stay up to date with ports and packages, problem
Hi folks, i ran into problems keeping my ports-collection up to date. Although i did a portsnap fet and install i think there are obsolete an old ports still on the disk. I tried to compile a programm and it complained about an older version of a depending package. I deleted the whole ports-dir, did the fetch and extract again, problem persists still. Yes, i searched all the forums and read a lot about managing ports and packages. Right now i am stuck. So, how do i delete really *all* ports and *all* packages at once? Is it possible with doing a fectch and extract having the latest ports? I was recommended to use only portmaster and not to use sysinstall after a finished installation. Well, i dont know. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/stay-up-to-date-with-ports-and-packages-problem-tp570.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: stay up to date with ports and packages, problem
On 19/05/2012 15:27, Beastie-Boy wrote: i ran into problems keeping my ports-collection up to date. Although i did a portsnap fet and install i think there are obsolete an old ports still on the disk. portsnap will synchronise your ports tree with what is in the FreeBSD CVS repo. The way it works, you shouldn't get any old ports left cluttering up /usr/ports unless things have gone very wrong. In which case portsnap would be emitting all sorts of error messages and the fact that there was a problem would be obvious. I tried to compile a programm and it complained about an older version of a depending package. OK. This is a conceptual thing. The ports tree (ie. /usr/ports) is a set of *instructions* for how to build and install ports. portsnap will update all those instructions in the ports tree, but to update the actual ports you have installed requires use of a different software package. I deleted the whole ports-dir, did the fetch and extract again, problem persists still. Yep. I hope you can see from what I wrote above how doing that wouldn't solve the problem you are seeing. Yes, i searched all the forums and read a lot about managing ports and packages. Right now i am stuck. So, how do i delete really *all* ports and *all* packages at once? That's a bit drastic and pretty much something you'ld never actually want to do in normal usage. However, for completeness' sake: # pkg_delete -af will remove all installed ports. After doing that there should be hardly anything left under /usr/local -- most of what's left would be config files in /usr/local/etc. But don't do that. It is a big waste of time and completely unnecessary. Is it possible with doing a fectch and extract having the latest ports? I was recommended to use only portmaster and not to use sysinstall after a finished installation. Well, i dont know. The advice to use portmaster is good. A typical session to maintain all your ports goes something like this: # portsnap fetch update (Gets the latest contents for /usr/ports) # less /usr/ports/UPDATING (Check for any special instructions affecting any ports you have installed. Assuming nothing out of the ordinary is required (and it usually isn't), then...) # pkg_version -vIL= (see what needs updating) # portmaster -a (update everything out of date) and that's it. It's not particularly hard to do, although it can be time consuming, and very occasionally something will glitch out. If you wait a day or so and then try again the glitch will probably have been fixed. You'll find updates are more likely to run smoothly if you do them like this regularly -- monthly should be adequate -- plus immediate updates of anything portaudit reports has security problems.) Your original problem -- a port not installing because of an out of date dependency -- can be easily cured by: # portmaster category/example where category/example is the port's directory path under /usr/ports. This will update all dependencies as required before installing category/example. If you are still experiencing problems, please save a transcript of your updating session and put it on a pastebin site, and then ask again here with a link to the transcript. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: stay up to date with ports and packages, problem
On Sat, 19 May 2012, Matthew Seaman wrote: That's a bit drastic and pretty much something you'ld never actually want to do in normal usage. However, for completeness' sake: # pkg_delete -af will remove all installed ports. After doing that there should be hardly anything left under /usr/local -- most of what's left would be config files in /usr/local/etc. The -f is probably not needed. I've done this rarely enough to not recall, but -a should sort everything in the right order so dependencies are uninstalled in order. The advice to use portmaster is good. A typical session to maintain all your ports goes something like this: # portsnap fetch update (Gets the latest contents for /usr/ports) # less /usr/ports/UPDATING (Check for any special instructions affecting any ports you have installed. Assuming nothing out of the ordinary is required (and it usually isn't), then...) # pkg_version -vIL= (see what needs updating) # portmaster -a (update everything out of date) portmaster can show ports that can be updated: portmaster -L --index-only Or, more concisely: portmaster -L --index-only | egrep '(ew|ort) version|total install' There's a short overview of port upgrading procedures and reasoning at http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/portupgrade.html . ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: stay up to date with ports and packages, problem
On 19/05/2012 16:07, Warren Block wrote: The -f is probably not needed. I've done this rarely enough to not recall, but -a should sort everything in the right order so dependencies are uninstalled in order. I find that 'pkg_delete -af' gives more reliable results. Agreed, it should not be necessary but sometimes the dependency relationships between ports aren't generated quite right, and '-f' just lets pkg_delete do its thing without worrying about that -- not that dependency ordering matters at all when you're deleting everything in any case. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: stay up to date with ports and packages, problem
Ok, many thanks for your replies. I forgot to tell that i recently upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0-RELEASE. That excplains maybe why i had obsolete/old packages/ports on my disk. The problem i had was that gdm, gnome didnt start after the upgrade. So i tried to build the gnome and gdm thing again via pkg_add(didnt work) and make install clean in ports(either). Right now i deleted all ports in /usr, deleted packages in /var and portsnaped me the all stuff again. After that i pkg_add -r gnome2 again and now it looks better. Before i had problems that package-1.2.3 is needed to build an only package-1.2.2 is installed. Sorry i cant paste logs, bsd is running on another machine. so long -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/stay-up-to-date-with-ports-and-packages-problem-tp570p5710066.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: stay up to date with ports and packages, problem
On Sat, 19 May 2012 11:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Beastie-Boy wrote: Ok, many thanks for your replies. I forgot to tell that i recently upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0-RELEASE. That excplains maybe why i had obsolete/old packages/ports on my disk. When you cross a major OS release boundary, you need to force a rebuild of all installed package, or reinstall from package files. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: stay up to date with ports and packages, problem
On Sat, 19 May 2012 19:43:09 +0100, RW wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2012 11:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Beastie-Boy wrote: Ok, many thanks for your replies. I forgot to tell that i recently upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0-RELEASE. That excplains maybe why i had obsolete/old packages/ports on my disk. When you cross a major OS release boundary, you need to force a rebuild of all installed package, or reinstall from package files. It's often easy to do this using a port management tool. See man portmaster containing an example of exactly this procedure (EXAMPLES section). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: stay up to date with ports and packages, problem
On 19/05/2012 20:08, Beastie-Boy wrote: I forgot to tell that i recently upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0-RELEASE. That excplains maybe why i had obsolete/old packages/ports on my disk. Ahah! That is exactly the situation where you do want to remove all your installed ports and rebuild them. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: stay up to date with ports and packages, problem
On Sat, 19 May 2012 11:08:19 -0700 (PDT), Beastie-Boy wrote: Ok, many thanks for your replies. I forgot to tell that i recently upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0-RELEASE. That excplains maybe why i had obsolete/old packages/ports on my disk. When you do such an update (major version number), you should always reinstall (update) your applications. You can avoid it by installing the compat-Nx-i386 or compat-Nx-amd64 ports (where N is the previously used major version number). You've found many advices on how to do that already from the list. The problem i had was that gdm, gnome didnt start after the upgrade. That was to be expected. So i tried to build the gnome and gdm thing again via pkg_add(didnt work) and make install clean in ports(either). You should make sure _all_ dependencies get recompiled. Using a port management tool for this task often is more comfortable than dealing with the bare ports (but it basically is not wrong). Right now i deleted all ports in /usr, deleted packages in /var and portsnaped me the all stuff again. Depending on how you deleted, it _might_ be required to reconstruct the directory subtree /usr/local from the respective mtree file in /etc/mtree. If you _really_ intend to delete everything, make sure you have backups of config files, data files or your own modifications to something located in the local/ subtree (for example /usr/local/etc). After that i pkg_add -r gnome2 again and now it looks better. Erm... when you're installing binary packages, you don't have to deal with ports at all. Before i had problems that package-1.2.3 is needed to build an only package-1.2.2 is installed. Correct, this happens when packages have lower version numbers (not totally up to date) than the respective port would have. That's why it's often a good idea to use _either_ ports _or_ packages (even though technically there is no problem mixing them). Again, allow me to mention port management tools. Using for example portmaster, many tasks are easier to perform than dealing with bare ports. Even the use of precompiled packages (if desired) is possible. See man portmaster and its EXAMPLES section for inspiration. Sorry i cant paste logs, bsd is running on another machine. You can use SSH to log into the BSD machine and cut text from the session. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: stay up to date with ports and packages, problem
On 19/05/2012 21:09, Polytropon wrote: Sorry i cant paste logs, bsd is running on another machine. You can use SSH to log into the BSD machine and cut text from the session. :-) Or just run: % script /tmp/session.log Do all your updating tasks, then type 'exit' when done, and you'll get a transcript of everything displayed on your terminal in session.log Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: stay up to date with ports and packages, problem
On Sat, 19 May 2012, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2012 11:08:19 -0700 (PDT), Beastie-Boy wrote: Ok, many thanks for your replies. I forgot to tell that i recently upgraded from 8.1 to 9.0-RELEASE. That excplains maybe why i had obsolete/old packages/ports on my disk. When you do such an update (major version number), you should always reinstall (update) your applications. You can avoid it by installing the compat-Nx-i386 or compat-Nx-amd64 ports (where N is the previously used major version number). You've found many advices on how to do that already from the list. The problem i had was that gdm, gnome didnt start after the upgrade. That was to be expected. So i tried to build the gnome and gdm thing again via pkg_add(didnt work) and make install clean in ports(either). You should make sure _all_ dependencies get recompiled. Using a port management tool for this task often is more comfortable than dealing with the bare ports (but it basically is not wrong). There are two great tools for dealing with problems stemming from the update of a single port going bad: pkg_cleanup and pkg_tree. I prefer portmaster over portupdate because portmaster only uses the data that is there from building or adding port/packages. portmaster probably works better for me because I only update in response to a need or problem. I do not have enough time or computing power to build what is required for a workstation. I am using FreeBSD 9.0 and xfce 4.8. To get the functionality I had with KDE3.5 I ended up with 489 packages. I had hoped for a smaller number but that seems to be the norm for KDE or Gome. The only ports I built were a couple that insisted on installing an older version of perl and/or python. Everything else was via package add. In my experience this model only works near the front of a major release. As the lower level ports diverge updates must be built. Here pkg_cleanup is a great tool for taking a step back. Perhaps building regularly on a weekly basis and updating everying would work. For me after I get a functional system I only add new stuff. I do not remember having to reinstalling something because it did not work. Before someone pointed out pkg_cleanup I pretty completely broke my desktop (this in the 7.x days) just by upgrading firefox and then chasing the issues that came up. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
