Re: [GNC] Gnucash crashes after upgrade
Brian GnuCash configuration locations changed between the last 2.6 version and the 3.x versions. Details are given here https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations of the locations for the current version and the 2.6 series. The files should have been copied from one location to the new location on the first run of a v3.x instance but files for saved reports were copied across but not always renamed to the name the v3.x versions expected . there is a lot of discussion re this around the release of V3.1, 3.2 etc in the archives. David Cousens - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Finance::Quote morningstar uk (and europe?) have changed stuff
On 23/08/2019 14:26, Wm via gnucash-user wrote: > heads up, folks > > morningtstar.co.uk (and possibly other European versions) have changed > some stuff that mean some F::Q requests have stopped working. > > This isn't gnc's fault. > > If you use a quote source such as > mstaruk > expect it to fail until the F::Q folks catch up. > > Would people with appropriate access let us know if the German / French > / Italian / Scandinavian / etc versions of morningstar are similarly > affected. > > I'm using Morningstar, GB as it appears in the quote source dropdown list for a couple of funds and am not seeing any issues. Prices have successfully loaded up to Friday 23/08/19. Works using mstaruk in gnc-fq-dump too. Regards, Richard ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Bookkeeping for a club's charity account - use business features?
On 8/24/2019 5:39 PM, Michael Hendry wrote: This is for the Gift Aid claim. We have to put in an annual claim to the taxman, identifying each contributor and his/her total amount donated during the year. Many UK charities use this method to boost their income - for example, when you pay the National Trust for Scotland the admission fee for one of their properties, they’ll ask you if you’re willing for them to make a Gift Aid claim and take down enough details to make that claim. You have to have enough income to be taxed at the basic rate, and the charity can claim tax back at a rate 25% of the admission fee. I have to account for the income as it is received, and I’d prefer to record sufficient detail in GC at that point, rather than run a parallel record on a spreadsheet or whatever. Regards, Michael OK, I think I understand now. And it seems straight forward to implement in gnucash, though you will an easy way to suppress the detail on most reports. When your organization has money come in for any purpose, that is a debit to cash (or some bank account) and a credit to some income account. Could be a split to multiple income accounts. Follow so far? So in your income tree, one item is "donations". Under that you have an account for each donor. A FULL "statement of revenues and expenses" << gnucash name Income Statement but I gave it the usual title a non-profit uses; a for profit says "profit and loss" >> shows the detail (total for each donor. But usually you would probably want to suppress that. You could try a dummy placeholder (say named "donors") in between donations and the individual donor accounts and try hiding that subtree when producing the report for the governing board who might want to know the total of all donations but not how much from each whom. Michael PS: So a typical transaction for an event where person A "rounds up" as a donation. debit cash X credit dinner share X - Y donor A Y ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Gnucash crashes after upgrade
On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 2:06 PM Brian M. Sutin wrote: > Ubuntu is now up to 18.10 "Cosmic Cuttlefish." Apparently Ubuntu doesn't > make much effort to get the most recent Gnucash. > You're not on the latest Ubuntu (which is currently 19.04 "Disco," and in a few weeks will be 19.10 "Eoan"). However upgrading Ubuntu will only get you up to GnuCash 3.4 unless you build it yourself or get it from somewhere else. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Ubuntu HOWEVER hold off on upgrading Ubuntu until you are sure you don't have a problem with your GnuCash data file. [By the way, Ubuntu gets its GnuCash via Debian, and the one volunteer who puts the package into Debian is behind on packaging. Fortunately it looks like he packaged GnuCash 3.6 for Debian, but it won't make it into Ubuntu until next year.] I am still thinking that way-back-when Gnucash copied my files config > stupid, and having a more recent version try again may solve the problem. > If your configuration files have gotten corrupted I don't know whether upgrading GnuCash will necessarily help. Fortunately as long as you have a good backup of your data file you can probably move the bad config files out of the way and let GnuCash re-create them. I believe the only thing that gets stored in your configuration files that you might lose permanently is your customized reports. 1) First of all make sure you have good backups of your GnuCash data. 2) Some of the older 2.6.x GnuCash packages on Ubuntu had a bug that was easily worked around by installing the package python-gnucash so that's the first thing I would suggest. I doubt that's your issue but it's easy to install and it can't hurt. 3) To help diagnose the exact crash, open a terminal in Ubuntu and type gnucash and report back here what error messages get printed on the terminal when it crashes. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Bookkeeping for a club's charity account - use business features?
> On 24 Aug 2019, at 21:58, Mike or Penny Novack > wrote: > > On 8/24/2019 11:57 AM, Michael Hendry wrote: > >> Thanks, Mike. >> >> The club itself keeps its own financial records for running expenses etc. >> Any income arising from charitable activities is passed to a trust which is >> registered as a charity with OSCR (the relevant regulatory authority in >> Scotland). Any donation to this charity from a member (or indeed from any >> member of the public) is eligible for Gift Aid. The treasurer for the last >> five years is a retired banker, and his accounts were all certified by a >> chartered account before being passed on to OSCR so I think the principles >> have been established. What I am trying to do is find the best way of using >> GC to record and report the necessary information. > OK, like I said, I've done stiff like this but don't know YOUR regs and seems > different so I want clarification. > > In addition to knowing the amounts (these extras that are designated as > charitable donations) you have to report to the government "from whom"? Here > we would not -- thus at an event, might be stated "event cost $X per person, > pay at least that much. If people pay more, the extra will be given to > charity A. The organization would report the amount, but how much from each > person who did donate extra. Like when at a meeting of an organization a > motion is raised to donate to some charity by passing around a hat. > > If it is similar where you are, what is the tracking by member for? This is for the Gift Aid claim. We have to put in an annual claim to the taxman, identifying each contributor and his/her total amount donated during the year. Many UK charities use this method to boost their income - for example, when you pay the National Trust for Scotland the admission fee for one of their properties, they’ll ask you if you’re willing for them to make a Gift Aid claim and take down enough details to make that claim. You have to have enough income to be taxed at the basic rate, and the charity can claim tax back at a rate 25% of the admission fee. I have to account for the income as it is received, and I’d prefer to record sufficient detail in GC at that point, rather than run a parallel record on a spreadsheet or whatever. Regards, Michael ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Gnucash crashes after upgrade
Ubuntu grabs the current version when they set their freeze for a release. Newer releases are not backported by the Ubuntu team. (I think there are some technical reasons for the holdup) As for the config issue, the 3.x series changed some config locations to make them more sane across platforms and newer versions. The first 3.x version you installed *should* have migrated them for you to the new locations, but that didn’t work out for everyone. To fix the problem, you can manually move the appropriate files to their new intended home(s). Check the wiki FAQ about this as well as do a list search over the last year or so since there were several threads on the topic. Regards, Adrien > On Aug 24, 2019 w34d236, at 2:02 PM, Brian M. Sutin > wrote: > > Ubuntu is now up to 18.10 "Cosmic Cuttlefish." Apparently Ubuntu doesn't make > much effort to get the most recent Gnucash. > > I am still thinking that way-back-when Gnucash copied my files config stupid, > and having a more recent version try again may solve the problem. > > -- > Brian M. Sutin > gnuca...@skewray.com ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] List subjects
When I was getting digests, they all had header info at the top of each message as part of the digest body. Not sure why you aren’t seeing them. (and I was using plain text as I seem to recall) Regards, Adrien > On Aug 24, 2019 w34d236, at 1:40 PM, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user > wrote: > > Google seems to show a repetitive chain of problems of headers being > stripped. It is nice to have the subject list at the front of the email, but > the body lacks any structure: headers, footers! Mailman says they should be > there: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node18.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] List subjects
List-* headers are those added by Mailman to the digest message itself (and individual messages when not using digest mode) that identifies the message as a mailing list message. Some e-mail clients use this to provide a ‘reply to list’ function as well as sorting abilities. Disabling them would wreck havoc for people needing those headers and wouldn’t achieve anything you’re looking for. Regards, Adrien > On Aug 24, 2019 w34d236, at 1:23 PM, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user > wrote: > > PS: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html > Q. My list members are complaining about Mailman's List-* headers! What can I > do about this? A. These headers are described in RFC 2369 and are added by > Mailman for the long-term benefit of end-users. While discouraged, the list > admin can disable these via the General Options page. See also > README.USERAGENT for more information. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Gnucash crashes after upgrade
Ubuntu 19.04 is out and that is what I have. Go to this folder on my Google drive: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1j58hHK_2lAKyNhlC4ZNoSNCfuI5Dqc7R It will have .deb files for v3.4 and v3.5 compiled on Ubuntu 18.10. I've heard they work well with 18.04 also. I have v 3.5 and v3.6 compiled under 19.04 at this location: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-7R0nd6SjgPGNLkdcL_t503KbhLnKVW0 Sorry, I've been too busy with summer projects to get the PPA up and working. --Steve On 8/24/19 12:02 PM, Brian M. Sutin wrote: > Ubuntu is now up to 18.10 "Cosmic Cuttlefish." Apparently Ubuntu doesn't make > much effort to get the most recent Gnucash. > > I am still thinking that way-back-when Gnucash copied my files config stupid, > and having a more recent version try again may solve the problem. > > -- > Brian M. Sutin > gnuca...@skewray.com > > > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019, at 11:46 AM, David Carlson wrote: >> You mentioned that Ubuntu upgraded a few times. Does that mean that you are >> no longer on release 16.04? >> That release is very stale today. >> If not 16.04, what release are you on? >> >> There is currently a flatpak release of GnuCash 3.6 available, but it has >> limitations that makes it unsuited for some users. >> >> Release 3.7 should be coming out next month, but how and when it will be >> available for whichever Linux version you are running now may be later. >> >> David Carlson >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 1:20 PM wrote: >>> A year or two ago I was running Ubuntu 16.10. When I upgraded to the next >>> Ubuntu version, Gnucash did some moving and reformatting of my config >>> files. >>> When I ran Gnucash, it would hang up inside any register and crash. I >>> 'solved' >>> the problem by running 2.6.12 in Virtualbox on Ubuntu 16.04, which is what >>> I've >>> been doing ever since. Ubuntu has upgraded a few times, and the issue >>> persists. The current version that still doesn't work is Gnucash 3.4. >>> >>> Is this a known issue? Is ther a previous thread in this list that >>> addresses >>> this? If not, how would I go about starting to debug the issue? >>> >>> Places where config files seem to be: >>> .config/gnucash >>> .gconf/apps/gnucash >>> .gnucash/books/Gnucash >>> .local/share/gnucash/books >>> I don't know which of these is from before the conversion and which are >>> new. >>> The problem might also be in a library, I guess. >>> >>> ___ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> - >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- Stephen M Butler, PMP, PSM stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com kg...@arrl.net 253-350-0166 --- GnuPG Fingerprint: 8A25 9726 D439 758D D846 E5D4 282A 5477 0385 81D8 ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Bookkeeping for a club's charity account - use business features?
On 8/24/2019 11:57 AM, Michael Hendry wrote: Thanks, Mike. The club itself keeps its own financial records for running expenses etc. Any income arising from charitable activities is passed to a trust which is registered as a charity with OSCR (the relevant regulatory authority in Scotland). Any donation to this charity from a member (or indeed from any member of the public) is eligible for Gift Aid. The treasurer for the last five years is a retired banker, and his accounts were all certified by a chartered account before being passed on to OSCR so I think the principles have been established. What I am trying to do is find the best way of using GC to record and report the necessary information. OK, like I said, I've done stiff like this but don't know YOUR regs and seems different so I want clarification. In addition to knowing the amounts (these extras that are designated as charitable donations) you have to report to the government "from whom"? Here we would not -- thus at an event, might be stated "event cost $X per person, pay at least that much. If people pay more, the extra will be given to charity A. The organization would report the amount, but how much from each person who did donate extra. Like when at a meeting of an organization a motion is raised to donate to some charity by passing around a hat. If it is similar where you are, what is the tracking by member for? Michael ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Gnucash crashes after upgrade
Simply grabbing the the current package in the Ubuntu repo might not be adequate to reconnect the configuration files. You may need to decide whether you want that package or the recently available flatpak or perhaps stay with 2.6.21, depending on you particular usage preferences. In all of those cases refer to the FAQ to find out where to look for those configuration files and how to put things back together. The exception is the flatpak, which is again different from other installs. I think that is in a state of flux as Flatpak is still a new entity and not well documented on the GnuCash website yet. Others here probably have more detailed information. David Carlson On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 2:04 PM Brian M. Sutin wrote: > Ubuntu is now up to 18.10 "Cosmic Cuttlefish." Apparently Ubuntu doesn't > make much effort to get the most recent Gnucash. > > I am still thinking that way-back-when Gnucash copied my files config > stupid, and having a more recent version try again may solve the problem. > > -- > Brian M. Sutin > gnuca...@skewray.com > > > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019, at 11:46 AM, David Carlson wrote: > > You mentioned that Ubuntu upgraded a few times. Does that mean that you > are no longer on release 16.04? > That release is very stale today. > If not 16.04, what release are you on? > > There is currently a flatpak release of GnuCash 3.6 available, but it has > limitations that makes it unsuited for some users. > > Release 3.7 should be coming out next month, but how and when it will be > available for whichever Linux version you are running now may be later. > > David Carlson > > > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 1:20 PM wrote: > > A year or two ago I was running Ubuntu 16.10. When I upgraded to the next > Ubuntu version, Gnucash did some moving and reformatting of my config > files. > When I ran Gnucash, it would hang up inside any register and crash. I > 'solved' > the problem by running 2.6.12 in Virtualbox on Ubuntu 16.04, which is what > I've > been doing ever since. Ubuntu has upgraded a few times, and the issue > persists. The current version that still doesn't work is Gnucash 3.4. > > Is this a known issue? Is ther a previous thread in this list that > addresses > this? If not, how would I go about starting to debug the issue? > > Places where config files seem to be: > .config/gnucash > .gconf/apps/gnucash > .gnucash/books/Gnucash > .local/share/gnucash/books > I don't know which of these is from before the conversion and which are > new. > The problem might also be in a library, I guess. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > -- David Carlson ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] List subjects
On 24 August 2019 at 18:40, David G. Pickett said: > Google seems to show a repetitive chain of problems of headers being > stripped. It is nice to have the subject list at the front of the email, > but the body lacks any structure: headers, footers! Mailman says they > should be > there: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node18.html The headers and footers referenced are those added by the admin, i.e. specific to the list rather than to individual messages. If you want message headers then you should request MIME-digest rather than plaintext digest. You can then sort the messages by subject (should you so wish, and assuming your mail reader allows this). ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Gnucash crashes after upgrade
You mentioned that Ubuntu upgraded a few times. Does that mean that you are no longer on release 16.04? That release is very stale today. If not 16.04, what release are you on? There is currently a flatpak release of GnuCash 3.6 available, but it has limitations that makes it unsuited for some users. Release 3.7 should be coming out next month, but how and when it will be available for whichever Linux version you are running now may be later. David Carlson On Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 1:20 PM wrote: > A year or two ago I was running Ubuntu 16.10. When I upgraded to the next > Ubuntu version, Gnucash did some moving and reformatting of my config > files. > When I ran Gnucash, it would hang up inside any register and crash. I > 'solved' > the problem by running 2.6.12 in Virtualbox on Ubuntu 16.04, which is what > I've > been doing ever since. Ubuntu has upgraded a few times, and the issue > persists. The current version that still doesn't work is Gnucash 3.4. > > Is this a known issue? Is ther a previous thread in this list that > addresses > this? If not, how would I go about starting to debug the issue? > > Places where config files seem to be: > .config/gnucash > .gconf/apps/gnucash > .gnucash/books/Gnucash > .local/share/gnucash/books > I don't know which of these is from before the conversion and which are > new. > The problem might also be in a library, I guess. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] List subjects
Google seems to show a repetitive chain of problems of headers being stripped. It is nice to have the subject list at the front of the email, but the body lacks any structure: headers, footers! Mailman says they should be there: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node18.html -Original Message- From: Derek Atkins To: David G. Pickett Cc: gnucash-user Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2019 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [GNC] List subjects David, On Sat, August 24, 2019 2:23 pm, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user wrote: > PS: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html > Q. My list members are complaining about Mailman's List-* headers! What > can I do about this? A. These headers are described in RFC 2369 and are > added by Mailman for the long-term benefit of end-users. While > discouraged, the list admin can disable these via the General Options > page. See also README.USERAGENT for more information. I did not see any complaint about the List-* headers added by mailman. Did I miss something in this thread? > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] List subjects
David, On Sat, August 24, 2019 2:23 pm, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user wrote: > PS: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html > Q. My list members are complaining about Mailman's List-* headers! What > can I do about this? A. These headers are described in RFC 2369 and are > added by Mailman for the long-term benefit of end-users. While > discouraged, the list admin can disable these via the General Options > page. See also README.USERAGENT for more information. I did not see any complaint about the List-* headers added by mailman. Did I miss something in this thread? > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] List subjects
PS: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/faq.html Q. My list members are complaining about Mailman's List-* headers! What can I do about this? A. These headers are described in RFC 2369 and are added by Mailman for the long-term benefit of end-users. While discouraged, the list admin can disable these via the General Options page. See also README.USERAGENT for more information. -Original Message- From: Derek Atkins To: David G. Pickett Cc: gnucash-user Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2019 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [GNC] List subjects On Sat, August 24, 2019 1:41 pm, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user wrote: > The digest should give subject and a divider between digested messages! > Sorted by subject would be really nice, too! We just use mailman, so any feature requests would need to be implemented by them. AFAIK there is no configuration option to do this, so they would need to add that. Thanks, > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Gnucash crashes after upgrade
A year or two ago I was running Ubuntu 16.10. When I upgraded to the next Ubuntu version, Gnucash did some moving and reformatting of my config files. When I ran Gnucash, it would hang up inside any register and crash. I 'solved' the problem by running 2.6.12 in Virtualbox on Ubuntu 16.04, which is what I've been doing ever since. Ubuntu has upgraded a few times, and the issue persists. The current version that still doesn't work is Gnucash 3.4. Is this a known issue? Is ther a previous thread in this list that addresses this? If not, how would I go about starting to debug the issue? Places where config files seem to be: .config/gnucash .gconf/apps/gnucash .gnucash/books/Gnucash .local/share/gnucash/books I don't know which of these is from before the conversion and which are new. The problem might also be in a library, I guess. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] List subjects
Does mailman needs open source contributions? Other digests seem to do this! What do they use? Reading SMTP mail is probably something a shell, JAVA or C++ app could do over a tcp/ip socket or using a spun off command like popen( 'mail . . .', "r" ) command on UNIX (I forget the options for peeling off mail messages but I have scripted it in the past), allowing much better control of the result. -Original Message- From: Derek Atkins To: David G. Pickett Cc: gnucash-user Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2019 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [GNC] List subjects On Sat, August 24, 2019 1:41 pm, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user wrote: > The digest should give subject and a divider between digested messages! > Sorted by subject would be really nice, too! We just use mailman, so any feature requests would need to be implemented by them. AFAIK there is no configuration option to do this, so they would need to add that. Thanks, > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Bookkeeping for a club's charity account - use business
Not sure what you were going for here. As you can see below, I don’t think your message came through properly. Regards, Adrien > On Aug 24, 2019 w34d236, at 12:38 PM, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user > wrote: > > features? > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="=_Part_1161816_1163186663.158338880" > > --=_Part_1161816_1163186663.158338880 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Perhaps make meal pledges a security, like a stock or currency, which you can > keep accounts on? > --=_Part_1161816_1163186663.158338880 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Perhaps make meal pledges a security, like a stock or currency, which you can > keep accounts on? > --=_Part_1161816_1163186663.158338880-- ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] List subjects
I’m pretty sure it does give the subject in the header that is included with each message. I should think a horizontal rule wouldn’t be all that difficult for mailman to add if you put in the request. Messages get added to the digest as they are received by the mailing list server and then sent out either on a schedule or when they reach a certain size, (trimming replies helps considerably) so sorting would be a pain if it even occurs. If you want sorted messages, stop using digests and use a mail client with ‘Conversation’ or ‘Gmail’ like views. For things you aren’t interested in, just delete them or use filters built into the email client. (or turn off receiving all together, but stay a list member - then use the archives to browse messages by thread and participate when and if you like from there.) Regards, Adrien > On Aug 24, 2019 w34d236, at 12:41 PM, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user > wrote: > > The digest should give subject and a divider between digested messages! > Sorted by subject would be really nice, too! ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] List subjects
On Sat, August 24, 2019 1:41 pm, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user wrote: > The digest should give subject and a divider between digested messages! > Sorted by subject would be really nice, too! We just use mailman, so any feature requests would need to be implemented by them. AFAIK there is no configuration option to do this, so they would need to add that. Thanks, > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] List subjects
The digest should give subject and a divider between digested messages! Sorted by subject would be really nice, too! ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Bookkeeping for a club's charity account - use business
features? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_Part_1161816_1163186663.158338880" --=_Part_1161816_1163186663.158338880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps make meal pledges a security, like a stock or currency, which you can keep accounts on? --=_Part_1161816_1163186663.158338880 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps make meal pledges a security, like a stock or currency, which you can keep accounts on? --=_Part_1161816_1163186663.158338880-- ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] [SPAM] Re: Decimal points messed up
> On Aug 23, 2019, at 9:59 PM, Axel Essbaum wrote: > >> >> On 23 Aug 2019, at 23:10, John Ralls wrote: >>> On Aug 23, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Axel Essbaum wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Longtime Mac GC user, still running my original 2.4.11 install from… 10 >>> years ago? I am now looking at upgrading to 3.6 and am encountering a >>> problem with the "grouping" character and decimal points being transposed. >>> I am using GC with CHF (I am in Switzerland), but my computer is set up in >>> English. >>> >>> In System Prefs > Langauge and Region I have Region = Switzerland. On that >>> pane in Advanced I have Number Separator Grouping = ' and decimal = . >>> Currency is CHF and Currency Grouping = ' and decimal = . >>> >>> In GC Prefs I have Locale = CHF (Swiss Franc). >>> >>> But two thousand CHF, which I would expect to see as CHF 2'000.00 is >>> actually displayed SFr. 2.000,00. >>> >>> I can live with SFr. but I can't have a decimal point used for grouping. >>> >>> Anyone have any ideas what I can adjust to fix this? >> >> The problem is that while Apple's native localization (based on a library >> called ICU) has the correct numeric and monetary formats for Switzerland, >> their C runtime library localization files that GnuCash uses have the wrong >> values for thousands separator and decimal point. >> >> MacOS won't let you edit the file even with admin privileges (i.e. sudo) and >> AFAIK no other country uses an apostrophe for the thousands separator so I >> don't think that there's any way to get the apostrophe thousands separator >> short of switching to Linux. >> >> Since you're using GnuCash in English anyway you could just tell defaults >> defaults write -a Gnucash AppleLocale en_GB.UTF-8 >> and it will use comma for the thousands separator and dot for the decimal >> point. You'll want to change the default currency in Preferences on the >> Accounts and Reports tabs to CHF instead of locale. > > Hi John, > > Thanks for the helpful response. I am happy with a comma separator. But I > get: > > $ defaults write -a Gnucash AppleLocale en_GB.UTF-8 > 2019-08-24 06:54:51.749 defaults[13856:1130038] Unexpected argument > en_GB.UTF-8; leaving defaults unchanged. > > This is Mojave, btw. > > Any idea what I need to do different? > > Thanks! Sorry, the option is -app and you need to single-quote the locale: defaults write -app Gnucash AppleLocale 'en_GB.UTF-8' Sometimes the defaults system is persnickety and denies knowing about Gnucash: "Can't determine domain name for application Gnucash; defaults unchanged" in which case you can tell it the full path defaults write -app /Applications/Gnucash.app AppleLocale 'en_GB.UTF-8' Regards, John Ralls ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Bookkeeping for a club's charity account - use business features?
> On 24 Aug 2019, at 15:41, Mike or Penny Novack > wrote: > > On 8/23/2019 10:59 AM, Wm via gnucash-user wrote: >> >>> For example, the price of the meals at meetings is rounded up to the >>> nearest pound, and the remainder is earmarked for “Charity Choice”. Not all >>> members attend every meeting, and some members skip the meal and make a >>> token payment to Charity Choice. There are several such income headings to >>> deal with. >> >> Sounds like crap to me. >> >> Think about this: I went to dinner with my mates, said it cost more than it >> did and said the difference was for charity. Would you believe me? >> >>> The difficulty is that it must be possible to document each individual >>> member’s contributions over the year in order to make a Gift Aid claim to >>> Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC), which tops up the members’ >>> contributions by 25%. >> >> OK, it sounds to me like you're being asked to cheat HMRC. Are you prepared >> to do that? > > You know all that much, both about the charitable components (tax deductible, > need to be reported separately) of organizations that while non-profit (tax > exempt) are not "deductible" << for example, a "fraternal" society -- what > this is >> and specifically what is required in the UK? > > What was asked for here seemed perfectly above board to me. Besides being > treasurer of 501(c)3's I also belong to organizations that are not deductible > BUT do sometimes make charitable donations. In some cases, that is a lot of > what these organizations do beyond their social functions << Lions, Shriners, > etc. >> I do not know how they report even here in the US let alone in the > UK. Thanks, Mike. The club itself keeps its own financial records for running expenses etc. Any income arising from charitable activities is passed to a trust which is registered as a charity with OSCR (the relevant regulatory authority in Scotland). Any donation to this charity from a member (or indeed from any member of the public) is eligible for Gift Aid. The treasurer for the last five years is a retired banker, and his accounts were all certified by a chartered account before being passed on to OSCR so I think the principles have been established. What I am trying to do is find the best way of using GC to record and report the necessary information. My predecessor has passed on unpopulated spreadsheets for this club year, and I plan to run both methods until I can decide which is better. Regards, Michael ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Bookkeeping for a club's charity account - use business features?
On 8/23/2019 10:59 AM, Wm via gnucash-user wrote: For example, the price of the meals at meetings is rounded up to the nearest pound, and the remainder is earmarked for “Charity Choice”. Not all members attend every meeting, and some members skip the meal and make a token payment to Charity Choice. There are several such income headings to deal with. Sounds like crap to me. Think about this: I went to dinner with my mates, said it cost more than it did and said the difference was for charity. Would you believe me? The difficulty is that it must be possible to document each individual member’s contributions over the year in order to make a Gift Aid claim to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC), which tops up the members’ contributions by 25%. OK, it sounds to me like you're being asked to cheat HMRC. Are you prepared to do that? You know all that much, both about the charitable components (tax deductible, need to be reported separately) of organizations that while non-profit (tax exempt) are not "deductible" << for example, a "fraternal" society -- what this is >> and specifically what is required in the UK? What was asked for here seemed perfectly above board to me. Besides being treasurer of 501(c)3's I also belong to organizations that are not deductible BUT do sometimes make charitable donations. In some cases, that is a lot of what these organizations do beyond their social functions << Lions, Shriners, etc. >> I do not know how they report even here in the US let alone in the UK. Michael D Novack ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Finance::Quote morningstar uk (and europe?) have changed stuff
heads up, folks morningtstar.co.uk (and possibly other European versions) have changed some stuff that mean some F::Q requests have stopped working. This isn't gnc's fault. If you use a quote source such as mstaruk expect it to fail until the F::Q folks catch up. Would people with appropriate access let us know if the German / French / Italian / Scandinavian / etc versions of morningstar are similarly affected. -- Wm ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Bookkeeping for a club's charity account - use business features?
On 23/08/2019 09:24, Michael Hendry wrote: First, Adrien makes some very valid points which I think you should consider. As previously mentioned on the list, I’ve just become Treasurer of our local Rotary Club, which has two sets of books, one relating to the business of running the club (annual subs, insurance, secretarial support, etc) and the other to the club’s charitable activities. The club part is straightforward, and has no need for the business features. The charity accounts are different in that although the bulk of the income comes from the general public, some of it is extracted from members with particular charitable destinations in mind. Charitable organisations have some quite specific accounting requirements in the UK and most countries. Don't let the other people fool you about where the money is going to and from. For example, the price of the meals at meetings is rounded up to the nearest pound, and the remainder is earmarked for “Charity Choice”. Not all members attend every meeting, and some members skip the meal and make a token payment to Charity Choice. There are several such income headings to deal with. Sounds like crap to me. Think about this: I went to dinner with my mates, said it cost more than it did and said the difference was for charity. Would you believe me? The difficulty is that it must be possible to document each individual member’s contributions over the year in order to make a Gift Aid claim to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC), which tops up the members’ contributions by 25%. OK, it sounds to me like you're being asked to cheat HMRC. Are you prepared to do that? I have set up a series of accounts of the form: Income:Destination1:member1 … Income:Destination1:memberN … Income:DestinationX:member1 … Income:DestinationX:memberN don't do it like that, think of income as a source not a person, "where are we getting our income from?", "who are we paying our expenses too?", "are we washing money?" which allows me to report on the total income for each destination easily, but makes it harder to pick out individual members’ contributions. Changing the hierarchy to Income:memberN:DestinationnX would make it easy to pick out the Gift Aid detail per member, but harder to report on the total raised for each destination. gnc is unusually flexible in that you can change the hierarchy on the fly and report on that (you should also look at the buglist if you find altering, editing or creating accounts turns out to be a problem). It occurs to me that it might be easier to treat members as customers, who would “purchase” Gift-Aid-Claimable (as well as non-claimable) items. In the case of “Foundation Dinners”, members commit in advance to pay for a meal at another member’s home - this commitment would be equivalent to an order payable on delivery of the goods. I wouldn’t anticipate issuing invoices, but a monthly list of defaulters would allow me to issue gentle reminders. This is a classic charitable issue. Our american friends have their answers but they only work in some states and not others. I think you'll find your Rotary Club might have been breaking the charitable reporting rules for a while. It might well be easier to deal with some of these reporting tasks using spreadsheets, but I’d much prefer to have a single point of entry for each transaction. The problem isn't a gnc one, start here https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/charity-commission depending on how much money you are processing you may or may not need to report some stuff. It’s been the usual practice for Treasurers to serve for five years, so slow-but-sure is preferable to fast-and-dirty. I’d appreciate the advice of the list - especially from anyone with practical experience of my situation. This isn't about gnc, this is about understanding the rules about charities. Having a dinner with friends and declaring it a charitable contribution is a bit last century. Hitting a women is also regarded as wrong. Voting a stupid man president or a buffoon prime minister is, however, allowed in some countries. HTH Wm ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
