Re: Cloud software ?
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Anyone could help ? Thank you Although it's not cloud-labeled, and: * if you're interested only in data (as in files) management; * and you want to host it your self; , you could take a look over OpenAFS. It's quite nice, works over WAN, supported on most modern OS's, and has strong authentication and authorization. (I don't know about Smartphones, tablets, etc.) Ciprian. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Anyone could help ? Thank you Although it's not cloud-labeled, and: * if you're interested only in data (as in files) management; * and you want to host it your self; , you could take a look over OpenAFS. It's quite nice, works over WAN, supported on most modern OS's, and has strong authentication and authorization. (I don't know about Smartphones, tablets, etc.) Ciprian. Hmm that sounds interesting. Do you know how persistent the local cache is? If I do something like: open some (large) remote file (hence the large file is transferred to the client), reboot the client, and reopen the large file again. Is the large file then transferred again? (assuming no other clients changed the file in the mean time). The website is not particularly specific about the caching policy. If the file is only transferred once it could be useful to sorta kinda fake something like dropbox. Regards, -- - Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Frank Staals fr...@fstaals.net wrote: Ciprian Dorin Craciun ciprian.crac...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Anyone could help ? Thank you Although it's not cloud-labeled, and: * if you're interested only in data (as in files) management; * and you want to host it your self; , you could take a look over OpenAFS. It's quite nice, works over WAN, supported on most modern OS's, and has strong authentication and authorization. (I don't know about Smartphones, tablets, etc.) Ciprian. Hmm that sounds interesting. Do you know how persistent the local cache is? If I do something like: open some (large) remote file (hence the large file is transferred to the client), reboot the client, and reopen the large file again. Is the large file then transferred again? (assuming no other clients changed the file in the mean time). The website is not particularly specific about the caching policy. If the file is only transferred once it could be useful to sorta kinda fake something like dropbox. Regards, I'm not very OpenAFS knowing, I only use it for myself and my family, but I would guess that a persistent cache would survive a reboot. I've also seen something on their mailing list regarding an offline mode (maybe it was called detached mode)? I strongly advise you to take it into consideration as it was made for such purposes and has great support for things like quota, multiple file servers, replication, etc. (It is also used by some large financial companies, maybe JP Morgan?, see their use cases page, but certainly universities are enlisted there, so is CERN.) Ciprian. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On Fri, 25 May 2012 10:11:21 +0200 Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Unless you are telling us what in detail you like to offer to you people, a ssh-account at a server will allow all this. Cheers, Frank -- Frank Lanitz fr...@frank.uvena.de pgpXeuq5W9CTN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Cloud software ?
Hi, You could try sprakleshare, it's something like dropbox in your own server. Marcelo. El vie, 25-05-2012 a las 18:41 -0500, Derek Ragona escribió: At 06:15 AM 5/25/2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 12:10 PM, Dennis Glatting wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) There is a couple of cheap ways of doing this. First, download the free version of VMWare ESXi and partition your hardware. Another is to install VirtualBox, a Type-2 HyperVisor. Depending on what you consider a cloud, take a look at Hadoop. Hadoop isn't partitioning hardware but Hadoop and the applications that run on top of Hadoop can give you an interesting view of these technologies and how they can be applied to cloudy data. As for how to get data into/out-of the cloud, let me know how that works. :) Hi Dennis Thank you for that info ! gonna investigate the hadoop way. I have built and managed a couple large hadoop clusters. Contact me directly for more information. -Derek ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
Thanks Marcelo seems useful for me let's try tomorrow Le 28/05/2012 16:51, Marcelo Celleri a écrit : Hi, You could try sprakleshare, it's something like dropbox in your own server. Marcelo. El vie, 25-05-2012 a las 18:41 -0500, Derek Ragona escribió: At 06:15 AM 5/25/2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 12:10 PM, Dennis Glatting wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) There is a couple of cheap ways of doing this. First, download the free version of VMWare ESXi and partition your hardware. Another is to install VirtualBox, a Type-2 HyperVisor. Depending on what you consider a cloud, take a look at Hadoop. Hadoop isn't partitioning hardware but Hadoop and the applications that run on top of Hadoop can give you an interesting view of these technologies and how they can be applied to cloudy data. As for how to get data into/out-of the cloud, let me know how that works. :) Hi Dennis Thank you for that info ! gonna investigate the hadoop way. I have built and managed a couple large hadoop clusters. Contact me directly for more information. -Derek ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) NFS + AMD The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Aim for device drivers servers that can interact as client server pairs over tcp/ip, Examples: /usr/ports/graphics/xsane http://www.xsane.org/ /usr/ports/sysutils/nut http://www.networkupstools.org/ X windows split screens client proceses. try to avoid neeeding to have to run specific programs only on the host connected to the device. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) Non native English is not the cause of misunderstanding :-) Misunderstanding comes from expecting technolgists to derive much if anything from the Marketer/ Salesman / Manager promoted phrase Cloud Computing, which I've found so far carries nothing new, for those who've already been working in distributed Unix environments. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Cloud software ?
Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Anyone could help ? Thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Anyone could help ? Thank you I do NOT know whether the following pages may be useful for you or not : http://www.xtreemos.org/ http://www.xtreemfs.org/ http://code.google.com/p/xtreemfs/ http://code.google.com/p/xtreemfs/ http://xtreemos-user.wiki.irisa.fr/tiki-index.php?page=Installation+tutorial https://gforge.inria.fr/scm/?group_id=411 https://gforge.inria.fr/scm/viewvc.php/?root=xtreemos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cloud_computing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cloud_platforms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_software_for_cloud_computing Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Cloud-ware for any all devices protocols inc. proprietary ? - In London (Soho, tourist trap area) one used to be able buy cans labelled Scotch Mist, nice tartan painting outside, the can was light. - Computer salesmen have offered vapourware for decades, (then rushed back to their engineers said: We've sold it, now design it!) - A recent advert bore the slogan Would you trust your data to a cloud ? with a small cloud in a dry desert. Anyone could help ? Thank you I suggest first specify, then implement. As that's work, here's a global index of BSD consultants wvailable to work: http://berklix.com/consultants/ Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On 25/05/2012 10:11, Frank Bonnet wrote: a kind of private cloud Uh... Isn't 'private' essentially the antithesis of 'cloud'? Unless you have quite a lot of hardware to play with. I believe what you are looking for is what we old codgers would describe as a Web Site... Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Cloud software ?
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) There is a couple of cheap ways of doing this. First, download the free version of VMWare ESXi and partition your hardware. Another is to install VirtualBox, a Type-2 HyperVisor. Depending on what you consider a cloud, take a look at Hadoop. Hadoop isn't partitioning hardware but Hadoop and the applications that run on top of Hadoop can give you an interesting view of these technologies and how they can be applied to cloudy data. As for how to get data into/out-of the cloud, let me know how that works. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On 05/25/2012 12:10 PM, Dennis Glatting wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) There is a couple of cheap ways of doing this. First, download the free version of VMWare ESXi and partition your hardware. Another is to install VirtualBox, a Type-2 HyperVisor. Depending on what you consider a cloud, take a look at Hadoop. Hadoop isn't partitioning hardware but Hadoop and the applications that run on top of Hadoop can give you an interesting view of these technologies and how they can be applied to cloudy data. As for how to get data into/out-of the cloud, let me know how that works. :) Hi Dennis Thank you for that info ! gonna investigate the hadoop way. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr writes: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Anyone could help ? Thank you As others have also already hinted at, I think you should be more specific about what you want your ``cloud software'' to do. Without that you will get K answers suggesting some software system that try to solve K completely different problems. My part in those K different answers: maybe OwnCloud[1] does something what you would want? Good luck Regards, [1] http://owncloud.org/ -- - Frank ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On Fri, 25 May 2012 12:59:19 +0200 Frank Staals articulated: As others have also already hinted at, I think you should be more specific about what you want your ``cloud software'' to do. Without that you will get K answers suggesting some software system that try to solve K completely different problems. My part in those K different answers: maybe OwnCloud[1] does something what you would want? I fully concur with Matthew's assessment, Isn't 'private' essentially the antithesis of 'cloud'? I would never invest a dime or a single bit of data to a cloud venture. However, that is just my 2¢ on the matter. In any case, good luck with your venture. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Woolsey-Swanson Rule: People would rather live with a problem they cannot solve rather than accept a solution they cannot understand. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
I'm searching for a cloud software :-) look at clouds. More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) if you first define what cloud is - then maybe i can help you. Now cloud is just marketdroid term meaning 100 different things, often contradictory. If for you cloud computing means using remote services, then all FreeBSD available software are cloud software - just log remotely to FreeBSD server, by text (telnet,ssh) or graphics (X11, vnc) which is what i actually do most of the time ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
i think most people talking about cloud solutions have really CLOUDY idea of what they want. Far too much marketing, far too little (if any) description of the needs. On Fri, 25 May 2012, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 25/05/2012 10:11, Frank Bonnet wrote: a kind of private cloud Uh... Isn't 'private' essentially the antithesis of 'cloud'? Unless you have quite a lot of hardware to play with. I believe what you are looking for is what we old codgers would describe as a Web Site... Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
the antithesis of 'cloud'? I would never invest a dime or a single bit of data to a cloud venture. how one can invest of something that isn't even defined clearly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On 05/25/12 14:16, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I'm searching for a cloud software :-) look at clouds. More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) if you first define what cloud is - then maybe i can help you. Now cloud is just marketdroid term meaning 100 different things, often contradictory. With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with cloud computing (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On 05/25/2012 04:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with cloud computing (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the cloud term ... next time I'll choose better words :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
Hello Frank, Am 2012-05-25 10:11:21, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) LOL :-P :-D More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) I do storage and database services since 1999 and run currently more then 400 servers in 6 locations. When some years ago peoples startinfg talking about cloud computing I was puzzeling arround what they mean with it... Realy, - I understood nothing. What they have defined as Cloud Computing I have used already for more then 10 years. Or do they mean with cloud computing adding new interfaces to a huge storage server with an office webinterface ? What I am adding to my service is an access for smartphones and tablets. Something like image galleries (private, groups, public, shared, ACLs), Video Interface (works like YouTube or even private streaming) is already since several years... Yeah, what I am missing is a Web-Version of OpenOffice or LibreOffice, which let users read, create and edit documents... But there is already work in progress. So, what does Cloud Computing realy mean? Something like a clustered hyperspeedy calculator? Yes you can get if from me. The system use unused capacities of my 400 servers plus a self made BladeServer with 256 CPUs (currently only 64 inserted because they are quiet expensive) Anyone could help ? Not realy ;-) becaue it depends, what you undertsnd under Cloud Systems / Cloud Computing / Cloud Networking Thank you Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Cloud software ?
On 05/25/12 15:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with cloud computing (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the cloud term ... I wasn't flaming, just remarking on the fact that the meaning of cloud depends on the company that is trying to sell you cloud related products. next time I'll choose better words :-) A bit more specific would be useful. we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices could be taken to mean anything from WebDAV/Dropbox functionality to Hadoop type processing or data mining. What sort of and how much manipulation is needed? If you answer that it would let us help you more. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On 05/25/2012 04:49 PM, Arthur Chance wrote: On 05/25/12 15:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with cloud computing (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the cloud term ... I wasn't flaming, just remarking on the fact that the meaning of cloud depends on the company that is trying to sell you cloud related products. next time I'll choose better words :-) A bit more specific would be useful. we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices could be taken to mean anything from WebDAV/Dropbox functionality to Hadoop type processing or data mining. What sort of and how much manipulation is needed? If you answer that it would let us help you more. Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Frank Bonnet f.bon...@esiee.fr wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:49 PM, Arthur Chance wrote: On 05/25/12 15:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with cloud computing (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the cloud term ... I wasn't flaming, just remarking on the fact that the meaning of cloud depends on the company that is trying to sell you cloud related products. next time I'll choose better words :-) A bit more specific would be useful. we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices could be taken to mean anything from WebDAV/Dropbox functionality to Hadoop type processing or data mining. What sort of and how much manipulation is needed? If you answer that it would let us help you more. Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-servers.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nfs.html 30.3 Network File System (NFS) Use NFS : Define each computer as both Server to serve to other users(s) and Client .to see the other server(s) . If there are Windows computers , you may also use SAMBA : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-samba.html 30.9 File and Print Services for Microsoft® Windows® Clients (Samba) Windows 7 may see NFS , but previous editions , personally I do NOT know any possibility . http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/sonasic/sonas1ic/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.sonas.doc%2Fusgr_cnnctng_via_nfs_frm_wndws.html Enabling the NFS client on a Windows 7 system: 1. Select Control Panel. 2. Select Programs. 3. Select Programs and Features. 4. Select Turn Windows Features on or off. 5. Select Services for NFS. 6. Select the check box Client for NFS and click OK. Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
Hi! On 25.05.2012 17:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:49 PM, Arthur Chance wrote: On 05/25/12 15:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 04:04 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with cloud computing (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the cloud term ... I wasn't flaming, just remarking on the fact that the meaning of cloud depends on the company that is trying to sell you cloud related products. next time I'll choose better words :-) A bit more specific would be useful. we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices could be taken to mean anything from WebDAV/Dropbox functionality to Hadoop type processing or data mining. What sort of and how much manipulation is needed? If you answer that it would let us help you more. Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) Well, this should reduce the cloud to an sftp-server or - if their stuff isn't security sensitive to an ftp-server. Greetings Uli. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On 05/25/12 16:12, Frank Bonnet wrote: [big snip] Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) That's fine. OK, so you're after basic file system visibility everywhere. You should look at Mehmet Erol Sanliturk's reply as well, he gives useful links. As he said in his post, NFS is the first place to start. It's available on FreeBSD, Linux, Mac OS, other Unix derived systems, and Windows 7. The one thing to be careful of is that it works best when you have all home directories on central servers and all access is on client machines. It is possible to cross mount NFS that machines act as both servers and clients but it has many problems and one server crashing can cause everything to lock up. (Been there, done that, cursed repeatedly.) For earlier ( 7) Windows boxes, one possibility is running Samba on the Unix servers. This would seem most natural to a Windows user as they merely have to browse the network to find the shared file systems. However, another possibility is running a WebDAV server that makes the home directories visible. Windows (= XP) can connect drive letters to WebDAV servers, and there are also Android and iPhone apps that can access WebDAV. This would let smartphone and tablet users get to the shared data, if that's useful. Please note that I use Android but not iOS, so any IOS suggestions are from a quick Google search, not experience. It also seems that you have to pay for the relevant iOS apps. Maybe an iPhone/iPad user can improve on this? I hope this is of some help. Possibly useful links: The handbook chapter on network servers. This covers NFS, Samba and Apache which can be used for WebDAV. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/book.html#NETWORK-SERVERS Wikipedia on WebDAV. This links onwards to all sorts of related resources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV An Android app that can access WebDAV (and much more besides). This is one I use, but please note that I haven't used it specifically for WebDAV. You may be able to find others but this is well rated. It's got free and paid for versions. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xcxin.filexpert A (paid for) iPhone WebDAV app. Apparently iWork for iOS can also handle WebDAV, but I know nothing about it or its suitability. http://greenbytes.de/dav-e.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
Quoth Wojciech Puchar on Friday, 25 May 2012: With apologies to Joni Mitchell: I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, It's cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds, at all. Well, someone had to say it. :-) It summarises the marketing hype perfectly. fashion is quite often deciding factor not just in clothes. Actually it works just the same in IT. What is funny with cloud computing (new fashion trend) is that isn't defined at all. most probably marketing people found out that it is not needed to define anything to make people buyANYTHING. $ man -k cloud http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-05-25 -- .O. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..O | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgpSv8z6cK5bB.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Cloud software ?
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) Access is still a bit vague, but security/openvpn may be part of the answer: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
On Fri, 25 May 2012 12:11:43 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) Access is still a bit vague, but security/openvpn may be part of the answer: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source.html Some months ago, I read about an in-browser implementation of VNC (if I remember correctly), but I didn't store the link. Maybe that is an inspiration? Simple solution for simple people: People love web browsers, and the web is everywhere. So why deal with OS-specific access methods when all they need is a web browser, which is a solution they'll prefer anyway? There are also SSH clients written in Java or JavaScript. Together with webmail, web-based collaboration services and web-based storage concepts, why not add this to the mix? I know, attack vector, security hole, slow, unhandy and accessibility very limited to what the browser can do (both on input and output), but isn't that what people believe in? Don't disturb their circles, just give them what they pray for, a cloud... a shiny foggy cloud... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 09:47:24 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: $ man -k cloud http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2012-05-25 Very nice, but please compare: http://xkcd.com/908/ :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
Well ... My goal was NOT to start a flame war around the cloud term ... you didn't. You just started a flame of requests to be more precise and go down from the clouds to earth. So finally write down what you need, and we most probably can help you. But... if you want to just sell some solution, make anything and just promote it enough calling it cloud computing and it would probably sell ;) until this bubble (just like bubbles before) would crash ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
Well ... in short I need to let our users ( students + profs ) access and share their data ( living in their UNIX home directories ) The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) yes NOW IT IS CLEAR. Couldn't you start that way. There are many solutions and it depends of what you need. On large scale maybe something like AFS? Or maybe far more trivial methods would be enough. It all depends. fell free to mail me privately. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-nfs.html 30.3 Network File System (NFS) Use NFS : Define each computer as both Server to serve to other users(s) and Client .to see the other server(s) . If there are Windows computers , you may also use SAMBA : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-samba.html all are great and heavily used be me but i think it may not fit on distributed environment with where network is far slower than 100Mbit/s inbetween. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
At 03:11 AM 5/25/2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) Anyone could help ? Thank you Take a look at OpenStack http://openstack.org/ The latest release which is Essex, includes a web based dashboard. This is OpenSource, and definitely a work in progress but the Essex release should provide most of the cloud functionality. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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The access must be easy and possible from as much devices as possible. Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) Well, this should reduce the cloud to an sftp-server or - if their stuff isn't security sensitive to an ftp-server. depends on connectivity. If you just want to access small files sometimes then right. or have high speed connections, then SAMBA and NFS is right tool. if you want 1000 users to have their home directories always on their computers but with copy kept centrally, then it would be best to keep it locally and run rsync (for unix users) or syncback under windoze to just synchronize it every day after work. If you need some shared directories but where one person changes data and other reads - then still that solution is great. But if you don't have fast links, operate on directories shared between users where more than one have to write, then something more complex is needed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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As he said in his post, NFS is the first place to start. It's available on FreeBSD, Linux, Mac OS, other Unix derived systems, and Windows 7. The one thing to be careful of is that it works best when you have all home directories on central servers and all access is on client machines. It is i would strongly recommend serving windows clients with windows protocol (samba), it is just simple and works great For earlier ( 7) Windows boxes, one possibility is running Samba on the Unix servers. This would seem most natural to a Windows user as they merely have to browse the network to find the shared file systems. With windows 7 samba still is far better. And with NFS you will not be able to enforce security without making separate filesystem for each user. However, another possibility is running a WebDAV server that makes the home directories visible. Windows (= XP) can connect drive letters to WebDAV servers, and there are also Android and iPhone apps that can access WebDAV. if really someone needs HTTP based file access (IMHO stupid) because phones require this i would rather set it up parallel to SAMBA and/or NFS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
Am I clear enough ? ( sorry English is not my native language ...) Access is still a bit vague, but security/openvpn may be part of the answer: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source.html for windows users i would recommend mpd - it provides VPN in windows standard, just use windows add connection, select VPN connection to work and go on. Some months ago, I read about an in-browser implementation of VNC (if I remember correctly), but I didn't store the link. Maybe that is an inspiration? Simple solution for simple people: People love web browsers, and the web is everywhere. So why deal with OS-specific access methods when all they need is a web browser, which is a solution they'll prefer anyway? There are also SSH clients written in Java or JavaScript. if you can make people use unix-only software, this is fine. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Cloud software ?
At 06:15 AM 5/25/2012, Frank Bonnet wrote: On 05/25/2012 12:10 PM, Dennis Glatting wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 10:11 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I'm searching for a cloud software :-) More precisely we would like to offer to our students and professors a kind of private cloud to access/manipulate their personnal data from almost anywhere and with almost any devices ... ( Personnal PC, Mac, smartphones and tablets ... etc ) There is a couple of cheap ways of doing this. First, download the free version of VMWare ESXi and partition your hardware. Another is to install VirtualBox, a Type-2 HyperVisor. Depending on what you consider a cloud, take a look at Hadoop. Hadoop isn't partitioning hardware but Hadoop and the applications that run on top of Hadoop can give you an interesting view of these technologies and how they can be applied to cloudy data. As for how to get data into/out-of the cloud, let me know how that works. :) Hi Dennis Thank you for that info ! gonna investigate the hadoop way. I have built and managed a couple large hadoop clusters. Contact me directly for more information. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
