Re: 2.6.17 for MacOS X

[John Ralls]

OK, I did the upgrade and tested. Copying the file from /usr/lib/ does indeed 
fix the problem in 2.6.17.

Curiously 2.6.16 started right up without complaint and without needing to be 
changed.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 8:43 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> The fundamental problem is documented sort-of in this bug: 
> https://github.com/Dead2/zlib-ng/issues/80 
> 
> 
> The simplest solution until the next release is to copy /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib 
> into Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib. You might want to move the existing 
> one aside first just to be safe.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 3:56 PM, davel...@mac.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Alan Magnus  wrote:
>>> 
>>> GNUCASH 2.6.17 does not open using the latest Beta release for Mac. Mac OS 
>>> X 13 Beta 4
>> 
>> 
>> I can confirm the issue. Here is the problem:
>> 
>> Termination Reason:DYLD, [0x4] Symbol missing
>> 
>> Application Specific Information:
>> dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
>> DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH=/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Frameworks
>> DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/gnucash::/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/gnucash
>> 
>> Dyld Error Message:
>> Symbol not found: _inflateValidate
>> Referenced from: 
>> /System/Library/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib
>> Expected in: /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libz.1.dylib
>> in 
>> /System/Library/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
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Re: 2.6.17 for MacOS X

[John Ralls]

The fundamental problem is documented sort-of in this bug: 
https://github.com/Dead2/zlib-ng/issues/80 


The simplest solution until the next release is to copy /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib 
into Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib. You might want to move the existing 
one aside first just to be safe.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 3:56 PM, davel...@mac.com wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Alan Magnus  wrote:
>> 
>> GNUCASH 2.6.17 does not open using the latest Beta release for Mac. Mac OS X 
>> 13 Beta 4
> 
> 
> I can confirm the issue. Here is the problem:
> 
> Termination Reason:DYLD, [0x4] Symbol missing
> 
> Application Specific Information:
> dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
> DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH=/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Frameworks
> DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/gnucash::/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/gnucash
> 
> Dyld Error Message:
>  Symbol not found: _inflateValidate
>  Referenced from: 
> /System/Library/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib
>  Expected in: /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libz.1.dylib
> in 
> /System/Library/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib
> 
> Dave
> 
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Re: shared expenses/IOU accounting

[DaveC49]

Hi

To my knowledge Gnucash does not have the ability to generate splits between
accounts for sharing expenses automatically. When you enter a transaction it
is usually in the register for the account you are drawing from. A default
account for the other split of the transaction is generally suggested and is
selectable from a drop down list. The default for any transaction is a two
split i.e one debit entry and the corresponding credit entry. Additional
splits to other accounts are created by tabbing to the next line, selecting
an account and entering the amount which is debited or credited to that
account.

There is a new CSV importer being developed for the next release to replace
the current fairly simple csv importer which may be able to import
multi-split data. Maybe one of the developers can comment on that . If it
is, then you could generate the splits in a spreadsheet,  and then import
them.

There is also the ability to use formulas in scheduled transactions which
may be ok in dealing with recurring expenses. i have not used this feature
at all so i don't know if it will meet your needs The following FAQ has 
links to the documentation
(https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Scheduled_Transactions) and some discussions
on this which may help
(https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_use_variables_and_formula_in_scheduled_transactions.3F).

David Cousens



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Re: 2.6.17 for MacOS X

[davelist]

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Alan Magnus  wrote:
> 
> GNUCASH 2.6.17 does not open using the latest Beta release for Mac. Mac OS X 
> 13 Beta 4


I can confirm the issue. Here is the problem:

Termination Reason:DYLD, [0x4] Symbol missing

Application Specific Information:
dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH=/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Frameworks
DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/gnucash::/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib:/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/gnucash

Dyld Error Message:
  Symbol not found: _inflateValidate
  Referenced from: 
/System/Library/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib
  Expected in: /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libz.1.dylib
 in 
/System/Library/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib

Dave


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2.6.17 for MacOS X

[Alan Magnus]

GNUCASH 2.6.17 does not open using the latest Beta release for Mac. Mac OS X 13 
Beta 4
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Re: transferring program

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi Mike,

Am 25.07.2017 um 23:25 schrieb Blue Heron:
> Frank,> How do I transfer my GnuCash program and financial records recorded in
the program onto a different computer.  I fear the computer I am
currently using is Vista, not dependable or updatable, and is acting
like it is near it's end.  I downloaded the program, but how do I get my
files transferred?
> Mike
:

because it is no personal question I cc this mail to the GnuCash user
list, which would have been the rigth place.

I believe the section
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#GnuCash_Files_and_managing_a_GnuCash_installation
answers all aspects of your question. If something is missing, ask again
via the list.

Regards
Frank
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Re: Installation problem : No Help and no ToolTip

[spelya via gnucash-user]

Hello Greg,My environment is as follow:- Oracle VirtualBox Graphical User
Interface- Version 5.1.24 r117012 (Qt5.6.2) Kubuntu/Ubuntu 17.04 Gnucash
2.6.15 rev 1ef17e6+ 
Greg Feneis wrote
> Hi Serge,I think the email list search link has been down for a long time. 
> There isanother way to search, someone who knows will be along shortly.You
> may want to mention the version of GnuCash you're having trouble with,and
> the operating system of your computer.Kind regards,Greg FeneisOn Wed, Jul
> 19, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Serge Leblanc 

> leblancsp@

>  wrote:> I have been using GnuCash for over 2 months now, with no
> problem really> worth mentioning except that I get no contextual help and
> no icon's tool> tips displayed. For the problem related to Help, it seems
> similar to the> one mentioned about SuSE in the FAQ, but I don't see how
> to apply the patch> recommended. For the problem related to tool tips, I
> found no clue in FAQ.>> Could anyone help me on those matters? I know
> there is a gnucash-user> Archives I could search, but the hyperlink given
> search the gnucash-user>
> Archiveshttps://lists.gnucash.org/search/?idxinfo=gnucash-user;
> does not> work (Error 404).>





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Re: Manually Post Scheduled Transactions

[pfwoolver...@juno.com]

SOLVED! Dale,Thanks for the detailed instructions, exactly what I needed. 
David.In your original post you requested:>Let us know what that [Section 4.5] 
fails to cover.Section 4.5 lacks discussion of how to use Schedule  without  
automatically  posting transaction. Thanks  to  all  for your help  as I 
transition  from 1994 software. 
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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax Digital ?

[Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)]

On 25 July 2017 at 15:21, John Ralls  wrote:

>
>
>
> > https://hmrcdigital.blog.gov.uk/2016/07/14/talking-openly-at
> -open-source-16/
>
> That talk is about how much HMRC enjoys using software that they don’t
> have to pay for and how they’ve published some of their web code on GitHub.
> It doesn’t say anything about them accepting FOSS programs into MTD.
>
>
>
> > On Jul 25, 2017, at 1:43 AM, Mike Evans  wrote:
> > For those interested in developing.
> >
> > https://developer.service.hmrc.gov.uk/api-documentation <
> https://developer.service.hmrc.gov.uk/api-documentation>
>
>
> Which has no information on MTD. All of the APIs documented there are for
> getting information *from* HMRC, not sending them information.
>
> It *does* have information about their authentication system, which uses
> the fairly standard “server key” or OAuth key. These keys are per-program
> and completely preclude open-source software because there is no way for an
> open-source project to distribute them without compromising them.
>
> There’s another problem with “approving” an open-source program: What are
> you approving and how does an instance prove that it is the approved code,
> nothing more and nothing less?
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>


OK, a better link - a guide for software developers

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/basic-guide-for-
software-developers

Reading one of the links

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/
attachment_data/file/382943/sd-inductionpack.pdf

it appears that HMRC  provide technical support, and both online and
offline validation servers.

It would not go GnuCash any harm to be listed as supported software on a
government website of the worlds 5th or 6th largest economy. That would
give the "commercial" software companies something they would not expect.

If you wanted John, I would not mind phoning and asking whether support
would be provided to open-source software, and if there are any fees for
submitting software for validation. But as one of the lead developers, if
you feel it is not something that would or could be developed, it would be
pointless me wasting my time.

Dave
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Cash Method and write off's

[Martijn Heuts]

Hello,
Can I use the 'Cash' method for bookkeeping with GNU Cash?
I have a medical office and often insurances pay 4-6 weeks from my invoice 
date.Therefor my revenue on P shows really good, so does my profit, yet I 
didn't make this profit.
When medical insurances pay me, they only pay me like 1/4 of the invoice (6 
weeks later).What is the best way of dealing with:
* Write off's - When a medical insurance pays me a fraction of the invoice, I 
put everything else as discount so the patient ends up with a 0 balance. Is 
this the right way of doing so or is there a better way?
* Reporting - I print out my reports every month, yet in the next month I 
receive money from the medical insurance, at that time i discount the invoice 
to 0 after applying the insurance payment amount. This throws the revenue 
report off for the month the invoice was placed. Should I just reprint every 
report at the end of the year so everything matches, or is there a better way 
of dealing with this?

My last question comes from a profit stand point.According to the P report I 
made a certain amount of profit. However of this profit amount I am paying a 
business loan which is not an expense (besides the interest). When I file my 
taxes how does this business loan come into play?Say that it shows I have 10k 
profit but I paid 8k in business loan, for me personally that means i only have 
2 K net profit, yet the IRS is going to charge me taxes on the 10K?
Thanks for helping me understand.
Have a great day!!
Martijn


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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax Digital ?

[John Ralls]

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 1:40 AM, Mike Evans  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 21:39:43 -0700
> John Ralls  wrote:
> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 4:01 PM, mike.m...@gmx.net wrote:
>>> 
>>>  In about a year's time the UK taxman (HMRC) will only allow approved
>>>  accounting software to transmit the transctions required by law to
>>>  HMRC.
>>>  The project is known as Making Tax Digital or  MTD
>>>  No exact details or requirements to softwaremakers have been published,
>>>  but will gnucash commit to MTD?
>>>  If not, gnucash cannot be used anymore by any UK users.
>>> 
>>>  Link: 
>>> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/making-tax-digital/overview-of-making-tax-digital
>>>   
>> 
>> It seems unlikely the we’ll have either the resources (as in developer time) 
>> or information from HMRC to implement this. If HMRC actually requires that 
>> account software be submitted to them for evaluation and approval  it also 
>> seems unlikely that they’d approve any FOSS program. 
>> 
>> That aside the page you cite says April 2019 and only for businesses above 
>> the VAT threshold. It looks like HMRC intend that they’ll collect 
>> information on individual taxpayers by other means so that individuals will 
>> have no reporting requirements at all. Since GnuCash is aimed primarily at 
>> individuals and small businesses it seems that most of our UK users will 
>> still be able to use GnuCash.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
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> 
> Interestingly HMRC seem to be encouraging opens source
> 
> https://hmrcdigital.blog.gov.uk/2016/07/14/talking-openly-at-open-source-16/

That talk is about how much HMRC enjoys using software that they don’t have to 
pay for and how they’ve published some of their web code on GitHub. It doesn’t 
say anything about them accepting FOSS programs into MTD. 



> On Jul 25, 2017, at 1:43 AM, Mike Evans  wrote:
> For those interested in developing.
> 
> https://developer.service.hmrc.gov.uk/api-documentation 
> 


Which has no information on MTD. All of the APIs documented there are for 
getting information *from* HMRC, not sending them information.

It *does* have information about their authentication system, which uses the 
fairly standard “server key” or OAuth key. These keys are per-program and 
completely preclude open-source software because there is no way for an 
open-source project to distribute them without compromising them.

There’s another problem with “approving” an open-source program: What are you 
approving and how does an instance prove that it is the approved code, nothing 
more and nothing less?

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax Digital ?

[Maf. King]

On Tuesday, 25 July 2017 13:43:05 BST Christopher Lam wrote:
> I'd be quite keen to know processes for submitting VAT returns. I've never
> registered for VAT while I was UK resident but I'm submitting Australian
> GST statements quarterly.
> I'm enjoying learning scheme and I feel I will be able to generate a
> workable GST/VAT scheme report within weeks.
> 

Hi,

the system at the moment is to fill in an online form - usually quarterly, but 
there are some HMRC rules to allow annual returns for very small entities, but 
I don't know about them

. I generate the half-dozen or so relevant numbers from GC data using saved 
reports customised from the transaction report, and manually copy them across 
from GC to firefox.

The VAT report you propose wouldn't be far removed from the transaction 
report, I'd imagine.  I have several custom reports to generate the 
appropriate totals; could probably make a saved  mutli-column report to embed 
the transaction reports into to get everything with fewer mouse clicks. 

HTH,
Maf.

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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax Digital ?

[Colin Law]

On 25 July 2017 at 11:43, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
 wrote:
> On 25 July 2017 at 05:39, John Ralls  wrote:
> ...
> If there's no desire/developer time to support this, then its not worth
> giving it any more consideration. But IF there was a willingness to develop
> it, then I think it would be unfounded to judge that FOSS program would not
> be eligible. There are government initiatives here to encourage the use of
> open source software in government
>
> https://governmenttechnology.blog.gov.uk/2016/12/15/next-steps-for-open-source-in-government/
>
> Certainly for annual accounts submission, the UK government lists the
> protocol to send the information. Some information here for example
>
> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/government-gateway-submission-protocol-31
>
> As far as I could work out before, if the software used their protocol, it
> would work.

Possibly an approach would be an application using the python bindings
to extract data from the gnucash database and post it to the gateway.

Colin
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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax Digital ?

[Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)]

On 25 July 2017 at 05:39, John Ralls  wrote:

>
>
> > On Jul 24, 2017, at 4:01 PM, mike.m...@gmx.net wrote:
> >
> >   In about a year's time the UK taxman (HMRC) will only allow approved
> >   accounting software to transmit the transctions required by law to
> >   HMRC.
> >   The project is known as Making Tax Digital or  MTD
> >   No exact details or requirements to softwaremakers have been published,
> >   but will gnucash commit to MTD?
> >   If not, gnucash cannot be used anymore by any UK users.
> >
> >   Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/making-tax-
> digital/overview-of-making-tax-digital
>
> It seems unlikely the we’ll have either the resources (as in developer
> time) or information from HMRC to implement this. If HMRC actually requires
> that account software be submitted to them for evaluation and approval  it
> also seems unlikely that they’d approve any FOSS program.
>
> That aside the page you cite says April 2019 and only for businesses above
> the VAT threshold. It looks like HMRC intend that they’ll collect
> information on individual taxpayers by other means so that individuals will
> have no reporting requirements at all. Since GnuCash is aimed primarily at
> individuals and small businesses it seems that most of our UK users will
> still be able to use GnuCash.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
> Many small businesses, even as small as one person, will be above the VAT
threshold, which is a turnover of £85,000/year (around USD $110,000/year).

Even businesses below that threshold, may well chose to register for VAT.
If a UK company sells a lot of goods outside the European Union, then it
makes sense, as the business can recover the cost of the VAT on items
purchased, but does not need to charge VAT on non-EU sales. If one sells
mainly to individuals in the EU, it would probably not make sense to
register for VAT unless one has to.

That said, GnuCash can't submit the RTI submissions, but my accountant does
that for me, so the fact GnuCash can't do everything a UK business needs,
does not mean that it will not be able to use by UK businesses. HOWEVER,
clearly being able to do more would make it more useful.

If there's no desire/developer time to support this, then its not worth
giving it any more consideration. But IF there was a willingness to develop
it, then I think it would be unfounded to judge that FOSS program would not
be eligible. There are government initiatives here to encourage the use of
open source software in government

https://governmenttechnology.blog.gov.uk/2016/12/15/next-steps-for-open-source-in-government/

Certainly for annual accounts submission, the UK government lists the
protocol to send the information. Some information here for example

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/government-gateway-submission-protocol-31

As far as I could work out before, if the software used their protocol, it
would work.

Dave
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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax Digital ?

[Fred Bone]

On 25 July 2017 at 1:01, mike.m...@gmx.net said:

>In about a year's time the UK taxman (HMRC) will only allow approved
>accounting software to transmit the transctions required by law to
>HMRC. The project is known as Making Tax Digital or  MTD No exact
>details or requirements to softwaremakers have been published, but will
>gnucash commit to MTD? 

It is, surely, obvious that no-one can commit to making changes that are 
as yet unspecified.


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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax Digital ?

[Mike Evans]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 21:39:43 -0700
John Ralls  wrote:

> > On Jul 24, 2017, at 4:01 PM, mike.m...@gmx.net wrote:
> > 
> >   In about a year's time the UK taxman (HMRC) will only allow approved
> >   accounting software to transmit the transctions required by law to
> >   HMRC.
> >   The project is known as Making Tax Digital or  MTD
> >   No exact details or requirements to softwaremakers have been published,
> >   but will gnucash commit to MTD?
> >   If not, gnucash cannot be used anymore by any UK users.
> > 
> >   Link: 
> > https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/making-tax-digital/overview-of-making-tax-digital
> >   
> 
> It seems unlikely the we’ll have either the resources (as in developer time) 
> or information from HMRC to implement this. If HMRC actually requires that 
> account software be submitted to them for evaluation and approval  it also 
> seems unlikely that they’d approve any FOSS program. 
> 
> That aside the page you cite says April 2019 and only for businesses above 
> the VAT threshold. It looks like HMRC intend that they’ll collect information 
> on individual taxpayers by other means so that individuals will have no 
> reporting requirements at all. Since GnuCash is aimed primarily at 
> individuals and small businesses it seems that most of our UK users will 
> still be able to use GnuCash.
> 

For those interested in developing.

https://developer.service.hmrc.gov.uk/api-documentation

Mike E
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Re: For UK users: Will gnucash get ready for Making Tax Digital ?

[Mike Evans]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 21:39:43 -0700
John Ralls  wrote:

> > On Jul 24, 2017, at 4:01 PM, mike.m...@gmx.net wrote:
> > 
> >   In about a year's time the UK taxman (HMRC) will only allow approved
> >   accounting software to transmit the transctions required by law to
> >   HMRC.
> >   The project is known as Making Tax Digital or  MTD
> >   No exact details or requirements to softwaremakers have been published,
> >   but will gnucash commit to MTD?
> >   If not, gnucash cannot be used anymore by any UK users.
> > 
> >   Link: 
> > https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/making-tax-digital/overview-of-making-tax-digital
> >   
> 
> It seems unlikely the we’ll have either the resources (as in developer time) 
> or information from HMRC to implement this. If HMRC actually requires that 
> account software be submitted to them for evaluation and approval  it also 
> seems unlikely that they’d approve any FOSS program. 
> 
> That aside the page you cite says April 2019 and only for businesses above 
> the VAT threshold. It looks like HMRC intend that they’ll collect information 
> on individual taxpayers by other means so that individuals will have no 
> reporting requirements at all. Since GnuCash is aimed primarily at 
> individuals and small businesses it seems that most of our UK users will 
> still be able to use GnuCash.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
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Interestingly HMRC seem to be encouraging opens source

https://hmrcdigital.blog.gov.uk/2016/07/14/talking-openly-at-open-source-16/

And according to 
https://www.ftadviser.com/regulation/2017/01/31/hmrc-reveals-who-won-t-have-to-do-digital-tax-returns/

"HMRC has clarified that all self-employed businesses and landlords with a 
turnover of less than £10,000 a year will not have to keep their records 
digitally or make quarterly updates".  Which includes me.

Mike E

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