Re: Vimium on Chromium on FreeBSD
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 08:32:11PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: So are there plans to get 7x into ports? I would love to go back to Chrome as a browser ... I find Firefox so clunky now! :D Well . . . I have no idea what plans there are for updating the port, since I'm not the port maintainer for Chromium. On the other hand, 5.x is still smother and nicer than Firefox in many, many ways. The real limitations for Chromium are the restrictions that apply to extension development. If those restrictions don't really affect you, if for instance you don't care about vi-like keybindings and don't use KB SSL Enforcer on Chromium or HTTPS Everywhere on Firefox (so you don't care about the fact that Chromium's extension system limits KB SSL Enforcer's functionality so that it leaks data that should have been encrypted), then you could start using Chromium on FreeBSD now. Just install it from ports. I'm not *too* worried about getting the most up-to-date version of my browser, as long as the version I'm using doesn't have security vulnerabilities addressed in later versions, unless there is a specific feature I need. In this case, there *are* some specific features I want, features for extension development that should fix some of the flakiness of Vimium. Your mileage may vary, of course. I'm basically going back to using Firefox, after figuring out how to get Vimium installed (but not operating properly), I think. 5.x just doesn't support what I need, and I don't have the time and specific skills needed to submit updates to the port myself. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpoYJTlHDTLm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: version of slapd?
Tim Dunphy bluethu...@gmail.com wrote: I will put /usr/local/libexec/ on my path when I get a chance ... This is not necessarily a good idea. Usually things are installed into libexec instead of into bin to keep them _out of_ the path. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installed memory today, questions immediately
On 2010-11-05 04:41, justin v wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:35:20 -0700, Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote: On 11/4/10 10:13 PM, justin v wrote: I installed 4GB or memory today. I rebooted and see this, the first line after the splash menu thing: 983040K of memory above 4GB ignored dmesg shows avail mem amount and I am concerned as well: real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory = 3139940352 (2994 MB) is a stick bad perhaps? Start by reading http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/compatibility-memory.html If that doesn't cover it, come back here and include a little information about the version of FreeBSD and the hardware you're using. I would suggest you to give us the output of uname -a I suspect you are running the 32-bit version of FreeBSD and it cannot address more that 3 Gb of RAM. /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vimium on Chromium on FreeBSD
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 12:55:41AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 08:32:11PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: So are there plans to get 7x into ports? I would love to go back to Chrome as a browser ... I find Firefox so clunky now! :D Well . . . I have no idea what plans there are for updating the port, since I'm not the port maintainer for Chromium. On the other hand, 5.x is still smother and nicer than Firefox in many, many ways. The real s/smother/smoother/ oops -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp9dFsnfpBgD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ATTN GARY KLINE
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 335, Issue 8, Message: 29 On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 01:32:11 -0400 Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote: On 11/5/10 12:22 AM, kline wrote: [..] It is time to get this stuff arrow-straight, so hoping that someone on-list can clue me in. [..] http://www.dnscog.com/report/thought.org/1288928790 If your parents, the nameservers authoritative for .org, tell the world that one of the nameservers for thought.org is ns1.thought.org, they also have to tell the world what the IP address for ns1.thought.org is using an A record. That A record is glue. Otherwise you get a machine conversation something like: Resolving nameserver trying to find a record in the thought.org zone (RN): Please Mr. root server, I'd like to know about www.thought.org Root: See the .org folks over there RN: Please Mr. top-level dude, about that www.thought.org Org: Well, see ns1.thought.org RN: Ahem, I'm trying to find out basic stuff about thought.org and I don't know the address for ns1.thought.org in order to ask it Org: Well, ask ns1.thought.org what the address for ns1.thought.org is... RN: But, but, butfollowed by petulant stomping off Glue A records fix that problem. Lovely description Jon :) But you don't always have any control of what parent nameservers do; eg we do DNS for a .com but both NS are in .au so DNS reports always whinge about lack of glue .. nonetheless it works, though only after a hunt down through the .au servers, until cached. BTW, the fact that a glue record isn't returned for ns2.everydns.net in response to a query about NS records for thought.org really isn't a problem; note the info rather than fail from DNSCog. Biggest problem I still see is that ns2.everydns.net refuses to respond to queries about thought.org. You sure your account there is still active and functional and that you're allowing zone transfers to them? Confirmed here, no response at all after a good long wait; worse than reyrning 'we don't do thought.org' % dig @ns2.everydns.net. thought.org ; DiG 9.3.4-P1 @ns2.everydns.net. thought.org ; (1 server found) ;; global options: printcmd ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached where they really should be quickly issuing a REFUSED response. 'dig @ns2.everydns.net. everydns.net' works fine, so I'm reaching it ok. I note that you don't allow transfers from arbitrary addresses, and http://www.everydns.com/faq/secondary-domain/example-setup does warn that the source address for transfer requests was/will/did change. Some of the problems reported by DNSCog appear to be bogus. They've got some bugs related to cases where a nameserver has a name in the domain in question. (And also some bugs related to nameservers which are reachable by both ipv4 and ipv6, but that doesn't apply to you.) Bogus indeed. Tested one local domain there and got whinging about not accepting and postmaster@ mail; odd, thought I, but maillog shows: Nov 4 22:43:43 sm-mta[81227]: ruleset=check_relay, arg1=[216.146.46.136], arg2=216.146.46.136, relay=[216.146.46.136], reject=550 5.7.1 Fix reverse DNS for 216.146.46.136 % dig -x 216.146.46.136 [..] ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 18278 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;136.46.146.216.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 46.146.216.in-addr.arpa. 1800 IN SOA ns1.mydyndns.org. zone-admin.dyndns.com. 2008082768 10800 1800 604800 1800 Seems a bit amateurish to me, running a service like that on a dynamic address without reverse resolution, then expecting mail to work .. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Android usb tethering
On Tue 2/11/10 11:37 AM , freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: On Tue 2/11/10 10:11 AM , Alejandro Imass wrote:On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Ivan Voras wrote: On 11/01/10 15:42, Mark Atkinson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [...] In the above messages, the kernel detaches the storage device (umass) and tries to attach the new device, which doesn't have a driver so it's attached as ugen - generic USB. Yes. One has to remember that USB is just the bus just like pci, microchannel, etc. Even though you have access to the device on the bus you still need a driver for that specific ethernet chip your kernel. This is analogous to having a video card on the pci bus, you still need for the kernel to drive the specific chipset of the card regardless if it can see it on the bus. I have an HTC Nexus One so I may fiddle with this and see if I can help some more here. I am wishful that at least we can get a tty just like other gsm modems and from there it's pretty straight forward using wvdial or alike. If it's only the Ethernet over usb like you mention, then the chipset driver would have to be translated/ported to the FBSD kernel, if it's not already there ? Ok. But I will clarify here: The HTC Android systems uses an Internet Sharing feature- essentially Google has coded in routing/nat system into the base OS (probably moding the leftover code already in the linux base), and is trying to allow similar using bluetooth and wifi at a later date as well. The RNDIS is a M$ system that allows sharing anything over USB (network, files, etc- but all essentially operated as network anyway), something they've been playing with for some years- I was looking for an A-A USB cable since around 2003 or so to quickly transfer files when needed. Apparently M$ opened the specs a year or two ago and everyone's jumped on to use it. So where Google started was to start allowing the use of the router/nat via RNDIS USB - somehow this was easier than allowing bluetooth or wifi (probably security and available hardware features). So yes, apparently the phone hooks up as a usb mass storage device, uploads a file to the computer, and disconnects and becomes a network device. Here is the output from linux: usb 2-2.2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 usb 2-2.2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice scsi9 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usb-storage: device found at 4 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning usb 2-2.2: New USB device found, idVendor=0bb4, idProduct=0ff9 usb 2-2.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1 usb 2-2.2: Product: Android Phone usb 2-2.2: Manufacturer: HTC usb 2-2.2: SerialNumber: SH07TNX00726 usb-storage: device scan complete scsi 9:0:0:0: Direct-Access HTC Android Phone0100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 sd 9:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk sd 9:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0 usb 2-2.2: USB disconnect, address 4 usb 2-2.2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5 usb 2-2.2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice usb 2-2.2: New USB device found, idVendor=0bb4, idProduct=0ffe usb 2-2.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1 usb 2-2.2: Product: Android Phone usb 2-2.2: Manufacturer: HTC usb 2-2.2: SerialNumber: SH07TNX00726 usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether usb0: register 'rndis_host' at usb-:00:04.1-2.2, RNDIS device, ae:f6:3d:da:20:39 usbcore: registered new interface driver rndis_host usbcore: registered new interface driver rndis_wlan usb0: no IPv6 routers present usb 2-2.2: USB disconnect, address 5 usb0: unregister 'rndis_host' usb-:00:04.1-2.2, RNDIS device So. What would be my next step to make this work? OpenMoko have something similar and I tried moding some of their scripts (they've made theirs work with ALL OS- not just linux and Winblow$! Take heed manufacturers!) but it didn't mesh on the Android. I still end up with a generic host. As I mentioned, I tried modifying the cdce driver and the device list but that didn't help either, so when I moded the scripts and devd.conf I figured that was the missing piece of my puzzle. I'd actually pay someone to do this, but I do need to figure this out for myself anyway so I'm diving in deep and going to keep on struggling till I get it. I need it figured out before the year's end so I'm not going to sit on my laurels :) That, and a usb mass storage device emulator to trick a dumb digital photo frame So I have more on this: sourceforge.jp has a project rndis for freebsd. Its a little hard to navigate, but I downloaded the source code and tried to build it on 8.0. No go, but I'm not sure what usb library its using. I think it said usb2, but I'm not exactly sure what that meant (usb2.0, or libusb2, whatever). Now, I've only just quickly grabbed it and tried to
Glue records (was Re: ATTN GARY KLINE)
On Friday 05 November 2010 09:28:27 Ian Smith wrote: But you don't always have any control of what parent nameservers do; eg we do DNS for a .com but both NS are in .au so DNS reports always whinge about lack of glue They should be whingeing about lack of clue (their own) unless I'm horribly wrong about how DNS works. When a nameserver delegates a zone, it's not responsible for any of that zone's records any more, with two exceptions. It provides NS records to indicate which nameservers /are/ responsible, and it retains responsibility for the A records of nameservers inside the zone - and only those nameservers. (That's glue.) There's no way a .com nameserver should be providing A records for hosts in the .au zone. nonetheless it works, though only after a hunt down through the .au servers, until cached. Yes, this is exactly what /should/ happen. Only the .au servers (or servers they delegate to) are authoritative for hosts in the .au zone. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kldunload(8) returns 0, although it fail
On Fri Nov 5 10, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: On 11/03/2010 05:34 PM, Alexander Best wrote: hi there, is this a known issue with kldunload(8)? ***beginn*** otaku% kldunload sound otaku% echo $? 0 otaku% kldstat Id Refs AddressSize Name 1 35 0x8010 a2da40 kernel 21 0x80b2e000 295e8snd_hda.ko 31 0x80b58000 85110sound.ko 41 0x80bde000 da4bb8 nvidia.ko 54 0x81983000 418e0linux.ko 61 0x819c5000 80e8 ng_ubt.ko 72 0x819ce000 fa78 ng_hci.ko 82 0x819de000 2bd0 ng_bluetooth.ko 93 0x819e1000 15e68netgraph.ko 101 0x81c12000 3edb linprocfs.ko 113 0x81c16000 4698 pseudofs.ko 121 0x81c1b000 31b3 procfs.ko 131 0x81c1f000 a37 linsysfs.ko otaku% kldunload sound kldunload: attempt to unload file that was loaded by the kernel kldunload: can't unload file: Device busy sound.ko was presumably loaded by snd_hda.ko, as it is a dependency. You must unload all the modules depending on sound.ko before it will unload. At that point, I believe I've seen it unload itself. Same with netgraph.ko, and the modules that require it (ng_*.ko). thanks for your help. the issue is however not that i expect any of the modules i tested to unload successfully. as you pointed out sound.ko and netgraph.ko are being used so they cannot be unloaded. however kldunload suceeds, atlthough it shouldn't. only the second time it is being invoked it fails with EBUSY. it should also fail the first time. cheers. alex -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net cyber...@cyberleo.net Furry Peace! - http://.fur.com/peace/ -- a13x ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
No Attachments Please
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Re: Vimium on Chromium on FreeBSD
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 3:21 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 12:55:41AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 08:32:11PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: So are there plans to get 7x into ports? I would love to go back to Chrome as a browser ... I find Firefox so clunky now! :D Well . . . I have no idea what plans there are for updating the port, since I'm not the port maintainer for Chromium. On the other hand, 5.x is still smother and nicer than Firefox in many, many ways. The real s/smother/smoother/ oops Fair enough I am semi-conscience of security, it's something I do keep in mind and I'm sure portaudit would complain anyway if I did install it ... that would make my e-mail's all the longer. I did come across wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium but it breaks at the patch and that's where I left it (for now) -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
SAS2-controller for 64bit-FreeBSD
Hi, I'm going to buy a new storage-server and don't know yet which storage-controller to take. We found it the cheapest way to buy an external jbod-storage and a small server with an sas-controller. The chosen jbod will support SAS2, and as the system will have to last at least three years, we want something that can cope with growing disk-io - especially when using several raidzs and generating more and more overhead. Our vendor suggested us a LSI 9200-8e or 9280-4i4e [and a mainboard with onboard LSI2008]. But after searching a bit, I did not find anyone who uses this one in FreeBSD yet. There are 32bit-drivers directly from LSI, but we want to use the 64bit-port. New drivers were uploaded in September, but no reviews yet whether they work.u If you were to buy a sas2-controller, which one would you take? Or did anyone test these new drivers? Btw: The chassis will be a SuperMicro 847E-RJBOD1 - do you have any experience with that one? Is it recommendable? Regards, Julian signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Android usb tethering
On Thu 4/11/10 10:28 PM , four.harris...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue 2/11/10 11:37 AM , wrote: On Tue 2/11/10 10:11 AM , Alejandro Imass wrote:On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Ivan Voras wrote: On 11/01/10 15:42, Mark Atkinson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [...] In the above messages, the kernel detaches the storage device (umass) and tries to attach the new device, which doesn't have a driver so it's attached as ugen - generic USB. Yes. One has to remember that USB is just the bus just like pci, microchannel, etc. Even though you have access to the device on the bus you still need a driver for that specific ethernet chip your kernel. This is analogous to having a video card on the pci bus, you still need for the kernel to drive the specific chipset of the card regardless if it can see it on the bus. I have an HTC Nexus One so I may fiddle with this and see if I can help some more here. I am wishful that at least we can get a tty just like other gsm modems and from there it's pretty straight forward using wvdial or alike. If it's only the Ethernet over usb like you mention, then the chipset driver would have to be translated/ported to the FBSD kernel, if it's not already there ? Ok. But I will clarify here: The HTC Android systems uses an Internet Sharing feature- essentially Google has coded in routing/nat system into the base OS (probably moding the leftover code already in the linux base), and is trying to allow similar using bluetooth and wifi at a later date as well. The RNDIS is a M$ system that allows sharing anything over USB (network, files, etc- but all essentially operated as network anyway), something they've been playing with for some years- I was looking for an A-A USB cable since around 2003 or so to quickly transfer files when needed. Apparently M$ opened the specs a year or two ago and everyone's jumped on to use it. So where Google started was to start allowing the use of the router/nat via RNDIS USB - somehow this was easier than allowing bluetooth or wifi (probably security and available hardware features). So yes, apparently the phone hooks up as a usb mass storage device, uploads a file to the computer, and disconnects and becomes a network device. Here is the output from linux: usb 2-2.2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 usb 2-2.2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice scsi9 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usb-storage: device found at 4 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning usb 2-2.2: New USB device found, idVendor=0bb4, idProduct=0ff9 usb 2-2.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1 usb 2-2.2: Product: Android Phone usb 2-2.2: Manufacturer: HTC usb 2-2.2: SerialNumber: SH07TNX00726 usb-storage: device scan complete scsi 9:0:0:0: Direct-Access HTC Android Phone0100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 sd 9:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk sd 9:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0 usb 2-2.2: USB disconnect, address 4 usb 2-2.2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5 usb 2-2.2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice usb 2-2.2: New USB device found, idVendor=0bb4, idProduct=0ffe usb 2-2.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1 usb 2-2.2: Product: Android Phone usb 2-2.2: Manufacturer: HTC usb 2-2.2: SerialNumber: SH07TNX00726 usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether usb0: register 'rndis_host' at usb-:00:04.1-2.2, RNDIS device, ae:f6:3d:da:20:39 usbcore: registered new interface driver rndis_host usbcore: registered new interface driver rndis_wlan usb0: no IPv6 routers present usb 2-2.2: USB disconnect, address 5 usb0: unregister 'rndis_host' usb-:00:04.1-2.2, RNDIS device So. What would be my next step to make this work? OpenMoko have something similar and I tried moding some of their scripts (they've made theirs work with ALL OS- not just linux and Winblow$! Take heed manufacturers!) but it didn't mesh on the Android. I still end up with a generic host. As I mentioned, I tried modifying the cdce driver and the device list but that didn't help either, so when I moded the scripts and devd.conf I figured that was the missing piece of my puzzle. I'd actually pay someone to do this, but I do need to figure this out for myself anyway so I'm diving in deep and going to keep on struggling till I get it. I need it figured out before the year's end so I'm not going to sit on my laurels :) That, and a usb mass storage device emulator to trick a dumb digital photo frame So I have more on this: sourceforge.jp has a project rndis for freebsd. Its a little hard to navigate, but I downloaded the source code and tried to build it on 8.0. No go, but I'm not sure what usb library its using. I think it said usb2, but I'm
Re: Installed memory today, questions immediately
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010, Leslie Jensen wrote: On 2010-11-05 04:41, justin v wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:35:20 -0700, Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote: On 11/4/10 10:13 PM, justin v wrote: I installed 4GB or memory today. I rebooted and see this, the first line after the splash menu thing: 983040K of memory above 4GB ignored dmesg shows avail mem amount and I am concerned as well: real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory = 3139940352 (2994 MB) is a stick bad perhaps? Start by reading http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/compatibility-memory.html If that doesn't cover it, come back here and include a little information about the version of FreeBSD and the hardware you're using. I would suggest you to give us the output of uname -a I suspect you are running the 32-bit version of FreeBSD and it cannot address more that 3 Gb of RAM. /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org yep running 32-bit and have a 686. No PAE happening. oh well. i wasnt sure if id run into any compatiblity issues.. i have this server running how i want, no issues, so, 32bit OS with 3GB ram will do... thanks for the response. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Glue records (was Re: ATTN GARY KLINE)
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 335, Issue 9, Message: 7 On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:27:38 +0200 Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote: On Friday 05 November 2010 09:28:27 Ian Smith wrote: But you don't always have any control of what parent nameservers do; eg we do DNS for a .com but both NS are in .au so DNS reports always whinge about lack of glue They should be whingeing about lack of clue (their own) unless I'm horribly wrong about how DNS works. Indeed, my point .. I've tried quite a few free DNS health reporters over the time; some eg thednsreport.com list missing glue records as a warning, ending: This will usually occur if your DNS servers are not in the same TLD as your domain which is just the case, but others have splashed red ink over this one .. sorry, don't recall which offhand. When a nameserver delegates a zone, it's not responsible for any of that zone's records any more, with two exceptions. It provides NS records to indicate which nameservers /are/ responsible, and it retains responsibility for the A records of nameservers inside the zone - and only those nameservers. (That's glue.) There's no way a .com nameserver should be providing A records for hosts in the .au zone. Nor, I guess, .org nameservers having A RRs for a .net NS, like Gary's. nonetheless it works, though only after a hunt down through the .au servers, until cached. Yes, this is exactly what /should/ happen. Only the .au servers (or servers they delegate to) are authoritative for hosts in the .au zone. Just so, Jonathan; I was referring to lack of clue of some reporting gadgets. dnscog.com got this one right, but its mail report is sus. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
how to generate pi in c
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Re: how to generate pi in c
No, but a simple search reveals some information; http://einstein.drexel.edu/courses/Comp_Phys/General/C_basics/ On Nov 5, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Arthur Bela wrote: Does anyone has a generate-pi.c source code? Thanks.. :D :\ -- /\ Best regards,| re...@freebsd.org \ / Remko Lodder | Xhttp://www.evilcoder.org/| Quis custodiet ipsos custodes / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign| Against HTML Mail and News ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vimium on Chromium on FreeBSD
Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 04 November 2010: On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 02:25:23PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Vimium is one of several Chromium extensions that provide some vi-like keybindings, and arguably the one with the best vi-like experience. Unfortunately, it is not quite up to the standards of Vimperator on Firefox, but it is definitely better than nothing. Also unfortunately, it does not install on FreeBSD in its current official form. It only produces an error. I figured out why the version of Chromium in ports does not support the URL scheme wildcard: that was a feature of the matches value that was added in Chromium v6.x. Chromium is up to 7.x now, but the version in FreeBSD ports is still 5.0.x, so my ugly fix is necessary to make Vimium installable. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Works for me. Thanks, Chad! -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpn4fLcLFPjb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to generate pi in c
This is how I do it in perl use constant PI = 4 * atan2(1, 1); In C it owuld probably be (using math.h): pi = 4.0*atan(1.0); On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Remko Lodder re...@elvandar.org wrote: No, but a simple search reveals some information; http://einstein.drexel.edu/courses/Comp_Phys/General/C_basics/ On Nov 5, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Arthur Bela wrote: Does anyone has a generate-pi.c source code? Thanks.. :D :\ -- /\ Best regards, | re...@freebsd.org \ / Remko Lodder | X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | Quis custodiet ipsos custodes / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to generate pi in c
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:39:05 -0400, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote: This is how I do it in perl use constant PI = 4 * atan2(1, 1); In C it owuld probably be (using math.h): pi = 4.0*atan(1.0); Or use M_PI from /usr/include/math.h, as we already #include'd it. :-) #define M_PI3.14159265358979323846 -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to generate pi in c
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:39:05 -0400, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote: This is how I do it in perl use constant PI = 4 * atan2(1, 1); In C it owuld probably be (using math.h): pi = 4.0*atan(1.0); Or use M_PI from /usr/include/math.h, as we already #include'd it. :-) #define M_PI 3.14159265358979323846 jaja. live and learn -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to generate pi in c
В Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:39:05 -0400 Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org пишет: This is how I do it in perl use constant PI = 4 * atan2(1, 1); In C it owuld probably be (using math.h): pi = 4.0*atan(1.0); On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Remko Lodder re...@elvandar.org wrote: No, but a simple search reveals some information; http://einstein.drexel.edu/courses/Comp_Phys/General/C_basics/ On Nov 5, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Arthur Bela wrote: Does anyone has a generate-pi.c source code? Thanks.. :D :\ -- /\ Best regards, | re...@freebsd.org \ / Remko Lodder | X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | Quis custodiet ipsos custodes / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org adapt the code to build on FreeBSD... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to generate pi in c
В Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:39:05 -0400
Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org пишет:
This is how I do it in perl
use constant PI = 4 * atan2(1, 1);
In C it owuld probably be (using math.h):
pi = 4.0*atan(1.0);
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Remko Lodder re...@elvandar.org
wrote:
No, but a simple search reveals some information;
http://einstein.drexel.edu/courses/Comp_Phys/General/C_basics/
On Nov 5, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Arthur Bela wrote:
Does anyone has a generate-pi.c source code?
Thanks.. :D :\
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adapt the code to build on FreeBSD...
excuse me - the problem in acceding file
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/*
** PI.C - Computes Pi to an arbitrary number of digits
**
** Uses far arrays so may be compiled in any memory model
*/
#includestdio.h
#includestdlib.h
#if defined(__ZTC__)
#include dos.h
#define FAR _far
#define Fcalloc farcalloc
#define Ffree farfree
#define Size_T unsigned long
#elif defined(__TURBOC__)
#include alloc.h
#define FAR far
#define Fcalloc farcalloc
#define Ffree farfree
#define Size_T unsigned long
#else /* assume MSC/QC */
#include malloc.h
#define FAR _far
#define Fcalloc _fcalloc
#define Ffree _ffree
#define Size_T size_t
#endif
long kf, ks;
long FAR *mf, FAR *ms;
long cnt, n, temp, nd;
long i;
long col, col1;
long loc, stor[21];
void shift(long FAR *l1, long FAR *l2, long lp, long lmod)
{
long k;
k = ((*l2) 0 ? (*l2) / lmod: -(-(*l2) / lmod) - 1);
*l2 -= k * lmod;
*l1 += k * lp;
}
void yprint(long m)
{
if (cntn)
{
if (++col == 11)
{
col = 1;
if (++col1 == 6)
{
col1 = 0;
printf(\n);
printf(%4ld,m%10);
}
else printf(%3ld,m%10);
}
else printf(%ld,m);
cnt++;
}
}
void xprint(long m)
{
long ii, wk, wk1;
if (m 8)
{
for (ii = 1; ii = loc; )
yprint(stor[(int)(ii++)]);
loc = 0;
}
else
{
if (m 9)
{
wk = m / 10;
m %= 10;
for (wk1 = loc; wk1 = 1; wk1--)
{
wk += stor[(int)wk1];
stor[(int)wk1] = wk % 10;
wk /= 10;
}
}
}
stor[(int)(++loc)] = m;
}
void memerr(int errno)
{
printf(\a\nOut of memory error #%d\n, errno);
if (2 == errno)
Ffree(mf);
_exit(2);
}
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
int i=0;
char *endp;
stor[i++] = 0;
if (argc 2)
{
puts(\aUsage: PI number_of_digits);
return(1);
}
n = strtol(argv[1], endp, 10);
if (NULL == (mf = Fcalloc((Size_T)(n + 3L), (Size_T)sizeof(long
memerr(1);
if (NULL == (ms = Fcalloc((Size_T)(n + 3L), (Size_T)sizeof(long
memerr(2);
printf(\nApproximation of PI to %ld digits\n, (long)n);
cnt = 0;
kf = 25;
ks = 57121L;
mf[1] = 1L;
for (i = 2; i = (int)n; i += 2)
{
mf[i] = -16L;
mf[i+1] = 16L;
}
for (i = 1; i = (int)n; i += 2)
{
ms[i] = -4L;
ms[i+1] = 4L;
}
printf(\n 3.);
while (cnt n)
{
for (i = 0; ++i = (int)n - (int)cnt; )
{
mf[i] *= 10L;
ms[i] *= 10L;
}
for (i =(int)(n - cnt + 1); --i = 2; )
{
temp = 2 * i - 1;
shift(mf[i - 1], mf[i], temp - 2, temp * kf);
shift(ms[i - 1], ms[i], temp - 2, temp * ks);
}
nd = 0;
shift((long FAR *)nd, mf[1], 1L, 5L);
shift((long FAR *)nd, ms[1], 1L, 239L);
xprint(nd);
}
printf(\n\nCalculations Completed!\n);
Ffree(ms);
Ffree(mf);
return(0);
}
Re: how to generate pi in c
Hi,
Does anyone has a generate-pi.c source code?
The solution of Ivan Klymenko is surely much more suffisticated, but as I
wrote this down, I just want to publish it... ;-)
1 #include stdlib.h
2 #include string.h
3 #include stdio.h
4
5 // Change this for a more accurate result.
6 long max = 1;
7 double a, b;
8 double pi;
9 long counter;
10 long i;
11
12 int main() {
13 for (i = 0; i max; i++) {
14 a = drand48();
15 b = drand48();
16 if (a*a + b*b = 1)
17 counter++;
18 }
19 pi = 4*counter;
20
21 printf(%e\n, pi);
22 return(0);
23 }
Note that the result must be shifted to the potence of the max-int. I didn't
care for the problems with long-lengths now, but just dividing would not have
done the job.
Also, this implementations is stupid, as you see, no caring for the lengths
of the variables in the computer, if you go too far with your max, you will
surely become problems with the maximum number that can be represented.
The detail of this approximation heavily depends on the pseudo-rng you are
using, as does its correctness (e.g., when your 'rng' always returns 10, pi
would be computed to be 10). But if you have a good prng, it can approximate
pi to a fair amount of numbers.
If you had *real* random numbers (whatever that might be), you could even be
more approriate.
This approximation is stupid, but I like the simplicity of it (we did it in
uni last year). Just take 'random' numbers and look whether they are in a
circle (that's the a*a + b*b = 1).
Regards, Julian
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Re: how to generate pi in c
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 05:40:39PM +0100, Arthur Bela wrote:
Does anyone has a generate-pi.c source code?
Search for pi spigot algorithm.
Here is a tiny C program from Jeremy Gibbon's Unbounded Spigot paper
(due to Dik Winter and Achim Flammenkamp):
a[52514],b,c=52514,d,e,f=1e4,g,h;main(){for(;b=c-=14;h=printf(%04d,
e+d/f))for(e=d%=f;g=--b*2;d/=g)d=d*b+f*(h?a[b]:f/5),a[b]=d%--g;}
This produces the first 15,000 digits concisely, but is obfuscated.
If you need an unbounded number of digits, search out the spigot
algorithm papers.
Alex
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Re: ZFS License and Future
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Re: ZFS License and Future
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote: Maybe I should go back to UFS, CCD, GEOM, etc. instead of continuing to support f***ing Oracle. ZFS was honestly very easy and seemed very reliable and fast, but I would like the opinion and position of people here on ZFS before I continue using it. Technically, as long as Oracle keeps supplying the source code for versions of ZFS above v28 (no matter how long it takes, i.e. maybe after releasing Solaris 11 (?)) under the CDDL, we should have no problems using that code in FreeBSD. Just note that FreeBSD is not yet at ZFS v28, though it seems there's a patch for that [*], and we can hope to see it integrated when it is ready. As a matter of taste, you're free to use whatever file system you like. Many thanks, Alejandro Imass [*] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2010-August/019541.html Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ATTN GARY KLINE
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 01:32:11AM -0400, Jon Radel wrote: On 11/5/10 12:22 AM, kline wrote: i''m using evo to be able to click on. i have fewer ``Fail'' type responses, but do not understand the failure messages. Also, since it has been 9.5 years since I read DNS AND BIND, the jargon is lost. What does glue means? and how should I resolve? It is time to get this stuff arrow-straight, so hoping that someone on-list can clue me in. tx, gary http://www.dnscog.com/report/thought.org/1288928790 If your parents, the nameservers authoritative for .org, tell the world that one of the nameservers for thought.org is ns1.thought.org, they also have to tell the world what the IP address for ns1.thought.org is using an A record. That A record is glue. Otherwise you get a machine conversation something like: Resolving nameserver trying to find a record in the thought.org zone (RN): Please Mr. root server, I'd like to know about www.thought.org Root: See the .org folks over there RN: Please Mr. top-level dude, about that www.thought.org Org: Well, see ns1.thought.org RN: Ahem, I'm trying to find out basic stuff about thought.org and I don't know the address for ns1.thought.org in order to ask it Org: Well, ask ns1.thought.org what the address for ns1.thought.org is... RN: But, but, butfollowed by petulant stomping off Glue A records fix that problem. BTW, the fact that a glue record isn't returned for ns2.everydns.net in response to a query about NS records for thought.org really isn't a problem; note the info rather than fail from DNSCog. I did not see the info tag, thanks. Here is what I have for my A recordes in thought.org's external [and internal] filees. Note that plsto and ns1 are different computers. plato is my firewall. thought.org.e.hosts:19:ethicA 209.180.213.210 thought.org.e.hosts:20:platoA 209.180.213.209 thought.org.e.hosts:21:ns1 A 209.180.213.209 thought.org.i.hosts:14:ethicA 10.47.0.230 thought.org.i.hosts:15:platoA 10.47.0.1 thought.org.i.hosts:16:tao A 10.47.0.250 thought.org.i.hosts:18:zen A 10.47.0.190 FWIW, ethic *is* ns1. LAst time someone criticized having three IP's with the same quad decimal. (A couple years ago I was sown for several days and my wife had to talk with some tech [from Qwest]. He was either in Mumbai or Manilla and had her erase a bunch of lines from my modem/router. I don't think that has any effect here, tho I may be wrong.) Biggest problem I still see is that ns2.everydns.net refuses to respond to queries about thought.org. You sure your account there is still active and functional and that you're allowing zone transfers to them? I note that you don't allow transfers from arbitrary addresses, and http://www.everydns.com/faq/secondary-domain/example-setup does warn that the source address for transfer requests was/will/did change. I saw that and chaanged it, allowing transfers a day or two ago. Where do I look in /var/log/ to see if these actually happened? It may be that everydns.net got tired of requests and I need to re-do something. Some of the problems reported by DNSCog appear to be bogus. They've got some bugs related to cases where a nameserver has a name in the domain in question. (And also some bugs related to nameservers which are reachable by both ipv4 and ipv6, but that doesn't apply to you.) Thankee much. I'll grep around for xfer in /var/log/* and hopefully see something from I recognize.) gary --Jon Radel j...@radel.com -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.90a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php An Open Letter to Stephen Hawking http://www.thought.org/#oL ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD - POP3 timeouts
Please see below. - Original Message - From: Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com To: Grant Peel gp...@thenetnow.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:12 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD - POP3 timeouts On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Grant Peel gp...@thenetnow.com wrote: Hello all, I have serveral servers setup with FreeBSD 8.0. Each of these servers are running vm-pop3d, which has worked well for many years now. Since installing FreeBSD 8.0, the number of timeouts on port 110 have skyrocketed on all the servers. What do es since installing FreeBSD 8.0 mean here? Why did you install FreeBSD 8.0?? What were you running before? It means I have been running the same configuration for many years without seeing the issue, and am currently using the same setup with a fresh install of Freebsd 8.0 The same setup ran fine for years on FreeBSD 4.4, 4.10, 5.2.1, 6.1, 6.3, 7.0/ Some clients connecting (checking thier email) 200 times a day, may be seeing as many as 50 timeouts. Is there any tuning somewhere I have missed? You must also show us the server logs showing the timeouts. Please enable debug logging on vm-pop3d if possible. Here is a sample from /var/log/maillog. It wont say much, other than the user session timed out: Nov 5 16:16:50 pegasus vm-pop3d[22070]: Connect from 24.114.xxx.xxx Nov 5 16:16:50 pegasus vm-pop3d[22070]: uid 0, gid 6 Nov 5 16:16:51 pegasus vm-pop3d[22070]: cmd: USER i...@somedomain.ca Nov 5 16:16:51 pegasus vm-pop3d[22070]: uid 65534, gid 6 Nov 5 16:16:51 pegasus vm-pop3d[22070]: User 'info' of 'somedomain.ca' logged in Nov 5 16:16:51 pegasus vm-pop3d[22070]: cmd: STAT Nov 5 16:21:57 pegasus vm-pop3d[22070]: Session timed out for user: info I hope you do realize that in this forum, we mostly handle questions about FreeBSD and not those related to the daily running of apps (like vm-pop3d). so you'll bear with us since some of us run other pop3/imap4 servers different than vm-pop3d. I have been using these forums for many years now, and I do understand that this is for FreeBSD and not ports like vm-pop3d. I posted it here thinking there may be some strange Ethernet driver issue, or sysctl setting the I might not be aware of, or possibly some problem with inetd that may have popped up in FreeBSD 8.0. FWIW here is the process for inetd\: 80070 ?? Ss 0:07.36 /usr/sbin/inetd -wW -C 60 and here is the config line from inetd.conf: pop3 stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/tcpd /usr/local/sbin/vm-pop3d -D9 -t300 There are lots of Virtual Pop3d accounts spread over many domains on the servers, and I have a number of them myself. I have not seen this issue with any of the accounts I use, ever. I do not beleive thier is a firewall issue here. Just for investigations, I am going to switch form inetd to daemon mode -Grant -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Glue records (was Re: ATTN GARY KLINE)
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Fri Nov 5 02:26:31 2010 From: Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:27:38 +0200 Subject: Glue records (was Re: ATTN GARY KLINE) On Friday 05 November 2010 09:28:27 Ian Smith wrote: But you don't always have any control of what parent nameservers do; eg we do DNS for a .com but both NS are in .au so DNS reports always whinge about lack of glue They should be whingeing about lack of clue (their own) unless I'm horribly wrong about how DNS works. When a nameserver delegates a zone, it's not responsible for any of that zone's records any more, with two exceptions. It provides NS records to indicate which nameservers /are/ responsible, and it retains responsibility for the A records of nameservers inside the zone - and only those nameservers. (That's glue.) There's no way a .com nameserver should be providing A records for hosts in the .au zone. sure there is. Domain: foo.com (an aussie company) nameservers ns1.alicesprings.au, ns2.umelbourneatperth.au They're still wrong to bw whinging about a lack o glue records. glue is needed _only_ when the nameserver is _in_ the domain it is the authoritative servr for. So, in the above frivolous example, foo.com does *NOT* need any glue records, but if ns1.alicesprings.au is an authoritative server for alicesprings.au, then *it* needs a glue record for that domain. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 03:11:47PM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: A while back I started the thread Troubles on SATA drives ZFS. I decided to bring the zpool down check each disk and re-construct the pool. Nevertheless, I was revising one of the ZFS error message links and Oracle made me create a developer id to access the info. This really pissed me off even more than teh Android suit, so it got me thinking... Maybe I should go back to UFS, CCD, GEOM, etc. instead of continuing to support f***ing Oracle. ZFS was honestly very easy and seemed very reliable and fast, but I would like the opinion and position of people here on ZFS before I continue using it. Frankly, it may be a couple of years before Oracle even decides what it will do with ZFS in the long run. I have not started using it to any substantial degree and, considering the change in ownership, I'm unlikely to start using it if I do not have an immediate, specific use-case that calls for the capabilities of ZFS in particular. . . . on top of which, I don't feel a need to do Oracle any favors. Your mileage may vary, of course. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpQadNFz73Ra.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 08:25:05PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: Well ... CDDL was (iirc) based on the Mozilla Public License. Are you similarly worried about Thunderbird or Firefox? I think Alejandro's more worried about what will happen with future versions of ZFS based on the company that now owns the copyrights, which is not (in any meaningful way I've been able to determine) at all similar to the Mozilla Foundation. Yes, the current stable version is CDDL. Will the next be purely proprietary, or some new license, or simply discontinued? Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on platforms other than Solaris from using it? Whether you think concerns like these will prove reasonable in the long run, they make a lot more sense than assuming that Alejandro just wonders if the CDDL is dangerous somehow. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpFUsckKJ3NZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: portmaster
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 20:15:27 +0100 Dick Hoogendijk d...@nagual.nl wrote: Trying to update with portmaster (-a -B -d) but everytime the process stops after some time and I can't find out why this happens. All I see is a screen full of names, but no message why the thing dumped core. Is there a way to find out _WHY_ portmaster can't complete the proces? Did you follow the UPDATING entry for portmaster? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 08:25:05PM +0100, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: Well ... CDDL was (iirc) based on the Mozilla Public License. Are you similarly worried about Thunderbird or Firefox? I think Alejandro's more worried about what will happen with future versions of ZFS based on the company that now owns the copyrights, which is not (in any meaningful way I've been able to determine) at all similar to the Mozilla Foundation. Yes, the current stable version is CDDL. Will the next be purely proprietary, or some new license, or simply discontinued? Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on platforms other than Solaris from using it? Whether you think concerns like these will prove reasonable in the long run, they make a lot more sense than assuming that Alejandro just wonders if the CDDL is dangerous somehow. Precisely. This is Larry Ellison's position on Open Source: quote If an open source product gets good enough, we'll simply take it. [...] So the great thing about open source is nobody owns it – a company like Oracle is free to take it for nothing, include it in our products and charge for support, and that's what we'll do. So it is not disruptive at all – you have to find places to add value. Once open source gets good enough, competing with it would be insane. [...] We don't have to fight open source, we have to exploit open source. /quote Source: Financial Times interview, 18-Apr-2006 http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto041820061306424713 I am not about to check the actual licensing of ZFS, I mean to which parts are actually licensed with the CDDL or not, for example the HTML error message documents. Which patents Sun or Oracle have obtained on the technology, etc. Look at what happened to Android for choosing Java. Supposedly, it was Open Source and there you have it: it's open source if and only if... For example, WyTF do I have to login to Oracle to access the error message information? So, my inquiry to this community is: should we really be promoting the use of ZFS directly by putting it on the FBSD handbook? Maybe it should go on a different document, and make it really optional. MySQL is another example, and Open Office, and to top it off BDB. Yes, it's Oracle Berkeley DB - are we as a community continue to allow, and worse yet promote, this trend? Anyway, I'm not going to use it any more. I think that we have to raise awareness to Companies that create Open Source not sell themselves out to these vicious looters. Or at least have the decency to release one final version under a license that will allow the communities to continue development and keeping the software really open. Best, Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installed memory today, questions immediately
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Fri Nov 5 01:18:07 2010 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 08:19:43 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen les...@eskk.nu To: justin v v...@yeaguy.com Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jon Radel j...@radel.com Subject: Re: Installed memory today, questions immediately On 2010-11-05 04:41, justin v wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:35:20 -0700, Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote: On 11/4/10 10:13 PM, justin v wrote: I installed 4GB or memory today. I rebooted and see this, the first line after the splash menu thing: 983040K of memory above 4GB ignored dmesg shows avail mem amount and I am concerned as well: real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory = 3139940352 (2994 MB) is a stick bad perhaps? Start by reading http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/compatibility-memory.html If that doesn't cover it, come back here and include a little information about the version of FreeBSD and the hardware you're using. I would suggest you to give us the output of uname -a I suspect you are running the 32-bit version of FreeBSD and it cannot address more that 3 Gb of RAM. Must be a hardware issue, too. I'm running 7.2/i386 on a P-III box, and the boot messages shows 3.9+ gigs 'avail mem'. I double-checked, no mention of PAE in the kernel config, either. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installed memory today, questions immediately
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.comwrote: I suspect you are running the 32-bit version of FreeBSD and it cannot address more that 3 Gb of RAM. Must be a hardware issue, too. I'm running 7.2/i386 on a P-III box, and the boot messages shows 3.9+ gigs 'avail mem'. I double-checked, no mention of PAE in the kernel config, either. In a way, yes. The video memory counts agaisnt the 4GB/32bit addressable cap so a large video card will make the discrepancy worse. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote: So, my inquiry to this community is: should we really be promoting the use of ZFS directly by putting it on the FBSD handbook? Maybe it should go on a different document, and make it really optional. MySQL is another example, and Open Office, and to top it off BDB. Yes, it's Oracle Berkeley DB - are we as a community continue to allow, and worse yet promote, this trend? First of all, FreeBSD devs are putting ZFS in the source tree, not just in the handbook. Then, what's being put there is under the CDDL. Should Oracle change the license for subsequent releases of ZFS in a way unacceptable to us, FreeBSD's ZFS will either stagnate and rot, or it will get developed independently in FreeBSD (and perhaps in IllumOS?) along a different path, a.k.a. a fork. This leaves us the problem of patents... and here we're always on slippery grounds, especially in the few countries in the world where software is patentable at all. But this is a general problem, not limited to ZFS. Anyway, I'm not going to use it any more. I think that we have to raise awareness to Companies that create Open Source not sell themselves out to these vicious looters. Or at least have the decency to release one final version under a license that will allow the communities to continue development and keeping the software really open. Again, you're free to use UFS (or any other file system) instead. In many cases, UFS is also a better choice. But those who opt to use ZFS should still be able to do so. Should things go horribly wrong in the future (and with Oracle's bad behaviour towards the OpenSolaris community, there are reasons to be skeptical), copying data back to UFS shouldn't be such a big problem, right? Best, Alejandro Imass -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installed memory today, questions immediately
On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:29:35 -0700, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Fri Nov 5 01:18:07 2010 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 08:19:43 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen les...@eskk.nu To: justin v v...@yeaguy.com Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jon Radel j...@radel.com Subject: Re: Installed memory today, questions immediately On 2010-11-05 04:41, justin v wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:35:20 -0700, Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote: On 11/4/10 10:13 PM, justin v wrote: I installed 4GB or memory today. I rebooted and see this, the first line after the splash menu thing: 983040K of memory above 4GB ignored dmesg shows avail mem amount and I am concerned as well: real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory = 3139940352 (2994 MB) is a stick bad perhaps? Start by reading http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/compatibility-memory.html If that doesn't cover it, come back here and include a little information about the version of FreeBSD and the hardware you're using. I would suggest you to give us the output of uname -a I suspect you are running the 32-bit version of FreeBSD and it cannot address more that 3 Gb of RAM. Must be a hardware issue, too. I'm running 7.2/i386 on a P-III box, and the boot messages shows 3.9+ gigs 'avail mem'. I double-checked, no mention of PAE in the kernel config, either. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I running 32bit OS.. i should have run 64bit actually.. I forgot about the memory limitations with 32bit os. -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 11/5/10 5:19 PM, Alejandro Imass wrote: Precisely. This is Larry Ellison's position on Open Source: quote If an open source product gets good enough, we'll simply take it. [...] So the great thing about open source is nobody owns it – a company like Oracle is free to take it for nothing, include it in our products and charge for support, and that's what we'll do. So it is not disruptive at all – you have to find places to add value. Once open source gets good enough, competing with it would be insane. [...] We don't have to fight open source, we have to exploit open source. /quote Source: Financial Times interview, 18-Apr-2006 http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto041820061306424713 It sounds like he's probably a big fan of the BSD license. I do not see how this is a bad thing, other than he uses potentially inflammatory words like exploit. The basics of what he says are exactly what Red Hat has done from the beginning, and Apple with OS X. Note he says take it for nothing, he is not referring to buying companies but the practice of including/distributing this software and providing support for the entirety. the technology, etc. Look at what happened to Android for choosing Java. Supposedly, it was Open Source and there you have it: it's open source if and only if... For example, WyTF do I have to login to Oracle to access the error message information? Android uses the Java language, but this is not what that suit is about. Oracle claims the Dalvik VM infringes on their patents. If Android was using the Java VM there would be no lawsuit. Sun was able to successfully sue Microsoft for similar reasons in 1997 (incomplete implementation of the Java standard). Somehow people continued using Java, despite this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS License and Future
On 11/5/10 4:34 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: Will Oracle start using patent suits to try to stop people who aren't paying for ZFS or who are using it on platforms other than Solaris from using it? Whether you think concerns like these will prove reasonable in the long run, they make a lot more sense than assuming that Alejandro just wonders if the CDDL is dangerous somehow. I would be surprised. Oracle (real Oracle, not Sun) is still the primary developer of btrfs on Linux. They are pretty much going for feature parity with ZFS and want people to actually use it. If they start suing over ZFS patents which are certainly applicable to btrfs, it will have repercussions on that side. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
