Re: Perl 5.10?
On Tuesday 23 December 2008 03:27:19 Jerry wrote: Since it does seem to work quite well under Linux, I was wondering if there was some fundamental flaw in FBSD that prevented it from working correctly here. Even so, failing to get a major project like Perl running properly in over a year on FBSD does not bode well for the OS. Aside from the rest said in this thread, maybe you should consider the fact that it's a cross platform scripting language's responsibility to provide compatibility for the operating system, not the other way around. Also, Perl should really be cremated already, but you can file that under 'opinion'. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perl 5.10?
Bruce Cran wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:47:21 -0700 Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote: Jerry wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:06:46 -0800 (PST) Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum bg271...@yahoo.com wrote: Its now just over a year since Perl 5.10.0 was relased, but its still not in FreeBSD. (/usr/ports/lang only has 5.8). [...] on the contrary, when 5.8 was released, it took a long time to move to that. And when I asked that question on IRC (why 5.10 isn't currently used), it was described to me that the 5.6 to 5.8 move broke everything and caused lots of headache. World and Kernel used to (at least) use perl as a glue to make stuff works. I bet there's at least some 5.8 glue for world or kernel. perl was removed from the base system back in 2002 (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2002-May/000823.html) so there can't be anything in the world or kernel build that depends on it. It's one of the first things installed during an initial ports installation though. It is still true that the change from 5.6 to 5.8 was very disruptive because it broke lots of things in the ports tree. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perl 5.10?
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:45:12 + Kris Kennaway k...@freebsd.org wrote: [snip] It is still true that the change from 5.6 to 5.8 was very disruptive because it broke lots of things in the ports tree. Is this the official reason that Perl-5.10 has not been released into the ports tree? Are ports being tied to specific versions of Perl? I did some Googling and found that of the users that have installed Perl from source on FBSD, most were not experiencing any major problem. If every time Perl is updated it will require massive changes or whatever to the FBSD ports, then perhaps there is a fundamental flaw in the ports system to start with. Perhaps you could list what the specific problems are so that others might start looking for solutions. This is really the first time that I have become aware of problems between Perl and the ports system. Just my 2ยข. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone. Steven Wright signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Perl 5.10?
Jerry ges...@yahoo.com writes: Are ports being tied to specific versions of Perl? I did some Googling and found that of the users that have installed Perl from source on FBSD, most were not experiencing any major problem. If every time Perl is updated it will require massive changes or whatever to the FBSD ports, then perhaps there is a fundamental flaw in the ports system to start with. There is no requirement any port use Perl. Many do. There is no requiremment that any Perl-using port use a particular version. Many - I would guess most - do, at least to the extent of requiring the same major version (e.g. 5.x). There are 63 instances of USE_PERL5 in ports/textproc alone. I'm not a major direct Perl user, but I remember the jumps from 5.0 to 5.6 and from 5.6 to 5.8. Both required the testing of every affected port, and as I remember it problems were discovered in both the ports and in the new Perl itself. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perl 5.10?
Jerry wrote: On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:45:12 + Kris Kennaway k...@freebsd.org wrote: [snip] It is still true that the change from 5.6 to 5.8 was very disruptive because it broke lots of things in the ports tree. Is this the official reason that Perl-5.10 has not been released into the ports tree? Are ports being tied to specific versions of Perl? I did some Googling and found that of the users that have installed Perl from source on FBSD, most were not experiencing any major problem. If every time Perl is updated it will require massive changes or whatever to the FBSD ports, then perhaps there is a fundamental flaw in the ports system to start with. The issue with 5.8 was that the perl developers made various incompatible changes that broke lots of third party software included in the ports tree, which all had to be fixed. I don't know what the issue is with 5.10. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perl 5.10?
Jerry wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:06:46 -0800 (PST) Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum bg271...@yahoo.com wrote: Its now just over a year since Perl 5.10.0 was relased, but its still not in FreeBSD. (/usr/ports/lang only has 5.8). Can someone tell me why? Is there any way to get it working stably? Is there any schedule for when it will be added? This is a major release of a major language, not an obscure maintenence update. I asked that same question on the FreeBSD-Ports forum a few months ago; however, I never did receive a satisfactory answer. I believe it is readily apparent that it will not be included with the next release of FreeBSD; i.e., '7.1'. Since it does seem to work quite well under Linux, I was wondering if there was some fundamental flaw in FBSD that prevented it from working correctly here. Even so, failing to get a major project like Perl running properly in over a year on FBSD does not bode well for the OS. on the contrary, when 5.8 was released, it took a long time to move to that. And when I asked that question on IRC (why 5.10 isn't currently used), it was described to me that the 5.6 to 5.8 move broke everything and caused lots of headache. World and Kernel used to (at least) use perl as a glue to make stuff works. I bet there's at least some 5.8 glue for world or kernel. You can always download the source and compile it yourself. Perl's popular enough that I bet it'll compile fine. I hear it completely as: 1) World glue may break, and until you can be sure it'll work okay, wait. 2) Kernel glue may break, and until you can be sure it'll work okay, wait. 3) Ports glue/dependencies may break, and until you can be sure it'll work okay, wait. Given it's taken a year (I didn't realize it was that long) for this wait/check to happen, there must be something holding it up. You might be able to coexist 5.10 and 5.8 -- except the symlink 'perl' will point to ONE of them. I suggest you point it at 5.8 Good luck. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perl 5.10?
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:47:21 -0700 Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote: Jerry wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:06:46 -0800 (PST) Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum bg271...@yahoo.com wrote: Its now just over a year since Perl 5.10.0 was relased, but its still not in FreeBSD. (/usr/ports/lang only has 5.8). [...] on the contrary, when 5.8 was released, it took a long time to move to that. And when I asked that question on IRC (why 5.10 isn't currently used), it was described to me that the 5.6 to 5.8 move broke everything and caused lots of headache. World and Kernel used to (at least) use perl as a glue to make stuff works. I bet there's at least some 5.8 glue for world or kernel. perl was removed from the base system back in 2002 (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2002-May/000823.html) so there can't be anything in the world or kernel build that depends on it. It's one of the first things installed during an initial ports installation though. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perl 5.10?
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:06:46 -0800 (PST) Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum bg271...@yahoo.com wrote: Its now just over a year since Perl 5.10.0 was relased, but its still not in FreeBSD. (/usr/ports/lang only has 5.8). Can someone tell me why? Is there any way to get it working stably? Is there any schedule for when it will be added? This is a major release of a major language, not an obscure maintenence update. I asked that same question on the FreeBSD-Ports forum a few months ago; however, I never did receive a satisfactory answer. I believe it is readily apparent that it will not be included with the next release of FreeBSD; i.e., '7.1'. Since it does seem to work quite well under Linux, I was wondering if there was some fundamental flaw in FBSD that prevented it from working correctly here. Even so, failing to get a major project like Perl running properly in over a year on FBSD does not bode well for the OS. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com When everything is coming your way, you are probably in the wrong lane. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
