without perl it installs fine. The problem is that I need the perl part to get some of the other tools to work :S Anything I can do to get this not broken ... -- Med Venlig Hilsen Kalle R. Møller ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wierd X crash
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:17:19 Coert Waagmeester wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 06:36 -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 04:37:38 Coert Waagmeester wrote: I am fairly new to FreeBSD. I use linux a lot. Am running FreeBSD 7.2 i386 with the nvidia 173 driver with an AGP GeForce FX 5200. My X works, with xinerama and two screens, perfectly, but as soon as I hold down any key (like Backspace to remove a line of text) X crashes. Any key? Even one that does not create scrolling on the screen? like backspace in an empty file? Unless someone else has seen this, sounds really hard to debug without a coredump :/ The only long shot I got to offer is that nvidia provides TwinView which does the same as Xinerama and you might want to try that out instead. There's detailed information about it in one of the Nvidia README's. Twinview did indeed completely solve the problem! What are the (dis)advantages of TwinView and Xinerama? TwinView is preferred on nvidia cards. I don't know the exact history, but I think XFree and nvidia were working on multi-monitor/vidcard support around the same time and nvidia came up with TwinView, while XFree provided Xinerama. Apparently, nvidia didn't like the Xinerama API and stuck with it's own, while incorporating some compatibility functions to make things work better, but I always found TwinView to work as advertized and Xinerama being buggy. Of course, my experience is no measurement for past and future results ;) -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: cvs tag usage
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:00:09 +0100, David Southwell da...@vizion2000.net wrote: I took a look at the web pages and found the following choices: RELENG_7_BP RELENG_7_2_BP RELENG_7_2_0_RELEASE RELENG_7_2 But could not find anything that told me where -p2 fits into this!! The -p2 is appended when you follow RELENG_7_2, which is the security branch (release branch) of FreeBSD 7.2. You will get ONLY the patches. For example, when the second patch is applied and you download, compile and install the OS, uname will give 7.2-RELEASE-p2. If you follow RELENG_7, you get the stable branch. Here, more than just the patches are delivered to you when updating the sources. So you won't get -p2, but something like 7.0-STABLE together with your compile date. As far as I know, /etc/motd will be updated and then show 7.2-STABLE-20090101 (the proper date of course). The -STABLE branch is a bit experimental, allthough it includes those things that are considered to be running well. If you are interested in the bleeding edge of FreeBSD's development, you follow RELENG_7. This will then deliver the -CURRENT branch to you with all modifications. It may happen that a -CURRENT of today doesn't compile, but tomorrow, it will do. It's considered to be the experimental branch where changes can appear and disappear. To synchronize src and keep up to date do I use: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2 will this automatically track the latest version in 7_2 and therefore keep track with 7.2-RELEASE-p2 or later?? Exactly. You follow the -STABLE branch of FreeBSD 7.2 and will always get the latest *stable* 7.2 sources, but won't reach 7.3 with this setting. or do I need to use something like: *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_7_2-p2 No. As far as I know, you can't update to a specific patchlevel in this way. But using CVS correctly - don't ask me how to do this :-) - you can update your system to any point of time in development. or something else!! Or else. :-) Where can I find some explanation on this? The handbook mentions it in its comparison between RELEASE and STABLE. Maybe something from this discussion could be added to the handbook/synching.html page so the choice of suffix for configuring cvsup could be made easier for those who are not familiar with the meaning of undocumented suffixing such as -p2 !!. Good idea. Another could there possibly be some consistency between the output from uname -a and the suffixing used for synching of the src be practicable. The problem is that there are different naming conventions. Please do not bite my head off if it is not practical -- I acknowledge it is a question born of ignorance and confusion chuckles I already had horsehead goulash with sauerkraut, thanks. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: net-mgmt/flowd - broken ?
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:35:02 Kalle Møller wrote: make WITH_PERL=YES But it returns that it is broken ? flowd-0.9.1_1 is marked as broken: Incomplete pkg-plist. Without perl it installs fine. The problem is that I need the perl part to get some of the other tools to work :S Anything I can do to get this not broken ... You could fix the plist and ping the maintainer (added to CC). -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
new machine trying to install /usr/ports
hi there, I am trying to get some basic ports tools installed on a new machine. I downloaded the entire ports.tar.gz and then placed all those contents in /usr/ports What are the best next steps to follow to get things up an running? I was hoping to install portsnap but here the error I am receiving. What is wrong? su-3.2# pkg_add -r portsnap Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-6-stable/Latest/portsnap.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) pkg_add: unable to fetch 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-6-stable/Latest/portsnap.tbz' by URL Cheers, Noah ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: new machine trying to install /usr/ports
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Adminad...@enabled.com wrote: hi there, I am trying to get some basic ports tools installed on a new machine. I downloaded the entire ports.tar.gz and then placed all those contents in /usr/ports What are the best next steps to follow to get things up an running? I was hoping to install portsnap but here the error I am receiving. What is wrong? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/portsnap.html su-3.2# pkg_add -r portsnap Error: FTP Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-6-stable/Latest/portsnap.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) pkg_add: unable to fetch 'ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-6-stable/Latest/portsnap.tbz' by URL Cheers, Noah ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions
Polytropon wrote: [snip] Personally, I do think it's a pity, because FreeBSD (in my experience, since FreeBSD 4.5) is stable, easy to use (once you have the basic Unix concepts on board), and astonishingly well-documented. It's also supported by one of the friendliest and most knowledgeable communities I know. In relations to most Linusi and MICROS~1 stuff in general, FreeBSD is the MOST EXCELLENT documented OS I've ever used - and I have used many OSes during my career. The FAQ, the handbook and especially the manpages are great. Of course, that's my point of view as a developer. For a normal user, this might look a bit different, but finally, there's this very helpful and friendly list. Many people's only familiarity with computers in general will be from a Windows centric perspective. Somehow there is a tendency to believe that inserting a CD, booting, and then proceeding to click OK in a dialog box a few dozen times makes them some kind of expert when they successfully get Windows installed. Coming from a Windows centric environment myself I initially found that there was a great deal of material to be learned, and RTFM was the way to do it. I've noticed people who come from university computer science programs have a much better foundation upon which to build. Most computer users do not fit this category, myself included. While this deficiency can be overcome with self study, I am also aware that not everyone who reads documentation necessarily understands the material. If too much background education is missing the documentation just resembles gobbeldy-gook and is ignored, with the fall back position of click OK a few dozen times and the OS will take care of it for me expected to pick up the slack. I would not be where I am today in my understanding and use of FreeBSD if not for the excellent documentation and surrounding community. I feel I owe my success in utilizing FreeBSD to the people who took the time to write this stuff down for people like me to use. It is with a great measure of gratitude to these people I owe my success. [snip] -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
eclipse install
Hello all, What is the best way to install eclipse on FreeBSD 7.2? On Linux I installed java, and downloaded the newest eclipse. Regards, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Writing to a uhid device?
I picked up a Velleman K8055 digital I/O controller that connects to a PC via a USB port. FreeBSD picks up this device as a uhid, and I can see the following elements: bmcgover-pc# usbhidctl -f /dev/uhid2 -r Report descriptor: Collection page=Microsoft usage=0x0001 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0001, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0002, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0003, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0004, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0005, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0006, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0007, logical range 0..255 Input size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0008, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0001, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0002, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0003, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0004, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0005, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0006, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0007, logical range 0..255 Output size=8 count=1 page=Microsoft usage=0x0008, logical range 0..255 End collection Total input size 8 bytes Total output size 0 bytes Total feature size 0 bytes Reading from the device 8 bytes at a time does whats expected - I can see the digital and analog inputs, the counters, etc, and all is fine. However, I notice on the above output that the total output size is 0, and writing 8 bytes of information to the device seems to do nothing for the outputs. I'm guessing at this point that its an issue somewhere with the driver, but a quick look at uhid_do_write() looks like its doing something, although the behavior changes around sc-sc_oid and sc-sc_osize (possible issue with the 'total output size' being 0, above?). Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas, or better yet, experience with such devices, before I spend a couple of days of banging my head against the wall trying to figure out whats happening under the hood? Is there a special/magic process? Or should I just be able to write the 8 bytes, 1 for each output, as I read the input? -B ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
sshd and dhcp bind to specific address
hi, my pc gets ip address from dhcp server, but on my pc, there is running sshd. I want to make ssh to listen to only one ip address, but if ip changes due to dhcp, ssh server do not work properly. I know, that dhcp is able to assign ip address to client from some range e.g. 192.168.0.1-254 It is possible to do the same with ssh in case that it is not possible to do it only with one ip? I want a solution which would work every time, not only some specific one. thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wierd X crash
* Coert Waagmeester lgro...@waagmeester.co.za [2009-08-05 14:37 +0200]: ... Am running FreeBSD 7.2 i386 with the nvidia 173 driver with an AGP GeForce FX 5200. My X works, with xinerama and two screens, perfectly, but as soon as I hold down any key (like Backspace to remove a line of text) X crashes. ... Any tips would be greatly appreciated. - Take a look at this PR http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/133946 I might be what you are seeing? -- I have no signature! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sshd and dhcp bind to specific address
Stefan Miklosovic wrote: hi, my pc gets ip address from dhcp server, but on my pc, there is running sshd. I want to make ssh to listen to only one ip address, but if ip changes due to dhcp, ssh server do not work properly. I know, that dhcp is able to assign ip address to client from some range e.g. 192.168.0.1-254 It is possible to do the same with ssh in case that it is not possible to do it only with one ip? I want a solution which would work every time, not only some specific one. I don't know if this will solve your problem, you can set ListenAddress in sshd_config, by default this is 0.0.0.0 or any. You can have multiple ListenAddress entries. I do not know if you can specify an ip-range, that would solve the problem I guess. It doesn't seem like you can configure sshd to bind to a particular interface, whichever address it may have, that would be the best solution. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sshd and dhcp bind to specific address
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Stefan Miklosovicmiklosovic.free...@gmail.com wrote: hi, my pc gets ip address from dhcp server, but on my pc, there is running sshd. I want to make ssh to listen to only one ip address, but if ip changes due to dhcp, ssh server do not work properly. I know, that dhcp is able to assign ip address to client from some range e.g. 192.168.0.1-254 It is possible to do the same with ssh in case that it is not possible to do it only with one ip? Is this a local network, inside 192.168.0.0/24 ? Are you able to configure a static IP for this machine? If not, I wrote a little script that runs every 15 minutes via cron(8) which gets my IP address, performs a diff(1) against a static file containing the current IP. If the IP is different, it mails me the new IP. However, this assumes t hat outside access is the problem, not internal access. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Problems with FreeBSD installation
Hi, I've been trying to install FreeBSD in my laptop, but without success. I started with 7.2, but during installation i got the error: No disk found! Please verify that your disk controller... Looking at the logs, everything seems fine to me (although its my first time on the FreeBSD world). I get lines such as: atapci0: ATI IXP600 SATA300 controller [...] atapci0: [ITHREAD] atapci0: AHCI Version 01.10 controller with 4 ports detected ata2: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 ata3: [ITHREAD] ata4: ATA channel 2 on atapci0 ata4: [ITHREAD] ata5: ATA channel 3 on atapci0 ata5: [ITHREAD] [...] atapci1: ATI IPX600 UDMA 133 controller [...] ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci1 ata0: [ITHREAD] [...] (Note that i wrote these logs manually -- got some photos that I can upload to some URL if needed.) So, could not find any issues in the logs, apart from some ACPI errors: acpi0_check: nexus0 attached acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present ... in fact, I have some other ACPI-related errors at the beginning of the logs, but these are common also on Linux -- I believe these are due to a buggy BIOS, which unfortunately I am not able to upgrade since I have not windows installed (I have a Toshiba Satellite A210). Anyway, I decided to try a more recent version of FreeBSD and downloaded 8.0-CURRENT-200906-amd64-disc1.iso which was the most recent snapshot for my Turion64 processor. Tried to boot it but this time the installation just freeze before the install application event starts. Last log lines are: acpi0: Could not initialise SystemIO handler: AE_NOT_EXIST device_attach: acpi0 attach returned 6 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec md0: Preload image /boot/mfsroot 4194304 bytes at 0x80fd8660 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/md0 warning: no time-of-day clock registered, system time will not be set accurately And at this point... nothing else -- system freezes. Please let me know if anyone has any suggestions for me to have a FreeBSD installation on my laptop. I am, of course, available to provide any additional information you might need to debug the issue. Thanks! -- Miguel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: eclipse install
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:00:08 +0200, Coert Waagmeester lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: Hello all, What is the best way to install eclipse on FreeBSD 7.2? On Linux I installed java, and downloaded the newest eclipse. On FreeBSD, you don't need to download things manually via a web browser in this old fashioned way. :-) Have a look at FreeBSD's ports collection. You'll find java/eclipse as well as many additions to this IDE. You can of course use the pkg_add -r command to install them, or your favourite port management program (portmaster, portinstall etc.), or use the plain method of make install. There are different versions of Java availabe on FreeBSD. You can choose between Sun's JDK and the Diablo JDK, and there are some others. Sadly, I can't provide much more information because I have up using Java and Eclipse many years ago. :-( -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Miguelluis.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've been trying to install FreeBSD in my laptop, but without success. I started with 7.2, but during installation i got the error: No disk found! Please verify that your disk controller... Looking at the logs, everything seems fine to me (although its my first time on the FreeBSD world). I get lines such as: atapci0: ATI IXP600 SATA300 controller [...] atapci0: [ITHREAD] atapci0: AHCI Version 01.10 controller with 4 ports detected ata2: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 ata3: [ITHREAD] ata4: ATA channel 2 on atapci0 ata4: [ITHREAD] ata5: ATA channel 3 on atapci0 ata5: [ITHREAD] [...] atapci1: ATI IPX600 UDMA 133 controller [...] ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci1 ata0: [ITHREAD] [...] (Note that i wrote these logs manually -- got some photos that I can upload to some URL if needed.) So, could not find any issues in the logs, apart from some ACPI errors: acpi0_check: nexus0 attached acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present ... in fact, I have some other ACPI-related errors at the beginning of the logs, but these are common also on Linux -- I believe these are due to a buggy BIOS, which unfortunately I am not able to upgrade since I have not windows installed (I have a Toshiba Satellite A210). [snip] acpi0: Could not initialise SystemIO handler: AE_NOT_EXIST device_attach: acpi0 attach returned 6 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec md0: Preload image /boot/mfsroot 4194304 bytes at 0x80fd8660 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/md0 warning: no time-of-day clock registered, system time will not be set accurately And at this point... nothing else -- system freezes. Please let me know if anyone has any suggestions for me to have a FreeBSD installation on my laptop. I am, of course, available to provide any additional information you might need to debug the issue. Can you try booting with ACPI disabled? It should be option 2 from the loader menu. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
Hi Glen, On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Glen Barberglen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Miguelluis.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've been trying to install FreeBSD in my laptop, but without success. I started with 7.2, but during installation i got the error: No disk found! Please verify that your disk controller... Looking at the logs, everything seems fine to me (although its my first time on the FreeBSD world). I get lines such as: atapci0: ATI IXP600 SATA300 controller [...] atapci0: [ITHREAD] atapci0: AHCI Version 01.10 controller with 4 ports detected ata2: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 ata3: [ITHREAD] ata4: ATA channel 2 on atapci0 ata4: [ITHREAD] ata5: ATA channel 3 on atapci0 ata5: [ITHREAD] [...] atapci1: ATI IPX600 UDMA 133 controller [...] ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci1 ata0: [ITHREAD] [...] (Note that i wrote these logs manually -- got some photos that I can upload to some URL if needed.) So, could not find any issues in the logs, apart from some ACPI errors: acpi0_check: nexus0 attached acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present ... in fact, I have some other ACPI-related errors at the beginning of the logs, but these are common also on Linux -- I believe these are due to a buggy BIOS, which unfortunately I am not able to upgrade since I have not windows installed (I have a Toshiba Satellite A210). [snip] acpi0: Could not initialise SystemIO handler: AE_NOT_EXIST device_attach: acpi0 attach returned 6 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec md0: Preload image /boot/mfsroot 4194304 bytes at 0x80fd8660 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/md0 warning: no time-of-day clock registered, system time will not be set accurately And at this point... nothing else -- system freezes. Please let me know if anyone has any suggestions for me to have a FreeBSD installation on my laptop. I am, of course, available to provide any additional information you might need to debug the issue. Can you try booting with ACPI disabled? It should be option 2 from the loader menu. Yes, I tried that already with same results. Regards, Miguel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Miguelluis.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Glen, Can you try booting with ACPI disabled? It should be option 2 from the loader menu. Yes, I tried that already with same results. Can you try the installation media on another machine (to rule out a bad CD or bad burn)? Also, is it possible to upgrade the BIOS on the problem machine? -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Glen Barberglen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Miguelluis.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Glen, Can you try booting with ACPI disabled? It should be option 2 from the loader menu. Yes, I tried that already with same results. Can you try the installation media on another machine (to rule out a bad CD or bad burn)? The CD image seems to be fine (both of them): I have installed them on a Linux kvm virtual machine and there were no problems -- both are able to do the complete installation and I am able to boot the resulting image. (Sorry, no other physical machines available at the moment.) Also, is it possible to upgrade the BIOS on the problem machine? I would love to upgrade my BIOS but I am unable to do that -- I have not Windows installed and my vendor requires Windows to be installed in order to perform the upgrade (yes, I know! I will never buy another laptop from them!) I have not tried 8.0-BETA (as someone on the IRC channel suggested) but not sure if it will make any difference. As far as I understand, the snapshot I tried is more recent than 8.0-BETA2. Or am I wrong? Is it worth downloading one more ISO just to try it? Regards, Miguel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: eclipse install
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 23:33 +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:00:08 +0200, Coert Waagmeester lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: Hello all, What is the best way to install eclipse on FreeBSD 7.2? On Linux I installed java, and downloaded the newest eclipse. On FreeBSD, you don't need to download things manually via a web browser in this old fashioned way. :-) Have a look at FreeBSD's ports collection. You'll find java/eclipse as well as many additions to this IDE. You can of course use the pkg_add -r command to install them, or your favourite port management program (portmaster, portinstall etc.), or use the plain method of make install. There are different versions of Java availabe on FreeBSD. You can choose between Sun's JDK and the Diablo JDK, and there are some others. Sadly, I can't provide much more information because I have up using Java and Eclipse many years ago. :-( I tried it via the ports, but this error keeps popping up: Missing pkg-descr for patch-2.5.9. And I do not know if it is important enough, but I want to use Eclipse 3.5 At the moment I am installing ports/java/jdk16 And then I'll try to use the download of eclipse 3.5 Thank you so far, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Miguelluis.hen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Glen Barberglen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Miguelluis.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Glen, Can you try booting with ACPI disabled? It should be option 2 from the loader menu. Yes, I tried that already with same results. Can you try the installation media on another machine (to rule out a bad CD or bad burn)? The CD image seems to be fine (both of them): I have installed them on a Linux kvm virtual machine and there were no problems -- both are able to do the complete installation and I am able to boot the resulting image. (Sorry, no other physical machines available at the moment.) That's fine. At least you know the media / image are working. Also, is it possible to upgrade the BIOS on the problem machine? I would love to upgrade my BIOS but I am unable to do that -- I have not Windows installed and my vendor requires Windows to be installed in order to perform the upgrade (yes, I know! I will never buy another laptop from them!) No comment. :-) I have not tried 8.0-BETA (as someone on the IRC channel suggested) but not sure if it will make any difference. As far as I understand, the snapshot I tried is more recent than 8.0-BETA2. Or am I wrong? Is it worth downloading one more ISO just to try it? The -BETA, -BETA1, -BETA2 images are run the same way -RELEASE images are -- once the image is released, there are no further updates to it. That is why when you download a -RELEASE, any patches that may have been released afterwards are not reflected in the install image. For what it's worth, I tried the -BETA2 image on my laptop, and the ndis driver was causing panics. I used 7.2-RELEASE to install the OS, and rebuilt world/kernel from my build machine using NFS, and the panics went away. After rereading your original question, you were using a -CURRENT snapshot to install -- -BETA2 was released a few weeks ago. It may have the problem fixed, yes, but it is not guaranteed. To answer your question, is it worth downloading...: that depends. If you're willing to waste another CD if it fails, is up to you, but your problem may be fixed in -BETA2. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Glen Barberglen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: I have not tried 8.0-BETA (as someone on the IRC channel suggested) but not sure if it will make any difference. As far as I understand, the snapshot I tried is more recent than 8.0-BETA2. Or am I wrong? Is it worth downloading one more ISO just to try it? The -BETA, -BETA1, -BETA2 images are run the same way -RELEASE images are -- once the image is released, there are no further updates to it. That is why when you download a -RELEASE, any patches that may have been released afterwards are not reflected in the install image. For what it's worth, I tried the -BETA2 image on my laptop, and the ndis driver was causing panics. I used 7.2-RELEASE to install the OS, and rebuilt world/kernel from my build machine using NFS, and the panics went away. After rereading your original question, you were using a -CURRENT snapshot to install -- -BETA2 was released a few weeks ago. It may have the problem fixed, yes, but it is not guaranteed. To answer your question, is it worth downloading...: that depends. If you're willing to waste another CD if it fails, is up to you, but your problem may be fixed in -BETA2. Yes, I understand -- just realised that BETA2 is more recent than the snapshot I tried. Most probably, I'll just wait until 8.0 is actually released. My problem with trying BETA2 is that it will take long time to get it (slow connection here) and most probably my problem will remain. Isn't there a way (an easy way, I mean!) to get a custom kernel from freebsd.org that I could replace in my ISO? Regards, Miguel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: eclipse install
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:53:22 +0200, Coert Waagmeester lgro...@waagmeester.co.za wrote: I tried it via the ports, but this error keeps popping up: Missing pkg-descr for patch-2.5.9. Seems to be a dependency. As far as I investigated the port's Makefile, gpatch should be fine, too. Instead of building the (g)patch utility, you could surely use pkg_add -r (g)patch to install it. I tried make in devel/patch and it seems to run well. Maybe you try to install (even build) patch prior to a new make attempt for eclipse. And I do not know if it is important enough, but I want to use Eclipse 3.5 As far as I checked, pkg_add will provide 3.4.? only at the moment. And then I'll try to use the download of eclipse 3.5 If it runs on FreeBSD, there should be no problem. If it's a Linux binary, enable the Linux ABI which should make it run, too. Thank you so far, Coert Good luck! -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: eclipse install
I wish there was a FreeBSD package of the newest version of Eclipse CDT (or at least ganymede version). I do my research in Eclipse-CDT Galileo on multiple Linux systems, and it would be nice to be able to mess with things occasionally on my FreeBSD box. Although I can't recall specifics, I know things (e.g., project settings, makefile management) are done differently on the newer versions than on the version in the ports. If I'm wrong and/or I'm missing something, please, someone tell me. I'd LOVE to be wrong here :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sshd and dhcp bind to specific address
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:11:08 Stefan Miklosovic wrote: my pc gets ip address from dhcp server, but on my pc, there is running sshd. I want to make ssh to listen to only one ip address, but if ip changes due to dhcp, ssh server do not work properly. I know, that dhcp is able to assign ip address to client from some range e.g. 192.168.0.1-254 It is possible to do the same with ssh in case that it is not possible to do it only with one ip? I want a solution which would work every time, not only some specific one. Create a script called /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks. Check the dhclient-script manpage for some info on the available variables. From there you can work out if $new_ip_address is different from $old_ip_address, rewrite /etc/sshd_config with the new ip address and restart sshd. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sshd and dhcp bind to specific address
Glen Barber wrote: my pc gets ip address from dhcp server, but on my pc, there is running sshd. I want to make ssh to listen to only one ip address, but if ip changes due to dhcp, ssh server do not work properly. I know, that dhcp is able to assign ip address to client from some range e.g. 192.168.0.1-254 It is possible to do the same with ssh in case that it is not possible to do it only with one ip? Is this a local network, inside 192.168.0.0/24 ? Are you able to configure a static IP for this machine? If not, I wrote a little script that runs every 15 minutes via cron(8) which gets my IP address, performs a diff(1) against a static file containing the current IP. If the IP is different, it mails me the new IP. However, this assumes that outside access is the problem, not internal access. I have a set of scripts I run when I know I have been handed a different address; they're not pretty, but they change the IP for sshd.conf and various stuff in bind. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Miguelluis.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I understand -- just realised that BETA2 is more recent than the snapshot I tried. Most probably, I'll just wait until 8.0 is actually released. My problem with trying BETA2 is that it will take long time to get it (slow connection here) and most probably my problem will remain. Possible that it will remain - more probable that it has been fixed though. Isn't there a way (an easy way, I mean!) to get a custom kernel from freebsd.org that I could replace in my ISO? Not that I am aware of. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: eclipse install
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:53:22 Coert Waagmeester wrote: I tried it via the ports, but this error keeps popping up: Missing pkg-descr for patch-2.5.9. I believe you have a defective ports tree. You should have the following file: SHA256 (/usr/ports/devel/patch/pkg-descr) = 629097523839c5e305a4115c1b3629029b734166e5ff8f73923812e0149e9912 If you do not, then try updating your ports tree and look for errors/warnings with whatever method you're using. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Glen Barberglen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Miguelluis.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I understand -- just realised that BETA2 is more recent than the snapshot I tried. Most probably, I'll just wait until 8.0 is actually released. My problem with trying BETA2 is that it will take long time to get it (slow connection here) and most probably my problem will remain. Possible that it will remain - more probable that it has been fixed though. Hmm... Ok, I will try it then. Not sure if I am able to do this today, but I try it. Isn't there a way (an easy way, I mean!) to get a custom kernel from freebsd.org that I could replace in my ISO? Not that I am aware of. Right, I could not find it too. Regards, Miguel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
qt4 issue
Hi, just update ports today and found out qt4 splitting into more ports. I am not sure why I install qt4 in the first place, and I don't run KDE. Can someone remind me of possible use of qt4 in a system? And, the only necessary qt I need is qt-copy, which is deported, I guess. How can I fix this?? thx TFC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Moxa 8-port serial multiplexor, how-to
On 7/29/09, Doug Poland d...@polands.org wrote: On Wed, July 29, 2009 12:04, WATANABE Kazuhiro wrote: At Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:32:52 -0500, Doug Poland wrote: Hello, I'm trying to get a Moxa Technologies C168H/PCI 8-port mux card working in 7.2-RELEASE(i386). I've recompiled a GENERIC kernel with options COM_MULTIPORT and loaded the puc(4) module. I don't have any new ttyd? or cuad? devices in /dev. After reading the handbook(26.2) and man puc(4), sio(4). man sio(4) talks about adding /boot/device.hints but not for my particular hardware. I'm at a loss on how to continue. Suggestions, pointers, URLs welcome. Hi. If you want to load the puc(4) driver as a loadable module, you should load the sio(4) or uart(4) driver module as well. But these drivers are included in the GENERIC kernel. So you should to remove sio(4) or uart(4) from the kernel and load it as a loadable module. The other solution is to builtin the puc(4) driver to the kernel. i.e.: sio(4) puc(4) status or uart(4) module module work builtin builtin work builtin module not work - current choice? module builtin not work (module = loadable module, builtin = kernel builtin) Other modifications will not be needed for PCI multiport cards. I removed devices sio and uart from my kernel, loaded them as modules in /boot/loader.conf, and now I have 8 additional cuad? devices! Many thanks for your help. -- Regards, Doug Trying to help a buddy who also has a Moxa multiport serial card. He followed this thread and isn't seeing the same success Doug, can I get the following in a pastebin or in this thread? pciconf -lvvv thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Glen Barberglen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Miguelluis.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I understand -- just realised that BETA2 is more recent than the snapshot I tried. Most probably, I'll just wait until 8.0 is actually released. My problem with trying BETA2 is that it will take long time to get it (slow connection here) and most probably my problem will remain. Possible that it will remain - more probable that it has been fixed though. Ok, some updates: I downloaded 8.0-BETA2 ISO and the result was exactly the same, i.e., system freezes during CD boot in the same point as before. This time I did not actually tried to install the CD on a virtual machine, but I can not believe it is a problem with the CD image ;-) This time I disabled _everything_ I could disable in my BIOS and selected several options from the boot manager: the default option, the option with ACPI disabled, the option safe-mode (or something like that...) and finally the verbose option, which gave me some more information. Here's the last messages I see in the console before freeze: start_init: trying /sbin/init start_init: trying /sbin/oinit start_init: trying /sbin/init.bak start_init: trying /rescue/init start_init: trying /stand/sysinstall And that's all. Any ideas? :-( Regards, Miguel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Moxa 8-port serial multiplexor, how-to
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 05:54:30PM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: On 7/29/09, Doug Poland d...@polands.org wrote: On Wed, July 29, 2009 12:04, WATANABE Kazuhiro wrote: At Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:32:52 -0500, Doug Poland wrote: Hello, I'm trying to get a Moxa Technologies C168H/PCI 8-port mux card working in 7.2-RELEASE(i386). I've recompiled a GENERIC kernel with options COM_MULTIPORT and loaded the puc(4) module. I don't have any new ttyd? or cuad? devices in /dev. After reading the handbook(26.2) and man puc(4), sio(4). man sio(4) talks about adding /boot/device.hints but not for my particular hardware. I'm at a loss on how to continue. Suggestions, pointers, URLs welcome. Hi. If you want to load the puc(4) driver as a loadable module, you should load the sio(4) or uart(4) driver module as well. But these drivers are included in the GENERIC kernel. So you should to remove sio(4) or uart(4) from the kernel and load it as a loadable module. The other solution is to builtin the puc(4) driver to the kernel. i.e.: sio(4) puc(4) status or uart(4) module module work builtin builtin work builtin module not work - current choice? module builtin not work (module = loadable module, builtin = kernel builtin) Other modifications will not be needed for PCI multiport cards. Watanabe, I removed devices sio and uart from my kernel, loaded them as modules in /boot/loader.conf, and now I have 8 additional cuad? devices! Trying to help a buddy who also has a Moxa multiport serial card. He followed this thread and isn't seeing the same success Doug, can I get the following in a pastebin or in this thread? pciconf -lvvv Certainly... hos...@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x06 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25708086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82865G/PE/P, 82848P DRAM Controller / Host-Hub Interface' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI vgap...@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x03 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25728086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82865G Integrated Graphics Device' class = display subclass = VGA uh...@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d28086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d48086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d78086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:0:29:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24de8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB eh...@pci0:0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24dd8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pc...@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060400 card=0x chip=0x244e8086 rev=0xc2 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801 Family (ICH2/3/4/4/5/5/6/7/8/9,63xxESB) Hub Interface to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI is...@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x chip=0x24d08086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA atap...@pci0:0:31:1:class=0x01018a card=0x01511028 chip=0x24db8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) EIDE Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA atap...@pci0:0:31:2:class=0x01018f card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d18086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA no...@pci0:0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d38086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus no...@pci0:0:31:5: class=0x040100 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d58086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '815B104D
Re: Moxa 8-port serial multiplexor, how-to
On 8/5/09, Doug Poland d...@polands.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 05:54:30PM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: On 7/29/09, Doug Poland d...@polands.org wrote: On Wed, July 29, 2009 12:04, WATANABE Kazuhiro wrote: At Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:32:52 -0500, Doug Poland wrote: Hello, I'm trying to get a Moxa Technologies C168H/PCI 8-port mux card working in 7.2-RELEASE(i386). I've recompiled a GENERIC kernel with options COM_MULTIPORT and loaded the puc(4) module. I don't have any new ttyd? or cuad? devices in /dev. After reading the handbook(26.2) and man puc(4), sio(4). man sio(4) talks about adding /boot/device.hints but not for my particular hardware. I'm at a loss on how to continue. Suggestions, pointers, URLs welcome. Hi. If you want to load the puc(4) driver as a loadable module, you should load the sio(4) or uart(4) driver module as well. But these drivers are included in the GENERIC kernel. So you should to remove sio(4) or uart(4) from the kernel and load it as a loadable module. The other solution is to builtin the puc(4) driver to the kernel. i.e.: sio(4) puc(4) status or uart(4) module module work builtin builtin work builtin module not work - current choice? module builtin not work (module = loadable module, builtin = kernel builtin) Other modifications will not be needed for PCI multiport cards. Watanabe, I removed devices sio and uart from my kernel, loaded them as modules in /boot/loader.conf, and now I have 8 additional cuad? devices! Trying to help a buddy who also has a Moxa multiport serial card. He followed this thread and isn't seeing the same success Doug, can I get the following in a pastebin or in this thread? pciconf -lvvv Certainly... hos...@pci0:0:0:0:class=0x06 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25708086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82865G/PE/P, 82848P DRAM Controller / Host-Hub Interface' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI vgap...@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x03 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25728086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82865G Integrated Graphics Device' class = display subclass = VGA uh...@pci0:0:29:0:class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d28086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:0:29:1:class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d48086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:0:29:2:class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d78086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:0:29:3:class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24de8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB eh...@pci0:0:29:7:class=0x0c0320 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24dd8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pc...@pci0:0:30:0:class=0x060400 card=0x chip=0x244e8086 rev=0xc2 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801 Family (ICH2/3/4/4/5/5/6/7/8/9,63xxESB) Hub Interface to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI is...@pci0:0:31:0:class=0x060100 card=0x chip=0x24d08086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA atap...@pci0:0:31:1: class=0x01018a card=0x01511028 chip=0x24db8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) EIDE Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA atap...@pci0:0:31:2: class=0x01018f card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d18086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA no...@pci0:0:31:3:class=0x0c0500 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d38086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus no...@pci0:0:31:5:class=0x040100 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d58086 rev=0x02
Re: Moxa 8-port serial multiplexor, how-to
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 06:34:45PM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: On 8/5/09, Doug Poland d...@polands.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 05:54:30PM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: On 7/29/09, Doug Poland d...@polands.org wrote: On Wed, July 29, 2009 12:04, WATANABE Kazuhiro wrote: At Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:32:52 -0500, Doug Poland wrote: Hello, I'm trying to get a Moxa Technologies C168H/PCI 8-port mux card working in 7.2-RELEASE(i386). I've recompiled a GENERIC kernel with options COM_MULTIPORT and loaded the puc(4) module. I don't have any new ttyd? or cuad? devices in /dev. After reading the handbook(26.2) and man puc(4), sio(4). man sio(4) talks about adding /boot/device.hints but not for my particular hardware. I'm at a loss on how to continue. Suggestions, pointers, URLs welcome. Hi. If you want to load the puc(4) driver as a loadable module, you should load the sio(4) or uart(4) driver module as well. But these drivers are included in the GENERIC kernel. So you should to remove sio(4) or uart(4) from the kernel and load it as a loadable module. The other solution is to builtin the puc(4) driver to the kernel. i.e.: sio(4) puc(4) status or uart(4) module module work builtin builtin work builtin module not work - current choice? module builtin not work (module = loadable module, builtin = kernel builtin) Other modifications will not be needed for PCI multiport cards. Watanabe, I removed devices sio and uart from my kernel, loaded them as modules in /boot/loader.conf, and now I have 8 additional cuad? devices! Trying to help a buddy who also has a Moxa multiport serial card. He followed this thread and isn't seeing the same success Doug, can I get the following in a pastebin or in this thread? pciconf -lvvv Certainly... hos...@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x06 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25708086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82865G/PE/P, 82848P DRAM Controller / Host-Hub Interface' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI vgap...@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x03 card=0x01511028 chip=0x25728086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82865G Integrated Graphics Device' class = display subclass = VGA uh...@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d28086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d48086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d78086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uh...@pci0:0:29:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24de8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB eh...@pci0:0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24dd8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB 2.0 EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pc...@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060400 card=0x chip=0x244e8086 rev=0xc2 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801 Family (ICH2/3/4/4/5/5/6/7/8/9,63xxESB) Hub Interface to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI is...@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x chip=0x24d08086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Interface Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA atap...@pci0:0:31:1:class=0x01018a card=0x01511028 chip=0x24db8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) EIDE Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA atap...@pci0:0:31:2:class=0x01018f card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d18086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA no...@pci0:0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x01511028 chip=0x24d38086 rev=0x02
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:01:30 Miguel wrote: Hi, I've been trying to install FreeBSD in my laptop, but without success. I started with 7.2, but during installation i got the error: No disk found! Please verify that your disk controller... Looking at the logs, everything seems fine to me (although its my first time on the FreeBSD world). I get lines such as: atapci0: ATI IXP600 SATA300 controller [...] atapci0: [ITHREAD] atapci0: AHCI Version 01.10 controller with 4 ports detected ata2: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 ata3: [ITHREAD] ata4: ATA channel 2 on atapci0 ata4: [ITHREAD] ata5: ATA channel 3 on atapci0 ata5: [ITHREAD] [...] atapci1: ATI IPX600 UDMA 133 controller [...] ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci1 ata0: [ITHREAD] [...] (Note that i wrote these logs manually -- got some photos that I can upload to some URL if needed.) So, could not find any issues in the logs, apart from some ACPI errors: acpi0_check: nexus0 attached acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present acpi0_check: acpi0 not-present ... in fact, I have some other ACPI-related errors at the beginning of the logs, but these are common also on Linux -- I believe these are due to a buggy BIOS, which unfortunately I am not able to upgrade since I have not windows installed (I have a Toshiba Satellite A210). Anyway, I decided to try a more recent version of FreeBSD and downloaded 8.0-CURRENT-200906-amd64-disc1.iso which was the most recent snapshot for my Turion64 processor. Tried to boot it but this time the installation just freeze before the install application event starts. Last log lines are: acpi0: Could not initialise SystemIO handler: AE_NOT_EXIST device_attach: acpi0 attach returned 6 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec md0: Preload image /boot/mfsroot 4194304 bytes at 0x80fd8660 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! WARNING: WITNESS option enabled, expect reduced performance. Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/md0 warning: no time-of-day clock registered, system time will not be set accurately And at this point... nothing else -- system freezes. Please let me know if anyone has any suggestions for me to have a FreeBSD installation on my laptop. I am, of course, available to provide any additional information you might need to debug the issue. Your best bet is to poll the mobile list (CC'd) to see if anyone was able to get FreeBSD working on this laptop (or even to know whether this is a lost cause till somebody makes some patches for this laptop). Since 7.2 also does not work and with 8.0-RELEASE being in it's final stages, it's unlikely you can get some priority from the developers for it being a regression bug. The acpi and missing disk can be related (most likely are), but unless you get at least a live FS working (even the USB image for 8.0-BETA2) it will be hard to get an acpidump(8). So this really depends on someone knowledgeable having this laptop or BIOS tricks that get you to a stage where more info can be gathered and saved/snapshot. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 07:43:05AM -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: [snip] Well, we can start to agree that FreeBSD is not a distro, but a UNIX operating system. :) We can't quite agree on that ;) BSD=Berkeley Software Distribution AKA distro of Unix At least the OP didn't make the faux pas of calling FreeBSD a Linux distro like one of his colleagues did a couple of years ago on this list. He'll also be relieved to know that plenty of people use Opera on FreeBSD. I'd point him to bsdstats for some numbers but it doesn't seem very functional ATM. [snip] Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: foot-shot?
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:40:38AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: Hm. Last night mutt began to fail to sent mail; it exited with a 127. When I tried to rebuilt mutt, turns out that I'm missing GNU m4... . I'll paste the build snafus after my sig here on my server. Ideas how things got hosed? anybody? [[ ... ]] === Configuring for mutt-1.4.2.3_3 /usr/local/share/aclocal/soup.m4:7: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_SOUP foo, bar, baz ... Well, gents [*], Somehow my installed world got partially deleted and to save myself further grief, I rebuilt everything. *Then* rebuilt mutt. portmaster gets stuck on the java stuff because we still hasta fetch it ourselves. I thought Sun was going to fix that. In any case, my diablo-jdk16 timezone file is MIA, so I'm wedged as far as further upgrading goes. Been thinking over what someone said recently about restricting or dropping further ports. BSD is the best opensource system around. But keeping everything current is painful. Does anybody know if PCBSD is as pushbutton as, say, Ubuntu is? I'll always use FreeBSD on my DNS, apache22, and mail server side. Zero crashes in 7 years. But if I want to play music or watch a DVD--or do serious web video stuff--I use Ubuntu. I'd like to say kilowatts by having one tao that can handle everything from hacking code to playing a movie. There is the talent here to fix the fixable ... at the same time, we've all got real lives, jobs, school, families, etc. And a limited volunteer base. ...That's my dime's worth. gary [*] to spare raging replies, no, i am not a sexist/chauvinist. Only 30 years ago about a third of my computer class was female. Not to mention some drop-dead blondes in my ckt theory class... . I mean, some serious female EE talent there! :-) ... Now?? dunno. [?] :-( -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
