Cannot create 2nd gmirror
Hello Everyone, I have system with gmirror gm0: # gmirror list Geom name: gm0 State: COMPLETE Components: 2 Balance: round-robin Slice: 4096 Flags: NONE GenID: 0 SyncID: 1 ID: 3516398316 Providers: 1. Name: mirror/gm0 Mediasize: 320072932864 (298G) Sectorsize: 512 Mode: r5w5e14 Consumers: 1. Name: ad8 Mediasize: 320072933376 (298G) Sectorsize: 512 Mode: r1w1e1 State: ACTIVE Priority: 0 Flags: NONE GenID: 0 SyncID: 1 ID: 95660722 2. Name: ad10 Mediasize: 320072933376 (298G) Sectorsize: 512 Mode: r1w1e1 State: ACTIVE Priority: 0 Flags: NONE GenID: 0 SyncID: 1 ID: 632264112 I am trying to add a second gmirror, gm1: # sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=16 kern.geom.debugflags: 16 - 16 # gmirror label -v -b round-robin gm1 /dev/ad4 Metadata value stored on /dev/ad4. Done. # gmirror insert gm1 /dev/ad6 gmirror: No such device: gm1. Why does gm1 fail to be created? -- Janos Dohanics ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: best way to bind webserver to port 80 without running as root
On 01/04/2012 11:10 AM, Dino Vliet wrote: Hi all, suddenly I'm facing this quest on freebsd 8. I need to bind my little webserver running aolserver to port 80. In the past I was always using port 8080 and had my router configured to forward requests on port 80 to the server on port 8080. However, I am planning to host my little site on a virtual server with a hosting company and figuredI can't use the workaround I always used. So my question is, how to bind aolserver to port 80 without running as root as I understood ports below 1024 can only be used by root. I found a sysctl net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh which enables me to set it to 0. However, I don't know what the security ramifications are of using that. Are there any other options I could consider? Thanks Dino ___ freebsd-po...@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mac-portacl.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up front. If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey. If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments on the Internet would evaporate. Thanks for noticing! -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Well Chad, you crossed the line. I don't need any clarification to understand this last statement like a poor insult. Let's do an exercise; you need it: 1) popularity demagogy rights 2) lawyer demandrights By analogy: 1) bicycleroad wheel 2) Unix groupswheel See? In that first paragraph where I mention rights in a popular context, I am exactly denoting the bad use people do of the word rights. You killed the messenger. Talking about an audience is beyond my goal. I expect just a human being on the other side; not necessary too much cleaver or cultivated just not having a MS Word Spelling Checker by brain is enough. So, I will not waste my time in quoting, sub quoting and meta quoting myself with this is a metaphor; this is a sarcasm; this is a hyperbole; this is a joke to the infinite; I made this in the past with people like you and I know that it is a waste of time. Anyway, thanks for your teachings. Walter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Browser
Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for version 8.2? Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) Thanks, Daniel Lewis ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
Hi, Reference: From: Daniel Lewis innervisionnetw...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500 Message-id: cahsizg-op0mo79qawg2grlyleatkcip8iabq+0ayqvk7idz...@mail.gmail.com Daniel Lewis wrote: Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for version 8.2? Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) su cd /usr/ports/www/firefox ; make install This fetches then builds from source code Or to install binaries man pkg_add Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
On 01/04/2012 01:17 PM, Daniel Lewis wrote: Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for version 8.2? Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) Thanks, Daniel Lewis Hi Daniel, It depends on your preferences. You can read up on: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html I like Midori a lot and the default Gnome browser Epiphany. If you have the flash plugin installed like explained in de document link, both will also play video's. Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for version 8.2? Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) You will get many different answers for this question. :-) What are your primary requirements for a web browser? Do you have experiences with browsers so you can say which kind you want to use? Personally, I'm a long-time user of Opera. I've installed it from ports, but it should be no big deal to use the precompiled package version. Intermission: Read the handbook section about how to install software on FreeBSD. I'd also recommend the chapter about web browsers. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html You'll find that it is very easy to follow the advice given in the Handbook and have your web browser running very quickly. Back on topic: I've also installed the Linux plugins so I can enjoy (bah!) Flash stuff if required. Note that those are already a bit out of date: opera-11.50 opera-linuxplugins-11.50 linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5 swfdec-0.8.4_3 swfdec-plugin-0.8.2_3 You can get a similar functionality with Firefox, which is my secondary browser. I'm still using version 6.0.1, but newer ones are already in the ports collection. However, there's a real fleet of web browsers waiting for you around the corner. If you're already using a desktop environment, try their built-in browsers, like for example Konqueror or Galeon or Epiphany. For some minimalism, there's lynx or dillo. And there are many more. See what /usr/ports/www has to offer. After trying many, I've always come back to Opera, as its mouse and keyboard support (!) is very well designed, the browser is fast, the UI can be turned into something usable, and it supports all the stuff I need. I don't say that Firefox is not good, but for _my_ individual needs and habits, Opera is just a little bit better suited, that's all. If you have concerns regarding web browsers spying at your browsing habits and reporting them to the authorities, maybe you re-consider using Opera. Keep in mind that even if it's free, it's not really open, if I remember correctly. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
On 01/04/2012 01:59 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Hi, Reference: From:Daniel Lewis innervisionnetw...@gmail.com Date:Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500 Message-id: cahsizg-op0mo79qawg2grlyleatkcip8iabq+0ayqvk7idz...@mail.gmail.com Daniel Lewis wrote: Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for version 8.2? Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) su cd /usr/ports/www/firefox ; make install This fetches then builds from source code Or to install binaries man pkg_add Cheers, Julian To follow up. Midori and Epiphany are not explained in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html as root: cd /usr/ports/www/midori make install clean Epiphany comes with the gnome desktop environment, which is mentioned in the Handbook also. I don't use/install the Java plugin, only flash Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
On 04/01/2012 00:57, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: um, well, yeah, but it's a laptop. :/ And I bought it before FreeBSD ever crossed my mind.sigh Replacing the Realtek with a supported wireless card may be as easy as undoing a plate on the bottom of the machine, unclipping the old one and clipping in the new one. They are pretty cheap to buy on ebay. Your wireless card is probably mini pci-e: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313_nkw=mini+pci-e+wireless+card_sacat=See-All-Categories An older style is mini pci. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MiniPCI_and_MiniPCI_Express_cards.jpg It may require removing the keyboard which is a bit harder but quite doable. Generally you get into a laptop by carefully levering off the cover at the back of the keyboard. A service manual is a big help and can often be found with some googling. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order
Hi,
Devin Teske wrote:
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Polytropon
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 1:00 PM
To: Dan Nelson
Cc: FreeBSD Questions
Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to
creation
order
On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:02 -0600, Dan Nelson wrote:
If you ask for the date to be printed in float (F) format, it gives
more precision. The default is unsigned int (U) format.
% stat -f %N %FB /COPYRIGHT
/COPYRIGHT 1306190895.046721049
Strangely, I only get a 0 suffix for any time stamp, no matter if
I
create
the file or apply the command as shown above to an existing file:
% stat -f %N %FB /COPYRIGHT
/COPYRIGHT 1313951230.0
Am I missing some file system feature?
Otherwise, this _exactly_ looks like what I'm searching for. It doesn't need
to be
a human-readable date representation.
by the way, I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/x86 of late August 2011 here,
file
system used is UFS2.
On ZFS, all is well...
% df -hT /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT
Filesystem TypeSizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on
raid1/jails/package8-1 zfs 835G672M835G 0%
/raid1/jails/package8-1
% stat -f %N %FB /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT
/raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT 1324356049.328275367
But alas, on UFS2:
% df -hT /COPYRIGHT
Filesystem TypeSizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/mfid0s1a ufs 989M 64M846M 7%/
% stat -f %N %FB /COPYRIGHT
/COPYRIGHT 1279505857.0
--
Devin
I was wondering how df ( stat) could show more than seconds
(Remembering back to 1990 my
http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/statv/
when Unix used unsigned long seconds since 1 jan 1970
( MSDOS was seconds divided by 2 since 1 jan 1980 )
)
FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE /usr/src/usr.bin/stat/stat.c
line 320 etc still uses the normal fstat stat lstat.
But man 2 stat has extended :
#ifndef _POSIX_SOURCE
#define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec
#define st_mtime st_mtimespec.tv_sec
#define st_ctime st_ctimespec.tv_sec
#endif
cd /usr/include/sys ; vi -c/tv_sec /types.h stat.h
#if __BSD_VISIBLE
#define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec
struct timespec
#include sys/time.h
time.h: #include sys/timespec.h
timespec.h:
struct timespec {time_t tv_sec;/* seconds */ long tv_nsec;/* nanoseconds */};
I guess extended timespec may get compiled in to VFS but not UFS,
but no time to look further, Good luck Polytropn.
PS Here with UFS (per Dan's tip, thanks) I see:
sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision=2 ; stat -f %N %FB /etc/motd
/etc/motd 1306839862.0
Cheers,
Julian
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Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:01:32 +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Hi,
Devin Teske wrote:
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Polytropon
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 1:00 PM
To: Dan Nelson
Cc: FreeBSD Questions
Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to
creation
order
On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:02 -0600, Dan Nelson wrote:
If you ask for the date to be printed in float (F) format, it gives
more precision. The default is unsigned int (U) format.
% stat -f %N %FB /COPYRIGHT
/COPYRIGHT 1306190895.046721049
Strangely, I only get a 0 suffix for any time stamp, no matter
if I
create
the file or apply the command as shown above to an existing file:
% stat -f %N %FB /COPYRIGHT
/COPYRIGHT 1313951230.0
Am I missing some file system feature?
Otherwise, this _exactly_ looks like what I'm searching for. It doesn't
need
to be
a human-readable date representation.
by the way, I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/x86 of late August 2011 here,
file
system used is UFS2.
On ZFS, all is well...
% df -hT /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT
Filesystem TypeSizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on
raid1/jails/package8-1 zfs 835G672M835G 0%
/raid1/jails/package8-1
% stat -f %N %FB /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT
/raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT 1324356049.328275367
But alas, on UFS2:
% df -hT /COPYRIGHT
Filesystem TypeSizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on
/dev/mfid0s1a ufs 989M 64M846M 7%/
% stat -f %N %FB /COPYRIGHT
/COPYRIGHT 1279505857.0
The idea of changing the sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision
to the value 3 worked on UFS for me. But it doesn't seem
to be the default.
Another problem might be when dealing with files that are
stored on a filesystem type different from UFS...
I was wondering how df ( stat) could show more than seconds
(Remembering back to 1990 my
http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/statv/
when Unix used unsigned long seconds since 1 jan 1970
( MSDOS was seconds divided by 2 since 1 jan 1980 )
)
FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE /usr/src/usr.bin/stat/stat.c
line 320 etc still uses the normal fstat stat lstat.
But man 2 stat has extended :
#ifndef _POSIX_SOURCE
#define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec
#define st_mtime st_mtimespec.tv_sec
#define st_ctime st_ctimespec.tv_sec
#endif
The st_birthtime field would be the required one for
sorting here (and defaults, per definition, to seconds).
The man 1 stat mentions that stat uses the stat and
lstat system system calls, so this would be the value
that will be retrieved of no finer time can be
accessed (which would mean zeros here).
cd /usr/include/sys ; vi -c/tv_sec /types.h stat.h
#if __BSD_VISIBLE
#define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec
structtimespec
#include sys/time.h
time.h: #include sys/timespec.h
timespec.h:
struct timespec {time_t tv_sec;/* seconds */ long tv_nsec;/* nanoseconds */};
I guess extended timespec may get compiled in to VFS but not UFS,
but no time to look further, Good luck Polytropn.
At least that's a starting point. I see that changing
the sysctl mentioned above seems to be sufficient for
the current purpose. However, I'd like to see the system
defaulting (!) to a resolution better than seconds, as
this is definitely possible.
PS Here with UFS (per Dan's tip, thanks) I see:
sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision=2 ; stat -f %N %FB /etc/motd
/etc/motd 1306839862.0
That's understandable, as the finer time will
be generated only upon file _creation_; for files
that are already present, 0 is the typical
result.
# sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision=3
vfs.timestamp_precision: 0 - 3
And then:
% touch hickup.txt
% stat -f %N %FB hickup.txt
hickup.txt 1325686735.035925369
In comparison:
% stat -f %N %FB /etc/motd
/etc/motd 1309547364.0
which has been created prior to changing the
vfs.timestamp_precision sysctl.
--
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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RE: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun
Thanks for responding. Auto-boot is set to true and the boot device is set to disk. When it boots, this is displayed: FreeBSD/Sparc64 boot block boot path: /pci@8,60/SUNW/glc@4/fp@0,0/disk@w2104cf2fa3a3,0:a boot loader: /boot/loader file /boot/loader not found Program terminated Printenv shows boot-device is set to disk. Thanks, Leonard -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of James Edwards Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:09 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun On Tue, January 3, 2012 15:33, Miller, Leonard wrote: Hi, I have tried installing 8.2 Sparc on a Sun system multiple times, using different options, and each time I do, it takes me back to the initial options screen, where I have to exit the install, forcing it to halt. I am never prompted to install a boot manager or anything else. I always get through the install process, installing packages, adding users, network settings, etc. Your install experience sounds normal and successful. When you are finished and exit the installer, it should take you to the openboot prompt. All you *should* need to do is type in 'boot', the system will reboot and boot to disk. You don't need to worry about a boot manager as multibooting isn't supported on this platform. When I power cycle the machine and change the boot settings back to defaults, it fails to boot. If it fails to boot, I'm assuming it is stopping at the OpenBoot prompt? Can you elaborate further? What happens when you type 'boot disk' at the openboot prompt? If it boots, auto-boot may not be set correctly, which can be rectified by 'setenv auto-boot? true' at the openboot prompt. If that does not work, what is the output of 'printenv' - specifically what is 'boot-device' set to? Also, some further reading on installing FreeBSD on sparc64: http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Sparc_-_Installing_FreeBSD -and for more detail- http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Installation_on_Ultra_5 Hope this helps, James ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up front. If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey. If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments on the Internet would evaporate. Thanks for noticing! Well Chad, you crossed the line. I don't need any clarification to understand this last statement like a poor insult. Let's do an exercise; you need it: Wait -- what? I responded to someone other than you who commented (humorously, I thought) on the fact that the majority of arguments on the Internet are about terminology. How the heck is that an insult to you? 1) popularity demagogy rights 2) lawyer demandrights By analogy: 1) bicycle road wheel 2) Unix groupswheel See? Not really. In that first paragraph where I mention rights in a popular context, I am exactly denoting the bad use people do of the word rights. You killed the messenger. I didn't kill the messenger. I tried pointing out a misuse of terms in the hope it would help people be clearer when talking to each other. This was not an attempt to belittle anyone. Beyond that, I don't know what the heck your problem might be. Talking about an audience is beyond my goal. I expect just a human being on the other side; not necessary too much cleaver or cultivated just not having a MS Word Spelling Checker by brain is enough. So, I will not waste my time in quoting, sub quoting and meta quoting myself with this is a metaphor; this is a sarcasm; this is a hyperbole; this is a joke to the infinite; I made this in the past with people like you and I know that it is a waste of time. Whenever one tries to make a point, one's audience (to a significant degree) *is* the point. That is, the person or people you are trying to influence, inform, or engage with whatever you are saying must be important, or you probably would not be trying to influence, inform, or sway that audience. It is thus a good idea to keep that audience in mind when choosing one's words, especially where clarity is intended. The only exception that comes immediately to mind is the case where you may actually *want* to confuse and annoy people, and spark flame wars on the Internet, but it was not my belief anyone was trying to do that in this case. It's nice that you can dismiss people as irrelevant or unreachable when they try offering information in the spirit of helpfulness and correctness so easily. It must make things easy for you, I guess, though in this case I am not really sure how. Anyway, thanks for your teachings. Given the fact you have declared what I said an insult for some reason, I suspect this is sarcastic -- but you're welcome anyway. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:17:55AM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi articulated: He did *NOT* ask the prior poster to explain why it _would_be_ morally correct...HE demanded that they explain why it *IS* morally correct... quote Would you please be so kind as to explain to me why ... /quote You consider that a demand? You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in favor of trivialities. If you prefer, pretend he said: HE asked that they explain why it *IS* morally correct... The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation. I am not bashful, as you may have noticed. I simple asked him to explain why such behavior would be morally acceptable. At that point he made the accusation that I had attributed such statements, directly or indirectly to him. I neither did, nor is there any evidence to support the claim that I had. Both of you choose to conveniently sidestep that simple fact. Although to his credit, he did explain his feelings on the matter. Saying it doesn't make it so -- and nobody sidestepped it. That was the very point of what Robert Bonomi said. It is, in fact, you who sidestepped his point. Now, if I asked you to explain the moral justification for the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, would I be accusing you of actually having written it? You don't think things through do you? No -- you'd just be interjecting a gigantic non-sequitur. Context matters, and in this case the context suggested your question to me was meant to imply that I somehow believed that one thing was morally correct and another was not. After all, there is no reasonable damned purpose to asking *me* why one thing is morally correct and another is not if you do not believe, or mean to imply, that I *believe* the one thing is morally correct and the other is not. The point, as it should be illustrated in your analogy, is that your question about the Thirteenth Amendment would not imply Robert Bonomi *wrote* it; rather, it would imply that he *agrees* with its moral justification. If I had to guess, of course, I would think he believes it is morally justified, but that's a wild-ass speculation, and not enough to induce me to expect *him* of all people to justify it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun
Ok, I got it. I did a reinstall and everything appears to be running well. I think it may have been the fact that there was no boot-file defined, but I'm not sure. Now I just need to figure out how to get a window manager running. Thanks, Leonard -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Miller, Leonard Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:40 AM To: James Edwards; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun Thanks for responding. Auto-boot is set to true and the boot device is set to disk. When it boots, this is displayed: FreeBSD/Sparc64 boot block boot path: /pci@8,60/SUNW/glc@4/fp@0,0/disk@w2104cf2fa3a3,0:a boot loader: /boot/loader file /boot/loader not found Program terminated Printenv shows boot-device is set to disk. Thanks, Leonard -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of James Edwards Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:09 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun On Tue, January 3, 2012 15:33, Miller, Leonard wrote: Hi, I have tried installing 8.2 Sparc on a Sun system multiple times, using different options, and each time I do, it takes me back to the initial options screen, where I have to exit the install, forcing it to halt. I am never prompted to install a boot manager or anything else. I always get through the install process, installing packages, adding users, network settings, etc. Your install experience sounds normal and successful. When you are finished and exit the installer, it should take you to the openboot prompt. All you *should* need to do is type in 'boot', the system will reboot and boot to disk. You don't need to worry about a boot manager as multibooting isn't supported on this platform. When I power cycle the machine and change the boot settings back to defaults, it fails to boot. If it fails to boot, I'm assuming it is stopping at the OpenBoot prompt? Can you elaborate further? What happens when you type 'boot disk' at the openboot prompt? If it boots, auto-boot may not be set correctly, which can be rectified by 'setenv auto-boot? true' at the openboot prompt. If that does not work, what is the output of 'printenv' - specifically what is 'boot-device' set to? Also, some further reading on installing FreeBSD on sparc64: http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Sparc_-_Installing_FreeBSD -and for more detail- http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Installation_on_Ultra_5 Hope this helps, James ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 01:29:41PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: On 04/01/2012 00:57, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: um, well, yeah, but it's a laptop. :/ And I bought it before FreeBSD ever crossed my mind.sigh Replacing the Realtek with a supported wireless card may be as easy as undoing a plate on the bottom of the machine, unclipping the old one and clipping in the new one. They are pretty cheap to buy on ebay. Your wireless card is probably mini pci-e: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313_nkw=mini+pci-e+wireless+card_sacat=See-All-Categories An older style is mini pci. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MiniPCI_and_MiniPCI_Express_cards.jpg It may require removing the keyboard which is a bit harder but quite doable. Generally you get into a laptop by carefully levering off the cover at the back of the keyboard. A service manual is a big help and can often be found with some googling. As someone who has actually done laptop technician work, professionally, I figure I should point out that the claim that generally you get into a laptop by carefully levering off the cover at the back of the keyboard is not strictly accurate in my experience. This is certainly true of certain models, but the reality is much more complex when you are not specifying a particular model or even a particular brand. ThinkPads, for instance, are not prone to this design, and the first thing one does when disassembling (most?) modern ThinkPads (after turning them off and removing the battery, of course) is turn them over to remove screws. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: pf not seeing inbound packets on netgraph interface
man 4 enc On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Edward Carrel aza...@carrel.org wrote: On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:12 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Thinking -pf@ or -net@ would be a better place to discuss this, more chances of getting an answer. I was wondering about that. I'll send my question to -net@ to start. Thanks. Out of curiosity why not use a gif interface ? I had that working just fine with racoon and was able to actually firewall traffic on it with PF, iirc. From what I understand of gif interfaces, they are useful when IPSec is handling the tunnel pretty much end-to-end, and just needs a passthrough interface to direct traffic to and from. If I am wrong about this, please let me know. The reason why I'm using netgraph instead is because the LNS is not run by me, and there is no other way of connecting to the other end but via L2TP/IPSec. If there is a way to use L2TP, and leverage a gif interface to complete the loop on my end, I'd be interested to hear about it. Thanks, Ed Carrel___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for version 8.2? Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and probably quite a few more answers than that. For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like Surf. For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the open source project behind Google Chrome). For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an interesting alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension for Firefox offers some of the same benefits). For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've used (which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System session to use it), there's w3m. Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look very soon. There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based browsers. In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer SeaMonkey. Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and Flock has a small but dedicated following. Conkeror, despite the similarity of its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be a Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides). I think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been ported to other OSes such as FreeBSD. I don't have a favorite. All browsers I have encountered disappoint me in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to giving it a try). Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs are browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which gets its own mention basically because it looks promising. For the negatives: Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I need. I have not tried yet. Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, and its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that keep me using it at all: the extensions. Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead. Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my preferences, and the extension system is very, very ad-hoc. I like some of the principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not think it is as well executed as it should have been. w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal flaw. It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used though. Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of the major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance). xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a new custom software installation project this week. Beyond that, I don't know what I may or may not dislike about it. the stuff in the paragraph listing a bunch of browsers - I like all of these less than any of the browsers I mentioned before this paragraph, for a variety of reasons. I hope that helps, in conjunction with the advice others provide. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:50:45AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up front. If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey. If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments on the Internet would evaporate. Thanks for noticing! Well Chad, you crossed the line. I don't need any clarification to understand this last statement like a poor insult. Let's do an exercise; you need it: Wait -- what? I responded to someone other than you who commented (humorously, I thought) on the fact that the majority of arguments on the Internet are about terminology. How the heck is that an insult to you? 1) popularity demagogy rights 2) lawyer demandrights By analogy: 1) bicycleroad wheel 2) Unix groupswheel See? Not really. The same happened to you with what I said about rights, you didn't see the point. Then based in your misunderstood you adventured yourself to teach me how to expose my thinking. I will teach you something about life: 1) Never underestimate what others say. 2) Never think you understand at a frist sight what others say an their aim. 3) Never think you have a clear idea about nothing. The day you reach this point of maturity you will not reach to false conclusions like the following: The only exception that comes immediately to mind is the case where you may actually *want* to confuse and annoy people, and spark flame wars on the Internet, but it was not my belief anyone was trying to do that in this case. Confuse and annoy people? Oh boy, confuse and annoy mature people is not so easy. Flame wars? I am not an adolescent, I have real problems in my life. Don't be stupid. It's nice that you can dismiss people as irrelevant or unreachable when they try offering information in the spirit of helpfulness and correctness so easily. It must make things easy for you, I guess, though in this case I am not really sure how. Both statements are the conclusion you reach about me and, believe me, are far of the true. I can do the same you are doing and judge you like someone that conscious of it own mediocrity knows that must play dirty. To take words, sentences or meanings out of the context to distort and discredit the others discourse is the typical trick of this kind of people. Other conclusion I could reach about you is you are afraid I rob your audience, yes this audience that you judge from your superior point of view like susceptible to be confused or annoyed. Jealously is other characteristic of people concious of its own mediocrity. That's why I put you clear it is not my interest to reach your audience, ergo I am not your enemy. But instead of all this shit I preferred first to think that your misunderstood came from you lack of association capabilities. I project my honesty in others in the same way you project your hypocrisy. The day you reach to understand the three points I told you above perhaps you will be able to make things easy for yourself. In the meanwhile, please don't try to correct what you are not able to understand. Correct yourself. Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Walter ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
8.2 on Sparc system
Is this a 32-bit Sparc system? If so, that may be your cause of failure. FreeBSD only supports Fujitsu-compatible UltraSparc processors (Sparc64). If you are trying on an older (say, 32-bit) Sparc system, it _will_ not_ work_ due to being unsupported hardware. Recheck the website about supported processors. Earl Bediant earlbedi...@yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Walter Alejandro Iglesias roque...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:50:45AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: Come on people, it may be entertaining, but this thread is ridiculously OT. Take it up privately or edit subject to OT please. And before anyone flips out and flames this I am referring to all the OT stuff, not just the last few posts. Keep the topic on FBSD and anything else please place OT or privately to keep the archives useful and also to respect everyone's choice to follow-up, or not, on the soap opera! Thanks, -- Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in favor of trivialities. If you prefer, pretend he said: HE asked that they explain why it *IS* morally correct... The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation. Robert's tirade is improvisatory and I pay no attention to it. In any case, he is probably back under his bridge now anyway. Both of you have continued to spew the same garbage while ignoring the simple fact that I did not attributed the statements you claim I did to you. In all of your accumulated bullshit you have failed to show one instance where I did make such a claim. Your attempts to muddy up the waters fails to prove anything other than your desperate attempt to justify your unproven statement. Seriously, this reminds me of a lesson all lawyers are taught: A lawyer's primer: If you don't have the law, you argue the facts; if you don't have the facts, you argue the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, then you argue the Constitution. Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think. I know decent people that I have disagreements with, I don't need a faceless one. Do you honestly believe that I really care about what some faceless name on a monitor writes, or if it bothers or influences me? Have you ever heard of narcissistic personality disorder aka NPD? Get over yourself -- nobody is that important. Chad, I don't want you GOING POSTAL(1), so if it makes you feel better, I will feed your psychosis. Whatever you think I said, I said. Now have a nice cup of warm milk and relax before you hurt yourself. End of problem and end of discussion. (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_postal ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
On 4 January 2012 07:59, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Hi, Reference: From: Daniel Lewis innervisionnetw...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500 Message-id: cahsizg-op0mo79qawg2grlyleatkcip8iabq+0ayqvk7idz...@mail.gmail.com Daniel Lewis wrote: Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for version 8.2? Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) su cd /usr/ports/www/firefox ; make install This fetches then builds from source code Or to install binaries man pkg_add If you have a few hours, lots of RAM, you'd like to stress- test your system: cd /usr/ports/www/chromium make install -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for version 8.2? Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and probably quite a few more answers than that. For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like Surf. For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the open source project behind Google Chrome). There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based browsers. www/links also has a graphic mode (-g) which can be quite useful. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
On 04/01/2012 16:21, Chad Perrin wrote: As someone who has actually done laptop technician work, professionally, You don't by any chance know where there is a service manual for OP's laptop in pdf format (or html)? I did a bit of googling but didn't find it. It's a Toshiba U505-S2950. Or maybe you could advise how to replace the wireless card in this particular machine... cheers Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:02:23PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: Confuse and annoy people? Oh boy, confuse and annoy mature people is not so easy. Flame wars? I am not an adolescent, I have real problems in my life. Don't be stupid. On that ironic note, I will cease trying to have any meaningful discussion with you right now. As pointed out by a bystander, this off-topicness has gone on long enough, and my most friendly overtures have been met only with flames in any case. Have a nice day. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:34:52PM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in favor of trivialities. If you prefer, pretend he said: HE asked that they explain why it *IS* morally correct... The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation. Both of you have continued to spew the same garbage while ignoring the simple fact that I did not attributed the statements you claim I did to you. I'll make this very, very simple for you: Why the heck would you have asked *me* of all people to explain why one is supposedly morally correct and the other is not? I did not say that was the case, and gave no indication I thought it was the case, so your strange action of asking *me* to justify that position -- especially when it seems there are much more appropriate targets for such a question in this discussion, according to your own words -- seems entirely out of place, pointless, meaningless, and misguided, *unless* you for some reason think *I* feel that distinction is justified. I'm going to ignore the rest of your obfuscations, and just focus on that for now. Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think. Why the heck did you ask for it, then? Do you honestly believe that I really care about what some faceless name on a monitor writes, or if it bothers or influences me? Why do you waste time asking people whose opinions you do not care to know what they think of something -- especially when the person has never even stated that he or she even believes that something (the moral distinction between anti-Microsoft statements and anti-FreeBSD statements) exists? Have you ever heard of narcissistic personality disorder aka NPD? Get over yourself -- nobody is that important. I can only assume you have not read what you, yourself, wrote. You asked me a question. Please explain why, if not because you wanted my answer. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
Thanks, all. I found a manual online. Jeff On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au wrote: On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 Da Rock articulated: On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** config-network-setup.htmlhttp://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html or the man page for ndiscvt: http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/**man.cgi?section=8topic=**ndiscvthttp://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8topic=ndiscvt While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) At http://sourceforge.net/apps/**mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.** php?title=Category:USBhttp://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. Indeed :) I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory- the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at the time :) I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to reforming the vendor. No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or financial reasons more than logical. Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :) Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had to do with my comments or not, I don't know). __**_ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questionshttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-** unsubscr...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
On 4 Jan 2012, at 16:54, Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for version 8.2? Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and probably quite a few more answers than that. For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like Surf. For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the open source project behind Google Chrome). For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an interesting alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension for Firefox offers some of the same benefits). For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've used (which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System session to use it), there's w3m. Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look very soon. There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based browsers. In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer SeaMonkey. Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and Flock has a small but dedicated following. Conkeror, despite the similarity of its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be a Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides). I think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been ported to other OSes such as FreeBSD. I don't have a favorite. All browsers I have encountered disappoint me in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to giving it a try). Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs are browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which gets its own mention basically because it looks promising. For the negatives: Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I need. I have not tried yet. Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, and its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that keep me using it at all: the extensions. Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead. Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my preferences, and the extension system is very, very ad-hoc. I like some of the principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not think it is as well executed as it should have been. w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal flaw. It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used though. Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of the major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance). xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a new custom software installation project this week. Beyond that, I don't know what I may or may not dislike about it. Chad, xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install stuff that's not in ports. I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule is gradually turning me off. First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration downsides. Peter Harrison. the stuff in the paragraph listing a bunch of browsers - I like all of these less than any of the browsers I mentioned before this paragraph, for a variety of reasons. I hope that helps, in conjunction with the advice others provide. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___
Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
On 4 Jan 2012, at 01:08, Da Rock wrote: On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 Da Rock articulated: On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html or the man page for ndiscvt: http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8topic=ndiscvt While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) At http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. Indeed :) I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory- the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at the time :) I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to reforming the vendor. No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or financial reasons more than logical. Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :) Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had to do with my comments or not, I don't know). Da Rock, I've been using ndis drivers successfully with a Broadcom chip in my Lenovo s10-e since I bought it some years ago - to the extent that I've not yet switched over to the native drivers now available. I didn't find using ndisgen too problematic. Just a case of finding the right driver files and following the manpage. I'd strongly recommend trying it in preference to a usb stick (been there, done that) or buying new hardware - although I'd agree that depending on the model changing a mini-PCI card isn't necessarily that difficult (I changed it t an Intel card in my other Dell laptop some time ago - remember to attach the internal aerial cable!). Regards, Peter Harrison. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:17:55AM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi articulated: He did *NOT* ask the prior poster to explain why it _would_be_ morally correct...HE demanded that they explain why it *IS* morally correct... quote Would you please be so kind as to explain to me why ... /quote You consider that a demand? Coupled with the verb 'is' -- which you conveniently failed to quote, and the overall argumentative and confrontational tone of the rest of your posting, the answer that any 'reasonable man' would give is Yes. I am not bashful, as you may have noticed. I simple asked him to explain why such behavior would be morally acceptable.o You are a liar. You have now *twice* materially mis-represennted an deliberately distorted what you said. There is a MADERIAAL DIFFERENCE between would be, and is. Especially so, in the manner and context in which you used the words. At that point he made the accusation that I had attributed such statements, directly or indirectly to him. I neither did, nor is there any evidence to support the claim that I had. You lie, again. Your psuedo-request that he explain why it _IS_ morally acceptable *DOES* carry the implicationi/connotation that _you_ believe that the person addressed (Chad) does hold the belief in question. You stand convicted by your own use of language of attributing succh to Chad.` Both of you choose to conveniently sidestep that simple fact. You lie, yet a third time. I *directly* addrerssed _WHERE_ and _HOW_ you =did= attribute such beliefs to Chad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Well said Lyubomir, How true. The graphic just keeps on going and no one wins. Aloha, ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:47:52PM -0800, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, Note that there are more than one persons using the name Jerry. Where I might dip in to an argument a bit, especially if I see humor in it, I never flame people or use such extravagant language in public posts. I also never sell arms to the little people. jerry How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think. Why the heck did you ask for it, then? Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700, you make this remark: I think the statement was more like Someone who calls it 'open sore' is clearly a mean-spirited jackass who likes making trouble, rather than Down with the bourgeoisie! I just figured I'd help clarify. At that point I wanted to know how you could justify the use of one set of terms and not the other. I NEVER said that you made or condoned those statements, something I think you might finally be starting to comprehend, although I certainly would not bet my life on it. There, unlike you I have answered your question without attempting to throw up smoke screens and dodge the issue. As I stated in my last post, I no-longer have any interest in what you have to say since attempting to get a straight answer out of you is a gross waste of time. Poly, a poster with whom I rarely agree, is always straight forward with his replies and doesn't try to wiggle out of anything. I have tremendous respect for him; not necessarily his beliefs, but his honesty and integrity. Honesty in that I believe he sincerely believes what he is saying, and integrity in that he is not, or apparently not, a member of the Sour Grapes Posse. You, on the other hand, are apparently a charter member of the posse and without a doubt a weasel. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +, Peter Harrison wrote: Chad, xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install stuff that's not in ports. Thanks for correcting that. I did not find it last time I looked, though I may have relied on a nonstandard ports tree search tool that sometimes (unexpectedly) fails to update its search database. It's good to hear xxxterm is available in ports. I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. I'm playing with it now. I find I need to rebind a lot of functionality to make it feel really vi-like, and some of the bindings I would like to use are not possible with the keybinding configuration capabilities of xxxterm as they are currently implemented. The maintainer has invited me to submit a patch; whether I do so will definitely depend on how much time I have to figure it all out. In the meantime, I'm checking to see how well I can get by using it as my primary browser for a while. Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule is gradually turning me off. I don't blame you. First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration downsides. I find the keybindings of Uzbl and Pentadactyl better than those of xxxterm so far; I stopped using Vimperator in favor of Pentadactyl a while back, so I'm probably not qualified to comment on its current state. Did you mean to say The keybinding is *not* quite as good . . . or did you mean it is, as you wrote it here? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:16:15PM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: Why the heck did you ask for it, then? Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700, you make this remark: I think the statement was more like Someone who calls it 'open sore' is clearly a mean-spirited jackass who likes making trouble, rather than Down with the bourgeoisie! I just figured I'd help clarify. At that point I wanted to know how you could justify the use of one set of terms and not the other. I NEVER said that you made or condoned those statements, something I think you might finally be starting to comprehend, although I certainly would not bet my life on it. This is the problem. You say you never said I condoned such statements, but for some utterly incomprehensible reason you decided to ask me to explain my (nonexistent) justification for them. What you said distinctly implied that you believed I condoned them, for exactly that reason, whether you *meant* to imply such a thing or not. I wonder if *you* are going to start to comprehend *that*. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
On 4 Jan 2012, at 21:26, Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +, Peter Harrison wrote: Chad, xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install stuff that's not in ports. Thanks for correcting that. I did not find it last time I looked, though I may have relied on a nonstandard ports tree search tool that sometimes (unexpectedly) fails to update its search database. It's good to hear xxxterm is available in ports. I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. I'm playing with it now. I find I need to rebind a lot of functionality to make it feel really vi-like, and some of the bindings I would like to use are not possible with the keybinding configuration capabilities of xxxterm as they are currently implemented. The maintainer has invited me to submit a patch; whether I do so will definitely depend on how much time I have to figure it all out. In the meantime, I'm checking to see how well I can get by using it as my primary browser for a while. Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule is gradually turning me off. I don't blame you. First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration downsides. I find the keybindings of Uzbl and Pentadactyl better than those of xxxterm so far; I stopped using Vimperator in favor of Pentadactyl a while back, so I'm probably not qualified to comment on its current state. Did you mean to say The keybinding is *not* quite as good . . . or did you mean it is, as you wrote it here? Chad, Perils of typing too fast. Yes, I meant the keybinding is /not/ quite as good Peter Harrison. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) Yes! humor. I think open-sore is really cute, intelligent and funny. More so than winblows or micro$hit. Even with nicknames we get better results!. I believe we could all profit from being able to laugh at that too. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Jan 4 11:39:20 2012 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:34:52 -0500 From: Jerry je...@seibercom.net To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in favor of trivialities. If you prefer, pretend he said: HE asked that they explain why it *IS* morally correct... The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation. In any case, he is probably back under his bridge now anyway. Oh my. Ad hominems, again. The next-to-last resort of those who _know_ they have no rational argument to present. Both of you have continued to spew the same garbage while ignoring the simple fact that I did not attributed the statements you claim I did to you. FALSE TO FACT. You did, in fact, attribute such a belief to Chad. In all of your accumulated bullshit you have failed to show one instance where I did make such a claim. Your choice of language _expressly_ *DID* include the implication that Chad believed what you were 'asking' him to explain. _YOU_ cannot provide the information 'requested' by: Can you please explain why the moon is made of green cheese? unless you -believe- the moon *IS* made of green cheese. Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think. I know decent people that I have disagreements with, I don't need a faceless one. Available evidence indicates otherwise -- given the extent to which you go out of your way to antagonize and pick fights with them. One could reasonably conclude over-compensation for a massive inferiority complex -- trying to make yourself 'feel big' by belittling others. Do you honestly believe that I really care about what some faceless name on a monitor writes, or if it bothers or influences me? Have you ever heard of narcissistic personality disorder aka NPD? Get over yourself -- nobody is that important. You're projecting, again, Jerry. Chad, I don't want you GOING POSTAL(1), so if it makes you feel better, I will feed your psychosis. Whatever you think I said, I said. Now have a nice cup of warm milk and relax before you hurt yourself. End of problem and end of discussion. Oooh! A _textbook_ 'masked inferiority' attack. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:56:38 -0500 ill...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a few hours, lots of RAM, you'd like to stress- test your system: cd /usr/ports/www/chromium make install Unless things have changed radically that sounds like a bit of an exaggeration. Until about 9 months ago I was building it on a 7 year old single core athlon in 1.5GB with the work-directory on tmpfs. It was still perfectly usable as a desktop. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
Am 04.01.2012, 23:00 Uhr, schrieb Mario Lobo l...@bsd.com.br: On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) Yes! humor. I think open-sore is really cute, intelligent and funny. http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990206 More so than winblows or micro$hit. Even with nicknames we get better results!. I believe we could all profit from being able to laugh at that too. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Browser
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +, Peter Harrison wrote: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:48:35 + From: Peter Harrison four.harris...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Browser To: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com Cc: questi...@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) On 4 Jan 2012, at 16:54, Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for version 8.2? Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and probably quite a few more answers than that. For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like Surf. For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the open source project behind Google Chrome). For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an interesting alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension for Firefox offers some of the same benefits). For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've used (which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System session to use it), there's w3m. Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look very soon. There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based browsers. In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer SeaMonkey. Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and Flock has a small but dedicated following. Conkeror, despite the similarity of its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be a Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides). I think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been ported to other OSes such as FreeBSD. I don't have a favorite. All browsers I have encountered disappoint me in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to giving it a try). Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs are browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which gets its own mention basically because it looks promising. For the negatives: Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I need. I have not tried yet. Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, and its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that keep me using it at all: the extensions. Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead. Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my preferences, and the extension system is very, very ad-hoc. I like some of the principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not think it is as well executed as it should have been. w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal flaw. It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used though. Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of the major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance). xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a new custom software installation project this week. Beyond that, I don't know what I may or may not dislike about it. Chad, xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install stuff that's not in ports. I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule is gradually turning me off. First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration downsides. i hope this isn't too far offtopic, but here's the situation: i need a tts reader to read text to me in some cases. i have been using one that is good-enough. but it's author says that this firefox
Re: Browser
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 09:54:46PM +, Peter Harrison wrote: On 4 Jan 2012, at 21:26, Chad Perrin wrote: Did you mean to say The keybinding is *not* quite as good . . . or did you mean it is, as you wrote it here? Perils of typing too fast. Yes, I meant the keybinding is /not/ quite as good Thanks for clarifying. I thought that was the case, but did not want to make unwarranted assumptions. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:47:44 -0700
Chad Perrin articulated:
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:16:15PM -0500, Jerry wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated:
Why the heck did you ask for it, then?
Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26
-0700, you make this remark: I think the statement was more like
Someone who calls it 'open sore' is clearly a mean-spirited jackass
who likes making trouble, rather than Down with the
bourgeoisie! I just figured I'd help clarify.
At that point I wanted to know how you could justify the use of one
set of terms and not the other. I NEVER said that you made or
condoned those statements, something I think you might finally be
starting to comprehend, although I certainly would not bet my life
on it.
This is the problem. You say you never said I condoned such
statements, but for some utterly incomprehensible reason you decided
to ask me to explain my (nonexistent) justification for them.
What you said distinctly implied that you believed I condoned them,
for exactly that reason, whether you *meant* to imply such a thing or
not. I wonder if *you* are going to start to comprehend *that*.
OK Chad, this is my last post on this thread. I fully expect you to
respond; however, I don't care. I am not replying to it. I am through
feeding your psychosis.
I fully explained why I asked you a simple question. Somehow you
fail to grasp it. If you honestly do not condone it then all you had to
say was something like, I neither condone, support nor use such
phases. That would have been the end of it. Instead, at every single
turn, you have attempted to make it look like it was a personal attack
on you. I never said you made such statements; although I fully believe
you do support them although you would probably not publicly
acknowledge it. I had seriously though about doing a search of all your
posts for the last 5 years or so and seeing if I could find proof of
it. However, since I can not profit from it I decided against investing
the time. In any case, you would probably claim that you were misquoted
or some such thing.
I have noticed that somehow you have managed to piss off at least two
other posters in the past 48 hours. In every case, you claim to have
been basically misunderstood. I wonder, could a pattern be emerging?
By the way, no asterisk was injured in the creation of this document.
{THIS SPACE RESERVED FOR CHAD AND HIS RANTINGS -- I'M OUT OF HERE}
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Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 10:36:58PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: it does look like the card is accessible via that panel on the underside. In which case it is probably quicker and more certain to work to swap cards than to get the Realtek working with ndis, with very little cost - which was my original suggestion to the OP. I agree, so long as Toshiba does not do hardware whitelisting with that model. If it does, I suspect just getting a compatible card from another Toshiba would probably work; if not, there may possibly be a software tool (probably on a bootable CD image) that can be used to deactivate the hardware whitelisting somewhere out there on the Internet, as there is for ThinkPads. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On 01/05/12 06:47, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif LOL ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver?
On 01/05/12 07:01, Peter Harrison wrote: On 4 Jan 2012, at 01:08, Da Rock wrote: On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 Da Rock articulated: On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html or the man page for ndiscvt: http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8topic=ndiscvt While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) At http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. Indeed :) I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory- the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at the time :) I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to reforming the vendor. No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or financial reasons more than logical. Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :) Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had to do with my comments or not, I don't know). Da Rock, I've been using ndis drivers successfully with a Broadcom chip in my Lenovo s10-e since I bought it some years ago - to the extent that I've not yet switched over to the native drivers now available. I didn't find using ndisgen too problematic. Just a case of finding the right driver files and following the manpage. I'd strongly recommend trying it in preference to a usb stick (been there, done that) or buying new hardware - although I'd agree that depending on the model changing a mini-PCI card isn't necessarily that difficult (I changed it t an Intel card in my other Dell laptop some time ago - remember to attach the internal aerial cable!). Make no mistake I'm not being facetious. How did you do it? The biggest problem I had was that there are multiple firmware for different scenarios that are loaded. One for base station mode, one for adhoc, and one more I think... They got in the way of using it correctly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On 01/05/12 08:25, Michael Ross wrote: Am 04.01.2012, 23:00 Uhr, schrieb Mario Lobo l...@bsd.com.br: On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) Yes! humor. I think open-sore is really cute, intelligent and funny. http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990206 :D More so than winblows or micro$hit. Even with nicknames we get better results!. I believe we could all profit from being able to laugh at that too. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation
On 01/05/12 08:39, Jerry wrote: I have noticed that somehow you have managed to piss off at least two other posters in the past 48 hours. In every case, you claim to have been basically misunderstood. I wonder, could a pattern be emerging? And you, Jerry, have successfully managed to piss off a poster every day for the past week. Would you care to pull it out and measure now? Or are you going lose the antagonistic attitude? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?
I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso and burned the image to CD. However the CD does not boot. Just wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable. Also, is there a DVD version? I don't have many CDs around my house but plenty of DVDs. :) Thanks, Drew ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?
Can't speak for the 64 bit but the I386 does. As for a DVD, look for that at the release. Chris Sent from my HTC. - Reply message - From: Drew Tomlinson d...@mykitchentable.net Date: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 9:23 pm Subject: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable? To: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso and burned the image to CD. However the CD does not boot. Just wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable. Also, is there a DVD version? I don't have many CDs around my house but plenty of DVDs. :) Thanks, Drew ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?
On 01/05/12 13:23, Drew Tomlinson wrote: I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso and burned the image to CD. However the CD does not boot. Just wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable. Also, is there a DVD version? I don't have many CDs around my house but plenty of DVDs. :) Hi Drew, and welcome to FreeBSD. How did you 'burn' the disc? As an iso image (in Windows) you can open any burning program and tell it to burn it as is; you don't need to extract any contents. This is the usual problem if it won't boot. Alternatively, you can try making an installer on a usb disk. I'd recommend at least a 2Gb stick, preferably 4G. See: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-pre.html section 3.3.5. HTH ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Drew Tomlinson d...@mykitchentable.netwrote: I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.**iso ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/ **FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/**ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-** RC3-amd64-disc1.isoftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso and burned the image to CD. However the CD does not boot. Just wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable. Also, is there a DVD version? I don't have many CDs around my house but plenty of DVDs. :) Thanks, Drew ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/**FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/** ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-**RC3-amd64-disc1.isoftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso Yes, it's bootable. I did install a test install couple of days ago using amd64 arch. Amitabh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?
On 1/4/2012 8:01 PM, R Skinner wrote: On 01/05/12 13:23, Drew Tomlinson wrote: I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso and burned the image to CD. However the CD does not boot. Just wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable. Also, is there a DVD version? I don't have many CDs around my house but plenty of DVDs. :) Hi Drew, and welcome to FreeBSD. How did you 'burn' the disc? As an iso image (in Windows) you can open any burning program and tell it to burn it as is; you don't need to extract any contents. This is the usual problem if it won't boot. I used the Windows image burning tool on the one that didn't work. However I tried on another PC that had Nero Burning ROM. That one worked. Now I just wish the boot disk had an apparent way to enable ssh so I could install from another PC while browsing the web. [snip] Thanks, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help Recovering FBSD 8 ZFS System
On 1/2/2012 2:37 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: --As of January 2, 2012 2:14:55 PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson is alleged to have said: Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. However in this case, the controller is a SATA that's integrated into the motherboard. Since two of 4 are working, that would mean the controller is OK, right? I guess I could swap SATA cables for a test. --As for the rest, it is mine. Actually, typically one controller only runs two drives, IIRC. So you could have one bad controller out of two. If swapping cables helps, you may want to try getting a SATA card or something similar. (If swapping cables means you can see the other two drives, a SATA card should mean you'll get all your data back.) Thanks for that. Tore into it today. The unseen drive is dead. Doesn't even spin up and thus, the data and OS is gone. But on the bright side, this is a perfect opportunity to install 9.0 RC3. Thanks, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
