Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Patrick Byrne]

I'm against it too. We use [] tags at work to indicate the relevant project
for an email thread, but with this mailing list gmail can use the
'gnucash-user' email to tag all mails from this thread. I would assume that
many other email clients also offer such facilities.

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On 10 April 2018 at 11:34, Mark Lawrence  wrote:

> On 09/04/18 13:41, Stephen Albert wrote:
>
>> I'd also prefer [GC] over [GNC].
>>
>>
> I prefer nothing.  The [GNC] looks quite dreadful as it is completely
> unneeded. I'm on gmane.comp.gnome.apps.gnucash.user, why do I need some
> stupid piece of data confirming something that I all ready know?
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Mark Lawrence]

On 09/04/18 13:41, Stephen Albert wrote:

I'd also prefer [GC] over [GNC].



I prefer nothing.  The [GNC] looks quite dreadful as it is completely 
unneeded. I'm on gmane.comp.gnome.apps.gnucash.user, why do I need some 
stupid piece of data confirming something that I all ready know?


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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Alain,

You said you use Mutt. You are one of the few (2 so far?) requesting and 
defending this change.

Did you read the Mutt manual? Specifically: 
http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#using-lists (and also: 
http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#lists)

"Mutt has a few configuration options that make dealing with large amounts of 
mail easier. The first thing you must do is to let Mutt know what addresses you 
consider to be mailing lists (technically this does not have to be a mailing 
list, but that is what it is most often used for), and what lists you are 
subscribed to. This is accomplished through the use of the lists and subscribe 
commands in your .muttrc.

Now that Mutt knows what your mailing lists are, it can do several things, the 
first of which is the ability to show the name of a list through which you 
received a message (i.e., of a subscribed list) in the index menu display. This 
is useful to distinguish between personal and list mail in the same mailbox. In 
the $index_format variable, the expando “%L” will print the string “To ” 
when “list” appears in the “To” field, and “Cc ” when it appears in the 
“Cc” field (otherwise it prints the name of the author).”

You can do this all on your own, without the rest of us having to see [GNC] or 
anything else pre-pended or appended to the subject line. Just configure your 
client properly.


Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Alain Williams  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 01:48:13PM +, Buddha Buck wrote:
> 
>> I concur. Gmail does server-side filtering and labelling, not client-side.
> 
> Please be aware that not everyone uses gmail.
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

I didn’t even have to tell Gmail anything. (at least for the webmail client) It 
automatically put all list mail in the ‘Forum’ tab for me.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Colin Law  wrote:
> 
> On 10 April 2018 at 12:51, Adonay Felipe Nogueira  
> wrote:
>> 2018-04-10T09:51:58+0200 Saša Janiška wrote:
>>> E.g. gnucash-users list uses Mailman which does provide e.g. List-Id
>>> header for simple filtering...
>> 
>> Probably some weak webmail client full of non-free software through
>> client-side JavaScript, such as Gmail and Outlook's webmail. They do
>> have filters, but not generally good, and are somewhat enticing in a way
>> that the end-user never questions the features or misbehaviors provided,
>> such that they just use it as it is.
> 
> I have no problems filtering mailing lists with gmail. I just opened
> one of the posts, told gmail to 'filter messages like this' told it
> which folder to put them in and it works, as far as I can see,
> flawlessly.  Gnucash mails are automatically moved to the folder on
> receipt.
> 
> I also think this idea is just adding clutter.
> 
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Geert Janssens]

I dislike it as well and would prefer not to have it.

For your information it gets even worse for cross-posted messages. Such 
messages get all of the individual prefixes of each list added. I can't think 
what will happen when one replies to such a message...

Geert

Op dinsdag 10 april 2018 16:46:26 CEST schreef Buddha Buck:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:34 AM Alain Williams  wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 01:48:13PM +, Buddha Buck wrote:
> > > I concur. Gmail does server-side filtering and labelling, not
> > 
> > client-side.
> > 
> > Please be aware that not everyone uses gmail.
> 
> The topic of conversation was about which email clients didn't allow
> filtering, and the example of gmail was brought up as a webclient-based
> email client which doesn't allow filtering. I was concurring with Colin's
> observation that gmail does provide filtering tools.
> 
> I presume I just haven't gotten my copy of your admonition to Colin that
> not everyone uses gmail? Or is there some particular reason why you have
> picked me out in particular in this long thread?
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Buddha Buck]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:34 AM Alain Williams  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 01:48:13PM +, Buddha Buck wrote:
>
> > I concur. Gmail does server-side filtering and labelling, not
> client-side.
>
> Please be aware that not everyone uses gmail.
>

The topic of conversation was about which email clients didn't allow
filtering, and the example of gmail was brought up as a webclient-based
email client which doesn't allow filtering. I was concurring with Colin's
observation that gmail does provide filtering tools.

I presume I just haven't gotten my copy of your admonition to Colin that
not everyone uses gmail? Or is there some particular reason why you have
picked me out in particular in this long thread?
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Alain Williams]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 01:48:13PM +, Buddha Buck wrote:

> I concur. Gmail does server-side filtering and labelling, not client-side.

Please be aware that not everyone uses gmail.

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Buddha Buck]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:37 AM Colin Law <clan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10 April 2018 at 12:51, Adonay Felipe Nogueira <adf...@hyperbola.info>
> wrote:
> > 2018-04-10T09:51:58+0200 Saša Janiška wrote:
> >> E.g. gnucash-users list uses Mailman which does provide e.g. List-Id
> >> header for simple filtering...
> >
> > Probably some weak webmail client full of non-free software through
> > client-side JavaScript, such as Gmail and Outlook's webmail. They do
> > have filters, but not generally good, and are somewhat enticing in a way
> > that the end-user never questions the features or misbehaviors provided,
> > such that they just use it as it is.
>
> I have no problems filtering mailing lists with gmail. I just opened
> one of the posts, told gmail to 'filter messages like this' told it
> which folder to put them in and it works, as far as I can see,
> flawlessly.  Gnucash mails are automatically moved to the folder on
> receipt.
>

I concur. Gmail does server-side filtering and labelling, not client-side.

When I go into my gmail settings, I can see a list of filters, one of which
is "Matches: list:(gnucash-user@gnucash.org)/Do this: apply label
'gnucash/gnucash-user" and all my gnucash-user email is labelled as a
gnucash-user email.

Google Inbox is a different front-end for the same mail back-end, and it
uses (again, serverside) a Bayesian categorizer to place emails in
user-definable "bundles", such as "gnucash". It does this behind the scenes
by adding a gmail label to the mail.

Which means that when I look at this email in gmail, I'll see it
listed as "gnucash
gnucash/gnucash-user [GNC] Re: GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject
Prefix", which is getting a bit ridiculous.


> I also think this idea is just adding clutter.
>
> Colin
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Colin Law]

On 10 April 2018 at 12:51, Adonay Felipe Nogueira  wrote:
> 2018-04-10T09:51:58+0200 Saša Janiška wrote:
>> E.g. gnucash-users list uses Mailman which does provide e.g. List-Id
>> header for simple filtering...
>
> Probably some weak webmail client full of non-free software through
> client-side JavaScript, such as Gmail and Outlook's webmail. They do
> have filters, but not generally good, and are somewhat enticing in a way
> that the end-user never questions the features or misbehaviors provided,
> such that they just use it as it is.

I have no problems filtering mailing lists with gmail. I just opened
one of the posts, told gmail to 'filter messages like this' told it
which folder to put them in and it works, as far as I can see,
flawlessly.  Gnucash mails are automatically moved to the folder on
receipt.

I also think this idea is just adding clutter.

Colin
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

2018-04-10T09:51:58+0200 Saša Janiška wrote:
> E.g. gnucash-users list uses Mailman which does provide e.g. List-Id
> header for simple filtering...

Probably some weak webmail client full of non-free software through
client-side JavaScript, such as Gmail and Outlook's webmail. They do
have filters, but not generally good, and are somewhat enticing in a way
that the end-user never questions the features or misbehaviors provided,
such that they just use it as it is.

A rule of thumb for those reading through webmail or starting to
configure email clients: For emailing (not just mailing lists), use an
email client with POP3 for receiving and SMTP for sending --- make sure
to configure both with TLS and secure authentication ---, after this, go
to the *webmail* and order it to *not* send email to "Spam" or "Junk"
directories --- contact the webmail provider for details on how to do
this ---, instead send those emails to "INBOX" and have the suspicious
emails' subject appended with something like "*SPAM*", or do no subject
change and instead make the *email client* itself split by an antispam
header. Appending "*SPAM*" to the subject avoids having the annoying
situation in which someone sends you an important message but it's
forgotten in the junk/spam directory. I have sent a job application
November last year, but only got the read receipt (disposition
notification) last week, and the recipient had a Gmail/Hotmail email
address.
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Saša Janiška]

Mark Lawrence  writes:

> I see it as a fourth rate solution to a problem that simply does not
> exist.  As I've said previously just point your email/news reader app
> at news.gmane.org and get all of the filtering done for free.

+1 for Gmane, but I also wonder what mail clients do people use that
do not provide simple filtering features?

E.g. gnucash-users list uses Mailman which does provide e.g. List-Id
header for simple filtering...


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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Alain Williams]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 03:46:54PM +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:

> I see it as a fourth rate solution to a problem that simply does not
> exist.  As I've said previously just point your email/news reader
> app at news.gmane.org and get all of the filtering done for free.
> Setting this up takes at least a minute, plus seconds for each of
> any of the thousands of mailing lists that you want to subscribe to.
> What more could anybody want, blood on it?

You have a very narrow view on how people read email.

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Stephen Albert]

I'd also prefer [GC] over [GNC].

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Andy Pastuszak  wrote:

> GNC happens to be the name of a vitamin store in the US that does a pretty
> good job of spamming my inbox.  I don't know if using GNC is the best
> option.  Why not just use GnuCash?
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 4/8/2018 8:39 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>
>> Drop the @ in the first rule and you can cut the second rule out. But
>> really, what you have here isn’t difficult.
>>
>> You’d only need the 3rd one if JohnR sends you frequent PMs. When anyone
>> does that for me, I just drag and drop on those off occasions after I’ve
>> read it. (a PM is usually something I’d want to pay attention to anyway and
>> not have it get lost in the list folder)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Jean-David Beyer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 04/08/2018 03:29 PM, Fross, Michael wrote:
>>>
 Add me to the dislike list.  A simple filtering of the "FROM" field
 works
 easily.  I don't see what all the concern is about.


>>> I guess it depends on what you mean by simple.
>>> So far I need these three to catch everything I want in my GnuCash-ML
>>> mailbox:
>>>
>>> To or Cc contains @gnucash.org
>>> To or Cc contains @lists.gnucash.org
>>>  From contains jra...@ceridwen.us
>>>
>>> For some other mailing lists, more complex things are required.
>>>
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Mark Lawrence]

On 09/04/18 15:18, Alain Williams wrote:

On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 07:14:11PM +0500, D via gnucash-user wrote:

I reiterate my objections to these changes, and note that as the prefixes get 
longer, it gets harder and harder for readers using small screens (think smart 
phones or tablets) to see the actual subject of a given email.


I think that it is a considerable improvement.

I can now easily see from the Subject: line what the email relates to; which
means that I can ignore it until I am in ''gnucash mode'' - much more efficient!



I see it as a fourth rate solution to a problem that simply does not 
exist.  As I've said previously just point your email/news reader app at 
news.gmane.org and get all of the filtering done for free.  Setting this 
up takes at least a minute, plus seconds for each of any of the 
thousands of mailing lists that you want to subscribe to.  What more 
could anybody want, blood on it?


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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Charles Sliger]

I like it.
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On Sun, 2018-04-08 at 08:58 +1000, Liz wrote:
> James Triplett wrote:
> > 
> > On (06/04/18 11:08), Steve Parry wrote:
> > > 
> > > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 11:08:57 +1000
> > > From: Steve Parry 
> > > To: 'Gnucash Users' 
> > > Subject: Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix
> > > Reply-To: spa...@vidar.com.au
> > > 
> > > Hi everyone (especially Admins).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Just wondering if you can add an automatic Subject Prefix in
> > > MailMan to
> all emails from this list (eg [GNC]) so that list emails have a
> subject
> like "[GNC] This is a sample Subject". This will enable faster
> > 
> > > 
> > > identification of the mailing list emails (of which there are
> > > many)
> when eye scanning and the option to have a mail client rule to filter
> them into a separate folder.
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > I think it's a great idea.  My email client makes this Subject
> > Prefix
> stand out very nicely.
> > 
> > Yes, of course, I could design a filtering algorithm that could re-
> > sort
> my mail, blah, blah, blah.
> > 
> > But the eye does it very nicely (in my INBOX of about a thousand
> > items,
> receiving about 100 per day).
> > 
> > 
> > cheers,
> > James
> > (email sysadmin but newbie GC user)
> I've put in GNC for this list, and GNC-dev for the development list.
> While
> others have mentioned filtering on the "To" field, it's also been
> necessary to filter on the "CC" field.
> Liz
> 
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Alain Williams]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 10:59:20AM -0400, Stan Brown wrote:
> Or why not use nothing, since people who want to filter have the ability to 
> do that with or without a prefix?  

Because some of us don't mechanically filter, but use the Subject line to
visually filter. This I do effectively, my MUA (mutt) has a threaded mode which
groups everything in a conversation.

The cost for those who mechanically filter is some 5 extra characters in the 
Subject:

The benefit for those who do NOT mechanically filter is to be able to easily 
spot
GNC related email.

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Stan Brown]

Or why not use nothing, since people who want to filter have the ability to do 
that with or without a prefix?  

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On Mon, Apr 9, 2018, at 8:06 AM, Andy Pastuszak wrote:
> GNC happens to be the name of a vitamin store in the US that does a 
> pretty good job of spamming my inbox.  I don't know if using GNC is the 
> best option.  Why not just use GnuCash?
> 
> Andy
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Alain Williams]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2018 at 07:14:11PM +0500, D via gnucash-user wrote:
> I reiterate my objections to these changes, and note that as the prefixes get 
> longer, it gets harder and harder for readers using small screens (think 
> smart phones or tablets) to see the actual subject of a given email.

I think that it is a considerable improvement.

I can now easily see from the Subject: line what the email relates to; which
means that I can ignore it until I am in ''gnucash mode'' - much more efficient!

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[D via gnucash-user]

I reiterate my objections to these changes, and note that as the prefixes get 
longer, it gets harder and harder for readers using small screens (think smart 
phones or tablets) to see the actual subject of a given email.

Bleah!

David T.

On April 9, 2018, at 5:07 PM, Andy Pastuszak  wrote:

GNC happens to be the name of a vitamin store in the US that does a 
pretty good job of spamming my inbox.  I don't know if using GNC is the 
best option.  Why not just use GnuCash?

Andy


On 4/8/2018 8:39 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Drop the @ in the first rule and you can cut the second rule out. But really, 
> what you have here isn’t difficult.
> 
> You’d only need the 3rd one if JohnR sends you frequent PMs. When anyone does 
> that for me, I just drag and drop on those off occasions after I’ve read it. 
> (a PM is usually something I’d want to pay attention to anyway and not have 
> it get lost in the list folder)
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Jean-David Beyer  wrote:
>>
>> On 04/08/2018 03:29 PM, Fross, Michael wrote:
>>> Add me to the dislike list.  A simple filtering of the "FROM" field works
>>> easily.  I don't see what all the concern is about.
>>>
>>
>> I guess it depends on what you mean by simple.
>> So far I need these three to catch everything I want in my GnuCash-ML
>> mailbox:
>>
>> To or Cc contains @gnucash.org
>> To or Cc contains @lists.gnucash.org
>>  From contains jra...@ceridwen.us
>>
>> For some other mailing lists, more complex things are required.
>>
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Andy Pastuszak]

GNC happens to be the name of a vitamin store in the US that does a 
pretty good job of spamming my inbox.  I don't know if using GNC is the 
best option.  Why not just use GnuCash?


Andy


On 4/8/2018 8:39 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

Drop the @ in the first rule and you can cut the second rule out. But really, 
what you have here isn’t difficult.

You’d only need the 3rd one if JohnR sends you frequent PMs. When anyone does 
that for me, I just drag and drop on those off occasions after I’ve read it. (a 
PM is usually something I’d want to pay attention to anyway and not have it get 
lost in the list folder)

Regards,
Adrien


On Apr 8, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Jean-David Beyer  wrote:

On 04/08/2018 03:29 PM, Fross, Michael wrote:

Add me to the dislike list.  A simple filtering of the "FROM" field works
easily.  I don't see what all the concern is about.



I guess it depends on what you mean by simple.
So far I need these three to catch everything I want in my GnuCash-ML
mailbox:

To or Cc contains @gnucash.org
To or Cc contains @lists.gnucash.org
 From contains jra...@ceridwen.us

For some other mailing lists, more complex things are required.

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Drop the @ in the first rule and you can cut the second rule out. But really, 
what you have here isn’t difficult.

You’d only need the 3rd one if JohnR sends you frequent PMs. When anyone does 
that for me, I just drag and drop on those off occasions after I’ve read it. (a 
PM is usually something I’d want to pay attention to anyway and not have it get 
lost in the list folder)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Jean-David Beyer  wrote:
> 
> On 04/08/2018 03:29 PM, Fross, Michael wrote:
>> Add me to the dislike list.  A simple filtering of the "FROM" field works
>> easily.  I don't see what all the concern is about.
>> 
> 
> I guess it depends on what you mean by simple.
> So far I need these three to catch everything I want in my GnuCash-ML
> mailbox:
> 
> To or Cc contains @gnucash.org
> To or Cc contains @lists.gnucash.org
> From contains jra...@ceridwen.us
> 
> For some other mailing lists, more complex things are required.
> 
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Interesting.

But this wasn’t that difficult even many moons ago to set up:


Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Chris Marusich  wrote:
> 
> http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Adrien Monteleone]

Another +1 for reverting it.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Stan Brown  wrote:
> 
> +1++
> 
> :-)
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
> On 2018-04-08 13:21, Saša Janiška wrote:
>> John Ralls  writes:
>> 
>>> Add me to the list of folks who dislike this change.
>> 
>> +1
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Dave H]

So not so difficult for you :-)

Cheers Dave H.

On 9 April 2018 at 08:11, Jean-David Beyer  wrote:

> On 04/08/2018 03:29 PM, Fross, Michael wrote:
> > Add me to the dislike list.  A simple filtering of the "FROM" field works
> > easily.  I don't see what all the concern is about.
> >
>
> I guess it depends on what you mean by simple.
> So far I need these three to catch everything I want in my GnuCash-ML
> mailbox:
>
> To or Cc contains @gnucash.org
> To or Cc contains @lists.gnucash.org
> From contains jra...@ceridwen.us
>
> For some other mailing lists, more complex things are required.
>
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, Fross, Michael wrote:


Add me to the dislike list. A simple filtering of the "FROM" field works
easily. I don't see what all the concern is about.


  Well, I'll throw in my $0.02 worth.

  I run Slackware linux and my own MTA (postfix) using procmail as the local
delivery agent (MDA). I can filter incoming messages using anything I want.
With this recipe:

:0:
* ^TO_.*@*(lists\.)?gnucash\.org
accounting

all incoming messages to, or CC'd to, either lists.gnucash.org or
gnucash.org are placed in the 'accounting' file.

  Where I find list name prefixes within brackets useful is when I want
several maillists (such as for spatial analyses) to be filed in the same
place because they address the same subject matter. The bracketed name tells
me which thread belongs to which mail list.

Regards,

Rich

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Fross, Michael]

Add me to the dislike list.  A simple filtering of the "FROM" field works
easily.  I don't see what all the concern is about.

Michael

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Chris Marusich  wrote:

> "Liz"  writes:
>
> > While others have mentioned filtering on the "To" field, it's also
> > been necessary to filter on the "CC" field.
>
> Anyone reading this thread might also be interested in the following
> essay, which describes the pros and cons of various methods for
> filtering list email:
>
> http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html
>
> Its thesis is that "the best way to filter list traffic is actually on
> the Return-Path."  That's what I do (when the list actually provides
> such a header).  So, this change won't affect my own filtering rules.
>
> Filtering based on the Subject is of course a common tactic when the
> list adds a tag to the Subject, but most lists I've seen don't do that,
> and it isn't discussed in that essay.
>
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Chris Marusich]

"Liz"  writes:

> While others have mentioned filtering on the "To" field, it's also
> been necessary to filter on the "CC" field.

Anyone reading this thread might also be interested in the following
essay, which describes the pros and cons of various methods for
filtering list email:

http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html

Its thesis is that "the best way to filter list traffic is actually on
the Return-Path."  That's what I do (when the list actually provides
such a header).  So, this change won't affect my own filtering rules.

Filtering based on the Subject is of course a common tactic when the
list adds a tag to the Subject, but most lists I've seen don't do that,
and it isn't discussed in that essay.

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Stan Brown]

Yes, I agree. Just because one or two people ask for something does not
mean it should be made mandatory on everyone.

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On 2018-04-07 21:01, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parry  wrote:
> 
>>
>> Adding a prefix does not stop you continuing your method, and at the same
>> time also meets the request of us "dinosaurs" 
>>
> 
> And annoys the rest of us that were happy with things they way that we
> were. At the least, there should have been a wider discussion before
> implementing this.
> 
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[Stan Brown]

+1++

:-)

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> John Ralls  writes:
> 
>> Add me to the list of folks who dislike this change.
> 
> +1
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Saša Janiška]

John Ralls  writes:

> Add me to the list of folks who dislike this change.

+1


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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[John Ralls]

Add me to the list of folks who dislike this change.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Apr 7, 2018, at 11:32 PM, Amish  wrote:
> 
> Even I feel it annoying and unnecessary.
> 
> Here is what w3c (World Wide Web Consortium) which develops Web standards has 
> to say about adding subject in their own mailing list.
> 
> Source: https://www.w3.org/Mail/subject-tagging
> 
>   Subject tagging is not a reliable way to identify mail from a
>   mailing list versus personal email, because if someone sends a
>   personal reply off the list, they will likely not remove the list
>   tag from the subject and the mail will get filtered to the
>   recipient's list mailbox even though it was not distributed by the list.
> 
>   ... we would rather see effort invested in getting mail software
>   fixed to do the right thing than provide workarounds that provide no
>   incentive to do so
> 
> 
> Also subject tagging may also break signed messages which work on subject 
> header. (depending on how mailing list is configured)
> 
> Amish
> 
> On Sunday 08 April 2018 06:33 AM, Dave H wrote:
>> I'd rather you didn't do this at all, I typically just scan down the
>> subject line of all the emails in my inbox and it's just annoying to try
>> and ignore the crap on the beginning of the subject line !!
>> 
>> On Sun, 8 Apr. 2018, 10:22 am Liz,  wrote:
>> 
>>> Steve Parry wrote:
 Thank you Liz😊
 
 Commonly, list prefixes are in square brackets to be more unique and make
 it clear it's a prefix.
 
 Any chance of changing them to [GNC] etc?
 
 Thank you again!
 Cheers...Steve
>>> Yes, I already spotted that lapse and amended it.
>>> 
>>> Liz
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[David T. via gnucash-user]

[GNC] +1 to this and to Frank’s objections. 

[GNC] I find such prefixes exceedingly annoying. 

[GNC] And making the change because of one or two people’s preference is rather 
autocratic.

[GNC] David T.

[GNC] See what I did there?

[GNC] :)

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 6:03 AM, Dave H  wrote:
> 
> I'd rather you didn't do this at all, I typically just scan down the
> subject line of all the emails in my inbox and it's just annoying to try
> and ignore the crap on the beginning of the subject line !!
> 
> On Sun, 8 Apr. 2018, 10:22 am Liz,  wrote:
> 
>> Steve Parry wrote:
>>> Thank you Liz😊
>>> 
>>> Commonly, list prefixes are in square brackets to be more unique and make
>>> it clear it's a prefix.
>>> 
>>> Any chance of changing them to [GNC] etc?
>>> 
>>> Thank you again!
>>> Cheers...Steve
>> 
>> Yes, I already spotted that lapse and amended it.
>> 
>> Liz
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Jeffrey Ollie]

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parry  wrote:

>
> Adding a prefix does not stop you continuing your method, and at the same
> time also meets the request of us "dinosaurs" 
>

And annoys the rest of us that were happy with things they way that we
were. At the least, there should have been a wider discussion before
implementing this.

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Liz]

Steve Parry wrote:
> Thank you Liz😊
>
> Commonly, list prefixes are in square brackets to be more unique and make
> it clear it's a prefix.
>
> Any chance of changing them to [GNC] etc?
>
> Thank you again!
> Cheers...Steve

Yes, I already spotted that lapse and amended it.

Liz

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Steve Parry]

Hi Frank. 
Adding a prefix does not stop you continuing your method, and at the same time 
also meets the request of us "dinosaurs" 
Cheers...Steve
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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Am 08.04.2018 um 00:58 schrieb Liz:
:
> I've put in GNC for this list, and GNC-dev for the development list. While
> others have mentioned filtering on the "To" field, it's also been
> necessary to filter on the "CC" field.
> Liz

Please, do not. That is Computer Ice Age.

The easiest and most unique way to filter is by "List ID:", in this case
"General Accounting Discussions ". See the
header of any email, which went through gnucash.org in the last years.

Regards
Frank

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Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Steve Parry]

Thank you Liz

Commonly, list prefixes are in square brackets to be more unique and make it 
clear it's a prefix.

Any chance of changing them to [GNC] etc?

Thank you again! 
Cheers...Steve
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