Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:24:51 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: i dont have a clue what a chording keybd is; This kind of keyboard uses key combination of its FEWER keys to generate characters (or even syllables or words). The name chorded is used synonymously with instruments like the guitar where you use one hand to hold down certain strings in a defined manner, and then it plays a chord like A major or D minor. There's an initial article about it on WP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorded_keyboard This kind of keyboard is typically used by court recorders in the US. They are trained to record whole conversations in real time directly onto paper. By bressing three, four or more keys at a time, a specific output is generated by the device. It's often called stenotype, because it's like typing in stenography, emphasizing that's a phonetic code in the foreground. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Stenkeys.gif http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/Steno-example.gif Also typewriters for blind persons use this approach. The model Erika Picht Portable (paper format DIN A5 I think) is still well known to me. There's also a regular (DIN A4) model, produced by Schreibmaschinenwerke Dresden (type- writer works Dresden), part of the combinate robotron. Those machines are _stiill_ produced in Dresden. http://www.aph.org/museum/images/braillewriters/30.jpg http://petitmuseedubraille.free.fr/_machines-braille/images/_m15a.jpg http://www.gfai-sachsen.de/images/Erika-Picht_MultiTech-E511_800.jpg Input devices with comparable key layouts are also available for the PC, but instead of stenotype, they generate regular characters. i v much like this vivaldi 7 tablet, just as-is. i wonder if a future 7inch model could have more memory Along with a slide-in kybd. slide out and work: edit, use ffox, konsole or xterms, then slide back in place. this tablet could replace the ipad, nook, asus. Interesting thought. Maybe it wouldn't target home commodity users in the first place, but a sliding keyboard could be a benefit for professional users who want to do more than just watching movies on such a thing. It would also help to bring the concept of separating input and output to the device in a physical manner (because it might be useful in certain conditions when your fingers aren't located at places where you are supposed to read something), and STILL keeping the regular touch interface (no real separation) available, intact and unbroken. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
I position a tablet as a consumer device. Web surfing, watching video, a
little texting. A student slate must support creativity, especially
writing. At the same time I see the qwerty keyboard as an obstacle, hard to
learn, impossible to use while holding the slate. I want HWR as good as the
Newton, and buttons for a chording keyboard along the bottom on both sides.
Buttons support two handed use or one handed, either side. For those who
prefer classic keyboard, plug in a USB model.
So much of what I want just isn't there. But it is possible.
Gary Dunn
Open Slate Project
http://openslate.org/
On Mar 27, 2012 9:46 AM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:28:50AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:28:50 +1000
From: Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au
Subject: Re: Vivaldi Tablet
To: Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
On 03/27/12 09:32, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Da Rock wrote:
To ex...
you guys have any thoughts about a tiny {7} keyboard
plugin? i'm wondering if my VBC project might work with
this tablet. i've never seen a keyboard that small. nice
tablet, tho.
gary
PS: i keep looking for tablets with a real keyboard. not
very much. So far... .
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Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:05:19PM -1000, Open Slate wrote: I position a tablet as a consumer device. Web surfing, watching video, a little texting. A student slate must support creativity, especially writing. At the same time I see the qwerty keyboard as an obstacle, hard to learn, impossible to use while holding the slate. I want HWR as good as the Newton, and buttons for a chording keyboard along the bottom on both sides. Buttons support two handed use or one handed, either side. For those who prefer classic keyboard, plug in a USB model. I think learning a chording keyboard is going to be much more of an obstacle than using a QWERTY keyboard, considering you can hunt-and-peck on a QWERTY keyboard, but you have to know the chords to do anything on a chording keyboard. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:19:54AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:19:54 -0600 From: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com Subject: Re: Vivaldi Tablet To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:05:19PM -1000, Open Slate wrote: I position a tablet as a consumer device. Web surfing, watching video, a little texting. A student slate must support creativity, especially writing. At the same time I see the qwerty keyboard as an obstacle, hard to learn, impossible to use while holding the slate. I want HWR as good as the Newton, and buttons for a chording keyboard along the bottom on both sides. Buttons support two handed use or one handed, either side. For those who prefer classic keyboard, plug in a USB model. I think learning a chording keyboard is going to be much more of an obstacle than using a QWERTY keyboard, considering you can hunt-and-peck on a QWERTY keyboard, but you have to know the chords to do anything on a chording keyboard. i dont have a clue what a chording keybd is; will google after a long nap1 also, i have lost track of who posted the 'fentek' page, but that is where i got my present mine. i v much like this vivaldi 7 tablet, just as-is. i wonder if a future 7inch model could have more memory Along with a slide-in kybd. slide out and work: edit, use ffox, konsole or xterms, then slide back in place. this tablet could replace the ipad, nook, asus. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Voice By Computer (for Universal Access): http:/www.thought.org/vbc The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 04:24:51PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:19:54AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I think learning a chording keyboard is going to be much more of an obstacle than using a QWERTY keyboard, considering you can hunt-and-peck on a QWERTY keyboard, but you have to know the chords to do anything on a chording keyboard. i dont have a clue what a chording keybd is; will google after a long nap1 also, i have lost track of who posted the 'fentek' page, but that is where i got my present mine. A chording keyboard is a keyboard or other button-press interface with fewer keys so it can fit on a smaller device, where many keycodes are gotten by way of combining presses of multiple keys rather than a single key as on a standard QWERTY keyboard. Thus, for instance, where on a QWERTY keyboard you get a capital A by holding the Shift key and pressing the A key, you might on a chording keyboard also get a lower-case A by holding down some key and pressing another key. This works for keyboards with fewer keys because there are many potential combinations of keys that could be used; if all keycodes are achieved by a two-button chord, all the keys on a standard 101-key keyboard, plus all Alt-, Shift-, and Ctrl-chord keycodes, could be simulated by a mere twenty keys. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
The Twiddler 2.1 keyboard is a good example of a chorded keyboard. It became popular with wearable computers where the user wore a heads-up augmented reality type display. Cheers...Fish 28.03.12, 19:25, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 04:24:51PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:19:54AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I think learning a chording keyboard is going to be much more of an obstacle than using a QWERTY keyboard, considering you can hunt-and-peck on a QWERTY keyboard, but you have to know the chords to do anything on a chording keyboard. i dont have a clue what a chording keybd is; will google after a long nap1 also, i have lost track of who posted the 'fentek' page, but that is where i got my present mine. A chording keyboard is a keyboard or other button-press interface with fewer keys so it can fit on a smaller device, where many keycodes are gotten by way of combining presses of multiple keys rather than a single key as on a standard QWERTY keyboard. Thus, for instance, where on a QWERTY keyboard you get a capital A by holding the Shift key and pressing the A key, you might on a chording keyboard also get a lower-case A by holding down some key and pressing another key. This works for keyboards with fewer keys because there are many potential combinations of keys that could be used; if all keycodes are achieved by a two-button chord, all the keys on a standard 101-key keyboard, plus all Alt-, Shift-, and Ctrl-chord keycodes, could be simulated by a mere twenty keys. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile: http://m.ya.ru/ymail ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:24:40 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 04:24:51PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 09:19:54AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I think learning a chording keyboard is going to be much more of an obstacle than using a QWERTY keyboard, considering you can hunt-and-peck on a QWERTY keyboard, but you have to know the chords to do anything on a chording keyboard. i dont have a clue what a chording keybd is; will google after a long nap1 also, i have lost track of who posted the 'fentek' page, but that is where i got my present mine. A chording keyboard is a keyboard or other button-press interface with fewer keys so it can fit on a smaller device, where many keycodes are gotten by way of combining presses of multiple keys rather than a single key as on a standard QWERTY keyboard. Thus, for instance, where on a QWERTY keyboard you get a capital A by holding the Shift key and pressing the A key, you might on a chording keyboard also get a lower-case A by holding down some key and pressing another key. This works for keyboards with fewer keys because there are many potential combinations of keys that could be used; if all keycodes are achieved by a two-button chord, all the keys on a standard 101-key keyboard, plus all Alt-, Shift-, and Ctrl-chord keycodes, could be simulated by a mere twenty keys. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I saw a demo of a device about 30 years ago that you held in one hand. It had about five buttons positioned under your fingers, and various combinations would produce all the regular characters. They claimed you could learn to use it in a few hours, and would be as fast as a typist. It didn't survive, and I can't remember what it was called. I thought it was a great invention - shows how wrong one can be. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012, Mike Jeays wrote: I saw a demo of a device about 30 years ago that you held in one hand. It had about five buttons positioned under your fingers, and various combinations would produce all the regular characters. Sounds like learning to play the saxophone. -- Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging / ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:28:50AM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:28:50 +1000
From: Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au
Subject: Re: Vivaldi Tablet
To: Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
On 03/27/12 09:32, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Da Rock wrote:
To explain the major hurdle in porting to a tablet, you'd need to probably
find an alternative windowing solution then Xorg (low memory, especially in
vivaldi)- I'm not 100% sure what iOS and Android use.
iOS uses a descendant of the Display PostScript WindowServer from NEXTSTEP,
although the locals have switched over to Core Graphics with Quartz as the
2D compositing engine [1], along with OpenGL ES for 3D.
Interesting... Android would be using something else obviously FOSS.
you guys have any thoughts about a tiny {7} keyboard
plugin? i'm wondering if my VBC project might work with
this tablet. i've never seen a keyboard that small. nice
tablet, tho.
gary
PS: i keep looking for tablets with a real keyboard. not
very much. So far... .
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Re: Vivaldi Tablet
Jumping in a bit late. I have had a goal of FreeBSD on a slate/tablet
computer for roughly ten years. The comments in this thread echo my
experience. Put simply, the primary focus of FreeBSD has been as a server.
The Gnome team has worked hard to bring the OS to the desktop, with limited
success.
There are many things required before my slate concept can be realized.
o power management
o pen digitizer interface
o HWR
o pen friendly UI comparable to Newton OS
o components that support a self-made (maker) approach to the hardware
I still hold on to my goal. No telling when enough people will get
interested.
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:28:50 +1000
From: Da Rock freebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au
Subject: Re: Vivaldi Tablet
To: Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
On 03/27/12 09:32, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Da Rock wrote:
To ex...
you guys have any thoughts about a tiny {7} keyboard
plugin? i'm wondering if my VBC project might work with
this tablet. i've never seen a keyboard that small. nice
tablet, tho.
gary
PS: i keep looking for tablets with a real keyboard. not
very much. So far... .
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Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On 03/28/12 08:03, Open Slate wrote:
Jumping in a bit late. I have had a goal of FreeBSD on a slate/tablet
computer for roughly ten years. The comments in this thread echo my
experience. Put simply, the primary focus of FreeBSD has been as a server.
The Gnome team has worked hard to bring the OS to the desktop, with limited
success.
There are many things required before my slate concept can be realized.
o power management
o pen digitizer interface
o HWR
o pen friendly UI comparable to Newton OS
o components that support a self-made (maker) approach to the hardware
I still hold on to my goal. No telling when enough people will get
interested.
+1
I'm not sure the pen interface is particularly necessary, but the touch
screen should be able to handle both pen and finger touch.
Another thought is in the apps to be used with the tablet- obviously
they need to be binary packages, so that presents another problem there
(as has come up on this list many times).
As for the last, I have yet to find a whitebox laptop (particularly
AMD based); apart from the dev kits I haven't seen any whitebox
tablets either.
On Mar 27, 2012 9:46 AM, Gary Klinekl...@thought.org wrote:
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:28:50 +1000
From: Da Rockfreebsd-questi...@herveybayaustralia.com.au
Subject: Re: Vivaldi Tablet
To: Chuck Swigercswi...@mac.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
On 03/27/12 09:32, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Da Rock wrote:
To ex...
you guys have any thoughts about a tiny {7} keyboard
plugin? i'm wondering if my VBC project might work with
this tablet. i've never seen a keyboard that small. nice
tablet, tho.
gary
PS: i keep looking for tablets with a real keyboard. not
very much. So far... .
Isn't that the point of a tablet? To touch rather than type? Otherwise
it becomes just a disjointed laptop... :)
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Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 04:26:29PM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:26:29 -0700
From: Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com
Subject: Re: Vivaldi Tablet
To: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org
Cc: FreeBSD - freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
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On Mar 27, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Gary Kline wrote:
you guys have any thoughts about a tiny {7} keyboard
plugin? i'm wondering if my VBC project might work with
this tablet. i've never seen a keyboard that small. nice
tablet, tho.
7 is too small for a QUERTY layout...you just can't do that without 11-12
of space. There have been folks working on one-handed chord keyboards
which might fit into that space, but they have a steep learning curve.
Regards,
--
-Chuck
how about the eee-701s? they are no mo' but used to have a
70% of full size keyboard. my eee-900A had All the std
keys. do we really need the F[n] keys?
anyway, if not a tiny kybd, maybe a small one.
Another thought: isnt there a rubber keyboard that rolls up
or folds in half? IIRC, the keys do compress [about one
mm],
and with the heavy THUNK sound:: hey.
anyway/nutshell, i do like this vivaldi tablet. =if= it had
a thunkable and real keybd.
gary
PS critical note. am i mis-remembering, or did someone say
that eee//ASUS was going to make a *quality* ten inch
netbook? my VBC WOUld work seriously well on that.
anybody??
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Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:21:45 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: how about the eee-701s? they are no mo' but used to have a 70% of full size keyboard. my eee-900A had All the std keys. do we really need the F[n] keys? anyway, if not a tiny kybd, maybe a small one. Maybe I can suggest the Happy Hacking keyboard here? It's small in size and popular amnong hackers. It does not have PF keys (those can be emulated by Fn+number, comparable to Alt+number on early 3270's). Its dimensions are about 11 x 4.5 x 1.5 at less than 1.5Lb weight. However, this is an external (USB2) keyboard. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 02:37:49AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 02:37:49 +0200 From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Subject: Re: Vivaldi Tablet To: Gary Kline kl...@thought.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:21:45 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: how about the eee-701s? they are no mo' but used to have a 70% of full size keyboard. my eee-900A had All the std keys. do we really need the F[n] keys? anyway, if not a tiny kybd, maybe a small one. Maybe I can suggest the Happy Hacking keyboard here? It's small in size and popular amnong hackers. It does not have PF keys (those can be emulated by Fn+number, comparable to Alt+number on early 3270's). Its dimensions are about 11 x 4.5 x 1.5 at less than 1.5Lb weight. However, this is an external (USB2) keyboard. in jan or feb i bought a mini sized kybd. it is i think 11.5 long. it save loads of travel time for my finger and shoulder. I Did ck the ASUS Website a few days ago, but couldnt be sure of anything. thats why i asked -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Voice By Computer (for Universal Access): http:/www.thought.org/vbc The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 02:37:49AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:21:45 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: how about the eee-701s? they are no mo' but used to have a 70% of full size keyboard. my eee-900A had All the std keys. do we really need the F[n] keys? anyway, if not a tiny kybd, maybe a small one. Maybe I can suggest the Happy Hacking keyboard here? It's small in size and popular amnong hackers. It does not have PF keys (those can be emulated by Fn+number, comparable to Alt+number on early 3270's). Its dimensions are about 11 x 4.5 x 1.5 at less than 1.5Lb weight. However, this is an external (USB2) keyboard. I was thinking of mentioning the Happy Hacking keyboard, but I see you beat me to it. I have not used one for more than a few minutes once, though. Does the Fn+number work with Ctrl+Alt+Fnumber combination to move around between TTY consoles? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:48:34 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 02:37:49AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:21:45 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: how about the eee-701s? they are no mo' but used to have a 70% of full size keyboard. my eee-900A had All the std keys. do we really need the F[n] keys? anyway, if not a tiny kybd, maybe a small one. Maybe I can suggest the Happy Hacking keyboard here? It's small in size and popular amnong hackers. It does not have PF keys (those can be emulated by Fn+number, comparable to Alt+number on early 3270's). Its dimensions are about 11 x 4.5 x 1.5 at less than 1.5Lb weight. However, this is an external (USB2) keyboard. I was thinking of mentioning the Happy Hacking keyboard, but I see you beat me to it. I have not used one for more than a few minutes once, though. Does the Fn+number work with Ctrl+Alt+Fnumber combination to move around between TTY consoles? As far as I remember, it does. I don't have a HHK here to check. From what I know, the keyboard generates the proper codes internally, so Fn+number is equivalent to PF number in any regards, and therefore any combination with Ctrl and/or Alt should also work as expected. To the computer, it should be no difference from a real keyboard. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:54:03AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:48:34 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I was thinking of mentioning the Happy Hacking keyboard, but I see you beat me to it. I have not used one for more than a few minutes once, though. Does the Fn+number work with Ctrl+Alt+Fnumber combination to move around between TTY consoles? As far as I remember, it does. I don't have a HHK here to check. From what I know, the keyboard generates the proper codes internally, so Fn+number is equivalent to PF number in any regards, and therefore any combination with Ctrl and/or Alt should also work as expected. To the computer, it should be no difference from a real keyboard. My concern in this regard would be whether the keyboard knows that the Fn key is supposed to be applied to the Fnum key, and not to the Ctrl or Alt key. If neither the Ctrl or Alt key is modifiable by the Fn key, I guess that might be a non-issue, but I'm pretty sure that (for instance) the Fn key on a ThinkPad is meant to be used with only one other key at a time. It's just not meant to make up for the lack of standard keyboard keys, so there isn't any conflict. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 07:21:51PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: Considering that FreeBS positions itself 'primrily' as a _server_ OS, I would suggest that it is 'unlikely'. I suppose iXsystems and the PC-BSD project might be a place to send out feelers as well, being more interested in end-user stuff than the pretty server-sysadmin heavy crowd here. There are a lot of people in this community interested in more than just servers, though, so I don't see why the fact FreeBSD is good for servers should be an impediment to seeking out people with an interest in tablet ports. *I*, for one, would hope that porting to the 'Rasberry Pi' has higher priority. So would I. If someone decided to tackle the Vivaldi platform, though, I wouldn't complain. Now, if somebody in the 'Vivaldi' community wants to gather up _all_ the relevant 'technical data' for configuring/accessing/programming *ALL* the included hardware, and -publish- it in one EASILY ACCESSIBLE place, that would be a good start. This might be a start: http://opentablets.org/page/index.html/_/news/makeplaylive-sparknow-vivaldi-zenithink-c71-r13 If such a somebody were to _also_ provide 'funding' for a porting project, that would undoubtedly move such a project to a high position on the 'to do' list'. Otherwise, Skippy, you, -YOURSELF-. will need to find a 'guru' with the appropriate knowledge/skills *and* enough interest' in the project to tackle it. I think the point of the initial email to start this thread was to see if there were people in the community with an interest in working on this project, and might actually be a fairly logical step toward an effort to find a 'guru' to work on it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On 03/27/12 01:42, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 07:21:51PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: Considering that FreeBS positions itself 'primrily' as a _server_ OS, I would suggest that it is 'unlikely'. I suppose iXsystems and the PC-BSD project might be a place to send out feelers as well, being more interested in end-user stuff than the pretty server-sysadmin heavy crowd here. There are a lot of people in this community interested in more than just servers, though, so I don't see why the fact FreeBSD is good for servers should be an impediment to seeking out people with an interest in tablet ports. *I*, for one, would hope that porting to the 'Rasberry Pi' has higher priority. So would I. If someone decided to tackle the Vivaldi platform, though, I wouldn't complain. Now, if somebody in the 'Vivaldi' community wants to gather up _all_ the relevant 'technical data' for configuring/accessing/programming *ALL* the included hardware, and -publish- it in one EASILY ACCESSIBLE place, that would be a good start. This might be a start: http://opentablets.org/page/index.html/_/news/makeplaylive-sparknow-vivaldi-zenithink-c71-r13 If such a somebody were to _also_ provide 'funding' for a porting project, that would undoubtedly move such a project to a high position on the 'to do' list'. Otherwise, Skippy, you, -YOURSELF-. will need to find a 'guru' with the appropriate knowledge/skills *and* enough interest' in the project to tackle it. I think the point of the initial email to start this thread was to see if there were people in the community with an interest in working on this project, and might actually be a fairly logical step toward an effort to find a 'guru' to work on it. Actually I think the point of the email was to prop up the member numbers on the site. The platform itself is just an ordinary aPad which can be hacked. As for the open source community interest, well it already runs linux natively- android- so not entirely sure what the fuss is about (might explain the population there). If anyone was interested in porting FreeBSD to tablets there are plenty of dev kits out there to play with; and if the cost is excessive then grab an aPad off eBay for $50. To explain the major hurdle in porting to a tablet, you'd need to probably find an alternative windowing solution then Xorg (low memory, especially in vivaldi)- I'm not 100% sure what iOS and Android use. Might be interesting... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:07:25AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On 03/27/12 01:42, Chad Perrin wrote: I think the point of the initial email to start this thread was to see if there were people in the community with an interest in working on this project, and might actually be a fairly logical step toward an effort to find a 'guru' to work on it. Actually I think the point of the email was to prop up the member numbers on the site. The platform itself is just an ordinary aPad which can be hacked. As for the open source community interest, well it already runs linux natively- android- so not entirely sure what the fuss is about (might explain the population there). Android is not the same as a full-featured Unix-like OS. It's a miserably underpowered half-measure, whose only redeeming feature is that it's not Apple iOS or MS WP7. There's a bit of a difference, there. . . . not that I much care about tablets per se, right now, though it would be nice if I could get a ThinkPad X-series tablet-laptop working with FreeBSD. I just wouldn't equate Android with a general-purpose Unix-like OS, even if that OS uses a Linux kernel and gets most of the userland subtly wrong. If anyone was interested in porting FreeBSD to tablets there are plenty of dev kits out there to play with; and if the cost is excessive then grab an aPad off eBay for $50. I'm not sure how that disputes what I said. To explain the major hurdle in porting to a tablet, you'd need to probably find an alternative windowing solution then Xorg (low memory, especially in vivaldi)- I'm not 100% sure what iOS and Android use. Might be interesting... Yeah, there could be some real challenges there. The question is whether someone with the wherewithal to do the work would find the challenge attractive. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On 03/27/12 09:29, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:07:25AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On 03/27/12 01:42, Chad Perrin wrote: I think the point of the initial email to start this thread was to see if there were people in the community with an interest in working on this project, and might actually be a fairly logical step toward an effort to find a 'guru' to work on it. Actually I think the point of the email was to prop up the member numbers on the site. The platform itself is just an ordinary aPad which can be hacked. As for the open source community interest, well it already runs linux natively- android- so not entirely sure what the fuss is about (might explain the population there). Android is not the same as a full-featured Unix-like OS. It's a miserably underpowered half-measure, whose only redeeming feature is that it's not Apple iOS or MS WP7. There's a bit of a difference, there. . . . not that I much care about tablets per se, right now, though it would be nice if I could get a ThinkPad X-series tablet-laptop working with FreeBSD. I just wouldn't equate Android with a general-purpose Unix-like OS, even if that OS uses a Linux kernel and gets most of the userland subtly wrong. LOL. Thats my issue exactly, but its handy for a smartphone... It does make me wonder what a FBSD version of a similar appliance would be like? If anyone was interested in porting FreeBSD to tablets there are plenty of dev kits out there to play with; and if the cost is excessive then grab an aPad off eBay for $50. I'm not sure how that disputes what I said. It wasn't. More to dispute what the OP said actually :) To explain the major hurdle in porting to a tablet, you'd need to probably find an alternative windowing solution then Xorg (low memory, especially in vivaldi)- I'm not 100% sure what iOS and Android use. Might be interesting... Yeah, there could be some real challenges there. The question is whether someone with the wherewithal to do the work would find the challenge attractive. I would... time is the issue though. This is a long term goal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On 03/27/12 09:32, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Da Rock wrote: To explain the major hurdle in porting to a tablet, you'd need to probably find an alternative windowing solution then Xorg (low memory, especially in vivaldi)- I'm not 100% sure what iOS and Android use. iOS uses a descendant of the Display PostScript WindowServer from NEXTSTEP, although the locals have switched over to Core Graphics with Quartz as the 2D compositing engine [1], along with OpenGL ES for 3D. Interesting... Android would be using something else obviously FOSS. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Vivaldi Tablet
With a large portion of the open source community looking towards the Vivaldi Tablet as the push for mobile linux, I was curious if there was any plans to make an official push to put something together for this tablet. It is alot to ask from FreeBSD, but to put it bluntly, the more this tablet can offer the better it will be. Support from FreeBSD on this tablet would be a wonderful addition to the community being built around this tablet, and I hope to see FreeBSD on board in the near future. -John Kelley (Skippy) @ Opentablets.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On 03/26/12 06:49, Skippy 311 wrote: With a large portion of the open source community looking towards the Vivaldi Tablet as the push for mobile linux, The site reminds me of someone organising a large party and no one showing up :) I was curious if there was any plans to make an official push to put something together for this tablet. It is alot to ask from FreeBSD, but to put it bluntly, the more this tablet can offer the better it will be. Support from FreeBSD on this tablet would be a wonderful addition to the community being built around this tablet, and I hope to see FreeBSD on board in the near future. FreeBSD on a tablet would be an interesting idea. Not sure about this one though... Looks like one of those ones going on eBay for $50. You can always grab one of those and hack it to run FBSD. Perhaps this should go to embedded though? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On 26/03/2012 01:29, Da Rock wrote: On 03/26/12 06:49, Skippy 311 wrote: With a large portion of the open source community looking towards the Vivaldi Tablet as the push for mobile linux, The site reminds me of someone organising a large party and no one showing up :) Indeed, I felt very alone going there too. I was curious if there was any plans to make an official push to put something together for this tablet. It is alot to ask from FreeBSD, but to put it bluntly, the more this tablet can offer the better it will be. Support from FreeBSD on this tablet would be a wonderful addition to the community being built around this tablet, and I hope to see FreeBSD on board in the near future. FreeBSD on a tablet would be an interesting idea. Not sure about this one though... Looks like one of those ones going on eBay for $50. You can always grab one of those and hack it to run FBSD. The main problem (though it is actually a FreeBSD strength) is that most FreeBSD dev code to solve their own problems. I don not think I am wrong when I say that a vast majority of FreeBSD contributor are also heavy users of the functionalities they code. So the question is Are there enough FreeBSD dev that see any kind of interest in having a tablet ?. Personally I still don't, even though quite a lot of people tried to explain it to me. Also the site lacks the main thing that could get the FreeBSD community on the spot : specs. I managed to learn it was a 1ghz ARM with 512MB ram and 4GB storage, and that is about it. Arm architecture being what it is (basically whatever the constructor decided to use at that moment with no standard as to how he did it) there is absolutely no way to start any kind of port short of reverse engeniring the linux version. My personal opinion is not worth the trouble. Perhaps this should go to embedded though? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
Jerome Herman wrote: On 26/03/2012 01:29, Da Rock wrote: On 03/26/12 06:49, Skippy 311 wrote: With a large portion of the open source community looking towards the Vivaldi Tablet as the push for mobile linux, The site reminds me of someone organising a large party and no one showing up :) Indeed, I felt very alone going there too. yuppers. I was curious if there was any plans to make an official push to put something together for this tablet. Considering that FreeBS positions itself 'primrily' as a _server_ OS, I would suggest that it is 'unlikely'. *I*, for one, would hope that porting to the 'Rasberry Pi' has higher priority. Now, if somebody in the 'Vivaldi' community wants to gather up _all_ the relevant 'technical data' for configuring/accessing/programming *ALL* the included hardware, and -publish- it in one EASILY ACCESSIBLE place, that would be a good start. If such a somebody were to _also_ provide 'funding' for a porting project, that would undoubtedly move such a project to a high position on the 'to do' list'. Otherwise, Skippy, you, -YOURSELF-. will need to find a 'guru' with the appropriate knowledge/skills *and* enough interest' in the project to tackle it. Good Luck. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Vivaldi Tablet
On 03/26/12 09:39, Jerome Herman wrote: On 26/03/2012 01:29, Da Rock wrote: On 03/26/12 06:49, Skippy 311 wrote: With a large portion of the open source community looking towards the Vivaldi Tablet as the push for mobile linux, The site reminds me of someone organising a large party and no one showing up :) Indeed, I felt very alone going there too. I was curious if there was any plans to make an official push to put something together for this tablet. It is alot to ask from FreeBSD, but to put it bluntly, the more this tablet can offer the better it will be. Support from FreeBSD on this tablet would be a wonderful addition to the community being built around this tablet, and I hope to see FreeBSD on board in the near future. FreeBSD on a tablet would be an interesting idea. Not sure about this one though... Looks like one of those ones going on eBay for $50. You can always grab one of those and hack it to run FBSD. The main problem (though it is actually a FreeBSD strength) is that most FreeBSD dev code to solve their own problems. I don not think I am wrong when I say that a vast majority of FreeBSD contributor are also heavy users of the functionalities they code. So the question is Are there enough FreeBSD dev that see any kind of interest in having a tablet ?. Personally I still don't, even though quite a lot of people tried to explain it to me. Also the site lacks the main thing that could get the FreeBSD community on the spot : specs. I managed to learn it was a 1ghz ARM with 512MB ram and 4GB storage, and that is about it. Arm architecture being what it is (basically whatever the constructor decided to use at that moment with no standard as to how he did it) there is absolutely no way to start any kind of port short of reverse engeniring the linux version. My personal opinion is not worth the trouble. I'm still weighing up the options, but I would. A few barriers to surmount though... Perhaps this should go to embedded though? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
