Re: troubles rebuilding extensions.ini
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 06:43:23AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:57:07 -0500, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: make rmconfig will remove/reset the config to factory default, then make config to restart fresh. And make rmconfig-recursive will do so for any other port the current port depends on. A very handy solution if the trouble hides in a dependency of a dependency... :-) Just see man ports for a list of all targets. Ye Gods. The ports manpage is almost unreadable. Not to mention full of non-ASCII bytes. I'm beat. Throwing in the towel for now. --Everything works except my own web server. Thanks to the list ... and that's it for now. --g -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.97a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
8.1-STABLE: Weird behaviour with some network services
Hello, I'm running FreeBSD 8.1-STABLE amd64 r215423 on a Q9400 with 6GB RAM. Base system is on a geom_mirror, everything else is inside a few ZFS raidz1 pools. Everything except sshd runs inside jails. Three days ago I noticed that my audio/icecast2 (2.3.2, from ports) suddenly stopped processing connections. Couldn't stop it conventionally, either; only kill -9 worked. Then the same day Apache's httpd (2.2.18, prefork, built manually) stopped responding; child processes were stuck in defunct state and never finished, and the dispatcher didn't spawn any new ones. However in this case 'apachectl restart' worked, and defunct processes were successfully killed. With gdb attached to icecast2, I can see 6 threads running, all of them except two being inside nanosleep(). The main process seems to be stuck at 453 ret = poll(ufds, global.server_sockets, timeout); Step by step execution in gdb inside poll() have somehow unfrozen the process at least once. Any advice on what might be the issue here? There are no issues with the HDDs (or so it seems; nothing in dmesg, and SMART health assessment is All OK). I haven't tried to restart the server as it's really unwelcome (and I doubt it's a proper solution). I've also did make -j8 buildworld to see if there might be RAM issues (as buildworld usually crashes on faulty RAM). No problems, either. Thanks in advance. P.S. Please CC, I am not subscribed to this list. -- Kamigishi Rei KREI-RIPE signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: troubles rebuilding extensions.ini
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:18:28 -0800, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 06:43:23AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: Just see man ports for a list of all targets. Ye Gods. The ports manpage is almost unreadable. Not to mention full of non-ASCII bytes. Those should be the representation of text attributes, rendered according to the terminals's capabilities (e. g. reverse, bold, underline). They should not be displayed as-is. What $PAGER are you using? It should be more or less more or less. :-) Try man -Pless ports and display should be fine. To get a readable PDF output of the manpage, use % zcat `man -w ports` | groff -Tps -dpaper=a4 -P-pa4 -mandoc | ps2pdf - ports.pdf % xpdf ports.pdf Select different format than A4 if needed, and PDF viewer respectively. Even % zcat `man -w ports` | groff -Tps -dpaper=a4 -P-pa4 -mandoc | gv - does work, omitting the PDF and presistent result file steps. In my opinion, man ports gives a good overview about all the targets common to ports, as well as the environmental variables that control the work of make in relation to the ports collection. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: no apache22, php5 cores
On 22/01/2011 01:23, Terrence Koeman wrote: Might also want to try 'lsof -nPi |grep LISTEN', that shows what process is listening as well. Maybe not really added value here, but it sure helps when you're troubleshooting address/port in use errors and such. sockstat(1) does this job and it is part of the base system. To show listening IPv4 and IPv6 network sockets: sockstat -4 -6 -l Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: troubles rebuilding extensions.ini
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org writes: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 06:43:23AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 22:57:07 -0500, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: make rmconfig will remove/reset the config to factory default, then make config to restart fresh. And make rmconfig-recursive will do so for any other port the current port depends on. A very handy solution if the trouble hides in a dependency of a dependency... :-) Just see man ports for a list of all targets. Ye Gods. The ports manpage is almost unreadable. Not to mention full of non-ASCII bytes. I'm beat. Throwing in the towel for now. --Everything works except my own web server. Thanks to the list ... and that's it for now. It should not have any non-ASCII characters, or at least not properly displayable ones. That probably means that you have the wrong locale set for whatever your display is. If you just want to see only ASCII, then try 'LANG=C man ports'. If that doesn't work then try setting LC_ALL=C instead of LANG=C. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Burning a DVD
Hi, I tried to burn a dvd after doing setup according to the handbook. /boot/loader.conf: atapicam_load=YES hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 /etc/devfs.conf: linkacd0cdrom linkacd0dvd permacd00660 permpass0 0660 permxpt00660 ls -la /dev/acd0 crw-rw 1 root operator0, 98 22 Jan 19:26 /dev/acd0 But when I try growisofs -dvd-compat -dry-run -Z /dev/acd0 /path/to/video I get: :-( unable to CAMGETPASSTHRU for /dev/acd0: Inappropriate ioctl for device No matter if I try as regular user or as root the error message stays the same. Any ideas? Regards, Jens -- 22. Hartung 2011, 19:41 Homepage : http://www.jan0sch.de Cheit's Lament: If you help a friend in need, he is sure to remember you-- the next time he's in need. pgpPpt1qLlvch.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Burning a DVD
I've seen the future Jens = it is motto. 2011/01/22 19:47:18 +0100 Jens Jahnke jan0...@gmx.net = To freebsd questions : JJ growisofs -dvd-compat -dry-run -Z /dev/acd0 /path/to/video JJ :-( unable to CAMGETPASSTHRU for /dev/acd0: Inappropriate ioctl for JJ device JJ No matter if I try as regular user or as root the error message stays JJ the same. JJ Any ideas? Should you use cd0 but not acd0? cd0 should be detected as a scsi device emulated via the kernel from the acd0. 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Burning a DVD
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:47:18 +0100, Jens Jahnke jan0...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, I tried to burn a dvd after doing setup according to the handbook. /boot/loader.conf: atapicam_load=YES hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 /etc/devfs.conf: link acd0cdrom link acd0dvd perm acd00660 And HERE is the mistake: You need to specify the /dev/cd0 device which gets accessed by the ATAPICAM facility. The /dev/acd0 device does not understand SCSI commands. But when I try growisofs -dvd-compat -dry-run -Z /dev/acd0 /path/to/video I get: :-( unable to CAMGETPASSTHRU for /dev/acd0: Inappropriate ioctl for device Fully correct. See man growisofs for an explaination of what /dev/dvd refers to. You can either use growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=/path/to/file.iso or growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd -r -J /path/to/files if you have devfs.conf point dvd to cd0 - or you simply specify /dev/cd0 instead of /dev/dvd. No matter if I try as regular user or as root the error message stays the same. Of course. :-) Remember: ATA - /dev/acd0, ATAPICAM (SCSI over ATAPI) - /dev/cd0, and therefore /dev/dvd - /dev/cd0 for simplified access. Given you set the permissions correctly, burning DVDs as a non-root user should be no problem. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Burning a DVD
Hi, On 1/22/11 1:47 PM, Jens Jahnke wrote: Hi, I tried to burn a dvd after doing setup according to the handbook. /boot/loader.conf: atapicam_load=YES hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 /etc/devfs.conf: link acd0cdrom link acd0dvd perm acd00660 perm pass0 0660 perm xpt00660 ls -la /dev/acd0 crw-rw 1 root operator0, 98 22 Jan 19:26 /dev/acd0 But when I try growisofs -dvd-compat -dry-run -Z /dev/acd0 /path/to/video I get: :-( unable to CAMGETPASSTHRU for /dev/acd0: Inappropriate ioctl for device I believe you have to use /dev/cd0 when doing this. You should have a /dev/cd0 device after atapicam was loaded. Regards, -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
lightbulb? prob'ly not, but....
i'm still only part way thru my mail queue, but just tried a couple things that maybe will jog something with the list. first, i tried a telnet thought.org and it failed, but only by hanging. then i tried a telnet of ethic by its private ip. was refused instantly:: i cannot cut/paste in ctwm here on ethic, but it was # telnet 10.47.0.230 Trying ... telnet: connect to addr n.n.n.n: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remotr host Does the Connection refused signify anything in the bind/dns world. ? BEfore i portupgraded to bind97 from bind9, this kind of stuff worked. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.97a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
follow up...
something else, probly not related to my web/dns troubles is that for days i seem to be getting spammed with multiple copies of some mail. these dup mail are ones that i _have_ sub'd to. Just strange that this mail bug happened at the same time that my bind troubles began. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.97a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but....
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 22:33 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but [snip] # telnet 10.47.0.230 Trying ... telnet: connect to addr n.n.n.n: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remotr host Does the Connection refused signify anything in the bind/dns world. ? BEfore i portupgraded to bind97 from bind9, this kind of stuff worked. Seeing as you're not resolving any hostname it's not DNS. You also have not specified a port for telnet to connect to so it'll default to 23, which you probably don't want. Try 'telnet 10.47.0.230 80' (80 is the standard port for http). BTW, the 'Connection Refused' message means that the port is closed and sending a RST, which means that either nothing is listening on the port or that the system is sending RST's because of a firewall rule. If you haven't setup such rules you can assume the first to be the case. -- Regards, T. Koeman, MTh/BSc/BPsy; Technical Monk MediaMonks B.V. (www.mediamonks.com) Please quote relevant replies in correspondence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but....
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:22:51PM +0100, Terrence Koeman wrote: -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 22:33 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but [snip] # telnet 10.47.0.230 Trying ... telnet: connect to addr n.n.n.n: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remotr host Does the Connection refused signify anything in the bind/dns world. ? BEfore i portupgraded to bind97 from bind9, this kind of stuff worked. Seeing as you're not resolving any hostname it's not DNS. You also have not specified a port for telnet to connect to so it'll default to 23, which you probably don't want. Try 'telnet 10.47.0.230 80' (80 is the standard port for http). YES. I get into ethic as with a normal telnet; when i hit return, I see index.php; the source, not the web file that lynx of firefox shows. I'll KVM over to my desktop and cut/paste from there. BTW, the 'Connection Refused' message means that the port is closed and sending a RST, which means that either nothing is listening on the port or that the system is sending RST's because of a firewall rule. If you haven't setup such rules you can assume the first to be the case. wHat _should_ be listening on port 80 that isn't? -- Regards, T. Koeman, MTh/BSc/BPsy; Technical Monk MediaMonks B.V. (www.mediamonks.com) Please quote relevant replies in correspondence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.97a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but....
On 01/23/11 09:25, Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:22:51PM +0100, Terrence Koeman wrote: -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 22:33 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but [snip] # telnet 10.47.0.230 Trying ... telnet: connect to addr n.n.n.n: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remotr host Does the Connection refused signify anything in the bind/dns world. ? BEfore i portupgraded to bind97 from bind9, this kind of stuff worked. Seeing as you're not resolving any hostname it's not DNS. You also have not specified a port for telnet to connect to so it'll default to 23, which you probably don't want. Try 'telnet 10.47.0.230 80' (80 is the standard port for http). YES. I get into ethic as with a normal telnet; when i hit return, I see index.php; the source, not the web file that lynx of firefox shows. I'll KVM over to my desktop and cut/paste from there. BTW, the 'Connection Refused' message means that the port is closed and sending a RST, which means that either nothing is listening on the port or that the system is sending RST's because of a firewall rule. If you haven't setup such rules you can assume the first to be the case. wHat _should_ be listening on port 80 that isn't? Apache or any other http server -- Regards, T. Koeman, MTh/BSc/BPsy; Technical Monk MediaMonks B.V. (www.mediamonks.com) Please quote relevant replies in correspondence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: follow up...
On 01/23/11 07:43, Gary Kline wrote: something else, probly not related to my web/dns troubles is that for days i seem to be getting spammed with multiple copies of some mail. these dup mail are ones that i _have_ sub'd to. Just strange that this mail bug happened at the same time that my bind troubles began. Is it related to the threads you have been posting? You'll get multiples of those even if others are replying to replied posts. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but....
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 00:26 To: Terrence Koeman Cc: Gary Kline; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:22:51PM +0100, Terrence Koeman wrote: -Original Message- questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Gary Kline Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 22:33 [snip] # telnet 10.47.0.230 Trying ... telnet: connect to addr n.n.n.n: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remotr host Does the Connection refused signify anything in the bind/dns world. [snip] Seeing as you're not resolving any hostname it's not DNS. You also have not specified a port for telnet to connect to so it'll default to 23, which you probably don't want. Try 'telnet 10.47.0.230 80' (80 is the standard port for http). YES. I get into ethic as with a normal telnet; when i hit return, I see index.php; the source, not the web file that lynx of firefox shows. I'll KVM over to my desktop and cut/paste from there. That is what is supposed to happen. This step is just to see what telnet returns: timeout, connection refused or some page. If you get some page then there's a webserver on port 80 that is serving you *something* at least. BTW, the 'Connection Refused' message means that the port is closed and sending a RST, which means that either nothing is listening on the port or that the system is sending RST's because of a firewall rule. If you haven't setup such rules you can assume the first to be the case. wHat _should_ be listening on port 80 that isn't? Well, if you saw page source then there's a webserver listening on port 80. -- Regards, T. Koeman, MTh/BSc/BPsy; Technical Monk MediaMonks B.V. (www.mediamonks.com) Please quote relevant replies in correspondence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Configuration of Ath0
Hello, I have a Wireless card with Atherneros chipset, a have problem with runing wlan on mode N? Can you halp me? I done instalation of that with that how to: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-wireless.html, and It works on moge G. With regards, Hubert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but....
2011-01-22 22:33, Gary Kline: first, i tried a telnet thought.org and it failed, but only by hanging. then i tried a telnet of ethic by its private ip. was refused instantly:: i cannot cut/paste in ctwm here on ethic, but it was # telnet 10.47.0.230 Trying ... telnet: connect to addr n.n.n.n: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remotr host Does the Connection refused signify anything in the bind/dns world. ? No. It signify that n.n.n.n isn't listening on whatever port you try to connect to. BEfore i portupgraded to bind97 from bind9, this kind of stuff worked. Check your config. thought.org does not resolve: %telnet thought.org thought.org: hostname nor servname provided, or not known ethic.thought.org DO resolve. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: follow up...
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:25:05AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On 01/23/11 07:43, Gary Kline wrote: something else, probly not related to my web/dns troubles is that for days i seem to be getting spammed with multiple copies of some mail. these dup mail are ones that i _have_ sub'd to. Just strange that this mail bug happened at the same time that my bind troubles began. Is it related to the threads you have been posting? You'll get multiples of those even if others are replying to replied posts. More specifically, I think it's because people tend to group-reply rather than list-reply. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp1NfFpsv0xl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Colorized compiler/linker messages
Good Day, I have seen this for some time when building ports and was wondering how it was done. GCC when compiling and linking certain programs, ebook for example, emits messages in various colors. How is that done? Where does one find what the various colors are supposed to signify? Or, is it just because it's more appealing? Thank You, Michael ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Changing the MAC address on a LAN adapter
My Lenovo laptop running 8.1 has two ordinary Intel network adapters, a wired PRO/1000 with the em driver and a WiFi PRO/Wireless 5300 with the iwn driver. They work fine, but for either one if I use ifconfig to change the MAC address, the adapter won't actually work until I change the address back to the native one. Typical symptoms are endless DHCP queries with no response. Is this a known problem? As far as I know, it's supposed to work. R's, John PS: If you were wondering, obnoxious airport wifi that cuts you off after an hour and won't let you back on until the next day, keyed by MAC address. em0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection 7.0.5 port 0x1840-0x185f mem 0xf260-0xf261,0xf2625000-0xf2625fff irq 20 at device 25.0 on pci0 em0: Using MSI interrupt iwn0: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 5300 mem 0xf250-0xf2501fff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci3 iwn0: MIMO 3T3R, MoW, address 00:21:6a:b5:18:48 iwn0: [ITHREAD] iwn0: 11a rates: 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps iwn0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps iwn0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
bind97 from /bar/log/messages....
Can anybody spot what's messed up here and help me get back up? From earlier errors I added and then removed an A address label before the IN NS ns1.thought.org ... That was the only thing I could think of, and things still failed. HEre is the apropos part of the log: Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: starting BIND 9.7.2-P3 -c /var/named/etc/namedb/named.conf Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: built with '--localstatedir=/var' '--disable-linux-caps' '--disable-symtable' '--with-randomdev=/dev/random' '--with-openssl=/usr' '--with-libxml2=/usr/local' '--without-idn' '--enable-threads' '--prefix=/usr/local' '--mandir=/usr/local/man' '--infodir=/usr/local/info/' '--build=i386-portbld-freebsd7.3' 'build_alias=i386-portbld-freebsd7.3' 'CC=cc' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe' 'LDFLAGS= -rpath=/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib' 'CPP=cpp' 'CXX=c++' 'CXXFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe' Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in use Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: creating IPv4 interface em0 failed; interface ignored Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in use Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: creating IPv4 interface lo0 failed; interface ignored Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: not listening on any interfaces Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: couldn't add command channel 127.0.0.1#953: address in use Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: couldn't add command channel ::1#953: address in use Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in use Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: creating IPv4 interface em0 failed; interface ignored Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in use Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: creating IPv4 interface lo0 failed; interface ignored Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: zone thought.org/IN/internal: NS 'ns1.thought.org' has no address records (A or ) Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: zone thought.org/IN/internal: not loaded due to errors. Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: managed-keys-zone ./IN/internal: loading from master file 3bed2cb3a3acf7b6a8ef408420cc682d5520e26976d354254f528c965612054f.mkeys failed: file not found Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: managed-keys-zone ./IN/external: loading from master file 3c4623849a49a53911c4a3e48d8cead8a1858960bccdea7a1b978d73ec2f06d7.mkeys failed: file not found Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: running And regarding the managed-keys-zone I have no clue. i do have a file named rndc.key or suchlike, but that is as close as I can come to anything to do with that string. ...So hope some of you DNS wizards know. tia, gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.97a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but....
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:25:01 +0100
From: Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net
Subject: Re: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but
thought.org does not resolve:
'irrelevant, and immaterial'. grin
%telnet thought.org
thought.org: hostname nor servname provided, or not known
'thought.org' does _not_ need to resolve. it is a 'domain-name', not a 'host'.
'r-bonomi.com' doesn't resolve either. but hosts _under_ that domain do.
In the real world, this means =only= that one cannot use http://{domain.name}
to reach a home page. one has to use http://{host.domain.name} instead
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Re: Colorized compiler/linker messages
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Jan 22 20:10:21 2011 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:00:52 -0600 From: Michael D. Norwick mnorw...@centurytel.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Colorized compiler/linker messages Good Day, I have seen this for some time when building ports and was wondering how it was done. GCC when compiling and linking certain programs, ebook for example, emits messages in various colors. How is that done? Whatever it is that is writing the messages is putting out 'terminal control' character strings that specify the color. Where does one find what the various colors are supposed to signify? Read the _complete_ documentation for 'whatever it is' that is producing the messages. The colors signify 'whatever it is' that the author of that software chose to represent with that color. There are *NO* universal standards for such things. Or, is it just because it's more appealing? (A) appealing is in the eye of the beholder. (B) *why* 'somebody' did something/anything is known *only* to the party that actually _did_ it. You can ether ask *them* or get uninformed speculation from third parties. In broad, diagsnotic messages can be divided into a minimum of 4 'classes' (finer gradation is always possible): diagnostic -- 'gory details' of what the program is doing internally, to find out where what it is actually doing is different from what one 'expects' it to be doing. informational -- things you might 'want to know about', but do not indicate potentially incorrect operation. warning -- things which *probably* indicate a problem, but might be 'as intended' error -- something which is, without question, incorrect, and prevents proper program operation. A developer -might- use different colors for different 'classes' of messages, so that an experienced user of that program (who 'knows' what color is used for what) can tell 'at a glance' the serverity of the thing being reported. [ see (B), above, as regards applicability to -your- situationn ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: bind97 from /bar/log/messages....
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Jan 22 22:08:52 2011
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 20:00:47 -0800
From: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org
To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc:
Subject: bind97 from /bar/log/messages
Can anybody spot what's messed up here and help me get back up?
From earlier errors I added and then removed an A address label
before the IN NS ns1.thought.org ... That was the only thing I could
think of, and things still failed.
Here is the apropos part of the log:
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: starting BIND 9.7.2-P3 -c
/var/named/etc/namedb/named.conf
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: built with '--localstatedir=/var'
'--disable-linux-caps' '--disable-symtable'
'--with-randomdev=/dev/random' '--with-openssl=/usr'
'--with-libxml2=/usr/local' '--without-idn' '--enable-threads'
'--prefix=/usr/local' '--mandir=/usr/local/man'
'--infodir=/usr/local/info/' '--build=i386-portbld-freebsd7.3'
'build_alias=i386-portbld-freebsd7.3' 'CC=cc' 'CFLAGS=-O2
-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe' 'LDFLAGS=
-rpath=/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib' 'CPP=cpp' 'CXX=c++' 'CXXFLAGS=-O2
-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe'
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in
use
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: creating IPv4 interface address in use
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: creating IPv4 interface em0 failed;
interface ignored
**PROBLEM** _something_ is already using the port named is trying to listen
on, for an IPv4 address associated with interface em0
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in
use
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: creating IPv4 interface lo0 failed;
interface ignored
**PROBLEM** _something_ is already listening on the specified port on the
loopback (lo0) interface, as well.
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: not listening on any interfaces
**PROBLEM** the 'something' beat this invocation of 'named' to the punch on
_all_ the interfaces it was trying to listen on for queries. dead in the water.
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: couldn't add command channel
127.0.0.1#953: address in use
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: couldn't add command channel ::1#953:
address in use
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in
use
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: creating IPv4 interface em0 failed;
interface ignored
**PROBLEM** _something_ is already using the 'control' port named is trying to
use, for an IPv4 address associated with interface em0
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: could not listen on UDP socket: address in
use
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: creating IPv4 interface lo0 failed;
interface ignored
**PROBLEM** _something_ is already using the 'control' port named is trying to
use, for an IPv4 address associated with the loopback interface.
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: zone thought.org/IN/internal: NS
'ns1.thought.org' has no address records (A or )
**PROBLEM** in the config file being used.
you have a line that declares IN NS ns1.thought.org,
but *NO* line ns1.thought.org IN A {IPv4 address}
or ns1.thought.org IN A {[IPv6 address]}
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: zone thought.org/IN/internal: not loaded
due to errors.
**PROBLEM** entire zone file ignored due to errors ini it.
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: managed-keys-zone ./IN/internal: loading
from master file
3bed2cb3a3acf7b6a8ef408420cc682d5520e26976d354254f528c965612054f.mkeys
failed: file not found
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: managed-keys-zone ./IN/external: loading
from master file
3c4623849a49a53911c4a3e48d8cead8a1858960bccdea7a1b978d73ec2f06d7.mkeys
failed: file not found
Jan 22 19:44:54 ethic named[2069]: running
Running, but doing nothing. sigh
And regarding the managed-keys-zone I have no clue. i do have a file
named rndc.key or suchlike, but that is as close as I can come to
anything to do with that string. ...So hope some of you DNS wizards
know.
tia,
gary
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{kl...@thought.org} Your email is screwed up, AGAIN! ( Re: bind97 from /bar/log/messages....)
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 22:42:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - kl...@thought.org (reason: 550 5.7.1 kl...@thought.org... Relaying denied. Proper authentication required.) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to ethic.thought.org.: DATA 550 5.7.1 kl...@thought.org... Relaying denied. Proper authentication required. 550 5.1.1 kl...@thought.org... User unknown 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Colorized compiler/linker messages
On Sat 22 Jan 2011 at 18:00:52 PST Michael D. Norwick wrote: Good Day, I have seen this for some time when building ports and was wondering how it was done. GCC when compiling and linking certain programs, ebook for example, emits messages in various colors. How is that done? Where does one find what the various colors are supposed to signify? Or, is it just because it's more appealing? CMake can be used to generate Makefiles that produce colorized output, and I would wager that it's being used by most of the ports where you're seeing color. But there are many tools a developer might use for this. For example, I found this in my bookmarks file: http://phil.freehackers.org/pretty-make/index.html I think it's mostly aesthetics, but some people claim that using different colors for different build steps makes it easier to monitor the progress of the build. For example, if the link or install steps are a different color than the configuration or compile steps, you can see that the build is in its final stages even if you're on the other side of the room. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
help requested in fixing disk label mistake
A couple of days ago, I reorganized the internal hard drive of my machine to reclaim space that used to be occupied by another operating system for use with my now exclusively FreeBSD system. I used a stand-alone partition manager to edit the slices down to just two slices. I then attempted to bsdlabel the first slice, but made a bit of a slip. When I should have typed bsdlabel -w ad0s1 I actually typed bsdlabel -w da0s1 Oops. I went ahead with the work on the internal drive (ad0), and the system is up and running fine. Now I'd like to try to fix the damage done to the external drive that I relabeled by mistake. That drive's layout before the damage was done was a single slice, divided into two partitions (da0s1 and da0s2), each of which was then glabel'ed. The moment I rewrote the bsdlabel for the first slice by mistake, the two partitions' entries in /dev/label vanished, of course. I checked and discovered that the only external drive for which I had not kept backup copies of the bsdlabel information was that drive. :-( Fortunately, the full backups of the file systems that I needed to reload onto the internal drive were in the first partition of the external drive in question (used to be s1d, now s1a for the time being), so by mounting /dev/da0s1a I still had full access to the file system containing the backups. My hypothesis is if I can somehow rewrite a correct bsdlabel for the affected slice, that the system will then recognize the glabel metadata for the two partitions immediately, and the /dev/label entries will appear right away like magic. Unfortunately, without a backup file of the bsdlabel information, I'm unsure how to accomplish that. Is there some way that I can discover the exact size in sectors of the first partition, so that I could edit the bsdlabel information and redefine it as two partitions of the correct sizes and offsets? Is there some field in dumpfs(8) output that would give me what I need (allowing, of course, for the fact that the first partition is actually one sector longer than anything dumpfs(8) would know about due to the glabel metadata in the final sector of the partition)? Or is my hypothesis stated above actually incorrect, and if so, why/how? PLEASE send any replies to ME DIRECTLY (or at least Cc: me directly) because I receive this list in digest form and am at least a week and a half behind on my reading. :-} Thanks much in advance for any helpful ideas. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: help requested in fixing disk label mistake
I just wrote: A couple of days ago, I reorganized the internal hard drive of my machine to reclaim space that used to be occupied by another operating system for use with my now exclusively FreeBSD system. I used a stand-alone partition manager to edit the slices down to just two slices. I then attempted to bsdlabel the first slice, but made a bit of a slip. When I should have typed bsdlabel -w ad0s1 I actually typed bsdlabel -w da0s1 Oops. I went ahead with the work on the internal drive (ad0), and the system is up and running fine. Now I'd like to try to fix the damage done to the external drive that I relabeled by mistake. That drive's layout before the damage was done was a single slice, divided into two partitions (da0s1 and ^ da0s2), each of which was then glabel'ed. The moment I rewrote the bsdlabel ^ Yet another pair of mistakes on my part. Those should have said da0s1d and da0s1e. Sorry for any confusion. for the first slice by mistake, the two partitions' entries in /dev/label vanished, of course. I checked and discovered that the only external drive for which I had not kept backup copies of the bsdlabel information was that drive. :-( Fortunately, the full backups of the file systems that I needed to reload onto the internal drive were in the first partition of the external drive in question (used to be s1d, now s1a for the time being), so by mounting /dev/da0s1a I still had full access to the file system containing the backups. My hypothesis is if I can somehow rewrite a correct bsdlabel for the affected slice, that the system will then recognize the glabel metadata for the two partitions immediately, and the /dev/label entries will appear right away like magic. Unfortunately, without a backup file of the bsdlabel information, I'm unsure how to accomplish that. Is there some way that I can discover the exact size in sectors of the first partition, so that I could edit the bsdlabel information and redefine it as two partitions of the correct sizes and offsets? Is there some field in dumpfs(8) output that would give me what I need (allowing, of course, for the fact that the first partition is actually one sector longer than anything dumpfs(8) would know about due to the glabel metadata in the final sector of the partition)? Or is my hypothesis stated above actually incorrect, and if so, why/how? PLEASE send any replies to ME DIRECTLY (or at least Cc: me directly) because I receive this list in digest form and am at least a week and a half behind on my reading. :-} Thanks much in advance for any helpful ideas. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Configuration of Ath0
On 01/23/11 10:38, Hubert Chadaj wrote: Hello, I have a Wireless card with Atherneros chipset, a have problem with runing wlan on mode N? Can you halp me? I done instalation of that with that how to: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-wireless.html, and It works on moge G. Have you got an N access point? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: follow up...
On 01/23/11 11:37, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:25:05AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On 01/23/11 07:43, Gary Kline wrote: something else, probly not related to my web/dns troubles is that for days i seem to be getting spammed with multiple copies of some mail. these dup mail are ones that i _have_ sub'd to. Just strange that this mail bug happened at the same time that my bind troubles began. Is it related to the threads you have been posting? You'll get multiples of those even if others are replying to replied posts. More specifically, I think it's because people tend to group-reply rather than list-reply. Actually the consensus on this list _is_ to hit reply all- some only get digest or are not even subscribed, so they won't receive posts only posted to the list. Unfortunately that can mean you can continue receiving replies not necessarily directly to your own posts. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Networking problem running inside Virtualbox
I'm trying to track down a problem that seems to have been introduced after FreeBSD 8.0. I'm trying to install FreeBSD inside a virtualbox guest whose host is a Win7 64bit box running Vbox 4.0.2 PC-BSD based on FreeBSD 8.0 works fine. But FreeBSD 8.1 does not. Here is what does not work means in my case. Depending on the specific network adapter emulated in Vbox for FreeBSD I get the following: PC-Net II (works) PC-Net III (no dhcp address setup) Intel Pro/1000 MT Desktop (dhcp works, but network stack somehow does not. No network connectivity after dhcp assignment.) Intel Pro/1000 T Server (same as MT Desktop) Intel Pro/1000 MT Server (same as MT Desktop) I posted this question on the virutalbox mailing list and got a reply from someone else who is tracking the same issue I am, but neither of us have an answer. Because FreeBSD 8.0 works no matter what ethernet card is simulated and because PC-Net II still does work in 8.1, I suspect that FreeBSD is the culprit, but I can't prove it. All my other OSes work fine its just FreeBSD that gives me fits. I'm willing to make this problem report better, but I don't really understand how to debug this in the vm container. What information would be helpful? Rance ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: bind97 from /bar/log/messages....
On 01/23/11 14:00, Gary Kline wrote: Can anybody spot what's messed up here and help me get back up? From earlier errors I added and then removed an A address label before the IN NS ns1.thought.org ... That was the only thing I could think of, and things still failed. HEre is the apropos part of the log: snip Sometimes you just get to the point where you just want a straight-forward answer to things because you've had enough :) I'm there now myself, so I can relate. So... 1. Are you sure named (bind9.x's executable) is not already running? Usually if it is already running you would incant rndc reload. 2. You need an address record for named server host- ns1.thought.org. So you need in your zone file (this is taking a bit of remembering now- been a while since I had to edit mine... :) ): SOA NS ns1.thought.org. ; don't forget the period at the end other ns/mx servers A ip address of web server ; OPTIONAL: this will allow users to just enter domain and go straight to the web server. You can also simply CNAME hosts with the same address. $ORIGIN thought.org. ; saves you typing - now just type in the hosts and domain will be auto added (again don't forget the period) ns1A ip address of NS That should get you out of trouble. The optional stuff makes it easier for your users, and for you to maintain. Don't forget to increment your serial :) Now, I think you should be checking your mail server ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but....
2011-01-23 05:07, Robert Bonomi: Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:25:01 +0100 From: Bernt Hanssonbe...@bah.homeip.net Subject: Re: lightbulb? prob'ly not, but thought.org does not resolve: 'irrelevant, and immaterial'.grin %telnet thought.org thought.org: hostname nor servname provided, or not known 'thought.org' does _not_ need to resolve. it is a 'domain-name', not a 'host'. If you want access to that host it must resolve. 'r-bonomi.com' doesn't resolve either. but hosts _under_ that domain do. Yes? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
My Asterisk server is trying to drive me insane
I have a FreeBSD 8.1 pf firewall, and a FreeBSD 8.1 system running
Asterisk 1.8. I have been hammering at this for a few weeks now with
little forward progress. I'm about to go nuts trying to figure out what
the hell is going on.
I have set up asterisk to trunk to my provider, and originally I
couldn't get incoming calls working but I could ring out- I'm happy to
report I can now receive incoming calls, but annoyingly now I can't ring
out!
In order to get incoming calls I had to upgrade from asterisk 1.4 - 1.8
and change my firewall settings:
$voip = asterisk server
$nodephone = provider server
$voip_tcp = 5060
$voip_udp = { 5060, 4569, 5036, 2727 }
nat on $ext_if inet proto { tcp, udp } from any port $voip_tcp to any -
($ext_if) port $voip_tcp
rdr on $ext_if inet proto { tcp, udp } from any to ($ext_if) port
$voip_tcp - $voip port $voip_tcp
rdr on $ext_if inet proto { tcp, udp } from $voip port $voip_tcp to any
port $voip_tcp - ($ext_if) port $voip_tcp
block log (all, log)
block in quick on $ext_if from $no_route_ips to any
block out quick on $ext_if from any to $no_route_ips
pass in $log on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to $voip port $voip_tcp
flags S/SA keep state
pass in $log on $ext_if inet proto udp from any to $voip port $voip_udp
keep state
pass out $log on $int_if inet proto udp from any port $voip_udp to $voip
port $voip_udp keep state
pass out $log on $int_if inet proto tcp from any port $voip_tcp to $voip
port $voip_tcp flags S/SA keep state
pass out $log on $ext_if from $localnet to any
Everything appears to work, but the provider comes back with 200 and
asterisk seems to do nothing and so it times out and errors with what it
says is circuit busy from the provider.
tcpdump from both m/c's shows traffic to and from the asterisk server
and the provider on port 5060, but rtp traffic (port 2+) between the
provider and asterisk only when an incoming call comes in, and between
asterisk and the client.
Also in the invites from asterisk to the provider it says audio at port
5060.
Am I missing something? I've tried the Asterisk list but I've gotten
only one miniscule reply in nearly a weeks time, and my provider will
not support Asterisk and won't say boo (mainly dependent on who you talk
to at the time)- the only thing I get is its working their end (yay for
them... :P).
Incidentally, their only response (to any problems with the service:
asterisk, ata's, whatever) is to open up all ports between our server
and your server/ata. Apparently they automagically get around nat
issues so nat is not necessary. But my main issue with that is what
happens if someone spoofs their ip address? Not to mention I want to
host this service (not their trunk, but my services) so I need to be
able to accept from more than just their server. They don't seem to be
able to track the ports they're using.
The only change I can tell is the upgrade to 1.8 and firewall settings
that now allow me to receive calls- am I doomed to have only one or the
other :( ?
Any clues before I lose all my hair guys?
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