freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel
Hi, I have FreeBSD 9.0 (p4) with custom kernel. uname -i says it: HOMEWIFI90 However, when I run freebsd-update fetch command it would like to update my kernel as well: freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 9.0-RELEASE from update5.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. The following files are affected by updates, but no changes have been downloaded because the files have been modified locally: /var/db/mergemaster.mtree The following files will be updated as part of updating to 9.0-RELEASE-p4: /boot/kernel/kernel /boot/kernel/kernel.symbols What is wrong with it? If I'm not mistaken, this problem first appeared in 9.0-RELEASE-p2, before this everything worked fine. How can I fix this error? Best regards, Pi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Denis piloy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have FreeBSD 9.0 (p4) with custom kernel. uname -i says it: HOMEWIFI90 However, when I run freebsd-update fetch command it would like to update my kernel as well: freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 9.0-RELEASE from update5.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. The following files are affected by updates, but no changes have been downloaded because the files have been modified locally: /var/db/mergemaster.mtree The following files will be updated as part of updating to 9.0-RELEASE-p4: /boot/kernel/kernel /boot/kernel/kernel.symbols What is wrong with it? If I'm not mistaken, this problem first appeared in 9.0-RELEASE-p2, before this everything worked fine. How can I fix this error? Best regards, Pi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Hi Denis, Have you rebuilt your custom kernel after ? This is described in the Handbook in the section 25.2.2 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html Regards, Alexandre ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel
Hi Alexandre, Have you rebuilt your custom kernel after ? This is described in the Handbook in the section 25.2.2 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html Yes, I rebuilt my custom kernel after. But this doesn't help - every time I run freebsd-update fetch it suugest me to update kernel and kernel.symbols. Best regards, Denis ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Issue with kernel building
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:43:14 -0400
Michael Powell articulated:
{snip}
Keep in mind whenever you install a new kernel your present kernel
(and its matching modules) get moved to kernel.old. What this means
is that the GENERIC you have with a base install will be moved to
kernel.old and can be used in the event the new kernel won't boot.
Realize this: after the next rebuild process this kernel.old will be
replaced _again_. In which case you might now have 2 broken kernels
with not an easy way to recover.
I inquired several years ago about the possibility of changing the
renaming format into something like: kernel_##_YY-MM-DD.old. The ##
would be incremented with each successive build on a given day. I
thought it would alleviate just the sort of problem you are referring
to and would make it easier to revert to a specific kernel if required.
I never received even a single response so I guess it was not a well
received concept.
--
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Re: I Can Has Packages?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:38:33 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: I always keep saying the ideal situation would be that you could customise and compile just your own really mission critical software and freely mix that with installing pre-compiled packages of anything else from the public repositories. To be honest, that's what I'm doing for many years now. I tend to compile only those ports where it is either required in order to obtain the software because no suitable package does exist (e. g. OpenOffice), or because I intendedly want to have access to compile-time options (e. g. mplayer), which can also apply when specific optimization is needed in order to get something into a usable state on older hardware. For everything else, packages are fine. Mixing those forms (and maybe assuming that ports can be either handled by the native make method or one of the port management tools such as portmaster) is possible. Of course you have to think first, then do, but I assume it's not needed mentioning. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:37:40 +0400, Denis wrote: Hi Alexandre, Have you rebuilt your custom kernel after ? This is described in the Handbook in the section 25.2.2 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html Yes, I rebuilt my custom kernel after. But this doesn't help - every time I run freebsd-update fetch it suugest me to update kernel and kernel.symbols. Then why not follow my suggestion of _letting_ freebsd-update update the kernel, but _use_ a different one instead which it won't touch? In /boot/loader.conf: kernel=mykernel bootfile=/boot/mykernel/kernel Now freebsd-update can happily alter the default kernel without affecting yours. Note that this implies that _you_ have to take care of kernel changes and recompiling if needed. I know, it's just a workaround and doesn't address the problem directly, but it should get you away from any related trouble. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel
Then why not follow my suggestion of _letting_ freebsd-update update the kernel, but _use_ a different one instead which it won't touch? In /boot/loader.conf: kernel=mykernel bootfile=/boot/mykernel/kernel Now freebsd-update can happily alter the default kernel without affecting yours. Note that this implies that _you_ have to take care of kernel changes and recompiling if needed. I know, it's just a workaround and doesn't address the problem directly, but it should get you away from any related trouble. Yes, I saw your advice, and will follow it. The main idea - may be I missed something and there will be an easy fix to my problem. I want to make sure that the problem exists, and I'm not the only person faced with this error. And also I have a small hope that problem will be fixed by freebsd team :-). Best regards, Denis ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
re: adding Mercurial CA Certificates
How do I add an CA Certificate for Mercurial on FreeBSD please? :; uname -a FreeBSD box2 9.0-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE-p4 #0: Fri Aug 17 21:53:39 EEST 2012 root@box2:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 :; pkg_info -xc mercurial | sed 1q Information for mercurial-2.3: Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Issue with kernel building
== Michael Powell wrote on Sun 19.Aug'12 at 19:43:14 -0400 == Keep in mind whenever you install a new kernel your present kernel (and its matching modules) get moved to kernel.old. What this means is that the GENERIC you have with a base install will be moved to kernel.old and can be used in the event the new kernel won't boot. Realize this: after the next rebuild process this kernel.old will be replaced _again_. In which case you might now have 2 broken kernels with not an easy way to recover. Very good point! I'd clear the /usr/src/obj directory as pointed out, then build a generic kenel, install it and boot from it. Then you know you've got a working kernel to fall back on. At that point rebuild your custom kernel with correct commands as pointed out in the previous response by Michael; i.e. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL` ... etc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Issue with kernel building
== Jerry wrote on Mon 20.Aug'12 at 8:11:17 -0400 == I inquired several years ago about the possibility of changing the renaming format into something like: kernel_##_YY-MM-DD.old. The ## would be incremented with each successive build on a given day. I thought it would alleviate just the sort of problem you are referring to and would make it easier to revert to a specific kernel if required. I never received even a single response so I guess it was not a well received concept. I think it's a valid and idiot-proof suggestion; however, the handbook information regarding building custom kernels is pretty clear. The steps are not difficult to understand if you ask me. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Issue with kernel building
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:13:44 +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: == Michael Powell wrote on Sun 19.Aug'12 at 19:43:14 -0400 == Keep in mind whenever you install a new kernel your present kernel (and its matching modules) get moved to kernel.old. What this means is that the GENERIC you have with a base install will be moved to kernel.old and can be used in the event the new kernel won't boot. Realize this: after the next rebuild process this kernel.old will be replaced _again_. In which case you might now have 2 broken kernels with not an easy way to recover. Very good point! I'd clear the /usr/src/obj directory as pointed out, then build a generic kenel, install it and boot from it. Then you know you've got a working kernel to fall back on. You could then make a copy of that kernel, e. g. from its initial installation location /boot/kernel to /boot/kernel.GENERIC. If you continue building a custom kernel, /boot/kernel will be overwritten. In worst case, you can unload your custom kernel at the loader prompt, load kernel.GENERIC instead and boot the system with that definitely working kernel. At that point rebuild your custom kernel with correct commands as pointed out in the previous response by Michael; i.e. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL` ... etc. Again, I may point to The FreeBSD Handbook, the section regarding building world and kernel, as well as the instructions in the comment header of /usr/src/Makefile. Following those advices should be easy and provide you with a procedure that reliably works. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Issue with kernel building
Polytropon writes: Very good point! I'd clear the /usr/src/obj directory as pointed out, then build a generic kenel, install it and boot from it. Then you know you've got a working kernel to fall back on. You could then make a copy of that kernel, e. g. from its initial installation location /boot/kernel to /boot/kernel.GENERIC. Before doing this, make sure you have enough space on /. On my -CURRENT system, /boot/kernel uses ~300 mb and /boot/modules another 35; I created / with 2 gb in part so it could hold multiple kernels. Running out of space on / is a Really Bad Idea(tm). Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Issue with kernel building
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:46:30 -0400, Robert Huff wrote: Polytropon writes: Very good point! I'd clear the /usr/src/obj directory as pointed out, then build a generic kenel, install it and boot from it. Then you know you've got a working kernel to fall back on. You could then make a copy of that kernel, e. g. from its initial installation location /boot/kernel to /boot/kernel.GENERIC. Before doing this, make sure you have enough space on /. On my -CURRENT system, /boot/kernel uses ~300 mb and /boot/modules another 35; I created / with 2 gb in part so it could hold multiple kernels. Running out of space on / is a Really Bad Idea(tm). Excellent advice. I'd like to add man src.conf and maybe tweaking /etc/make.conf to adjust kernel and world builds for the case that more control over what should be built and installed is desired, such as omitting debug symbols, the exclusion of certain modules and so on. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
Hi, here is an interesting comment (basically echoing other people's view) on Linux developments: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120820 Reader Comments 1 o Arch and systemd (by Microlinux on 2012-08-20 10:11:39 GMT from France) Much has been said on the subject of Systemd. Let me quote Eric Hameleers, one of Slackware's developers. [...] systemd is essentially evil. It is invasive, extremely hostile to other environments, threatening to kill non-Linux ecosystems which have hal, udev, dbus, consolekit, polkit, udisks, upower and friends as dependencies. And every iteration of the software written by the Redhat employees who are responsible for hal, udev, consiolekit, polkit and now systemd are incompatible with previous releases, re-implementing their bad ideas with new bad ideas... basically proving that these Redhat employees must be declared unfit to work on the core of a Linux distro. However, the influence of their employer is so big that these products are forced upon the wider UNIX community and at some point it will be assimilate or die. I hope we (Slackware) will find a way where we do not have to assimilate but still manage to keep the distro working. I have high hopes for KDE which has no Redhat ties and so far, manages to stay clear of this mess, sticking to widely accepted standards. Cheers from a Slackware user. For those of you who are unfamiliar - systemd is a replacement for SysV, LSB, and Upstart init subsystem scripts. Together with some other technologies like GNOME 3 (soon GNOME OS ?) they are aiming at being Microsoft-like Linux distro (soon OS ?). On my FreeBSD machine: $ ls /var/db/pkg/ ... hal-0.5.14_19/ dbus-1.4.14_i3/ consolekit-0.4.3/ polkit-0.99/ upower-0.9.7/ ... Also, once again I refer to Linux-related ports in *BSD ecosystem http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linuxstype=all and warn against becoming entangled in affairs of Linux ecosystem. jb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: I Can Has Packages?
== Polytropon wrote on Mon 20.Aug'12 at 14:22:45 +0200 == On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:38:33 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: I always keep saying the ideal situation would be that you could customise and compile just your own really mission critical software and freely mix that with installing pre-compiled packages of anything else from the public repositories. To be honest, that's what I'm doing for many years now. I tend to compile only those ports where it is either required in order to obtain the software because no suitable package does exist (e. g. OpenOffice), or because I intendedly want to have access to compile-time options (e. g. mplayer), which can also apply when specific optimization is needed in order to get something into a usable state on older hardware. For everything else, packages are fine. Mixing those forms (and maybe assuming that ports can be either handled by the native make method or one of the port management tools such as portmaster) is possible. Of course you have to think first, then do, but I assume it's not needed mentioning. :-) It's good people have the option to install packages if they so wish. Personally, I don't think i've ever used a precompiled package on FreeBSD; I much prefer to compile from source, especially when updating my system (different topic i know). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel
== Denis wrote on Mon 20.Aug'12 at 16:41:56 +0400 == Then why not follow my suggestion of _letting_ freebsd-update update the kernel, but _use_ a different one instead which it won't touch? In /boot/loader.conf: kernel=mykernel bootfile=/boot/mykernel/kernel Now freebsd-update can happily alter the default kernel without affecting yours. Note that this implies that _you_ have to take care of kernel changes and recompiling if needed. I know, it's just a workaround and doesn't address the problem directly, but it should get you away from any related trouble. Yes, I saw your advice, and will follow it. The main idea - may be I missed something and there will be an easy fix to my problem. I want to make sure that the problem exists, and I'm not the only person faced with this error. And also I have a small hope that problem will be fixed by freebsd team :-). Best regards, Denis If you're building your own customised kernel, why don't you just build the entire system from source? I've not used freebsd-update yet and probably won't. Is it just a matter of time, i.e. waiting for the compilation to finish? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
Those in on the core teams here are very well aware. Did you notice we've survived this long without ALSA? :-) However, this is very good reading for anyone who hasn't looked at Linux lately, and it's worth mentioning that this is snowballing quickly. I used to really like some Linux distros. I've been working closely with FreeBSD for 3 years now and after watching Linux change in those 3 years from this distance I'm not sure I want to go back. Everything that originally excited me about *nix operating systems is gone; it's a big convoluted mess now. This isn't a good sign and I hope someone has the sense enough to stand their ground and tell RedHat/Poettering NO. TEAR DOWN THIS WALL, MR GORB^H^H^H^HPOETTERING ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel
If you're building your own customised kernel, why don't you just build the entire system from source? I've not used freebsd-update yet and probably won't. Is it just a matter of time, i.e. waiting for the compilation to finish? Actually I built this system from source. And now use freebsd-update just to install security patches (it seems to be easy and faster then to rebuild world). Best regards, Denis ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:09:12 + (UTC) jb articulated: here is an interesting comment (basically echoing other people's view) on Linux developments: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120820 Reader Comments 1 o Arch and systemd (by Microlinux on 2012-08-20 10:11:39 GMT from France) Much has been said on the subject of Systemd. Let me quote Eric Hameleers, one of Slackware's developers. [...] systemd is essentially evil. It is invasive, extremely hostile to other environments, threatening to kill non-Linux ecosystems which have hal, udev, dbus, consolekit, polkit, udisks, upower and friends as dependencies. And every iteration of the software written by the Redhat employees who are responsible for hal, udev, consiolekit, polkit and now systemd are incompatible with previous releases, re-implementing their bad ideas with new bad ideas... basically proving that these Redhat employees must be declared unfit to work on the core of a Linux distro. However, the influence of their employer is so big that these products are forced upon the wider UNIX community and at some point it will be assimilate or die. I hope we (Slackware) will find a way where we do not have to assimilate but still manage to keep the distro working. I have high hopes for KDE which has no Redhat ties and so far, manages to stay clear of this mess, sticking to widely accepted standards. Cheers from a Slackware user. For those of you who are unfamiliar - systemd is a replacement for SysV, LSB, and Upstart init subsystem scripts. Together with some other technologies like GNOME 3 (soon GNOME OS ?) they are aiming at being Microsoft-like Linux distro (soon OS ?). On my FreeBSD machine: $ ls /var/db/pkg/ ... hal-0.5.14_19/ dbus-1.4.14_i3/ consolekit-0.4.3/ polkit-0.99/ upower-0.9.7/ ... Also, once again I refer to Linux-related ports in *BSD ecosystem http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linuxstype=all and warn against becoming entangled in affairs of Linux ecosystem. Change is scary. There were those who believed in the early 1900's that there were no new discoveries to be made or inventions to be designed and implemented. Thank God that there were those who said, Wow, this 8086 processor is cool; however, I think we can do better. Change is always scary and sometimes even dangerous; however, everything either evolves or dies. Unless someone is holding a gun to your head forcing you to accept changes that you do not approve of, I do not see a problem. With that said, telling others that they have to watch their TV by candle light is an extremely limited view of the bigger picture. An analog man in a digital world can be confusing and scary. Personally, I embrace progress. Even if there are ten failures in a row, that one success can be an life changing idea that can alter the course of an entire industry. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
doom, quake, hexen...
Colleagues, Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the audio system. Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old son could enjoy? Thank you very much in advance. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:suda...@sibptus.tomsk.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:32 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: Colleagues, Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa MIDI load failed:/etc/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory Install timidity++ from ports to get MIDI background music support. games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn doom-1.10_5 is only for i386, while you are running amd64. A precise message. games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the audio system. Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old son could enjoy? How about OpenArena? I'm currently playing it with pals via Internet. Okay, not at this moment, as I'm writing this message, obviously... :-) Thank you very much in advance. First make sure all your 3D stuff runs fine. Install xlockmore and test it with: % xlock -nolock -mode lament % xlock -nolock -mode fire Works fine? Next consideration: Games in ports collection that run out of the box (even though I still have 8.2-STABLE/x86 here) include DooM 3 and Quake 4. I've also tried RTCW, but except a grey fullscreen I get nothing. Music plays, I can move the mouse and listen to the main menu choices clicking, but I don't see anything. For older DooM ports, I've successfully been playing DooM, DooM II and Heretic using lsdldoom port on a 300 MHz P2. Note lsdldoom also supports OpenGL graphics. I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, and Jedi Knight II via wine. I don't see a massive problem to run those on the amd64 platform, from which I switched back to i386 on my home system due to trouble with wine. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:32 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: Colleagues, Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the audio system. Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old son could enjoy? prboom works flawlessly on my FreeBSD9 laptop. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
I have a fully patche amd64 freebsd 8.3 server with apache 2.2 and PHP 5.4.5. In the past day, php scripts have started failing with a variety of random errors, they hang, errors claiming that builtins like require_once() are not found, and other stuff. I don't see any pattern. I also can't figure out what's changed. I update the ports fairly often, but none of the recent updates were for apache or PHP. I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help. Does this sound familiar? Any suggestions beyond what I've already done? R's, John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
Polytropon wrote: Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa MIDI load failed:/etc/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory Install timidity++ from ports to get MIDI background music support. Actually I have compiled it WITHOUT_MUSIC. Anyway, recompiling with background music support does not make things any better: Starting Hexen! XDM authorization key matches an existing client!V_Init: allocate screens. M_LoadDefaults: Load system defaults. W_Init: Init WADfiles. DEMO IWAD detected! Z_Init: Init zone memory allocation daemon. MN_Init: Init menu system. CT_Init: Init chat mode data. S_InitScript SN_InitSequenceScript: Registering sound sequences. I_Init: Setting up machine state. SDL Audio opened successfully. ST_Init: Init startup screen. Executable: U-Hexen 0.5 build Aug 20 2012. R_Init: Init Hexen refresh daemonTextures Bus error (core dumped) games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn doom-1.10_5 is only for i386, while you are running amd64. A precise message. Does not make me any happier. games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the audio system. Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old son could enjoy? How about OpenArena? I'm currently playing it with pals via Internet. Okay, not at this moment, as I'm writing this message, obviously... :-) This is some multiuser game, isn't it? I was looking for something one could play alone, like Doom or Hexen. I have some WADs from the old DOS CDs and from BBSes. Thank you very much in advance. First make sure all your 3D stuff runs fine. Install xlockmore and test it with: % xlock -nolock -mode lament % xlock -nolock -mode fire Works fine? Yes, it does. In fact, I use xlock as my screensaver all the time. Next consideration: Games in ports collection that run out of the box (even though I still have 8.2-STABLE/x86 here) include DooM 3 and Quake 4. If I wanted a linux game, I would use the linux notebook. I am very reluctant in install half-a-penguin on my FreeBSD box just to play a game. I've also tried RTCW, but except a grey fullscreen I get nothing. Music plays, I can move the mouse and listen to the main menu choices clicking, but I don't see anything. For older DooM ports, I've successfully been playing DooM, DooM II and Heretic using lsdldoom port on a 300 MHz P2. Note lsdldoom also supports OpenGL graphics. Which port is it? make search key=lsdldoom finds nothing. I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, and Jedi Knight II via wine. Oh, is there really nothing native? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:suda...@sibptus.tomsk.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:32 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: Colleagues, Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the audio system. Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old son could enjoy? Thank you very much in advance. Try games/deng. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:05:17 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: Polytropon wrote: Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa MIDI load failed:/etc/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory Install timidity++ from ports to get MIDI background music support. Actually I have compiled it WITHOUT_MUSIC. Anyway, recompiling with background music support does not make things any better: Starting Hexen! XDM authorization key matches an existing client!V_Init: allocate screens. M_LoadDefaults: Load system defaults. W_Init: Init WADfiles. DEMO IWAD detected! Z_Init: Init zone memory allocation daemon. MN_Init: Init menu system. CT_Init: Init chat mode data. S_InitScript SN_InitSequenceScript: Registering sound sequences. I_Init: Setting up machine state. SDL Audio opened successfully. ST_Init: Init startup screen. Executable: U-Hexen 0.5 build Aug 20 2012. R_Init: Init Hexen refresh daemonTextures Bus error (core dumped) Bus error doesn't sound good. games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn doom-1.10_5 is only for i386, while you are running amd64. A precise message. Does not make me any happier. But at least it tells the truth from the beginning. games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the audio system. Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old son could enjoy? How about OpenArena? I'm currently playing it with pals via Internet. Okay, not at this moment, as I'm writing this message, obviously... :-) This is some multiuser game, isn't it? I was looking for something one could play alone, like Doom or Hexen. You actually have a series of levels to play against computer enemies (AI), but it's not that it contains a story like DooM or Quake. I have some WADs from the old DOS CDs and from BBSes. Try to load them with lsdldoom or prboom (I've tried both in the past). First make sure all your 3D stuff runs fine. Install xlockmore and test it with: % xlock -nolock -mode lament % xlock -nolock -mode fire Works fine? Yes, it does. In fact, I use xlock as my screensaver all the time. Very good, so there will be _no_ problem related to 3D, which often is the main issue for those games. Next consideration: Games in ports collection that run out of the box (even though I still have 8.2-STABLE/x86 here) include DooM 3 and Quake 4. If I wanted a linux game, I would use the linux notebook. I am very reluctant in install half-a-penguin on my FreeBSD box just to play a game. I also had to apply some tweaks to get those games running, it's at least not trivial. I've also tried RTCW, but except a grey fullscreen I get nothing. Music plays, I can move the mouse and listen to the main menu choices clicking, but I don't see anything. For older DooM ports, I've successfully been playing DooM, DooM II and Heretic using lsdldoom port on a 300 MHz P2. Note lsdldoom also supports OpenGL graphics. Which port is it? make search key=lsdldoom finds nothing. Oh, it's doomlegacy. I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, and Jedi Knight II via wine. Oh, is there really nothing native? No, that game is far too old, but Quake and Quake 2 have ports (to native FreeBSD) which work very nicely with the original files from the DOS version. Still it was playable more than 5 years ago, so even considering the ongoing disimprovement, it should run today. :-) Maybe even other older DOS shooters (Duke Nukem 3D, Chasm, Shadow Warrior, Dark Forces, Blood and so on) could be easily run using a VM or emulator? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
Walter Hurry wrote: prboom works flawlessly on my FreeBSD9 laptop. Wow! This one really works and looks like the good old Doom, music and sound and all. Thank you Walter! -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:suda...@sibptus.tomsk.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
Jerry jerry at seibercom.net writes: However, the influence of their employer is so big that these products are forced upon the wider UNIX community and at some point it will be assimilate or die. ... Personally, I embrace progress. Even if there are ten failures in a row, that one success can be an life changing idea that can alter the course of an entire industry. Well, this is not about progress, not even about the pace of it. It is about an ecosystem, in which a professional company tries to dominate it by my way, or high way approach (you know it when you follow development of Fedora, their test system distro). Because of the nature of that ecosystem called free and open source software, what is implemented has great impact on it by way of sharing and like-mindedness. What bothers me (and few other people, even inside Red Hat/Fedora) is them speaking from both sides of their mouth. On one side they call themselves UNIX-like, on the other they violate many principles of UNIX philosophy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy This is not a religion (to some it may be), but a set of cultural norms and philosophical approaches to developing software based on the experience of leading developers of the Unix operating system - they are relevant beyond any doubt. Let me mention few of them, like modularity and composition, that are violated by software like systemd, GNOME, etc. They also want to build a monolithic OS based on violation of these principles. The end effect is, they consciously want to screw up Linux and non-Linux (UNIX, *BSD, etc) ecosystems that opt not to follow them (read some additional comments that appeared in the meantime in the comments section of Distrowatch). This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed under the noble flag of progress to neutralize and fight opposition. jb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
Mark Felder wrote: Those in on the core teams here are very well aware. Did you notice we've survived this long without ALSA? :-) However, this is very good reading for anyone who hasn't looked at Linux lately, and it's worth mentioning that this is snowballing quickly. I used to really like some Linux distros. I've been working closely with FreeBSD for 3 years now and after watching Linux change in those 3 years from this distance I'm not sure I want to go back. Everything that originally excited me about *nix operating systems is gone; it's a big convoluted mess now. This isn't a good sign and I hope someone has the sense enough to stand their ground and tell RedHat/Poettering NO. You hit the nail on the head for me. For quite a few years I have tried Skype on various flavors of Linux machines all with the same end result: in order to use the microphone Pulseaudio had to be disabled. It's as if the guy that started it (Poettering) never conceived needing to use a microphone with a sound server and never tried it. So, in my opinion Pulseaudio is software left unfinished. Never mind such unfinished and untested as it was, it was mind-numbing to see all the 'distros' incorporate it as a default. Then Poettering moved on to systemd. My reservations are several. Developeritus notwithstanding, I am left to wonder whether he will 'finish' systemd or walk away from it when he gets bored with it, leaving it in the same kind of mess he left Pulseaudio. Now I truly like the idea and concept of Pulseaudio - it would just be nice if the author and project made it work the way an end-user sitting in front of his computer expects it to work. So called 'developeritus' is a fundamental disconnect between coders who code to please themselves and pat themselves on the back for adding 'features' and end-users who utilize computers to do other work. Anyway, enough rant from the my $.02 dept. I perceive the 'developeritus' affliction as a huge elephant in the open source software room that no one wants to talk about. I am definitely NOT against technological advances in software and the state of the art moving forward; indeed I welcome it. But, if it's broken like Pulseaudio I don't want to have anything to do with it. If it means using it requires me to spend countless hours trying to make it work instead of putting the time towards paying work then I do not need it getting in my way. Devs who code for ego gratification among their peers instead of trying to produce something a computer user might need should attempt to connect to this concept. And I see somewhat more connect in the FreeBSD community, which is a line-item on my list of what attracts me to continue using it. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
Yuri Pankov wrote: Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the audio system. Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old son could enjoy? Thank you very much in advance. Try games/deng. This one would not run out of the box either: [sudakov@vas ~] deng -game jdoom -file tmp/DOOM.WAD Z_Create: New 32.0 MB memory volume. determineGlobalPaths: Base path = /usr/local/share/deng/ Con_Init: Initializing the console. Executable: Version 1.9.0-beta6.9 Aug 21 2012 (DGL). Sys_InitWindowManager: Using SDL window management. While opening dynamic library /usr/local/lib/libjdoom.so: /usr/local/lib/libjdoom.so: Undefined symbol Con_AddCommand loadGamePlugin: Loading of libjdoom.so failed ((null)). Error loading game library.Z_Shutdown: Used 1 volumes, total 33554432 bytes. [sudakov@vas ~] -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:suda...@sibptus.tomsk.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
Polytropon wrote: [dd] Which port is it? make search key=lsdldoom finds nothing. Oh, it's doomlegacy. Thanks, will look at it. I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, and Jedi Knight II via wine. Oh, is there really nothing native? No, that game is far too old, but Quake and Quake 2 have ports (to native FreeBSD) which work very nicely with the original files from the DOS version. What are the ports' names? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:suda...@sibptus.tomsk.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:46:40 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: Polytropon wrote: I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, and Jedi Knight II via wine. Oh, is there really nothing native? No, that game is far too old, but Quake and Quake 2 have ports (to native FreeBSD) which work very nicely with the original files from the DOS version. What are the ports' names? The port for Quake is games/quakeforce (the binary then is nq-sdl, e. g. nq-glx -width 1024 -height 768, or nq-glx), for Quake 2 it is games/quake2. I'm not sure if wine can run those native DOS games, but the big virtualisation software (VirtualBox, VMWare) should be able to emulate a PC, then have some DOS installed, and the game should run - _if_ the virtualisation works properly and _fully_ supports the required interfaces that the games _directly_ address. I assume doscmd is not sufficient. Maybe bochs is okay. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Victor Sudakov wrote: Colleagues, Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? games/ioquake3 games/ioquake3-devel games/openarena ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:09:15 +0200 Polytropon wrote: I'm not sure if wine can run those native DOS games, but the big virtualisation software (VirtualBox, VMWare) should be able to emulate a PC, t You don't need to go that far, dosbox will run most dos games. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
Polytropon wrote: I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, and Jedi Knight II via wine. Oh, is there really nothing native? No, that game is far too old, but Quake and Quake 2 have ports (to native FreeBSD) which work very nicely with the original files from the DOS version. What are the ports' names? The port for Quake is games/quakeforce (the binary then is You probably meant games/quakeforge. It does not compile. Perhaps I should submit a PR. for Quake 2 it is games/quake2. There is no such directory games/quake2. There is games/quake2lnx, but it does not work as I wrote in the first mail: games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the audio system. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:suda...@sibptus.tomsk.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen...
games/quake2max is a good one...At least it was years ago when I tried it. I see nothing in the Makefile that will prevent it from building on amd64. Cheers, Josh On 8/20/12 12:16 PM, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:05:17 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: Polytropon wrote: Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa MIDI load failed:/etc/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory Install timidity++ from ports to get MIDI background music support. Actually I have compiled it WITHOUT_MUSIC. Anyway, recompiling with background music support does not make things any better: Starting Hexen! XDM authorization key matches an existing client!V_Init: allocate screens. M_LoadDefaults: Load system defaults. W_Init: Init WADfiles. DEMO IWAD detected! Z_Init: Init zone memory allocation daemon. MN_Init: Init menu system. CT_Init: Init chat mode data. S_InitScript SN_InitSequenceScript: Registering sound sequences. I_Init: Setting up machine state. SDL Audio opened successfully. ST_Init: Init startup screen. Executable: U-Hexen 0.5 build Aug 20 2012. R_Init: Init Hexen refresh daemonTextures Bus error (core dumped) Bus error doesn't sound good. games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn doom-1.10_5 is only for i386, while you are running amd64. A precise message. Does not make me any happier. But at least it tells the truth from the beginning. games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the audio system. Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old son could enjoy? How about OpenArena? I'm currently playing it with pals via Internet. Okay, not at this moment, as I'm writing this message, obviously... :-) This is some multiuser game, isn't it? I was looking for something one could play alone, like Doom or Hexen. You actually have a series of levels to play against computer enemies (AI), but it's not that it contains a story like DooM or Quake. I have some WADs from the old DOS CDs and from BBSes. Try to load them with lsdldoom or prboom (I've tried both in the past). First make sure all your 3D stuff runs fine. Install xlockmore and test it with: % xlock -nolock -mode lament % xlock -nolock -mode fire Works fine? Yes, it does. In fact, I use xlock as my screensaver all the time. Very good, so there will be _no_ problem related to 3D, which often is the main issue for those games. Next consideration: Games in ports collection that run out of the box (even though I still have 8.2-STABLE/x86 here) include DooM 3 and Quake 4. If I wanted a linux game, I would use the linux notebook. I am very reluctant in install half-a-penguin on my FreeBSD box just to play a game. I also had to apply some tweaks to get those games running, it's at least not trivial. I've also tried RTCW, but except a grey fullscreen I get nothing. Music plays, I can move the mouse and listen to the main menu choices clicking, but I don't see anything. For older DooM ports, I've successfully been playing DooM, DooM II and Heretic using lsdldoom port on a 300 MHz P2. Note lsdldoom also supports OpenGL graphics. Which port is it? make search key=lsdldoom finds nothing. Oh, it's doomlegacy. I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, and Jedi Knight II via wine. Oh, is there really nothing native? No, that game is far too old, but Quake and Quake 2 have ports (to native FreeBSD) which work very nicely with the original files from the DOS version. Still it was playable more than 5 years ago, so even considering the ongoing disimprovement, it should run today. :-) Maybe even other older DOS shooters (Duke Nukem 3D, Chasm, Shadow Warrior, Dark Forces, Blood and so on) could be easily run using a VM or emulator? -- Josh Tolbert h...@puresimplicity.net || http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/ Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:46 PM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: I have a fully patche amd64 freebsd 8.3 server with apache 2.2 and PHP 5.4.5. In the past day, php scripts have started failing with a variety of random errors, they hang, errors claiming that builtins like require_once() are not found, and other stuff. I don't see any pattern. I also can't figure out what's changed. I update the ports fairly often, but none of the recent updates were for apache or PHP. I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help. Does this sound familiar? Any suggestions beyond what I've already done? Did you also rebuilt lang/php5-extensions for the modules you need? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help. Did you also rebuilt lang/php5-extensions for the modules you need? Uh, yes, I said that I did. Regards, John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies, Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
== jb wrote on Mon 20.Aug'12 at 17:40:40 + == The end effect is, they consciously want to screw up Linux and non-Linux (UNIX, *BSD, etc) ecosystems that opt not to follow them (read some additional comments that appeared in the meantime in the comments section of Distrowatch). This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed under the noble flag of progress to neutralize and fight opposition. jb I have to say I completely agree. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM, John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help. Did you also rebuilt lang/php5-extensions for the modules you need? Uh, yes, I said that I did. Then perhaps you should downgrade to lang/php53 and lang/php53-extensions and compare the results! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:40 + (UTC) jb articulated: This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed under the noble flag of progress to neutralize and fight opposition. Do you have any idea how idiotic that statement sounds? What are you planning on doing? Are you going to lay siege to their domains and prepare for a full frontal assault? Seriously though, I have spent years attempting to get things to work in FreeBSD with either utter or partial failure. Wireless N NICs were totally orphaned by FreeBSD for years. Now, reluctantly I would assume, there is some partial support. Support for FLASH basically sucks. Hell, there is not even a viable Tex-Live port, an application that I have working perfectly on a Windows machine. The list goes on and on. The only constant I have been able to determine is that the open-source community, and FreeBSD in particular, would rather play the blame game as opposed to correcting the problem. Everyone else is always to blame, when in reality, all that is needed to determine the true source of the problem is to look in the mirror. The answer will stare them right in the face. I no longer spend days trying to debug a problem that I did not create. My time is just way to valuable for that nonsense. I simply find an acceptable alternative and move on. I don't need to be taking more drugs to control my blood pressure. I would strongly suggest that you find alternatives that suit your needs and leave the past behind. You'll feel better and enjoy life more. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
nice ad hominem screed On 08/20/2012 12:57, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:40 + (UTC) jb articulated: This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed under the noble flag of progress to neutralize and fight opposition. Do you have any idea how idiotic that statement sounds? What are you planning on doing? Are you going to lay siege to their domains and prepare for a full frontal assault? Seriously though, I have spent years attempting to get things to work in FreeBSD with either utter or partial failure. Wireless N NICs were totally orphaned by FreeBSD for years. Now, reluctantly I would assume, there is some partial support. Support for FLASH basically sucks. Hell, there is not even a viable Tex-Live port, an application that I have working perfectly on a Windows machine. The list goes on and on. The only constant I have been able to determine is that the open-source community, and FreeBSD in particular, would rather play the blame game as opposed to correcting the problem. Everyone else is always to blame, when in reality, all that is needed to determine the true source of the problem is to look in the mirror. The answer will stare them right in the face. I no longer spend days trying to debug a problem that I did not create. My time is just way to valuable for that nonsense. I simply find an acceptable alternative and move on. I don't need to be taking more drugs to control my blood pressure. I would strongly suggest that you find alternatives that suit your needs and leave the past behind. You'll feel better and enjoy life more. -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) da...@vicor.com david.robi...@fisglobal.com _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
Then perhaps you should downgrade to lang/php53 and lang/php53-extensions and compare the results! Good thought, I just did that. Results: php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell php5.4: fails in random ways This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x. I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution server, so I expect they're not regression testing 8.x any more Regards, John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies, Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
On 20 Aug 2012 16:46:13 - John Levine articulated: I have a fully patche amd64 freebsd 8.3 server with apache 2.2 and PHP 5.4.5. In the past day, php scripts have started failing with a variety of random errors, they hang, errors claiming that builtins like require_once() are not found, and other stuff. I don't see any pattern. I also can't figure out what's changed. I update the ports fairly often, but none of the recent updates were for apache or PHP. I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help. Does this sound familiar? Any suggestions beyond what I've already done? What is the output of php --version? I had a similar problem a little over a year ago. I finally had to do a pkg_delete of every php port on my system. I then used portmanager, although you could use portupgrade as well to do a fresh install of php. I rebooted and every thing worked fine. For some unknown reason, attempting to do a deinstall and re-install just failed to alleviate the problem. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:02 PM, John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: Then perhaps you should downgrade to lang/php53 and lang/php53-extensions and compare the results! Good thought, I just did that. Results: php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell php5.4: fails in random ways This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x. I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution server, so I expect they're not regression testing 8.x any more Packages?? It's better for you to use the ports tree! Anyway, good that you are back up again.I hope you do know that php54 breaks so much compatibility with code that was written for php53 and below. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:57:14 -0500, je...@seibercom.net wrote: Support for FLASH basically sucks. Please stop trolling. I've been using flash with zero issues for 3 years. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: doom, quake, hexen
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 06:28:57PM +, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the free...@edvax.de flavor, containing: On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:05:17 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? [...] Maybe even other older DOS shooters (Duke Nukem 3D, Chasm, Shadow Warrior, Dark Forces, Blood and so on) could be easily run using a VM or emulator? If you have the original Duke Nukem 3D install CDs for DOS, you can use the eduke32 port rather than a VM or DOS emulator. eduke32 is a port of the graphics engine for Duke 3D that renders using OpenGL, and uses the original game files from the CD (requires them, actually). There's just one file you need to copy off the CD to make it work (game.con IIRC). There is also something called a High Resolution Pack (HRP) for eduke32 that updates the maps to higher res, but I've never been able to get the HRP to work on FreeBSD, even though it works and looks great on Linux. The eduke32 port once emitted a message telling you about the HRP and where to find it, but never explained how to install it or use it on BSD (and the HRP web site has only Windows and Linux-specific installers). Just looked, and it appears that this reference to the HRP is now removed from the FreeBSD port. -- Tom RussoKM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit! --- The Tick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
Are you running pecl-APC? If so, what version? There's a major issue with the latest. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
Good thought, I just did that. Results: php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell php5.4: fails in random ways This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x. I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution server, so I expect they're not regression testing 8.x any more Packages?? It's better for you to use the ports tree! Ahem. If you will review the messages to which you were responding, you will note that yes, I did build everything from the ports tree. My point is that since they're not building 8.3 packages any more, they're not validating updated ports against 8.3 any more. R's, John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
John R. Levine wrote: Then perhaps you should downgrade to lang/php53 and lang/php53-extensions and compare the results! Good thought, I just did that. Results: php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell php5.4: fails in random ways This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x. I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution server, so I expect they're not regression testing 8.x any more [snip] I had pretty much the same experience. I run apache22 with the event mpm in conjunction with php-fm, utilizing mod_fastcgi to connect the two. This is so I can have a threaded web server and separate it from questionable thread-safe PHP code. I had built PHP with the threading option, and with 5.4.x I had flaky segfaults in some modules. I suspected at the time that there were regressions in thread-safety in more than one module but had zero time to deal with it. I went back down to 5.3.xx just as you and have had no trouble since. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
Are you running pecl-APC? If so, what version? There's a major issue with the latest. Hmmn, that might have been it. I backed down to 5.3, but when I have a chance I'll try 5.4 again without APC. R's, John
mail(1) ~R and REPLYTO
mail(1) man page says: ~R string Use string as the Reply-To field. However, this doesn't seem to work for me. Hitting ~R doesn't have any effect at all. The man page also has: REPLYTO If set, will be used to initialize the Reply-To field for outgo- ing messages. This does work fine. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks Anton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Building a FreeBSD desktop.
I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Building-a-FreeBSD-desktop-tp5735852.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop.
On 6:56:26PM, Locksmith ty...@tristatesafeandlock.com wrote: I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts. The handbook is always a good place to start. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/hardware.html http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.0R/hardware.html -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Building-a-FreeBSD-desktop-tp5735852.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3
Are you running pecl-APC? If so, what version? There's a major issue with the latest. Hmmn, that might have been it. I backed down to 5.3, but when I have a chance I'll try 5.4 again without APC. Tried it without APC, didn't help. We're back to the theory that there's something in PHP 5.4.5 that builds OK on 9.0 but not on 8.x. R's, John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Building a computer for FreeBSD
Is there a list of parts for building a personal computer or do you just read through the hardware list? Tyler Tri-State Safe and Lock 570-832-0277___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Building a computer for FreeBSD
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Tyler Campbell ty...@tristatesafeandlock.com wrote: Is there a list of parts for building a personal computer or do you just read through the hardware list? Usually everything works on standard consumer hardware...defer to big name where possible eg intel. The usual hotspots are video(use Nvidia for path of least resistance/most performance) and brand new hardware. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop.
I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts. If don't want to make the full commitment to building a desktop, a good way to learn about FreeBSD is to install within a virtual machine. Either VMWare or VirtualBox will serve you well. Best regards, James ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Building a computer for FreeBSD
Hi, On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:43:35 -0400 Tyler Campbell ty...@tristatesafeandlock.com wrote: Is there a list of parts for building a personal computer or do you just read through the hardware list? if you use big names like Asus, nothing should go wrong. I would avoid Intel's integrated graphics. As the support for it is not as advanced as for other graphic solutions, this could give you the wrong impression. I use an AMD CPU in an older Asus motherboard with nVidea graphic solution without much problems. These things are on the lower side of the price spectrum. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
