Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote: On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:40:28 -0400 Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.net articulated: I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5. Unfortunately, it might prove to be academic anyway. Unlike several other lists that I am subscribed to, this mailing list does not use a Reply-To: in the e-mail headers. It would definitely facilitate replying to list mail if the maintainer(s) of this list configured the mailer to insert such a header that pointed to this list. There is such a header: List-Post: mailto:gnupg-users@gnupg.org Reply-to is intended to be used by the sender to state his preference for replies. If he prefers off-list replies then he should set it to his address and if he prefers on-list replies then he should set it to the mailing list address. (In fact, there's also the Mail-followup-to header which is even better suited for this than the Reply-to header.) IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to dictate where replies to my posts should go. Therefore, the mailing list software should not touch the Reply-to header. Conversely, many MUAs support the reply to list function that should work correctly on this list. Exactly. It works correctly because those MUAs use the above mentioned standardized (RFC 2369) List-Post header. Regards, Ingo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:03:00 +0200 Ingo Klöcker kloec...@kde.org articulated: On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote: On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:40:28 -0400 Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.net articulated: I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5. Unfortunately, it might prove to be academic anyway. Unlike several other lists that I am subscribed to, this mailing list does not use a Reply-To: in the e-mail headers. It would definitely facilitate replying to list mail if the maintainer(s) of this list configured the mailer to insert such a header that pointed to this list. There is such a header: List-Post: mailto:gnupg-users@gnupg.org Reply-to is intended to be used by the sender to state his preference for replies. If he prefers off-list replies then he should set it to his address and if he prefers on-list replies then he should set it to the mailing list address. (In fact, there's also the Mail-followup-to header which is even better suited for this than the Reply-to header.) There does not appear to be any universal support for the Mail-Followup-To: header. There was a draft for it: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-drums-mail-followup-to-00.txt however, as far as I know, it was never adopted. RFC 2822 does not mention it either. IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to dictate where replies to my posts should go. Therefore, the mailing list software should not touch the Reply-to header. Presently, the mailing list manager employed here strips away any Reply-to: headers. Conversely, many MUAs support the reply to list function that should work correctly on this list. Exactly. It works correctly because those MUAs use the above mentioned standardized (RFC 2369) List-Post header. -- Jerry gnupg.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ It's always a long day; 86400 doesn't fit into a short. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
Ingo Klöcker wrote: On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote: On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:40:28 -0400 Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.net articulated: I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5. Unfortunately, it might prove to be academic anyway. Unlike several other lists that I am subscribed to, this mailing list does not use a Reply-To: in the e-mail headers. It would definitely facilitate replying to list mail if the maintainer(s) of this list configured the mailer to insert such a header that pointed to this list. There is such a header: List-Post: mailto:gnupg-users@gnupg.org So there is. Reply-to is intended to be used by the sender to state his preference for replies. If he prefers off-list replies then he should set it to his address and if he prefers on-list replies then he should set it to the mailing list address. (In fact, there's also the Mail-followup-to header which is even better suited for this than the Reply-to header.) IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to dictate where replies to my posts should go. Therefore, the mailing list software should not touch the Reply-to header. OK. Conversely, many MUAs support the reply to list function that should work correctly on this list. Perhaps so, but my Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 dies not, and it is the latest version available in .rpm for my distribution (RHEL 5.5). I hear Thunderbird 3 does have something like this. Exactly. It works correctly because those MUAs use the above mentioned standardized (RFC 2369) List-Post header. -- .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jerseyhttp://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 07:00:01 up 37 days, 14:55, 3 users, load average: 5.59, 4.62, 4.33 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
On Sunday 13 June 2010, Jean-David Beyer wrote: Ingo Klöcker wrote: On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote: Conversely, many MUAs support the reply to list function that should work correctly on this list. Perhaps so, but my Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 dies not, and it is the latest version available in .rpm for my distribution (RHEL 5.5). I hear Thunderbird 3 does have something like this. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4455/ Regards, Ingo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
Ingo Klöcker wrote: On Sunday 13 June 2010, Jean-David Beyer wrote: Ingo Klöcker wrote: On Saturday 12 June 2010, Jerry wrote: Conversely, many MUAs support the reply to list function that should work correctly on this list. Perhaps so, but my Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 dies not, and it is the latest version available in .rpm for my distribution (RHEL 5.5). I hear Thunderbird 3 does have something like this. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4455/ Regards, Ingo Thank you. It works. I used it on this e-mail. It takes time, though. When I pressed Reply-List, it first put your personal e-mail address in the To: field and only later did it change it to the list itself. -- .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jerseyhttp://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 08:10:01 up 37 days, 16:05, 4 users, load average: 4.46, 4.63, 4.85 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
[OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 10:03:00 AM, in mid:201006131103.01...@thufir.ingo-kloecker.de, Ingo Klöcker wrote: IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to dictate where replies to my posts should go. Therefore, the mailing list software should not touch the Reply-to header. As far as I know, this is the only list I have ever subscribed to that does not set a reply-to header to the list address. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, just unique in my experience. The admins don't dictate where replies go: the person replying does whatever they want. However, I would suggest that it *is* perfectly proper for the admins of any list to set headers that encourage posters (or their email software) to follow the etiquette of that group. In the case of GnuPG-users, that would perhaps be a reply-to header containing both the list address and the senders address. - -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Did you hear? They took the word gullible out of the dictionary -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCVAwUBTBTeEaipC46tDG5pAQovlgP/ZM6sSGaX9gb+rm042SK23IRop39EmN/D JR7dhdPQ0yZRIIERldohuyaSz3wIwVXBs23AG156RABojALXAIAfcjAoc9oo1dII zcGhHNVIuXOYFJNt9cViuMnQ6ztk24rX0MiX7sOTBk6LF/pNsM3UPbCTSFqoGx3V Bq9QwGjaBnM= =AcRB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
On Sunday 13 June 2010, MFPA wrote: Hi On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 10:03:00 AM, in mid:201006131103.01...@thufir.ingo-kloecker.de, Ingo Klöcker wrote: IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to dictate where replies to my posts should go. Therefore, the mailing list software should not touch the Reply-to header. As far as I know, this is the only list I have ever subscribed to that does not set a reply-to header to the list address. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, just unique in my experience. The admins don't dictate where replies go: the person replying does whatever they want. True. But to do so the person replying has to decide whatever they want (reply to author or reply to list or reply to both). Also, not all MUAs make it easy to choose between reply to author or reply to list or reply to both. I'm not sure what the conclusion is. I guess the only sensible conclusion is using a decent MUA which gives the replier the choice. Optimizing the mailing list for crappy MUAs is just as wrong as optimizing web pages for crappy browsers. However, I would suggest that it *is* perfectly proper for the admins of any list to set headers that encourage posters (or their email software) to follow the etiquette of that group. In the case of GnuPG-users, that would perhaps be a reply-to header containing both the list address and the senders address. Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the etiquette of this group. It's certainly not mentioned on the listinfo page of gnupg-users. Also, most people seem to reply to list only. Regards, Ingo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:12:54 +0200 Ingo Klöcker kloec...@kde.org articulated: Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the etiquette of this group. It's certainly not mentioned on the listinfo page of gnupg-users. Also, most people seem to reply to list only. While it would appear that most users direct their replies back to the list, there are a few morons who feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the OP. It gets worse; another user unintentionally replies to just such a message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP starts receiving a chain of unwanted e-mails. While it is certainly possible to filter out just such nonsense, and personally I feel that reporting it as SPAM since it effective is, doing so would probably not bode well for the list's reputation.. -- Jerry ✌ gnupg.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ BEWARE! People acting under the influence of human nature. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 7:37:33 PM, in mid:20100613143733.7baf8...@scorpio, Jerry wrote: While it would appear that most users direct their replies back to the list, there are a few morons who feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the OP. After my first few postings to this list, I received a complaint from somebody whose post I replied to, for not copying my replies directly to the OP. I amended my reply template to do so, and have received no complaint since. It gets worse; another user unintentionally replies to just such a message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP starts receiving a chain of unwanted e-mails. I guess nobody has done that when replying to me, since I've experienced no such chain. While it is certainly possible to filter out just such nonsense, and personally I feel that reporting it as SPAM since it effective is, doing so would probably not bode well for the list's reputation.. SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-; - -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCVAwUBTBVywaipC46tDG5pAQoqGwQAjYh1Sg5+0cQRYrbDWfoaP1BoT3cdQe/G o7n3PDyvQxGwfxJWVBKVQR4Fh72KKCVUgc0tFhnsPWgPVjf7iwgx1Cp4W8Sc6m5S Jr6cr90tM3kIid5MvJQQNn6N+zi2+RT+dCnGS9dztelO1+VdUL1ype/pQ/3HNP9R zPXBcRmHl3k= =lsUD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-; Which is pretty good when sliced thin, pan fried and put on a toasted English muffin with spicy mustard! ___ Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas sonjamiche...@gmail.com I realized fear one morning, when the blare of the fox-hunters sound. When they are all chasing after the poor bloody fox, it's safer to be dressed like a hound. On 6/13/2010 19:07, MFPA wrote: Hi On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 7:37:33 PM, in mid:20100613143733.7baf8...@scorpio, Jerry wrote: While it would appear that most users direct their replies back to the list, there are a few morons who feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the OP. After my first few postings to this list, I received a complaint from somebody whose post I replied to, for not copying my replies directly to the OP. I amended my reply template to do so, and have received no complaint since. It gets worse; another user unintentionally replies to just such a message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP starts receiving a chain of unwanted e-mails. I guess nobody has done that when replying to me, since I've experienced no such chain. While it is certainly possible to filter out just such nonsense, and personally I feel that reporting it as SPAM since it effective is, doing so would probably not bode well for the list's reputation.. SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-; -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 6:12:54 PM, in mid:201006131912.55...@thufir.ingo-kloecker.de, Ingo Klöcker wrote: Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the etiquette of this group. It's certainly not mentioned on the listinfo page of gnupg-users. Also, most people seem to reply to list only. When I first posted here, I wondered why I kept getting copies of replies to my posts sent directly to my address as well as via the list. Soon, somebody corrected me for not copying them in on my reply to their post as well as sending it to the list. They told me that was the etiquette here. Since my experience at the time supported that statement, I duly set up my reply template to do just that. I can't remember who that was, and probably no longer have a copy of the message. I still often receive copies of replies to my posts directly as well as via the list; sometimes both addresses are in the to field, but more often one or other is a cc. I still have my reply template set up to do the same. - -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com No man ever listened himself out of a job -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCVAwUBTBV2c6ipC46tDG5pAQpzmgP8CuvmihkXJiSBMNfjwENzEe4qaC2Ibxu1 mDHHOdefWk3HZ7zhvT3/M0BqCRBr32cpTS/aw7bSjpneZTKgSzUizAfBoP6wyEQN peRewNNUT/ena3A06E/627R5Zm1Ux9GO3nrF0iyJxFS5zUk9sbHjn6NDwGX0CF6+ P8PLRZ75pr0= =yGjw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 08:45 -0500, Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas wrote: To handle this issue I added the reply to list button to Thunderbird. Whenever I deal with a list, I hit that button. I added it through the right click customize menu and drug the button to my toolbar. I use Evolution which also gives me a choice if the list headers are done right. CWSIV ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas wrote: my e-mailer honored it automatically (perhaps it does). Because some lists to which I subscribe automatically reply to the lists, and some automatically reply to the original sender, and I cannot remember which is which. I know asking any particular list to change is not worth the trouble; each list has its own policy and unwilling to change. I try to remember which is which. It is sometimes suggested to hit Reply-All, but this results in the original poster's getting two replies. I To handle this issue I added the reply to list button to Thunderbird. Whenever I deal with a list, I hit that button. I added it through the right click customize menu and drug the button to my toolbar. I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5. -- .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jerseyhttp://counter.li.org ^^-^^ 16:35:01 up 37 days, 30 min, 4 users, load average: 4.40, 4.57, 4.59 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
On 06/12/10 13:40, Jean-David Beyer wrote: I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5. As much as I hate to contribute to this off topic thread, it's probably worth saying that there are buttons for 'reply' and 'reply list/all' in tbird 3. It's a great upgrade from tbird 2, which I used for years. You might try downloading the linux version from the mozilla site. hth, Doug -- ... and that's just a little bit of history repeating. -- Propellerheads Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover!http://SupersetSolutions.com/ ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:40:28 -0400 Jean-David Beyer jeandav...@verizon.net articulated: I see no way to do that. I have a Reply button and a Reply All button and no others. There is no such button on that screen that allows diddling buttons. Thunderbird 2.0.0.16, which is the latest for Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5. Unfortunately, it might prove to be academic anyway. Unlike several other lists that I am subscribed to, this mailing list does not use a Reply-To: in the e-mail headers. It would definitely facilitate replying to list mail if the maintainer(s) of this list configured the mailer to insert such a header that pointed to this list. Conversely, many MUAs support the reply to list function that should work correctly on this list. -- Jerry gnupg.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago. Bernard Berenson ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Test mail to gnupg.user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 my e-mailer honored it automatically (perhaps it does). Because some lists to which I subscribe automatically reply to the lists, and some automatically reply to the original sender, and I cannot remember which is which. I know asking any particular list to change is not worth the trouble; each list has its own policy and unwilling to change. I try to remember which is which. It is sometimes suggested to hit Reply-All, but this results in the original poster's getting two replies. I To handle this issue I added the reply to list button to Thunderbird. Whenever I deal with a list, I hit that button. I added it through the right click customize menu and drug the button to my toolbar. ___ Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas so...@sdf.lonestar.org Oregano - The ancient art of pizza folding. On 6/11/2010 7:14, Jean-David Beyer wrote: Jerry wrote (in part): Which reminds me; there is a request at the end of every post I make. Would it be to much of an imposition for you to honor that request? Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. I looked at the headers, and there is no Reply-To header in the e-mail I received from the list. An entire page of headers, but not that one. Even if Reply-To was a header, it would be too much to honor it unless my e-mailer honored it automatically (perhaps it does). Because some lists to which I subscribe automatically reply to the lists, and some automatically reply to the original sender, and I cannot remember which is which. I know asking any particular list to change is not worth the trouble; each list has its own policy and unwilling to change. I try to remember which is which. It is sometimes suggested to hit Reply-All, but this results in the original poster's getting two replies. I particularly hate this method as I then reply to which ever one I get first, usually direct to the author, thinking he wants a private reply since he sent it to me privately. Then a little later I get one from the list, and it is usually too much trouble to send another reply to the list. I wish all lists were set up so a reply to a message from the list went back to the list, but there is no point asking that from a list that does things another way. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJMEj4KAAoJEI+f8geCGt+F6NEP/22fQL36IyOGYgYUrxkLoLvf IxUr8VqugsJAelv6cs8JsdsXCWHlaPZsBWs7JLW9qbNc/bBN2n6hSPKNxgF0e8Pi V9mN7qwzwe73AXKAb4sT1OIAiDh8sLx1y9jOLttHi4k4Gpt2oSTyDLXGMrXsNylP gkKfBl0xZQls5qir2uGC2hMgHlB2wQiqNkJp5QtQxEul5eRxxHcjqox1pdvnyfWP 5TH6+3YsysKI70GpM8rYtZHiZg0at+8yRCwYFG/Vh0r+D3drnwguYG4ZgAY0ICyQ qWiHSY8nBN0FlTRdvqKaD6lhQQnrTAsZxgakz31/dQHKO1APXStq5KX+8T/q5xUz y2uIHI3OGXa9yJej8Juz/6uqwSik7k4h7e8MIrIyRoKGlaF4/Z3QQ+Up8qX9GgUF nSRwBCLtwAwQyUA6qRbUSO2fXyBJMjHIT9NcUa5FDMIKLrRMOOOp1MVRXrUIW1YP G19FfLyTOXlvZdCKVcGckTvu4eD+56Msuy1vNpVczuzEVw48lCNfKZFLCRc6gdg2 x6yKGJiOCXf0LDdRnTMewIC3k9t/MMu11VTa07rFc8E9jF4b6K/bUqqReY2laGMr RkL5kyNBUyCSX7oIV6J8qsaBwJ8ZyIO+Gm9ySuX8meT4sm+4UYvnss/6VTC6ai45 cfVxblFoNOhPpxFAnhe3 =/vF1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100611-0, 06/11/2010 Tested on: 6/11/2010 8:45:48 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
