Re: are there any notebooks with mouse-sticks?
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 05:27:12PM -1000, Al Plant wrote: Gary Kline wrote: Aloha, I dont use the keypad at all. Keys and Mouse only. The HP Mini touchpad is centered below the keyboard, but the keyboard had regular sized keys which is good. I think if you have a wireless mouse on any of them you could cover the touchpad with something like card stock or plastic so the pressure or proximity of a hand would not set it off. It is really bad that you cant turn off the feature that causes the false clicks etc. well, i'd be willing to cut the wire to the touchpad--or have somebody do it. thing is, getting the schematics might just about be impossible... . Have fun... yup; life is a bowl of yuks, right? :-) ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: are there any notebooks with mouse-sticks?
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:08:36 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: I'm looking for a small computer, 7-10 screen that has a ThinkPad-like stick to act as the mouse. This stick is called a TrackPoint, as far as I remember. It has been common in portable computers built by IB and Toshiba. Pref'ly, no touch-pad. Sadly, you will find mostly that (crap) in modern devices... The ASUS and just about every other notebook-size device has this kind of scratch-n-sniff pad; [...] Nice name. Other names: Fingerprint sensor and coffee cup warmer. :-) Any clues? Look for IBM / Lenovo, maybe they still employ this fantastic and easy to use pointing device. Allthough it would completely make sense to use a Trackpoint for netbook class computers (litte real estate consumption, minimal moving from hand in typing position to hand in pointing position), it seems that the worst solution always prevails. I haven't seen Trackpoints on modern stuff yet, and I'm quite about thinking that it doesn't exist anymore. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: are there any notebooks with mouse-sticks?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:29:25AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:08:36 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: I'm looking for a small computer, 7-10 screen that has a ThinkPad-like stick to act as the mouse. This stick is called a TrackPoint, as far as I remember. It has been common in portable computers built by IB and Toshiba. I assume that IB was meant to be IBM. Lenovo bought IBM's PC division a few years ago, and now produces ThinkPads -- which come with trackpoints. Pref'ly, no touch-pad. Sadly, you will find mostly that (crap) in modern devices... I just turn off the touchpad in my ThinkPad's BIOS/CMOS settings. That's pretty much the *first* thing I do with a new ThinkPad, before I even install a halfway decent operating system on it. I have a tendency to accidentaly move the mouse around while typing, otherwise. The ASUS and just about every other notebook-size device has this kind of scratch-n-sniff pad; [...] Nice name. Other names: Fingerprint sensor and coffee cup warmer. :-) Yeah . . . how warm the touchpad gets is a pretty good heuristic measure of how hot the laptop is running, at least on my ThinkPad. Any clues? Look for IBM / Lenovo, maybe they still employ this fantastic and easy to use pointing device. Allthough it would completely make sense to use a Trackpoint for netbook class computers (litte real estate consumption, minimal moving from hand in typing position to hand in pointing position), it seems that the worst solution always prevails. I haven't seen Trackpoints on modern stuff yet, and I'm quite about thinking that it doesn't exist anymore. Unfortunately, the OP was asking about netbook-sized computers, and last I checked the only netbooks offered by Lenovo are IdeaPads -- which are exactly like ThinkPads, except the construction is a little cheaper and the pointing device is always a touchpad. Otherwise, however, I second the motion: ThinkPads are generally held to a higher standard of quality than the rest of the laptops in the PC world, tend to be well-supported by open source operating systems, and come with trackpoints. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Philip Machanick: caution: if you write code like this, immediately after you are fired the person assigned to maintaining your code after you leave will resign pgp0wXd8Gldnv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: are there any notebooks with mouse-sticks?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:29:25AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:08:36 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: I'm looking for a small computer, 7-10 screen that has a ThinkPad-like stick to act as the mouse. This stick is called a TrackPoint, as far as I remember. It has been common in portable computers built by IB and Toshiba. i think you're right. ibm came up with some advertising name that fit. better than clit , :-), lol, . LOL. yes, i do laugh at my own jokes now and then. Pref'ly, no touch-pad. Sadly, you will find mostly that (crap) in modern devices... it's on my wife's new dell laptop. last time i tried to use it i couldn't get the hang of it. at any rate, it is in the way of where my hand would be. ---this, fwiw, is why i bought the last thinkpad, 3.0GHZ with just the trackpoint and the three horizontal bars. those work. well, for me. ... The ASUS and just about every other notebook-size device has this kind of scratch-n-sniff pad; [...] Nice name. Other names: Fingerprint sensor and coffee cup warmer. :-) :-) damn small coffee cup, eh? Any clues? Look for IBM / Lenovo, maybe they still employ this fantastic and easy to use pointing device. Allthough it would completely make sense to use a Trackpoint for netbook class computers (litte real estate consumption, minimal moving from hand in typing position to hand in pointing position), it seems that the worst solution always prevails. I haven't seen Trackpoints on modern stuff yet, and I'm quite about thinking that it doesn't exist anymore. i thought i saw the red bottom [top] of the trackpoint in the newer thinkpads. the chinese probably went with the deafault [t'pad]. but the pointer dev would take up the least realestate. and especially on the notebook-sized laptops that would seem significant. oh::: how about the $100 laptops for kids? what was it? one-laptop-per-child? did ``the market'' force them to go belly-up? i'll google around and see if they got skrewd. gary -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: are there any notebooks with mouse-sticks?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:51:29AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:29:25AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:08:36 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: I'm looking for a small computer, 7-10 screen that has a ThinkPad-like stick to act as the mouse. This stick is called a TrackPoint, as far as I remember. It has been common in portable computers built by IB and Toshiba. I assume that IB was meant to be IBM. Lenovo bought IBM's PC division a few years ago, and now produces ThinkPads -- which come with trackpoints. super! Pref'ly, no touch-pad. Sadly, you will find mostly that (crap) in modern devices... I just turn off the touchpad in my ThinkPad's BIOS/CMOS settings. That's pretty much the *first* thing I do with a new ThinkPad, before I even install a halfway decent operating system on it. I have a tendency to accidentaly move the mouse around while typing, otherwise. BIOS. That's what i couldn't remember. so you still *can* toggle the laptop pointer on/off. in my long-defunt 600E i could plug in an external mouse and off the t'point. good to know you can turn off the pad and still use the other pointing device. :-D The ASUS and just about every other notebook-size device has this kind of scratch-n-sniff pad; [...] Nice name. Other names: Fingerprint sensor and coffee cup warmer. :-) Yeah . . . how warm the touchpad gets is a pretty good heuristic measure of how hot the laptop is running, at least on my ThinkPad. Any clues? Look for IBM / Lenovo, maybe they still employ this fantastic and easy to use pointing device. Allthough it would completely make sense to use a Trackpoint for netbook class computers (litte real estate consumption, minimal moving from hand in typing position to hand in pointing position), it seems that the worst solution always prevails. I haven't seen Trackpoints on modern stuff yet, and I'm quite about thinking that it doesn't exist anymore. Unfortunately, the OP was asking about netbook-sized computers, and last I checked the only netbooks offered by Lenovo are IdeaPads -- which are exactly like ThinkPads, except the construction is a little cheaper and the pointing device is always a touchpad. hm. if i can go into the bios of this ideapad and disable the t'pad; then use a wireless mouse, that would work. my plans are to build a text-to-speech computer. kde has a bunch of tools that are very useable. vi has -- or used to have -- the ability to store abbrv that would expand as typed. you type tht; vi outputs that gary Otherwise, however, I second the motion: ThinkPads are generally held to a higher standard of quality than the rest of the laptops in the PC world, tend to be well-supported by open source operating systems, and come with trackpoints. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Philip Machanick: caution: if you write code like this, immediately after you are fired the person assigned to maintaining your code after you leave will resign -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: are there any notebooks with mouse-sticks?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 04:07:04PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:51:29AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: I just turn off the touchpad in my ThinkPad's BIOS/CMOS settings. That's pretty much the *first* thing I do with a new ThinkPad, before I even install a halfway decent operating system on it. I have a tendency to accidentaly move the mouse around while typing, otherwise. BIOS. That's what i couldn't remember. so you still *can* toggle the laptop pointer on/off. in my long-defunt 600E i could plug in an external mouse and off the t'point. good to know you can turn off the pad and still use the other pointing device. Yes, you can -- otherwise, I'd be highly irritated with laptops in general. Unfortunately, the OP was asking about netbook-sized computers, and last I checked the only netbooks offered by Lenovo are IdeaPads -- which are exactly like ThinkPads, except the construction is a little cheaper and the pointing device is always a touchpad. hm. if i can go into the bios of this ideapad and disable the t'pad; then use a wireless mouse, that would work. my plans are to build a text-to-speech computer. kde has a bunch of tools that are very useable. vi has -- or used to have -- the ability to store abbrv that would expand as typed. you type tht; vi outputs that I hope that works out for you, then. It wouldn't really work for me, since I want a trackpoint -- which is why I haven't gotten a Lenovo laptop with an NVIDIA adapter (since they tend to only put those in IdeaPads, and not ThinkPads, which are left with ATI graphics adapters instead). . . . and yes, you can still do that with vi (and Vim). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Philip Machanick: caution: if you write code like this, immediately after you are fired the person assigned to maintaining your code after you leave will resign pgpj1JOSSNeRh.pgp Description: PGP signature
are there any notebooks with mouse-sticks?
I'm looking for a small computer, 7-10 screen that has a ThinkPad-like stick to act as the mouse. Pref'ly, no touch-pad. The ASUS and just about every other notebook-size device has this kind of scratch-n-sniff pad; unfortunately, it looks as tho my palm would go there. (I *did* see a separate mouse [and other add-ons] for the EEE; that might be a work around.) Any clues? gary ps: just thought i'd ask here first... . -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: are there any notebooks with mouse-sticks?
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 02:08:36PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: I'm looking for a small computer, 7-10 screen that has a ThinkPad-like stick to act as the mouse. Pref'ly, no touch-pad. The ASUS and just about every other notebook-size device has this kind of scratch-n-sniff pad; unfortunately, it looks as tho my palm would go there. (I *did* see a separate mouse [and other add-ons] for the EEE; that might be a work around.) I sympathize with your desire for a trackpoint (instead of a touchpad), and this is one reason I keep getting ThinkPads for my laptops. Unfortunately, I don't know of any netbooks that come with trackpoints. I hope you get an answer on this list so I'll get one as well (with the obvious preference for FreeBSD, or at least *some* BSD Unix, compatibility). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Philip Machanick: caution: if you write code like this, immediately after you are fired the person assigned to maintaining your code after you leave will resign pgpc3wdufcET5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: are there any notebooks with mouse-sticks?
Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 02:08:36PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: I'm looking for a small computer, 7-10 screen that has a ThinkPad-like stick to act as the mouse. Pref'ly, no touch-pad. The ASUS and just about every other notebook-size device has this kind of scratch-n-sniff pad; unfortunately, it looks as tho my palm would go there. (I *did* see a separate mouse [and other add-ons] for the EEE; that might be a work around.) I sympathize with your desire for a trackpoint (instead of a touchpad), and this is one reason I keep getting ThinkPads for my laptops. Unfortunately, I don't know of any netbooks that come with trackpoints. I hope you get an answer on this list so I'll get one as well (with the obvious preference for FreeBSD, or at least *some* BSD Unix, compatibility). Aloha Gary, The HP Mini 1000 has a pad and it is not good. If I accidentally brush it with a finger it acts as a click same as the mouse buttons do. I think this is a terrible feature. ( No way to kill it either I checked. )I thought it was because I have large hands, but Julie has trouble too so she brought out a USB wireless logitech mouse from her stash of stuff and it works fine. Good Luck... ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: are there any notebooks with mouse-sticks?
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 02:50:01PM -1000, Al Plant wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 02:08:36PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: I'm looking for a small computer, 7-10 screen that has a ThinkPad-like stick to act as the mouse. Pref'ly, no touch-pad. The ASUS and just about every other notebook-size device has this kind of scratch-n-sniff pad; unfortunately, it looks as tho my palm would go there. (I *did* see a separate mouse [and other add-ons] for the EEE; that might be a work around.) I sympathize with your desire for a trackpoint (instead of a touchpad), and this is one reason I keep getting ThinkPads for my laptops. Unfortunately, I don't know of any netbooks that come with trackpoints. I hope you get an answer on this list so I'll get one as well (with the obvious preference for FreeBSD, or at least *some* BSD Unix, compatibility). Aloha Gary, The HP Mini 1000 has a pad and it is not good. If I accidentally brush it with a finger it acts as a click same as the mouse buttons do. I think this is a terrible feature. ( No way to kill it either I checked. )I thought it was because I have large hands, but Julie has trouble too so she brought out a USB wireless logitech mouse from her stash of stuff and it works fine. Aloha Al [and Chad also], I fat-finger any of these mico-telephone keys[!]; it's worse yet if my finger spasms or even twitches. Really, with one hand, my hand has to go smack in the middle of these small computers. Which is where the touch pads are according to the pix. Are you saying that you can use your HP with the wireless mouse and still miss the pad most of the time? I checked out the ASUS extras, including the mouse and optical drive. Anybody on-list know if the EE touchpad can be completely disabled via the hardware setup/config? gary Good Luck... ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: are there any notebooks with mouse-sticks?
Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 02:50:01PM -1000, Al Plant wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 02:08:36PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: I'm looking for a small computer, 7-10 screen that has a ThinkPad-like stick to act as the mouse. Pref'ly, no touch-pad. The ASUS and just about every other notebook-size device has this kind of scratch-n-sniff pad; unfortunately, it looks as tho my palm would go there. (I *did* see a separate mouse [and other add-ons] for the EEE; that might be a work around.) I sympathize with your desire for a trackpoint (instead of a touchpad), and this is one reason I keep getting ThinkPads for my laptops. Unfortunately, I don't know of any netbooks that come with trackpoints. I hope you get an answer on this list so I'll get one as well (with the obvious preference for FreeBSD, or at least *some* BSD Unix, compatibility). Aloha Gary, The HP Mini 1000 has a pad and it is not good. If I accidentally brush it with a finger it acts as a click same as the mouse buttons do. I think this is a terrible feature. ( No way to kill it either I checked. )I thought it was because I have large hands, but Julie has trouble too so she brought out a USB wireless logitech mouse from her stash of stuff and it works fine. Aloha Al [and Chad also], I fat-finger any of these mico-telephone keys[!]; it's worse yet if my finger spasms or even twitches. Really, with one hand, my hand has to go smack in the middle of these small computers. Which is where the touch pads are according to the pix. Are you saying that you can use your HP with the wireless mouse and still miss the pad most of the time? I checked out the ASUS extras, including the mouse and optical drive. Anybody on-list know if the EE touchpad can be completely disabled via the hardware setup/config? gary Good Luck... ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Aloha, I dont use the keypad at all. Keys and Mouse only. The HP Mini touchpad is centered below the keyboard, but the keyboard had regular sized keys which is good. I think if you have a wireless mouse on any of them you could cover the touchpad with something like card stock or plastic so the pressure or proximity of a hand would not set it off. It is really bad that you cant turn off the feature that causes the false clicks etc. Have fun... ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
