Re: [Gendergap] Other (non -male or -female) Gender Knowledge for Study
Hi Max, I haven't studied these decisions, but I try to be sensitive to these issues and am happy to provide some thoughts. Would you ask editors to provide this information? If so, I would ask them to self identify - as a man, as a woman, [fill in the blank], or decline to answer. I realize that a [fill in the blank] option poses some issues, but I believe it's the most inclusive. I strongly encourage you to avoid the term 'other' as it is so very loaded. I would also recommend using man and woman in place of male and female, which refer to sex and not gender. I hope you've received helpful feedback from others and that you'll share your paper with the list. Best, Megan On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Maximilian Klein isa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm doing a project at the moment, and writing a paper, that proposes a Wikipedia Gender Index - like the United Nations Gender Inequality Index. Essentially it will show the proportion of represented (existing article in the Wiki, not editors) Genders over time (both historical time, and as Wikipedia evolves), by language edition, by occupation, and by ethnic group. I want to be sensitive to the many categories of non-male and non-female genders that exist in Wikipedia. Another balance is make the Index compatible with the other indexes so we can compare. Some of those other indexes are M/F. So the question is: it could be M/F/Other, M/F+Other (Male/Non-male), M/F/All/the/other/categories. I don't say that any of these are correct. I'm ask if you, or you know any researchers that has studied these decisions and can advise. Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Megan Wacha | Research and Instruction Librarian for the Performing Arts Barnard College | 3009 Broadway | New York, NY 10027 212.854.7652 | mwa...@barnard.edu ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Other (non -male or -female) Gender Knowledge for Study
Hi Megan, If I were asking editors to Identify I would definitely believe in giving a blank text field to enter. However that is not the purpose of this study, I am merely looking at Wikipedia *Biography Articles*. That is statistics of what is recorded in Wikidata, and then trying to compare it to other Gender Equality Indexes. Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Megan Wacha mwa...@barnard.edu wrote: Hi Max, I haven't studied these decisions, but I try to be sensitive to these issues and am happy to provide some thoughts. Would you ask editors to provide this information? If so, I would ask them to self identify - as a man, as a woman, [fill in the blank], or decline to answer. I realize that a [fill in the blank] option poses some issues, but I believe it's the most inclusive. I strongly encourage you to avoid the term 'other' as it is so very loaded. I would also recommend using man and woman in place of male and female, which refer to sex and not gender. I hope you've received helpful feedback from others and that you'll share your paper with the list. Best, Megan On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Maximilian Klein isa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm doing a project at the moment, and writing a paper, that proposes a Wikipedia Gender Index - like the United Nations Gender Inequality Index. Essentially it will show the proportion of represented (existing article in the Wiki, not editors) Genders over time (both historical time, and as Wikipedia evolves), by language edition, by occupation, and by ethnic group. I want to be sensitive to the many categories of non-male and non-female genders that exist in Wikipedia. Another balance is make the Index compatible with the other indexes so we can compare. Some of those other indexes are M/F. So the question is: it could be M/F/Other, M/F+Other (Male/Non-male), M/F/All/the/other/categories. I don't say that any of these are correct. I'm ask if you, or you know any researchers that has studied these decisions and can advise. Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Megan Wacha | Research and Instruction Librarian for the Performing Arts Barnard College | 3009 Broadway | New York, NY 10027 212.854.7652 | mwa...@barnard.edu ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Other (non -male or -female) Gender Knowledge for Study
Max, You may want to use Category tags such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Transgender_and_transsexual_people, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Women, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Men. Imperfect, but a start? Best, Amanda From: Maximilian Klein isa...@gmail.commailto:isa...@gmail.com Reply-To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects. gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 at 10:50 AM To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects. gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Other (non -male or -female) Gender Knowledge for Study Hi Megan, If I were asking editors to Identify I would definitely believe in giving a blank text field to enter. However that is not the purpose of this study, I am merely looking at Wikipedia Biography Articles. That is statistics of what is recorded in Wikidata, and then trying to compare it to other Gender Equality Indexes. Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Megan Wacha mwa...@barnard.edumailto:mwa...@barnard.edu wrote: Hi Max, I haven't studied these decisions, but I try to be sensitive to these issues and am happy to provide some thoughts. Would you ask editors to provide this information? If so, I would ask them to self identify - as a man, as a woman, [fill in the blank], or decline to answer. I realize that a [fill in the blank] option poses some issues, but I believe it's the most inclusive. I strongly encourage you to avoid the term 'other' as it is so very loaded. I would also recommend using man and woman in place of male and female, which refer to sex and not gender. I hope you've received helpful feedback from others and that you'll share your paper with the list. Best, Megan On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Maximilian Klein isa...@gmail.commailto:isa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm doing a project at the moment, and writing a paper, that proposes a Wikipedia Gender Index - like the United Nations Gender Inequality Index. Essentially it will show the proportion of represented (existing article in the Wiki, not editors) Genders over time (both historical time, and as Wikipedia evolves), by language edition, by occupation, and by ethnic group. I want to be sensitive to the many categories of non-male and non-female genders that exist in Wikipedia. Another balance is make the Index compatible with the other indexes so we can compare. Some of those other indexes are M/F. So the question is: it could be M/F/Other, M/F+Other (Male/Non-male), M/F/All/the/other/categories. I don't say that any of these are correct. I'm ask if you, or you know any researchers that has studied these decisions and can advise. Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Megan Wacha | Research and Instruction Librarian for the Performing Arts Barnard College | 3009 Broadway | New York, NY 10027 212.854.7652tel:212.854.7652 | mwa...@barnard.edumailto:mwa...@barnard.edu ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
