Re[8]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Reply to: Jerry Murdock Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Tuesday 8:20:28 PM Hmm, Microsoft chose Trend.. -- Roger Heath advanced internet desktop: www.activatordesk.com antivirus antispam email : www.activatormail.com master internet index: www.infogrid.com - Copy of Original Message(s): - J The Trend product line is by far my favorite of the big names, and what we J generally move clients to as circumstances allow. J Jerry J - Original Message - Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
that wouldn't make any difference to me! Roger Heath wrote: Reply to: Jerry Murdock Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Tuesday 8:20:28 PM Hmm, Microsoft chose Trend.. -- Roger Heath advanced internet desktop: www.activatordesk.com antivirus antispam email : www.activatormail.com master internet index: www.infogrid.com - Copy of Original Message(s): - J The Trend product line is by far my favorite of the big names, and what we J generally move clients to as circumstances allow. J Jerry J - Original Message - Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ begin:vcard n:Ricker;Lew tel;work:603 335-7517 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fn:Lew Ricker end:vcard
Re: Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
In reply to 3 Dec message from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There should be a credit to Dusty somewhere in here, so I thought I'd just add this, even though he was not an employee. Those that know his contributions will know what I am talking about. g Actually, I tried to hire Dusty once. g Fell through. Wish I could have caught him. Bob Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Yeah Daniel to give support like Daniel Donnelly provided so long ago. Craig. Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Hi, I have a license for F-Prot...it is per box, per year no restrictions of what kind of box...it is $2/year per box with a minimum of 10 licenses. = $20 $20/year is a helluva deal for what you get...and I can install it on up to 10 boxes. That's kind ov a newbie thing, to not do yer homework before making statements... Thanks, Andy Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thumpernet.com 315-282-0020 Monday, December 03, 2001, 3:30:50 PM, you wrote: RP Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your mail RP server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can eat RP you for lunch if you get caught. If you buy Declude and a server license for RP the number of email users you have, you'll surpass the cost of Imail AV by RP miles. Declude doesn't tell you that part, do they? As a matter of fact, RP there is little mention of which virus scanner to use legally. RP That is why the IPSwitch solution makes more sense..I mean, you have to buy RP an AV subscription (according to the website) and that should cover you RP legally for ALL users on your system. RP Rick Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your mail server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can eat you for lunch if you get caught. If you buy Declude and a server license for the number of email users you have, you'll surpass the cost of Imail AV by miles. Declude doesn't tell you that part, do they? As a matter of fact, there is little mention of which virus scanner to use legally. Is this guy for real? 1 license equals one scanner running on one computer. If you have 20 licenses, you can have 20 scanners running on 20 computers, or 20 scanners running on 1 computer. When you buy the commercial license, it is $20 per year, which they clearly state is for up to 20 usages. The commercial license is for commercial purposes. John Tolmachoff, Network Engineer 211 E. Imperial Hwy., Suite 106 Fullerton, CA 92835 714-578-7999, ext. 104 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reliancesoft.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
F-Prot is only free for personal use on one computer. Any other purpose requires a license. ($20) John Tolmachoff, Network Engineer 211 E. Imperial Hwy., Suite 106 Fullerton, CA 92835 714-578-7999, ext. 104 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reliancesoft.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of andyb@thumpernet Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:13 PM To: Brad Bond Subject: Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Hi, F-prot DOS is free, but you can't get the updates without a license Thanks, Andy Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thumpernet.com 315-282-0020 Monday, December 03, 2001, 4:09:13 PM, you wrote: BB What the hell is he talking about the F-Prot I got was free?!? BB -Original Message- BB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Peacock BB Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:31 PM BB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude BB Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your BB mail BB server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can BB eat BB you for lunch if you get caught. If you buy Declude and a server license BB for BB the number of email users you have, you'll surpass the cost of Imail AV BB by BB miles. Declude doesn't tell you that part, do they? As a matter of fact, BB there is little mention of which virus scanner to use legally. BB That is why the IPSwitch solution makes more sense..I mean, you have to BB buy BB an AV subscription (according to the website) and that should cover you BB legally for ALL users on your system. BB Rick BB - Original Message - BB From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:02 PM BB Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it BB almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 BB invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts BB are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update BB - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even BB scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and BB have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I BB throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product BB keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott BB Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as BB there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) BB contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ BB Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html BB to be removed from this list. BB An Archive of this list is available at: BB http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ BB Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html BB to be removed from this list. BB An Archive of this list
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Sorry for my 2 cents, but I felt the need to jump in here. For someone that is affiliated with a company(?) that last updated it's website over 2 1/2 years ago, and that the default page takes 15 seconds to load on a T-1, (I would hate to see how long it would load on a modem,) he sure likes to sling a lot of mud at people who have put forth a lot of time and effort for free into helping others out. This forum, as he stated, is for helping each other with support issues. Question, how does his email complaining about other emails provide support? John Tolmachoff, Network Engineer 211 E. Imperial Hwy., Suite 106 Fullerton, CA 92835 714-578-7999, ext. 104 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reliancesoft.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Peacock Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Ironically, I agree with you on a number of points. IPSwitch should defend themselves openly in this forum. What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. There was no need for them to come into this forum and flame ImailAV. Their purpose was clear - divert customers from ImailIV to Declude and IMGate. Might I add - Imail is an excellent product backed by people who have demonstrated integrity and a willingness to listen and respond to customers. And I noticed that Scott Perry is a frequent contributor to this list. I don't recall ever attacking his technical ability as he seems very knowlegeable. I just attacked his marketing techniques. Rick What a sad, arrogant email. Declude is an excellent product backed by people who have demonstrated integrity and a willingness to listen and respond to customers. Scott Perry is a frequent contributor to this list. I always find it interesting that some newcomers should feel obliged to alienate the rest of the community so quickly. It doesn't sound like you have anything you need to learn so did you join only to lecture the rest of us? IPSWITCH should worry more about their customers and less about defending themselves. Listening to customers and correcting irritating and damaging product deficiencies are two things that go a long ways to improving their image. If they are going to defend themselves then they should do it out in the open and not by subterfuge or deceit. This list has been a real benefit for IMAIL users. It would probably be better if IPSWITCH employees and sellers showed more appreciation to frequent contributors and less angst. Personally it appears to me that your last sentence is advice you should take yourself: If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Customers are one thing you must have in order to have a successful business. One should be cautious when one decides to drive them away. Terry Fritts Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:02:43 -0600 The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update I purchased a license of NetShield - which comes with the command line scanner for Declude AND it offers the auto-update (signature files) and auto-upgrade (scanner logic) options. It also addresses the occasional problem where someone attempts to upload an infected HTML page to the web server or the WebBoard server. Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
It worked fine for awhile and then Mcafee would crash everytime I turned around. Uninstalled and reinstalled same thing, installed on another server It work fine for awhile and then it did the same. I have never had a problem with F-Prot and it catches way more than Mcafee every even thought about. My personal opinion is Mcafee is one of the worst virus scanners I have ever seen, I work on computers for the public and Mcafee misses more than any of the leading virus programs. For personal use Norton is the best for declude F-Prot is the best. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Stanley Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude I bought Mcafee but it sux. We've been using Declude/McAfee for months now, it seems to be working fine. What sort of situations were occurring that cause you to dislike it? Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Brad, I know it means little when someone else has a solution that works when yours doesn't but we have had great luck/experiences with McAfee/Declude. It catches everything and is very stable. Perhaps your version isn't current or there are other underlying issues on your server. Ed Chabot The Marlin Firearms Company 100 Kenna Drive North Haven, CT 06473 (203)985-3254 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Bond Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude It worked fine for awhile and then Mcafee would crash everytime I turned around. Uninstalled and reinstalled same thing, installed on another server It work fine for awhile and then it did the same. I have never had a problem with F-Prot and it catches way more than Mcafee every even thought about. My personal opinion is Mcafee is one of the worst virus scanners I have ever seen, I work on computers for the public and Mcafee misses more than any of the leading virus programs. For personal use Norton is the best for declude F-Prot is the best. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Stanley Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude I bought Mcafee but it sux. We've been using Declude/McAfee for months now, it seems to be working fine. What sort of situations were occurring that cause you to dislike it? Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
I have to agree. I was a Mcafee devotee since way back in the early dial-up BBS days, when we used it to scan our download libraries. This summer, I got an email from someone saying, hey, why did you send me this document? I hadn't sent him anything. I thought; uh oh. did a scan of the entire PC. Nothing. Did a manual check and found a bunch of EXEs that were bigger than they should be. Uninstalled Mcafee. Installed Norton. It did a scan and found over 70 instances of four different viruses that Mcafee never even twinged at. I did the same to my other two PC's and my laptop, and it found viruses on ALL of them, ALL of them had been running Mcafee, and had been happily chugging along. I ditched Mcafee and now run Norton exclusively. At 11:41 AM 12/4/2001, Brad Bond wrote: It worked fine for awhile and then Mcafee would crash everytime I turned around. Uninstalled and reinstalled same thing, installed on another server It work fine for awhile and then it did the same. I have never had a problem with F-Prot and it catches way more than Mcafee every even thought about. My personal opinion is Mcafee is one of the worst virus scanners I have ever seen, I work on computers for the public and Mcafee misses more than any of the leading virus programs. For personal use Norton is the best for declude F-Prot is the best. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Stanley Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude I bought Mcafee but it sux. We've been using Declude/McAfee for months now, it seems to be working fine. What sort of situations were occurring that cause you to dislike it? Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ ___ Scott MacLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 9184011 http://www.nerosoft.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
We found the exact same thing on the boss's computer, up-to-date Mcafee wouldn't find anything, but a new version of Norton's AV found 6 copies of a virus happily sending out copies of itself. I also used to run a BBS back in the day, and was a dedicated Mcafee fan, used it to scan the downloads as well as uploads people would send me, but over the past couple years they just don't seem to have it anymore. So into the outbox goes Mcafee and new copies of Norton for everyone here. Regards, Mike - Original Message - From: Scott MacLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude I have to agree. I was a Mcafee devotee since way back in the early dial-up BBS days, when we used it to scan our download libraries. This summer, I got an email from someone saying, hey, why did you send me this document? I hadn't sent him anything. I thought; uh oh. did a scan of the entire PC. Nothing. Did a manual check and found a bunch of EXEs that were bigger than they should be. Uninstalled Mcafee. Installed Norton. It did a scan and found over 70 instances of four different viruses that Mcafee never even twinged at. I did the same to my other two PC's and my laptop, and it found viruses on ALL of them, ALL of them had been running Mcafee, and had been happily chugging along. I ditched Mcafee and now run Norton exclusively. At 11:41 AM 12/4/2001, Brad Bond wrote: It worked fine for awhile and then Mcafee would crash everytime I turned around. Uninstalled and reinstalled same thing, installed on another server It work fine for awhile and then it did the same. I have never had a problem with F-Prot and it catches way more than Mcafee every even thought about. My personal opinion is Mcafee is one of the worst virus scanners I have ever seen, I work on computers for the public and Mcafee misses more than any of the leading virus programs. For personal use Norton is the best for declude F-Prot is the best. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Stanley Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude I bought Mcafee but it sux. We've been using Declude/McAfee for months now, it seems to be working fine. What sort of situations were occurring that cause you to dislike it? Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ ___ Scott MacLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 9184011 http://www.nerosoft.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Tuesday 2:20:13 PM We had just the opposite experience. We were standardized on Symantec for some years, but scanned using McAfee finding many files that Symantec didn't get. More recently we had dropped Symantec on some other machines and F-Protect found some bad files Symantec did not find. Strange. We don't use Symantec any more and use McAfee/Declude with no problems at all, but we may replace that with Icelanders soon as we are just growing more and more impressed with Frisk as time goes by. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Copy of Original Message(s): - W We found the exact same thing on the boss's computer, up-to-date Mcafee W wouldn't find anything, but a new version of Norton's AV found 6 copies of a W virus happily sending out copies of itself. I also used to run a BBS back W in the day, and was a dedicated Mcafee fan, used it to scan the downloads W as well as uploads people would send me, but over the past couple years they W just don't seem to have it anymore. So into the outbox goes Mcafee and W new copies of Norton for everyone here. W Regards, W Mike Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Is anyone using Panda products on their Imail servers? Michael Ryan Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
I have to agree. We support several locations, and between them have to deal with McAfee, Norton and Trend, and others. We generally have more issues with Norton than the others. Not necessarily missed viruses(they all have a few they miss), but miscellaneous system-type issues that go away when Norton is removed. Removing Norton may not be the first thing on our troubleshooting list, but it is near the top. Removing McAfee is further down on the list. Removing Trend is near the bottom of the list(and I'm not sure we've ever found it to be the cause of a problem). The Trend product line is by far my favorite of the big names, and what we generally move clients to as circumstances allow. Jerry - Original Message - From: Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:30 PM Subject: Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Tuesday 2:20:13 PM We had just the opposite experience. We were standardized on Symantec for some years, but scanned using McAfee finding many files that Symantec didn't get. More recently we had dropped Symantec on some other machines and F-Protect found some bad files Symantec did not find. Strange. We don't use Symantec any more and use McAfee/Declude with no problems at all, but we may replace that with Icelanders soon as we are just growing more and more impressed with Frisk as time goes by. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Copy of Original Message(s): - W We found the exact same thing on the boss's computer, up-to-date Mcafee W wouldn't find anything, but a new version of Norton's AV found 6 copies of a W virus happily sending out copies of itself. I also used to run a BBS back W in the day, and was a dedicated Mcafee fan, used it to scan the downloads W as well as uploads people would send me, but over the past couple years they W just don't seem to have it anymore. So into the outbox goes Mcafee and W new copies of Norton for everyone here. W Regards, W Mike Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Nice advertisement for Declude. Thanks for proving my point. As for my sounding like this Harry Sacks guy, whoever that is(just re-signed up for this forum the other week), I'll just say this: You and your friend Jim come on here and whine and insult IPSwitch and as soon as someone defends them, you try to tear them apart. You get mad when IPSwitch defends THEMSELVES, and why shouldn't they? This listserv wasn't set up for you and your buddy to use as a marketing tool. It was set up for Tech Support. I have been a fan of IPSwitch products for years and since you won't allow IPSWITCH to defend themselves, I figured I would stand up for them. I have never even HEARD of Declude before you mentioned them in this forum. I don't know if your product is good or bad. Personally, I don't really care. I use IPSwitch products. They work the first time, everytime. The installs never give me a problem, and usually by the time I find out there is a problem, IPSwitch already has fixed it. No one has EVER built a program that is 100% bugproof or served the needs of 100% of the people on the planet. So just back off. It's interesting. No one has flamed your product, which isn't a full featured mail server, but third-party add on. Even I haven't flamed your product - just your method of marketing it. yet you come on here(lately, it's been a daily occurence) and slam IPSwitch because they didn't pick you. I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Rick P.S. You were always the last kid picked in sports, weren't you? Your insecurity is showing :) Just a comment here (I'll try to refrain from saying anything that isn't constructive): Command line AV scanning is quite resource intensive, but with todays fast CPUs, it's possible to scan over 100,000 E-mails per day on a single server without a performance issue (on a decent server; a slower one could handle that load but might be slower than usual). A service based AV product can offer better performance, if in an architecture that is designed for performance (the internal TCP/IP traffic of IMail AntiVirus will add extra overhead) . From the preliminary information we have, it looks like IMail AntiVirus and Declude should be able to handle similar loads. This will of course depend on a number of factors (such as the specific scanner used, what options are used with it, hard drive access, etc.). Declude Virus Pro also now offers a pre-scanning feature that also helps with the performance and let you scan more E-mail on a single server, so that it won't have to start the virus scanner in up to about 80% of the cases where it would normally be needed (that doesn't mean a 5x performance increase though; perhaps 2-3x). -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Hi, wow I know there is something constructive in there...just can't find it... I've been ipswitch from the start too...and my experience is tech support is about 3 on scale of 1 to 10. My question submitted to Ipswitch months ago NEVER was resolved so I gave up and moved on. I still use Imail, but try not to need tech support. Yea, I paid for a support contract which at this point in time is a waste of my money. You must be watching a different list than medon't recall Scott ever whining or complaining. But, ok... Scott, consider yerself spanked ;) Declude needs no defending, watch the list and you'll see for yerself why. let's move on Thanks, Andy Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thumpernet.com 315-282-0020 Monday, December 03, 2001, 12:20:17 PM, you wrote: RP Nice advertisement for Declude. Thanks for proving my point. RP As for my sounding like this Harry Sacks guy, whoever that is(just RP re-signed up for this forum the other week), I'll just say this: RP You and your friend Jim come on here and whine and insult IPSwitch and as RP soon as someone defends them, you try to tear them apart. You get mad when RP IPSwitch defends THEMSELVES, and why shouldn't they? This listserv wasn't RP set up for you and your buddy to use as a marketing tool. It was set up for RP Tech Support. I have been a fan of IPSwitch products for years and since you RP won't allow IPSWITCH to defend themselves, I figured I would stand up for RP them. RP I have never even HEARD of Declude before you mentioned them in this forum. RP I don't know if your product is good or bad. Personally, I don't really RP care. I use IPSwitch products. They work the first time, everytime. The RP installs never give me a problem, and usually by the time I find out there RP is a problem, IPSwitch already has fixed it. No one has EVER built a program RP that is 100% bugproof or served the needs of 100% of the people on the RP planet. So just back off. RP It's interesting. No one has flamed your product, which isn't a full RP featured mail server, but third-party add on. Even I haven't flamed your RP product - just your method of marketing it. yet you come on here(lately, RP it's been a daily occurence) and slam IPSwitch because they didn't pick you. RP I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. RP Rick RP P.S. You were always the last kid picked in sports, weren't you? Your RP insecurity is showing :) Just a comment here (I'll try to refrain from saying anything that isn't constructive): Command line AV scanning is quite resource intensive, but with todays fast CPUs, it's possible to scan over 100,000 E-mails per day on a single RP server without a performance issue (on a decent server; a slower one could handle that load but might be slower than usual). A service based AV product can offer better performance, if in an architecture that is designed for performance (the internal TCP/IP traffic of IMail AntiVirus will add extra overhead) . From the preliminary information we have, it looks like IMail AntiVirus and Declude should be able to handle similar loads. This will of course depend on a number of factors (such as the specific scanner used, what options are used with it, hard drive access, etc.). Declude Virus Pro also now offers a pre-scanning feature that also helps with the performance and let you scan more E-mail on a single server, so that it won't have to start the virus scanner in up to about 80% of the cases where it would normally be needed (that doesn't mean a 5x performance increase though; perhaps 2-3x). -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ RP Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html RP to be removed from this list. RP An Archive of this list is available at: RP http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
What a sad, arrogant email. Declude is an excellent product backed by people who have demonstrated integrity and a willingness to listen and respond to customers. Scott Perry is a frequent contributor to this list. I always find it interesting that some newcomers should feel obliged to alienate the rest of the community so quickly. It doesn't sound like you have anything you need to learn so did you join only to lecture the rest of us? IPSWITCH should worry more about their customers and less about defending themselves. Listening to customers and correcting irritating and damaging product deficiencies are two things that go a long ways to improving their image. If they are going to defend themselves then they should do it out in the open and not by subterfuge or deceit. This list has been a real benefit for IMAIL users. It would probably be better if IPSWITCH employees and sellers showed more appreciation to frequent contributors and less angst. Personally it appears to me that your last sentence is advice you should take yourself: If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Customers are one thing you must have in order to have a successful business. One should be cautious when one decides to drive them away. Terry Fritts Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Rick P.S. You were always the last kid picked in sports, weren't you? Your insecurity is showing :) Rick, pull the feathers out of your #$ and go back and read the last couple of weeks mail in the list archive (link below). It will prevent you from eating your own shoe leather! Scott is one of the most helpful on this list. His Declude products are linked on the Ipswich 3rd party page and have been around for over a year. They are widely used by people on this list and I do not remember EVER seeing a complaint about Declude or Scott. I have been using Ipswitch products for over 5 years. I too WAS an Ipswitch fan until recently. Ipswitch has taken on a whole new approach in a lack of customer service and support (my last 3 calls to support were un solved, 2 were solved on this list and the last I gave up on). The last two weeks discussion have murdered this topic, so I will not continue. I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Sheldon Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com Ten Forward Communications E-Commerce that makes sense! 360-457-9023 http://www.tenforward.com/webcam Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Ironically, I agree with you on a number of points. IPSwitch should defend themselves openly in this forum. What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. There was no need for them to come into this forum and flame ImailAV. Their purpose was clear - divert customers from ImailIV to Declude and IMGate. Might I add - Imail is an excellent product backed by people who have demonstrated integrity and a willingness to listen and respond to customers. And I noticed that Scott Perry is a frequent contributor to this list. I don't recall ever attacking his technical ability as he seems very knowlegeable. I just attacked his marketing techniques. Rick What a sad, arrogant email. Declude is an excellent product backed by people who have demonstrated integrity and a willingness to listen and respond to customers. Scott Perry is a frequent contributor to this list. I always find it interesting that some newcomers should feel obliged to alienate the rest of the community so quickly. It doesn't sound like you have anything you need to learn so did you join only to lecture the rest of us? IPSWITCH should worry more about their customers and less about defending themselves. Listening to customers and correcting irritating and damaging product deficiencies are two things that go a long ways to improving their image. If they are going to defend themselves then they should do it out in the open and not by subterfuge or deceit. This list has been a real benefit for IMAIL users. It would probably be better if IPSWITCH employees and sellers showed more appreciation to frequent contributors and less angst. Personally it appears to me that your last sentence is advice you should take yourself: If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Customers are one thing you must have in order to have a successful business. One should be cautious when one decides to drive them away. Terry Fritts Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
I can't believe people are still hashing this stuff over??!! And it strikes me that some of these comments are getting a little personal. The reality is that there are two kinds of people who post messages on this list: those that have a problem, and those that are just very involved with IMail. The 'problem-listers' are usually a little down on Ipswitch because they often come here when Ipswitch's tech support failed to solve their problem. The 'involved-listers' aren't necessarily down on Ipswitch, but they usually have a strong interest in IMail and in everything that Ipswitch does. So these people hash over Ipswitch's moves with a pretty critical eye, and that's what you're hearing here. Finally, there is that silent majority, that seldom post here. However, even these people can be provoked if they think Ipswitch is changing there IMail product or corporate direction in a fashion which might disrupt their (the silent users') use of IMail. As long as I'm posting corrections, it's worth adding a few others: * Personally, even if IMailAV were cheaper, I would still prefer Declude. Integration is nice, but freedom of choice of AV product is nicer. All the AV vendors have their good years and bad years, and I would prefer flexibility in choosing my AV vendor. * Someone claimed that having the code as a system service would be more efficient or less resource-intensive than a command-line scanner. That's not necessarily true. The Symantec AV code could be more efficient than the Declude if it is tightly integrated with IMail's internal processing, but that depends on how closely the Symantec and Ipswitch programmers are working together. Simply making the code a service or a DLL doesn't mean squat for efficiency. *This list is NOT setup for IMail's tech support -- at least, not in the sense of Ipswitch providing support to users through this list. Occassionally, they answer questions, but that's gotten very rare the last year or so. They will be the first to tell you that this list exists so that users can help each other. Help here is a pretty broad term, which could include discussing whether Ipswitch is making good business decisions. Anyway, isn't it about time to drop this line of discussion? The product has been released, so there's not much we can do about it, except to wait to see how it does in the marketplace. Ben BC Web - Original Message - From: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Nice advertisement for Declude. Thanks for proving my point. As for my sounding like this Harry Sacks guy, whoever that is(just re-signed up for this forum the other week), I'll just say this: You and your friend Jim come on here and whine and insult IPSwitch and as soon as someone defends them, you try to tear them apart. You get mad when IPSwitch defends THEMSELVES, and why shouldn't they? This listserv wasn't set up for you and your buddy to use as a marketing tool. It was set up for Tech Support. I have been a fan of IPSwitch products for years and since you won't allow IPSWITCH to defend themselves, I figured I would stand up for them. I have never even HEARD of Declude before you mentioned them in this forum. I don't know if your product is good or bad. Personally, I don't really care. I use IPSwitch products. They work the first time, everytime. The installs never give me a problem, and usually by the time I find out there is a problem, IPSwitch already has fixed it. No one has EVER built a program that is 100% bugproof or served the needs of 100% of the people on the planet. So just back off. It's interesting. No one has flamed your product, which isn't a full featured mail server, but third-party add on. Even I haven't flamed your product - just your method of marketing it. yet you come on here(lately, it's been a daily occurence) and slam IPSwitch because they didn't pick you. I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Rick P.S. You were always the last kid picked in sports, weren't you? Your insecurity is showing :) Just a comment here (I'll try to refrain from saying anything that isn't constructive): Command line AV scanning is quite resource intensive, but with todays fast CPUs, it's possible to scan over 100,000 E-mails per day on a single server without a performance issue (on a decent server; a slower one could handle that load but might be slower than usual). A service based AV product can offer better performance, if in an architecture that is designed for performance (the internal TCP/IP traffic of IMail AntiVirus will add extra overhead) . From the preliminary information we have, it looks like IMail AntiVirus and Declude should be able to handle similar loads. This will of course depend on a number of factors (such as the specific scanner used, what options
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
snip What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. There was no need for them to come into this forum and flame ImailAV. Their purpose was clear - divert customers from ImailIV to Declude and IMGate. /snip Scott doesn't need to do that. IPSwitch's pricing does a much better job of it. Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Well, I have suggestion for you ... BTW, I am a newcomer too, even though I used to be on and off this list since Imail Rel. 5 As far as I am concerned, Declude is the product I never heard about outside of this list and I have no desire of learning anything more about it (at this point). If I did, I would be subscribing to Declude email forum ... So, why don't you Declude guys start your own forum and whoever feels like finding more about your product can start a subscription and let others on this list focus on Imail product. How about that? Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Smart Business Lists Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What a sad, arrogant email. Declude is an excellent product backed by people who have demonstrated integrity and a willingness to listen and respond to customers. Scott Perry is a frequent contributor to this list. I always find it interesting that some newcomers should feel obliged to alienate the rest of the community so quickly. It doesn't sound like you have anything you need to learn so did you join only to lecture the rest of us? IPSWITCH should worry more about their customers and less about defending themselves. Listening to customers and correcting irritating and damaging product deficiencies are two things that go a long ways to improving their image. If they are going to defend themselves then they should do it out in the open and not by subterfuge or deceit. This list has been a real benefit for IMAIL users. It would probably be better if IPSWITCH employees and sellers showed more appreciation to frequent contributors and less angst. Personally it appears to me that your last sentence is advice you should take yourself: If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Customers are one thing you must have in order to have a successful business. One should be cautious when one decides to drive them away. Terry Fritts Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
I try not to get involved in the flaming that runs rampid on this list at time, but I had to reply to this. Yes Declude does advertise to some extent on this list, but listening to it is the least we can do for all the help that is given. The guys from Declude give help on all topics and should not be treated like this. This is a world of corporate competition, so get use to it. If you don't like people helping then maybe you are on the wrong list. I appreciate EVERYONE on this list that lends a helping hand and applaud their efforts. They do not need to be spending their valuable time answering questions for everyone who posts. I have dealt with Ipswich's tech support (not saying their bad), but I feel that I get better advice from the people in this list and that include the gentlemen from Declude. Scott and Len (I know you aren't from Declude) are the two biggest contributors to this list. I know it is hard for people to let things go sometimes, but maybe it is time to quite kicking this dead horse. Bill - Original Message - From: Alex_OPTIMAONLINE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Well, I have suggestion for you ... BTW, I am a newcomer too, even though I used to be on and off this list since Imail Rel. 5 As far as I am concerned, Declude is the product I never heard about outside of this list and I have no desire of learning anything more about it (at this point). If I did, I would be subscribing to Declude email forum ... So, why don't you Declude guys start your own forum and whoever feels like finding more about your product can start a subscription and let others on this list focus on Imail product. How about that? Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Smart Business Lists Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What a sad, arrogant email. Declude is an excellent product backed by people who have demonstrated integrity and a willingness to listen and respond to customers. Scott Perry is a frequent contributor to this list. I always find it interesting that some newcomers should feel obliged to alienate the rest of the community so quickly. It doesn't sound like you have anything you need to learn so did you join only to lecture the rest of us? IPSWITCH should worry more about their customers and less about defending themselves. Listening to customers and correcting irritating and damaging product deficiencies are two things that go a long ways to improving their image. If they are going to defend themselves then they should do it out in the open and not by subterfuge or deceit. This list has been a real benefit for IMAIL users. It would probably be better if IPSWITCH employees and sellers showed more appreciation to frequent contributors and less angst. Personally it appears to me that your last sentence is advice you should take yourself: If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Customers are one thing you must have in order to have a successful business. One should be cautious when one decides to drive them away. Terry Fritts Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Ahem, This being an Imail forum, it would seem that products that work with Imail would be on-topic. The delete key is a marvellous thing. Thanks, Andy Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thumpernet.com 315-282-0020 Monday, December 03, 2001, 1:08:29 PM, you wrote: A Well, I have suggestion for you ... BTW, I am a newcomer too, even though I A used to be on and off this list since Imail Rel. 5 A As far as I am concerned, Declude is the product I never heard about outside A of this list and I have no desire of learning anything more about it (at A this point). If I did, I would be subscribing to Declude email forum ... A So, why don't you Declude guys start your own forum and whoever feels like A finding more about your product can start a subscription and let others on A this list focus on Imail product. How about that? A Alex A -Original Message- A From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Smart Business A Lists A Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:44 PM A To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude A What a sad, arrogant email. A Declude is an excellent product backed by people who have demonstrated A integrity and a willingness to listen and respond to customers. Scott A Perry is a frequent contributor to this list. A I always find it interesting that some newcomers should feel obliged to A alienate the rest of the community so quickly. It doesn't sound like A you have anything you need to learn so did you join only to lecture the A rest of us? A IPSWITCH should worry more about their customers and less about A defending themselves. Listening to customers and correcting irritating A and damaging product deficiencies are two things that go a long ways to A improving their image. A If they are going to defend themselves then they should do it out in the A open and not by subterfuge or deceit. A This list has been a real benefit for IMAIL users. It would probably be A better if IPSWITCH employees and sellers showed more appreciation to A frequent contributors and less angst. A Personally it appears to me that your last sentence is advice you should A take yourself: If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. A Customers are one thing you must have in order to have a successful A business. One should be cautious when one decides to drive them away. A Terry Fritts A Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html A to be removed from this list. A An Archive of this list is available at: A http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ A Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html A to be removed from this list. A An Archive of this list is available at: A http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
I took my ball and switched off of iMail altogether for all of my productions mail servers PRECISELY because of IPSwitch's HORRENDOUS customer support and cost for what you're getting. I went with something, basically, diametrically opposed and MUCH more reliable than iMail. Something used by several MAJOR Internet service providers and people who specialize in outsourced e-mail solutions. Best of all, it's FREE. It has no formal customer support, but a tight knit group of people willing to help out with problems on the mailing list. # -Original Message- # From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sheldon Koehler # Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:31 AM # To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude # # # I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. # Rick # P.S. You were always the last kid picked in sports, weren't you? Your # insecurity is showing :) # # Rick, pull the feathers out of your #$ and go back and read the # last couple # of weeks mail in the list archive (link below). It will prevent you from # eating your own shoe leather! # # Scott is one of the most helpful on this list. His Declude products are # linked on the Ipswich 3rd party page and have been around for over a year. # They are widely used by people on this list and I do not remember EVER # seeing a complaint about Declude or Scott. # # I have been using Ipswitch products for over 5 years. I too WAS # an Ipswitch # fan until recently. Ipswitch has taken on a whole new approach in # a lack of # customer service and support (my last 3 calls to support were un solved, 2 # were solved on this list and the last I gave up on). The last two weeks # discussion have murdered this topic, so I will not continue. # # I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. # # # Sheldon # # # Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com # Ten Forward Communications E-Commerce that makes sense! # 360-457-9023 http://www.tenforward.com/webcam # # Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time # to pause and reflect. Mark Twain # # # # # # Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html # to be removed from this list. # # An Archive of this list is available at: # http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ # # Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Sorry Rick, I have to disagree on the point below: Imail is an excellent product backed by people who have demonstrated integrity and a willingness to listen and respond to customers. Remember the smtp auth problem that many users had throughout version 6.0? This wasn't entirely fixed until 7.0. If you like I can email the list of bugs in 7.0 that have been brought to the attention of Ipswitch since it's release, they probably will get fixed in 8.0. This makes frustrated customers. I agree that every software has it's bugs, but they are generally addressed in a timely manner. How many times have I heard Ipswitch tech say they'll call back with more info -- then that's it, you'll never hear from them unless you get really p...d off and flame at supervisors. The only reason we have remained with Imail is because of the value-added products that Declude and HKSI offers. PV Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
You need to calm down Mr Peecock, it sounds as though you are going to bust something with all that venom. Scott, Len and Ron are the most frequent contributors on this list in my estimation. Scott does not need to advertise to this list because this list already knows about Declude, anyone who needs antivirus knows about it too I would imagine. Ipswitch has shot themselves in the foot and hopefully they will recover but from now on I am looking for an alternative.Just this week I had to tell my CEO that this was the best piece of software available at the time. (And this is not related to Declude) Notice how we customers feel? Craig. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Peacock Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Nice advertisement for Declude. Thanks for proving my point. As for my sounding like this Harry Sacks guy, whoever that is(just re-signed up for this forum the other week), I'll just say this: You and your friend Jim come on here and whine and insult IPSwitch and as soon as someone defends them, you try to tear them apart. You get mad when IPSwitch defends THEMSELVES, and why shouldn't they? This listserv wasn't set up for you and your buddy to use as a marketing tool. It was set up for Tech Support. I have been a fan of IPSwitch products for years and since you won't allow IPSWITCH to defend themselves, I figured I would stand up for them. I have never even HEARD of Declude before you mentioned them in this forum. I don't know if your product is good or bad. Personally, I don't really care. I use IPSwitch products. They work the first time, everytime. The installs never give me a problem, and usually by the time I find out there is a problem, IPSwitch already has fixed it. No one has EVER built a program that is 100% bugproof or served the needs of 100% of the people on the planet. So just back off. It's interesting. No one has flamed your product, which isn't a full featured mail server, but third-party add on. Even I haven't flamed your product - just your method of marketing it. yet you come on here(lately, it's been a daily occurence) and slam IPSwitch because they didn't pick you. I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Rick P.S. You were always the last kid picked in sports, weren't you? Your insecurity is showing :) Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
This is my FIRST post after lurking and learning for MONTHS. Having said that, I think it's YOU who need to take your ball and go home. You just signed up for this list and jumped into the middle of something you know little to nothing about. Wed don't need your attitude here. Scott is our friend. He helps all comers, whether they are his clients or not. That's more than I can say for IPswitch. Don't get me wrong. I love Imail. I do think they are on the verge of alienating a large part of their installed base with some of their recent business decisions. __ David Fletcher Micro-Prince Computers (904)721-0867 (904)721-1253 fax http://www.micro-prince.com (business) http://www.mahonri.org (personal) __ - Original Message - From: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Nice advertisement for Declude. Thanks for proving my point. As for my sounding like this Harry Sacks guy, whoever that is(just re-signed up for this forum the other week), I'll just say this: You and your friend Jim come on here and whine and insult IPSwitch and as soon as someone defends them, you try to tear them apart. You get mad when IPSwitch defends THEMSELVES, and why shouldn't they? This listserv wasn't set up for you and your buddy to use as a marketing tool. It was set up for Tech Support. I have been a fan of IPSwitch products for years and since you won't allow IPSWITCH to defend themselves, I figured I would stand up for them. I have never even HEARD of Declude before you mentioned them in this forum. I don't know if your product is good or bad. Personally, I don't really care. I use IPSwitch products. They work the first time, everytime. The installs never give me a problem, and usually by the time I find out there is a problem, IPSwitch already has fixed it. No one has EVER built a program that is 100% bugproof or served the needs of 100% of the people on the planet. So just back off. It's interesting. No one has flamed your product, which isn't a full featured mail server, but third-party add on. Even I haven't flamed your product - just your method of marketing it. yet you come on here(lately, it's been a daily occurence) and slam IPSwitch because they didn't pick you. I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Rick P.S. You were always the last kid picked in sports, weren't you? Your insecurity is showing :) Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
...Their purpose was clear - divert customers from ImailIV to Declude and IMGate. ... I just attacked his marketing techniques. Ooh, IMHO, you are so off target and clearly missed your mark. Scott and Len are undeniably professional, immensely helpful and always respectful of this forum. People come here repeatedly because of all the benefits they provide. They are the kind of members you always wish you had and could keep on any forum! For the record, their advice is far more accurate, detailed and consistent than Ipswitch. James Lesnick Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
what's that? i might be interested too. thanks, jim - Original Message - From: PC Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude I took my ball and switched off of iMail altogether for all of my productions mail servers PRECISELY because of IPSwitch's HORRENDOUS customer support and cost for what you're getting. I went with something, basically, diametrically opposed and MUCH more reliable than iMail. Something used by several MAJOR Internet service providers and people who specialize in outsourced e-mail solutions. Best of all, it's FREE. It has no formal customer support, but a tight knit group of people willing to help out with problems on the mailing list. # -Original Message- # From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sheldon Koehler # Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:31 AM # To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude # # # I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. # Rick # P.S. You were always the last kid picked in sports, weren't you? Your # insecurity is showing :) # # Rick, pull the feathers out of your #$ and go back and read the # last couple # of weeks mail in the list archive (link below). It will prevent you from # eating your own shoe leather! # # Scott is one of the most helpful on this list. His Declude products are # linked on the Ipswich 3rd party page and have been around for over a year. # They are widely used by people on this list and I do not remember EVER # seeing a complaint about Declude or Scott. # # I have been using Ipswitch products for over 5 years. I too WAS # an Ipswitch # fan until recently. Ipswitch has taken on a whole new approach in # a lack of # customer service and support (my last 3 calls to support were un solved, 2 # were solved on this list and the last I gave up on). The last two weeks # discussion have murdered this topic, so I will not continue. # # I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. # # # Sheldon # # # Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com # Ten Forward Communications E-Commerce that makes sense! # 360-457-9023 http://www.tenforward.com/webcam # # Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time # to pause and reflect. Mark Twain # # # # # # Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html # to be removed from this list. # # An Archive of this list is available at: # http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ # # Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Brad, You need to set up an automatic update for your F-Prot. Many people on this list are using a batch file that with a simple scheduler can keep you up to date. I have included the one I use and run every 6 hours. I have placed it in a zip file for safety purposes. I am more than happy with the Declude / F-Prot configuration and I don't have any worries about my virus scanning being out of date. Jerod M. Bennett Pixelpushers, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brad Bond Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ DoFTP.zip Description: Zip compressed data smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your mail server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can eat you for lunch if you get caught. If you buy Declude and a server license for the number of email users you have, you'll surpass the cost of Imail AV by miles. Declude doesn't tell you that part, do they? As a matter of fact, there is little mention of which virus scanner to use legally. That is why the IPSwitch solution makes more sense..I mean, you have to buy an AV subscription (according to the website) and that should cover you legally for ALL users on your system. Rick - Original Message - From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
I use qmail, running under Red Hat Linux. It's lean, mean, and fast. It has no built-in web functionality, however there are several web mail packages available for it. iMail bills itself as the 20 minute mail solution. I had a basic install of qmail up and going in about an hour after reading the docs. This is w/o having ever set it up before. To make things simpler I used a 3rd party application for virtual domain management that works with the majority of the web mail packages out there. It took another 10 minutes to install the third party package. The iMail package itself isn't a bad product, but it is not a great product either. There are alot of flaws that IPSwitch needs to address. If they did some of the big e-mail providers MIGHT just switch to it. I'm talking about people like The Electric Mail Company, Critical Path, HotMail (Microsoft hasn't gotten off of it completely yet), and others that I don't know about. They all use qmail. My ISP, Qwest even uses it despite a partnership with Microsoft. qmail isn't the be-all end-all either. It's author Dan Bernstein is, to put it nicely, a prick, but his software works. The support list is good as well. They've been able to answer every question I have ever had in a timely manner. # -Original Message- # From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Jones, Jr. # Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:14 PM # To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude # # # what's that? i might be interested too. # # thanks, # # jim # - Original Message - # From: PC Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] # To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:29 PM # Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude # # # I took my ball and switched off of iMail altogether for all of my # productions mail servers PRECISELY because of IPSwitch's HORRENDOUS # customer # support and cost for what you're getting. # # I went with something, basically, diametrically opposed and MUCH more # reliable than iMail. Something used by several MAJOR Internet service # providers and people who specialize in outsourced e-mail solutions. # # Best of all, it's FREE. It has no formal customer support, but a tight # knit # group of people willing to help out with problems on the mailing list. # # # -Original Message- # # From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of # Sheldon Koehler # # Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:31 AM # # To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude # # # # # # I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. # # Rick # # P.S. You were always the last kid picked in sports, weren't # you? Your # # insecurity is showing :) # # # # Rick, pull the feathers out of your #$ and go back and read the # # last couple # # of weeks mail in the list archive (link below). It will # prevent you from # # eating your own shoe leather! # # # # Scott is one of the most helpful on this list. His Declude # products are # # linked on the Ipswich 3rd party page and have been around for over a # year. # # They are widely used by people on this list and I do not remember EVER # # seeing a complaint about Declude or Scott. # # # # I have been using Ipswitch products for over 5 years. I too WAS # # an Ipswitch # # fan until recently. Ipswitch has taken on a whole new approach in # # a lack of # # customer service and support (my last 3 calls to support were # un solved, # 2 # # were solved on this list and the last I gave up on). The last # two weeks # # discussion have murdered this topic, so I will not continue. # # # # I got an idea. If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. # # # # # # Sheldon # # # # # # Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com # # Ten Forward Communications E-Commerce that makes sense! # # 360-457-9023 http://www.tenforward.com/webcam # # # # Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time # # to pause and reflect. Mark Twain # # # # # # # # # # # # Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html # # to be removed from this list. # # # # An Archive of this list is available at: # # http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ # # # # # # # Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html # to be removed from this list. # # An Archive of this list is available at: # http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ # # # # Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html # to be removed from this list. # # An Archive of this list is available at: # http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ # # Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
- Original Message - From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Not true... you can have F-Prot auto-update. I have the NT scheduler run it nightly and grab defs from F-Prot if there are newer ones. It works like a charm. :) It did take me a little bit to think of the right way to do it, but it turns out that it is really easy. The updater has switches to make it silent and update from the internet. You run that on a schedule with nt scheduler and you have an auto-update. :) The switches are documented on Frisk's web site. Declude worked for me from day one for spam and virii. F-Prot is the perfect scanner. Very light weight and catches virii very well. -Josh Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
What the hell is he talking about the F-Prot I got was free?!? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Peacock Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your mail server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can eat you for lunch if you get caught. If you buy Declude and a server license for the number of email users you have, you'll surpass the cost of Imail AV by miles. Declude doesn't tell you that part, do they? As a matter of fact, there is little mention of which virus scanner to use legally. That is why the IPSwitch solution makes more sense..I mean, you have to buy an AV subscription (according to the website) and that should cover you legally for ALL users on your system. Rick - Original Message - From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Hi, You can just use the F-prot scheduler if you got the windows version (it comes with the needed command line scanner) I can see that the NT scheduler will do the same thing. Thanks, Andy Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thumpernet.com 315-282-0020 Monday, December 03, 2001, 3:54:51 PM, you wrote: JL - Original Message - JL From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] JL Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:02 PM JL Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude JL Not true... you can have F-Prot auto-update. I have the NT scheduler run it JL nightly and grab defs from F-Prot if there are newer ones. It works like a JL charm. :) It did take me a little bit to think of the right way to do it, JL but it turns out that it is really easy. The updater has switches to make it JL silent and update from the internet. You run that on a schedule with nt JL scheduler and you have an auto-update. :) The switches are documented on JL Frisk's web site. JL Declude worked for me from day one for spam and virii. F-Prot is the perfect JL scanner. Very light weight and catches virii very well. JL -Josh JL Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html JL to be removed from this list. JL An Archive of this list is available at: JL http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Hi, F-prot DOS is free, but you can't get the updates without a license Thanks, Andy Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thumpernet.com 315-282-0020 Monday, December 03, 2001, 4:09:13 PM, you wrote: BB What the hell is he talking about the F-Prot I got was free?!? BB -Original Message- BB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Peacock BB Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:31 PM BB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude BB Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your BB mail BB server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can BB eat BB you for lunch if you get caught. If you buy Declude and a server license BB for BB the number of email users you have, you'll surpass the cost of Imail AV BB by BB miles. Declude doesn't tell you that part, do they? As a matter of fact, BB there is little mention of which virus scanner to use legally. BB That is why the IPSwitch solution makes more sense..I mean, you have to BB buy BB an AV subscription (according to the website) and that should cover you BB legally for ALL users on your system. BB Rick BB - Original Message - BB From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:02 PM BB Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it BB almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 BB invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts BB are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update BB - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even BB scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and BB have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I BB throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product BB keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott BB Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as BB there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) BB contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ BB Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html BB to be removed from this list. BB An Archive of this list is available at: BB http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ BB Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html BB to be removed from this list. BB An Archive of this list is available at: BB http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your mail server. FYI, just to point out another error here: F-Prot (and McAfee and the others), as far as I know, have no licensing restrictions against using the software on a mail server. Let me now add that consultme.net is operated by someone who lives in Georgia, home of Harry Sacks. I won't say whether or not they are related, but the flaming and attacking coming from Georgia is getting pretty annoying these days. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
- Original Message - From: PC Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Best of all, it's FREE. It has no formal customer support, but a tight knit group of people willing to help out with problems on the mailing list. Sendmail ? -Josh Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
No. Sendmail is a pain to configure. qmail. # -Original Message- # From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joshua Levitsky # Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:57 PM # To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude # # # - Original Message - # From: PC Tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 1:29 PM # Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude # # # Best of all, it's FREE. It has no formal customer support, but a tight # knit # group of people willing to help out with problems on the mailing list. # # Sendmail ? # # -Josh # # # Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html # to be removed from this list. # # An Archive of this list is available at: # http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ # # Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Hi, Even though you can't use the F-Prot Windows on-line scanner with declude, you *can* use the F-Prot updater. This will check your .def files (nightly in my case) so you don't have to remember Thanks, Andy Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thumpernet.com 315-282-0020 Monday, December 03, 2001, 3:02:43 PM, you wrote: BB It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it almost BB $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 invested BB in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts are BB they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. BB I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it BB wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I BB don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I BB bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS BB but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - BB kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude BB Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even scans BB their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and have BB me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I throw BB that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably BB would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product keep BB up the good work. BB My 2 1/2 cents worth BB -Brad BB -Original Message- BB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry BB Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM BB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BB Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even BB emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use BB Symantec rather than Declude. BB Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there BB is BB some misinformation here. BB Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted BB anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than BB Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at BB Ipswitch, BB we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. BB I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... BB FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our BB products only work with IMail. BB -Scott BB --- BB Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for BB IMail. http://www.declude.com BB Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html BB to be removed from this list. BB An Archive of this list is available at: BB http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ BB Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html BB to be removed from this list. BB An Archive of this list is available at: BB http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
- Original Message - From: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your mail server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can eat you for lunch if you get caught. This is absolute fabrication. There is nothing in the license to prevent or even discourage it's use on a mail server or ANY kind of server. Jerry Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
First thing you should see here Alex, is that Scott and Len are NOT here specifically to endorse their product. I 've seen them giving advice on all htings Imail Related. THAT's why they're on this list. If they have the perk of gaining some buisness out of it.. Great! YOU don't have to go to them withyou7r buisness. that's everyone's personal choice, go with who you want. Personally I'm glad they're here . I'd never heard of declude before this mailing list either... Now though, I know of another choice i have for my antiviral needs. So before you start asking people to get on their own thread. realize that they make a valuable contribution to this one and that they aren't here to specifically promote their product.. And in any case. if Imail had a problem with it they'd have thrown those 'declude guys' off the imail forum years ago.. My .02 CP.. Jason Langlois System Administrator YourNetPlus.com - Original Message - From: Alex_OPTIMAONLINE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:08 AM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Well, I have suggestion for you ... BTW, I am a newcomer too, even though I used to be on and off this list since Imail Rel. 5 As far as I am concerned, Declude is the product I never heard about outside of this list and I have no desire of learning anything more about it (at this point). If I did, I would be subscribing to Declude email forum ... So, why don't you Declude guys start your own forum and whoever feels like finding more about your product can start a subscription and let others on this list focus on Imail product. How about that? Alex -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Smart Business Lists Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What a sad, arrogant email. Declude is an excellent product backed by people who have demonstrated integrity and a willingness to listen and respond to customers. Scott Perry is a frequent contributor to this list. I always find it interesting that some newcomers should feel obliged to alienate the rest of the community so quickly. It doesn't sound like you have anything you need to learn so did you join only to lecture the rest of us? IPSWITCH should worry more about their customers and less about defending themselves. Listening to customers and correcting irritating and damaging product deficiencies are two things that go a long ways to improving their image. If they are going to defend themselves then they should do it out in the open and not by subterfuge or deceit. This list has been a real benefit for IMAIL users. It would probably be better if IPSWITCH employees and sellers showed more appreciation to frequent contributors and less angst. Personally it appears to me that your last sentence is advice you should take yourself: If you can't place nice, take your ball and go home. Customers are one thing you must have in order to have a successful business. One should be cautious when one decides to drive them away. Terry Fritts Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Mr. Peacock, I think we are all big boys here and can be trusted to acquire the appropriate licenses for our software or suffer the consequences and do not need you telling us whether we are legal or not. I don't use F-Prot but a quick glance at their website indicates to me that they sell licenses by the computer it's installed on...not per email box, etc. Others here may have a more definitive answer. I don't think anyone else has mentioned it, but I find it interesting that your IP address seems to be geographically very close to Harry Sacks. In fact, it would appear almost literally next door. It seems located between 5 and 20 miles (depending on whether you use Arin's or NetSol's records) distant from the ISP that Harry Sacks/Ipswitch uses in Augusta, GA. Coincidence? Given your general attitude towards the subject which at times seems to contain PR type speech, your sudden appearance and this interesting coincidence I get a feeling that you have more at stake here than just a simple customer/consumer like most of us. -M - Original Message - From: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your mail server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can eat you for lunch if you get caught. If you buy Declude and a server license for the number of email users you have, you'll surpass the cost of Imail AV by miles. Declude doesn't tell you that part, do they? As a matter of fact, there is little mention of which virus scanner to use legally. That is why the IPSwitch solution makes more sense..I mean, you have to buy an AV subscription (according to the website) and that should cover you legally for ALL users on your system. Rick - Original Message - From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Alex: I guess I will jump in here to disagree. Here is the charter of the list (according to Ipswitch) Help other Ipswitch users as they help you. We believe in our customer base, and we think by letting you share ideas all of us can benefit. These e-mail discussion lists are for you to share tips and tricks for using our products. Rather you heard of it anywhere outside of this list does not make the discussion of anti-virus scanning any less germane to this list. Part of tips and tricks of running Imail server is knowing how add-in products work with Imail. I do not use Declude but I can say that Scott has always been helpful on a wide variety of topics posted on this list and I am always interested in how others are running their mail servers. I for one want to know how products like Declude and Web Templates are performing for others and I appreciate the discussion here. Chuck Schick Warp 8, Inc. www.warp8.com - Original Message - From: Alex_OPTIMAONLINE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 11:08 AM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude : : Well, I have suggestion for you ... BTW, I am a newcomer too, even though I : used to be on and off this list since Imail Rel. 5 : : As far as I am concerned, Declude is the product I never heard about outside : of this list and I have no desire of learning anything more about it (at : this point). If I did, I would be subscribing to Declude email forum ... : : So, why don't you Declude guys start your own forum and whoever feels like : finding more about your product can start a subscription and let others on : this list focus on Imail product. How about that? : : Alex : : : Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Brad, Concerning your manual update of F-Prot. A couple weeks ago there was a script posted to update the exe and the def files of f-prot. I have that and toyed with it a bit to also e-mail me the results of the script. Works great. I just schedule it for the wee hours of the morning and have an e-mail in my inbox on the results. works great!!! Was catching the badtrans.b before I read the declude list info on it... bob On Monday, December 3, 2001 1:02 PM, Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
This is really getting old, I'm one of the lurkers mentioned earlier, I very rarely send messages to the list since there are several people here who know so much more about Imail then I do. I just read everything so that I can try and learn it better since every time I've called Ipswitch for support I got no where. Once again you felt it was necessary to flame a company you obviously have it in for. I don't use any Declude products, so I have no stake in Declude, and I won't use Ipswitch's over-priced AV solution. I don't use Declude simply because I have a cheap boss who won't release any money for email virus scanning on the server side, BUT, if he did you can bet that it would be Declude, both for price and level of support. Not only do they fully support their own product, they also help out anyone with Imail problems that posts to the list, unlike Ipswitch, who owns the freaking list. Don't get me wrong, I like Imail, but Ipswitch's focus seems to be way wrong these days. Just look at the features they added for v7, calendaring and a contact list, neither of which is compatible with anything but itself? Or how about a spell checker that from what I've seen isn't very good, and you HAVE TO put a copy of it in each and every host's folders to make it work for those hosts? I think their time would have been better spent fixing problems instead of adding mostly useless features that don't work well. Your constant flaming of Declude will only do one thing, make them reluctant to post messages here that help A LOT of people, it won't stop anyone from buying their software, all the users here recommend it each and every time someone asks about AV software for their Imail box. Or is it your purpose to try and do just that? At least the guys from Delcude's messages are constructive and helpful, unlike ANY I've seen from you, yours have all been either flames or half ass'ed apologies when you where confronted with blatant errors you've posted. Funny how you just happened to start using the list right when they released their AV solution, and have been bashing the competition ever since. Things that make you go h. Mike - Original Message - From: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your mail server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can eat you for lunch if you get caught. If you buy Declude and a server license for the number of email users you have, you'll surpass the cost of Imail AV by miles. Declude doesn't tell you that part, do they? As a matter of fact, there is little mention of which virus scanner to use legally. That is why the IPSwitch solution makes more sense..I mean, you have to buy an AV subscription (according to the website) and that should cover you legally for ALL users on your system. Rick - Original Message - From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Obviously, you don't understand Declude and it's use of the F-Prot DOS Scanner. Also, you did not read the F-Prot license very well either. Yes, if you downloaded the free version and are using it in conjunction with Declude, then technically you are in violation because the free version of the DOS scanner is for private use only. Let me point you to the right place for commercial users. http://www.f-prot.com/f-prot/products/pricecomdos.html Steven -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Peacock Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your mail server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can eat you for lunch if you get caught. If you buy Declude and a server license for the number of email users you have, you'll surpass the cost of Imail AV by miles. Declude doesn't tell you that part, do they? As a matter of fact, there is little mention of which virus scanner to use legally. That is why the IPSwitch solution makes more sense..I mean, you have to buy an AV subscription (according to the website) and that should cover you legally for ALL users on your system. Rick - Original Message - From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
I bought Mcafee but it sux. We've been using Declude/McAfee for months now, it seems to be working fine. What sort of situations were occurring that cause you to dislike it? Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
So how far are you going to take this. Anyone in 10 - 15 - 20 - 30 miles. How far away does some one have to be before they are taken as honest and not put under your magnifying glass of scrutiny. I think those employed at Ipswitch have learned there lesson by now, so give it a break (everyone makes mistakes). - Original Message - From: Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Mr. Peacock, I think we are all big boys here and can be trusted to acquire the appropriate licenses for our software or suffer the consequences and do not need you telling us whether we are legal or not. I don't use F-Prot but a quick glance at their website indicates to me that they sell licenses by the computer it's installed on...not per email box, etc. Others here may have a more definitive answer. I don't think anyone else has mentioned it, but I find it interesting that your IP address seems to be geographically very close to Harry Sacks. In fact, it would appear almost literally next door. It seems located between 5 and 20 miles (depending on whether you use Arin's or NetSol's records) distant from the ISP that Harry Sacks/Ipswitch uses in Augusta, GA. Coincidence? Given your general attitude towards the subject which at times seems to contain PR type speech, your sudden appearance and this interesting coincidence I get a feeling that you have more at stake here than just a simple customer/consumer like most of us. -M - Original Message - From: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your mail server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can eat you for lunch if you get caught. If you buy Declude and a server license for the number of email users you have, you'll surpass the cost of Imail AV by miles. Declude doesn't tell you that part, do they? As a matter of fact, there is little mention of which virus scanner to use legally. That is why the IPSwitch solution makes more sense..I mean, you have to buy an AV subscription (according to the website) and that should cover you legally for ALL users on your system. Rick - Original Message - From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
F-ing lier... It is per computer with no specification on server or workstation. You make me sick you IPSwitch stooge. SITE LICENSES FOR COMMERCIAL USERS Commercial users, such as companies and government agencies, are required to register with Frisk Software and purchase a user license. The license price is based on the estimated number of computers owned and operated by the user. For those who wish to purchase F-Prot Antivirus for commercial use there is a minimum license fee of US$40.00 per year, which covers sites with 20 computers or less. -Josh - Original Message - From: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Just a note - you are using the F-Prot illegally by using it on your mail server. Check your license agreement. Frisk Software International can eat you for lunch if you get caught. If you buy Declude and a server license for the number of email users you have, you'll surpass the cost of Imail AV by miles. Declude doesn't tell you that part, do they? As a matter of fact, there is little mention of which virus scanner to use legally. That is why the IPSwitch solution makes more sense..I mean, you have to buy an AV subscription (according to the website) and that should cover you legally for ALL users on your system. Rick - Original Message - From: Brad Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude It's a money thing scott - I mean did you look at the price of it almost $7000 dollars good grief what a rip off. I've got a bout $650 invested in my Declude and it catches tons of viruses everyday. My thoughts are they did that just to make more money and Symantec gets to make money. I mean everybody knows the Symantec name. No offense scott but if it wasn't so damn expensive I might would look into it. The only thing I don't like about declude is finding a virus program to work with it, I bought Mcafee but it sux. I've had the best luck with F-Prot for DOS but I manually have to remember to go update it and install the update - kind of a pain in the *^ if you know what I mean. But Declude Antivirus makes me MONEY! I am the only ISP in the area that even scans their email for viruses and ppl that aren't my customer come in and have me fix their computer from a virus (note I also repair pc's) and I throw that punch line - If you had your Internet Service with me I probably would have been able to prevent it. Scott you make a great product keep up the good work. My 2 1/2 cents worth -Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude What sparked all this is that one of these two from Declude even emailed the CTO and got the information regarding IPSwitch's decision to use Symantec rather than Declude. Again, it's time for me to step in (perhaps whine a little?), as there is some misinformation here. Nobody from Computerized Horizons (the company behind Declude) contacted anyone at Ipswitch to find out why they used Symantec rather than Declude. Although we have had discussions with several people at Ipswitch, we have not not asked why they chose Symantec. I believe it was one of our customers that had asked the question. Imail is an excellent product... FYI, I do agree that IMail is an excellent product -- that's why our products only work with IMail. -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
-- Original Message -- From: Jason Langlois [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:13:30 -0700 And in any case. if Imail had a problem with it they'd have thrown those 'declude guys' off the imail forum years ago.. There are no problems with the 'declude guys' talking here. Nor with the discussion of their product. In fact, there have only been a couple problems on this list as long as I've been here (1995) First: Harry Sacks and Jimbo Trillium who were both dealt with. The other guys don't work here, though I do know them as I know quite a few other people who post here. Second: Todd. Todd no matter what you think of us, advertising a competing product on our forum is bad form; if the rest of the members weren't so angry about Harry and Jimbo, I believe that they would agree with me. Bob Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Second: Todd. Todd no matter what you think of us, advertising a competing product on our forum is bad form; if the rest of the members weren't so angry about Harry and Jimbo, I believe that they would agree with me. I do agree with you Bob! I also have a theory about Harry and Jimbo. Ipswitch use to allow techs to take part in the day to day discussions on this list. That was back in the days when we all had good things to say about your support department. Too bad management had to change their tune. If they would allow the crew back on the list, things COULD change for the better. And maybe your fellow employees would not be tempted to post incognito. As for me, I still have a valid support contract for 3 of your products. But the fact that we are still running Imail 6.06 should tell you how much faith I have in Ipswitch right now. Sheldon Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com Ten Forward Communications E-Commerce that makes sense! 360-457-9023 http://www.tenforward.com/webcam Nationwide Internet access, neighborhood ISP support! Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Todd no matter what you think of us, advertising a competing product on our forum is bad form; if the rest of the members weren't so angry about Harry and Jimbo, I believe that they would agree with me. Bob I have been a customer of IPSwitch, and have been using IMail since version 5. IPSwitch has not earned my business. The DNSBLs have been around for years. IPSwitch says IMail has anti-spam features. I wouldn't call relay for addresses very effective against Spam, just good to prevent getting hijacked by a Spammer. Declude built a Junk Mail add-on, and Len built a gateway to filter Spam, and still IMail did not add real DNSBL support. I couldn't figure that out. If I built an MTA like IMail, and I saw on the news, and heard from my customers about how big a problem Spam was, I would add it to my product. That's called listening to customers. Now I see IPSwitch hustle to get everyone to renew their upgrade subscription before IMail's price goes through the roof, only to be 6 months down the road with a still too buggy IMail 7 to even be released as a product in the first place. I'm a problem solver. I see several problems here, so I took the add-on PostfixGate gateway server, and the PostfixGate Anti-Spam database I developed, and I decided to add IMAP/POP3 support, and a scalable list server to PostfixGate's server. PostfixGate's Anti-Spam database is not an add-on to IMail, you're right, it's an add-on to Declude's Junk Mail, and Unix MTA's. It's not a competing product. PostfixGate's gateway server used in fighting Spam, with or without the PostfixGate Anti-Spam database, is an add-on just like IMGate would be, so why did IPSwitch refuse to list it as a 3rd party add-on? It's not a competing product. PostfixGate's server with IMAP/POP3 services, and a scalable list server would be considered both an add-on and a competing product. Take a look at how PostfixGate has integrated a total solution into a single server. Why couldn't IPSwitch do that with IMail? I'm not stopping IPSwitch from integrating anything, and I can't earn IPSwitch customer's business if IPSwitch is taking care of their customers. I should point out that I have been a regular contributor for a long time to this list, and not as active as Scott, Len, and Ron, but I've been busy trying to solve problems just the same, again problems caused by IPSwitch for me and many others. I was also planning to develop a management solution for IMail, but after I saw what IPSwitch was pulling I thought twice. We'll see how IPSwitch does over the next 6 months. My suggestion, take a magnifying glass to customer service, and pricing. Also, keep your employees off of your list unless they are here to give support like Daniel Donnelly provided so long ago. Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
As a small design firm that hosts its own clients, I bought an unlimited Imail 6.0x license for a variety of reasons: ease of setup/maintenance being one of them (and the existence of the HKSI add-in templates being another). It certainly wasn't the cheapest solution, but I've always been happy with it and have never needed formal tech support. The release of 7.0x, with its revised pricing and new tiers, seemed to indicate that Ipswitch wasn't interested in my class of customer. The stability of the release and its apparent lack of meaningful new features contributed to my decision not to upgrade. To say the pricing for the AV solution takes Ipswitch further in the big-guys-only direction is an understatement. Unfortunate. However, they have the right to make the business decisions they feel are right for them. Me too. I'm installing F-Prot right now to make sure it works right. Then I'm ordering Declude. The thought of spending some $6k on anti-virus s/w never even entered my mind. $1000 I'd consider strongly, but the current pricing model is ... well ... it defies polite description, actually. --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sheldon Koehler Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Second: Todd. Todd no matter what you think of us, advertising a competing product on our forum is bad form; if the rest of the members weren't so angry about Harry and Jimbo, I believe that they would agree with me. I do agree with you Bob! I also have a theory about Harry and Jimbo. Ipswitch use to allow techs to take part in the day to day discussions on this list. That was back in the days when we all had good things to say about your support department. Too bad management had to change their tune. If they would allow the crew back on the list, things COULD change for the better. And maybe your fellow employees would not be tempted to post incognito. As for me, I still have a valid support contract for 3 of your products. But the fact that we are still running Imail 6.06 should tell you how much faith I have in Ipswitch right now. Sheldon Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com Ten Forward Communications E-Commerce that makes sense! 360-457-9023 http://www.tenforward.com/webcam Nationwide Internet access, neighborhood ISP support! Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Reply to: Todd Lahman Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Monday 10:19:55 PM T see how IPSwitch does over the next 6 months. My suggestion, take a magnifying glass to customer service, and pricing. Also, keep T your employees off of your list unless they are here to give support like Daniel Donnelly provided so long ago. There should be a credit to Dusty somewhere in here, so I thought I'd just add this, even though he was not an employee. Those that know his contributions will know what I am talking about. g -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Reply to: David Setzer Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Friday 4:15:26 PM I'd say so... g -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Copy of Original Message(s): - D Hey, This sounds amazingly like one of Harry Sacks relatives. eh? :-) D Have great weekend everybody. D David Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Reply to: Rick Peacock Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Friday 3:12:38 PM Like I said, I begged for support in this forum for three years and Scott and Declude were the ONLY ones who came through. So you are right, but it won't necessarily be Ipswitch. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Copy of Original Message(s): - R tech support, not some naysayer flaming their product. Wanna flame? Go to R IRC. Want help? Post here. Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Roger, You seem to think that charging more for a product to a customer who is not-so-saavy seems unfair? Let's take a look at the marketplace as a whole. I am sure that everyone on this list uses a product with lots of third-party add-ons - WINDOWS! So you think that by charging the money Symantec charges, when saavy people use the free McAfee scanner, Symantec is out of line? Puh-lease! IPSwitch is just like any other company - striving to improve their product. So they didn't choose someone cheaper. If you're so smart in marketing, then tell me this - who would you partner with? Someone with worldwide name recognition, or someone that almost no one in the business world has ever heard of? Do you have any IDEA how many people buy NAV and even SUBSCRIPTIONS because of name recognition alone?! IPSwitch even told you that they SUPPORT 3RD PARTY SOLUTIONS! If you don't like the IPSwitch solution, you, as a saavy user, can opt not to buy the NAV module and use your other options instead. The reality is, if no one buys the more expensive modules, then maybe they look at a more cost-effective solution. I've been with Imail for years (since version 3.0). They started out as a small company with a fantastic product that was very modestly priced. With improvements in the product, prices have risen. So what?! The product out today(even WITH the AntiVirus module) is a hundred times better than the original because that's the way it's supposed to be! As the product evolves so does it's cost. Price is based on the VALUE of the product - not what one small group of people think it should cost. If you don't like the price then vote with your wallet. So what if it costs more? IPSwitch is not a charity - it's a BUSINESS. Businesses make money (oooh! What a concept! A web business that makes money? How dare they!).You want cheap? Use some of the FREEWARE mail servers and use this list for support, as it was intended - not as a way to take cheap shots at a company that doesn't do EXACTLY what YOU think it should. Rick - Original Message - From: Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob McGregor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Reply to: Bob McGregor Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Wednesday 12:53:53 PM Very well put. Even Mail Essentials is one-third the price with maybe 50-100 more features depending how you look at it and you can still use what ever command line scanner you want. But it will still not be as integrated and low in cost and efficient and unique to Imail as Declude. Taking advantage of 'not-so-savvy' customers to this degree is not a pretty picture of a company at all. BTW, I have received a private email from the CTO of Ipswitch that indicates they intend to continue to support apps like Declude and 3rd party development and not block them. I hope that is always the case. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply to: Don Weber Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Wednesday 12:08:00 PM B you musta missed the last 2 weeks of this list, this has been round and round a few B times, and lots of users feel the Not really. I just received the formal announcement of Imail AntiVirus this morning. - Copy of Original Message(s): - B Don Says: IPSwitch will most likely enjoy success making the big dollar sales with the big dollar and big name oriented consumers or those who don't take the time and get educated. B This is true and they will get sales but imagine you're new to B Imail and you purchase the Imail and AV stuff from them and then find B out about this list. B You subscribe (like we all did) and then you find out there's a B solution that is way less money AND the existing people (experts in B your eyes) all highly tout it AND you find out it's been B there longer! B Would you not wonder why they just bent you over for thousands of bucks?? B Major question is Why does Ipswitch not value it's existing customer B base or it's 3rd party folks??? B bob Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Reply to: Rick Peacock Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Friday 12:18:56 PM I've also been with Imail since version 3.x, so I have been here just as long. And I was asking for a trully integrated Imail antivirus solution for over three years, right in this forum. I got an opportunity to get SSL and a $1000 calendar and a few goodies when the single most important step Imail could have taken three years ago was add some kind of antivirus product. Three years, and the only one who helped me was Scott with Declude, not Ipswitch. We were planning on abandoning Imail until Scott came along. I wonder how many people kept Imail because of Scott? IMHO, Declude is much more elegant than setting up another separate server with more open ports using substantially more resources on the same machine) and 'double server processing' mail from one to the other. Beyond that, at least the way I do business, if I can make a product that works better without laying another whole product on top of mine at ten times the cost, well, I just think that's the way business should be done. I have always thought that if I can provide a more competitive product that is easier to run and is far more cost effetive for my customers, and more secure, that's the easy choice I should make from a marketing perspective. That's in the best interest of my customers. If I were a customer who understood all the benefits of each avenue or choice and you were asking me to purchase a product with half the features at ten times the price I'd have to question whether you were acting on my behalf. I'd also have to question if your objective was really 'to improve your product'. Right now I'd have to say no. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Copy of Original Message(s): - R Roger, R You seem to think that charging more for a product to a customer who is R not-so-saavy seems unfair? Let's take a look at the marketplace as a R whole. I am sure that everyone on this list uses a product with lots of R third-party add-ons - WINDOWS! So you think that by charging the money R Symantec charges, when saavy people use the free McAfee scanner, Symantec R is out of line? Puh-lease! IPSwitch is just like any other company - R striving to improve their product. R So they didn't choose someone cheaper. If you're so smart in marketing, then R tell me this - who would you partner with? Someone with worldwide name R recognition, or someone that almost no one in the business world has ever R heard of? Do you have any IDEA how many people buy NAV and even R SUBSCRIPTIONS because of name recognition alone?! R IPSwitch even told you that they SUPPORT 3RD PARTY SOLUTIONS! If you don't R like the IPSwitch solution, you, as a saavy user, can opt not to buy the R NAV module and use your other options instead. The reality is, if no one R buys the more expensive modules, then maybe they look at a more R cost-effective solution. R I've been with Imail for years (since version 3.0). They started out as a R small company with a fantastic product that was very modestly priced. With R improvements in the product, prices have risen. So what?! The product out R today(even WITH the AntiVirus module) is a hundred times better than the R original because that's the way it's supposed to be! As the product evolves R so does it's cost. Price is based on the VALUE of the product - not what R one small group of people think it should cost. If you don't like the R price then vote with your wallet. So what if it costs more? IPSwitch is not R a charity - it's a BUSINESS. Businesses make money (oooh! What a concept! A R web business that makes money? How dare they!).You want cheap? Use some of R the FREEWARE mail servers and use this list for support, as it was R intended - not as a way to take cheap shots at a company that doesn't do R EXACTLY what YOU think it should. R Rick R - Original Message - R From: Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] R To: Bob McGregor [EMAIL PROTECTED] R Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] R Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:15 PM R Subject: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Reply to: Bob McGregor Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Wednesday R 12:53:53 PM Very well put. Even Mail Essentials is one-third the price with maybe 50-100 more features depending how you look at it and you can still use what ever command line scanner you want. But it will still not be as integrated and low in cost and efficient and unique to Imail as Declude. Taking advantage of 'not-so-savvy' customers to this degree is not a pretty picture of a company at all. BTW, I have received a private email from the CTO of Ipswitch that indicates they intend to continue to support apps like Declude and 3rd party development and not block them. I hope that is always the case. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply to: Don Weber Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Wednesday R
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Okay, well tell ya whatyou spend 6 months paying lots of talented developers good salaries to improve a product and sell it for $500 and you'll be gone in less than a year. But hey, you aren't doing this to make money, right? You whine about price all the time, as if that were the only factor. And to top it all off, they finally give you what you ask for, and you do nothing but complain about the price. Tell me something. Is it work $7,850 to keep your 1500 employees virus free? Think of the time and money saved if you can keep viruses off of all the desktops in an organization without buying 1500 copies of an anti-virus program. The math works. As for Scott helping with Declude, I am sure he is quite competent. He seems to be able to make you happy where IPSwitch cannot. If you have that solution already, where is all this hostility coming from? Surely you cannot expect IPSwitch to just eat the cost of developing this most important module that people like yourself have been asking for? And you should make up your mind. You posted earlier: Now after I begged for this solution for years, and Imail just sits there on their hands, they now introduce a new intergrated solution today charging thousands just like the big antivirus companies, instead of partnering with Declude for more rational ethical solutions, with more features, at the fraction of the costs. and now you're changing that with Beyond that, at least the way I do business, if I can make a product that works better without laying another whole product on top of mine at ten times the cost, well, I just think that's the way business should be done. So they should've partnered with Declude, is that what this is all about? You know, Yahoo!, one of the largest Internet portals out there, doesn't use Declude to scan their email. Why don't you flame them? I am sure the product will deliver just what it promises. IPSwitch has never released software that wasn't useful and stable. WS_FTP was around before the public even knew what the Internet was! It's one thing to suggest something useful. It's another to flame a company because they didn't do it YOUR way. Seems to me you already have a solution using IMGate and Declude. So use it and quit whining because your organization can't afford a $7850 solution that works. Tech support isn't a volunteer vocation. In an idea world, everything would be free. But this is the real world, and people don't work for free..especially talented people. Give IPSwitch a break. They have to pay the bills just like eveyone else, and better products mean higher prices. - Original Message - From: Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Reply to: Rick Peacock Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Friday 12:18:56 PM I've also been with Imail since version 3.x, so I have been here just as long. And I was asking for a trully integrated Imail antivirus solution for over three years, right in this forum. I got an opportunity to get SSL and a $1000 calendar and a few goodies when the single most important step Imail could have taken three years ago was add some kind of antivirus product. Three years, and the only one who helped me was Scott with Declude, not Ipswitch. We were planning on abandoning Imail until Scott came along. I wonder how many people kept Imail because of Scott? IMHO, Declude is much more elegant than setting up another separate server with more open ports using substantially more resources on the same machine) and 'double server processing' mail from one to the other. Beyond that, at least the way I do business, if I can make a product that works better without laying another whole product on top of mine at ten times the cost, well, I just think that's the way business should be done. I have always thought that if I can provide a more competitive product that is easier to run and is far more cost effetive for my customers, and more secure, that's the easy choice I should make from a marketing perspective. That's in the best interest of my customers. If I were a customer who understood all the benefits of each avenue or choice and you were asking me to purchase a product with half the features at ten times the price I'd have to question whether you were acting on my behalf. I'd also have to question if your objective was really 'to improve your product'. Right now I'd have to say no. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Copy of Original Message(s): - R Roger, R You seem to think that charging more for a product to a customer who is R not-so-saavy seems unfair? Let's take a look at the marketplace as a R whole. I am sure that everyone on this list uses a product with lots of R third-party add-ons - WINDOWS! So you think that by charging the money R Symantec charges, when saavy people use the free
Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Just to add to this. We are using Imail 7.04 AV and it works Great! We have it running on 4 different servers and have for about a month. No problems to speak of. We are catching about 1000 viruses a day. The best thing is it keeps in line with the install it and forget it ability that you already have with IMail. There is no babysitting you can schedule the AV updates automatically, a truly well integrated product. Mike Barber Technical Support Mail Server Administrator Georgia Business Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] In Augusta: (706) 823-2115 Toll Free : (800) 201-6349 - Original Message - From: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Roger, You seem to think that charging more for a product to a customer who is not-so-saavy seems unfair? Let's take a look at the marketplace as a whole. I am sure that everyone on this list uses a product with lots of third-party add-ons - WINDOWS! So you think that by charging the money Symantec charges, when saavy people use the free McAfee scanner, Symantec is out of line? Puh-lease! IPSwitch is just like any other company - striving to improve their product. So they didn't choose someone cheaper. If you're so smart in marketing, then tell me this - who would you partner with? Someone with worldwide name recognition, or someone that almost no one in the business world has ever heard of? Do you have any IDEA how many people buy NAV and even SUBSCRIPTIONS because of name recognition alone?! IPSwitch even told you that they SUPPORT 3RD PARTY SOLUTIONS! If you don't like the IPSwitch solution, you, as a saavy user, can opt not to buy the NAV module and use your other options instead. The reality is, if no one buys the more expensive modules, then maybe they look at a more cost-effective solution. I've been with Imail for years (since version 3.0). They started out as a small company with a fantastic product that was very modestly priced. With improvements in the product, prices have risen. So what?! The product out today(even WITH the AntiVirus module) is a hundred times better than the original because that's the way it's supposed to be! As the product evolves so does it's cost. Price is based on the VALUE of the product - not what one small group of people think it should cost. If you don't like the price then vote with your wallet. So what if it costs more? IPSwitch is not a charity - it's a BUSINESS. Businesses make money (oooh! What a concept! A web business that makes money? How dare they!).You want cheap? Use some of the FREEWARE mail servers and use this list for support, as it was intended - not as a way to take cheap shots at a company that doesn't do EXACTLY what YOU think it should. Rick - Original Message - From: Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob McGregor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Reply to: Bob McGregor Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Wednesday 12:53:53 PM Very well put. Even Mail Essentials is one-third the price with maybe 50-100 more features depending how you look at it and you can still use what ever command line scanner you want. But it will still not be as integrated and low in cost and efficient and unique to Imail as Declude. Taking advantage of 'not-so-savvy' customers to this degree is not a pretty picture of a company at all. BTW, I have received a private email from the CTO of Ipswitch that indicates they intend to continue to support apps like Declude and 3rd party development and not block them. I hope that is always the case. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply to: Don Weber Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Wednesday 12:08:00 PM B you musta missed the last 2 weeks of this list, this has been round and round a few B times, and lots of users feel the Not really. I just received the formal announcement of Imail AntiVirus this morning. - Copy of Original Message(s): - B Don Says: IPSwitch will most likely enjoy success making the big dollar sales with the big dollar and big name oriented consumers or those who don't take the time and get educated. B This is true and they will get sales but imagine you're new to B Imail and you purchase the Imail and AV stuff from them and then find B out about this list. B You subscribe (like we all did) and then you find out there's a B solution that is way less money AND the existing people (experts in B your eyes) all highly tout it AND you find out it's been B there longer! B Would you not wonder why they just bent you over for thousands of bucks?? B Major question is Why does Ipswitch not value it's existing customer B
Re: HEUR10:Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Yeah... it looks like another harry sack. Jim - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: Re: HEUR10:Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Just to add to this. We are using Imail 7.04 AV and it works Great! We have it running on 4 different servers and have for about a month. No problems to speak of. Can I ask how you have been running it for over a month, when it was only released 3 days ago? If you have been running it for over a month, can I ask how you heard about it? We didn't find out about it until less than 3 weeks ago. Did you buy it, or was it a free copy? I'm kind of curious, because your Class B IP address space has been the subject of some interesting discussions here lately. -Scott Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: HEUR10:Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
You know... I couldn't have been that funny if I tried... I didn't mean it that way, but if the shoe fits! Jim - Original Message - From: Jim Jones, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: Re: HEUR10:Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Yeah... it looks like another harry sack. Jim - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: Re: HEUR10:Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Just to add to this. We are using Imail 7.04 AV and it works Great! We have it running on 4 different servers and have for about a month. No problems to speak of. Can I ask how you have been running it for over a month, when it was only released 3 days ago? If you have been running it for over a month, can I ask how you heard about it? We didn't find out about it until less than 3 weeks ago. Did you buy it, or was it a free copy? I'm kind of curious, because your Class B IP address space has been the subject of some interesting discussions here lately. -Scott Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Also, since the product hasn't even been released yet, how can you sit and pick apart the functionality of a product before it is released? Seems to me that command line AV is resource intensive and that a service based AV product would be much more efficient. Wouldn't all you fellow saavy users agree? And what do you mean have to run it on another server? I know you can do it that way so that multiple servers can have their email's scanned (which is really cool by the way) but I think you can also run it on the same server as Imail. All this just makes me wonder if you have something to gain with Declude, or are just really cheap? You like cheap? I got one word for you - LINUX. Last time I checked, they are way behind in the market share. Why? PEOPLE PAY FOR GOOD PRODUCTS. I believe in constructive criticism, not creating problems in a forum that is supposed to be for tech support. Seems to me you aren't being creative - just destructive, by creating dissent in a group of IMAIL users that need tech support, not some naysayer flaming their product. Wanna flame? Go to IRC. Want help? Post here. - Original Message - From: Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Reply to: Rick Peacock Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Friday 12:18:56 PM I've also been with Imail since version 3.x, so I have been here just as long. And I was asking for a trully integrated Imail antivirus solution for over three years, right in this forum. I got an opportunity to get SSL and a $1000 calendar and a few goodies when the single most important step Imail could have taken three years ago was add some kind of antivirus product. Three years, and the only one who helped me was Scott with Declude, not Ipswitch. We were planning on abandoning Imail until Scott came along. I wonder how many people kept Imail because of Scott? IMHO, Declude is much more elegant than setting up another separate server with more open ports using substantially more resources on the same machine) and 'double server processing' mail from one to the other. Beyond that, at least the way I do business, if I can make a product that works better without laying another whole product on top of mine at ten times the cost, well, I just think that's the way business should be done. I have always thought that if I can provide a more competitive product that is easier to run and is far more cost effetive for my customers, and more secure, that's the easy choice I should make from a marketing perspective. That's in the best interest of my customers. If I were a customer who understood all the benefits of each avenue or choice and you were asking me to purchase a product with half the features at ten times the price I'd have to question whether you were acting on my behalf. I'd also have to question if your objective was really 'to improve your product'. Right now I'd have to say no. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Copy of Original Message(s): - R Roger, R You seem to think that charging more for a product to a customer who is R not-so-saavy seems unfair? Let's take a look at the marketplace as a R whole. I am sure that everyone on this list uses a product with lots of R third-party add-ons - WINDOWS! So you think that by charging the money R Symantec charges, when saavy people use the free McAfee scanner, Symantec R is out of line? Puh-lease! IPSwitch is just like any other company - R striving to improve their product. R So they didn't choose someone cheaper. If you're so smart in marketing, then R tell me this - who would you partner with? Someone with worldwide name R recognition, or someone that almost no one in the business world has ever R heard of? Do you have any IDEA how many people buy NAV and even R SUBSCRIPTIONS because of name recognition alone?! R IPSwitch even told you that they SUPPORT 3RD PARTY SOLUTIONS! If you don't R like the IPSwitch solution, you, as a saavy user, can opt not to buy the R NAV module and use your other options instead. The reality is, if no one R buys the more expensive modules, then maybe they look at a more R cost-effective solution. R I've been with Imail for years (since version 3.0). They started out as a R small company with a fantastic product that was very modestly priced. With R improvements in the product, prices have risen. So what?! The product out R today(even WITH the AntiVirus module) is a hundred times better than the R original because that's the way it's supposed to be! As the product evolves R so does it's cost. Price is based on the VALUE of the product - not what R one small group of people think it should cost. If you don't like the R price then vote with your wallet. So what if it costs more? IPSwitch is not R a charity - it's a BUSINESS. Businesses make money
Re[6]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Hi, now there's a flame. declude works, I've been in the ISP biz for 7 years. until today that is ;-) what better place for saying what you think about a product but in the product's listserv? it's friday and I'm chillinhow bout you? Thanks, Andy Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thumpernet.com 315-282-0020 Friday, November 30, 2001, 4:12:38 PM, you wrote: RP Also, since the product hasn't even been released yet, how can you sit and RP pick apart the functionality of a product before it is released? RP Seems to me that command line AV is resource intensive and that a service RP based AV product would be much more efficient. Wouldn't all you fellow RP saavy users agree? RP And what do you mean have to run it on another server? I know you can do it RP that way so that multiple servers can have their email's scanned (which is RP really cool by the way) but I think you can also run it on the same server RP as Imail. RP All this just makes me wonder if you have something to gain with Declude, or RP are just really cheap? You like cheap? I got one word for you - LINUX. Last RP time I checked, they are way behind in the market share. Why? PEOPLE PAY FOR RP GOOD PRODUCTS. RP I believe in constructive criticism, not creating problems in a forum that RP is supposed to be for tech support. Seems to me you aren't being creative - RP just destructive, by creating dissent in a group of IMAIL users that need RP tech support, not some naysayer flaming their product. Wanna flame? Go to RP IRC. Want help? Post here. RP - Original Message - RP From: Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] RP To: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] RP Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:55 PM RP Subject: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Reply to: Rick Peacock Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Friday 12:18:56 RP PM I've also been with Imail since version 3.x, so I have been here just as long. And I was asking for a trully integrated Imail antivirus solution for over three years, right in this forum. I got an opportunity to get SSL and a $1000 calendar and a few goodies when the single most important step Imail could have taken three years ago was add some kind of antivirus product. Three years, and the only one who helped me was Scott with Declude, not Ipswitch. We were planning on abandoning Imail until Scott came along. I wonder how many people kept Imail because of Scott? IMHO, Declude is much more elegant than setting up another separate server with more open ports using substantially more resources on the same machine) and 'double server processing' mail from one to the other. Beyond that, at least the way I do business, if I can make a product that works better without laying another whole product on top of mine at ten times the cost, well, I just think that's the way business should be done. I have always thought that if I can provide a more competitive product that is easier to run and is far more cost effetive for my customers, and more secure, that's the easy choice I should make from a marketing perspective. That's in the best interest of my customers. If I were a customer who understood all the benefits of each avenue or choice and you were asking me to purchase a product with half the features at ten times the price I'd have to question whether you were acting on my behalf. I'd also have to question if your objective was really 'to improve your product'. Right now I'd have to say no. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Copy of Original Message(s): - R Roger, R You seem to think that charging more for a product to a customer who is R not-so-saavy seems unfair? Let's take a look at the marketplace as a R whole. I am sure that everyone on this list uses a product with lots of R third-party add-ons - WINDOWS! So you think that by charging the money R Symantec charges, when saavy people use the free McAfee scanner, RP Symantec R is out of line? Puh-lease! IPSwitch is just like any other company - R striving to improve their product. R So they didn't choose someone cheaper. If you're so smart in marketing, RP then R tell me this - who would you partner with? Someone with worldwide name R recognition, or someone that almost no one in the business world has RP ever R heard of? Do you have any IDEA how many people buy NAV and even R SUBSCRIPTIONS because of name recognition alone?! R IPSwitch even told you that they SUPPORT 3RD PARTY SOLUTIONS! If you RP don't R like the IPSwitch solution, you, as a saavy user, can opt not to buy RP the R NAV module and use your other options instead. The reality is, if no RP one R buys the more expensive modules, then maybe they look at a more R cost-effective solution. R I've been with Imail for years (since version 3.0). They started out as RP a R small company with a fantastic product that was very modestly priced. RP With R improvements in the product, prices have
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Hey, This sounds amazingly like one of Harry Sacks relatives. eh? :-) Have great weekend everybody. David - Original Message - From: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Okay, well tell ya whatyou spend 6 months paying lots of talented developers good salaries to improve a product and sell it for $500 and you'll be gone in less than a year. But hey, you aren't doing this to make money, right? You whine about price all the time, as if that were the only factor. And to top it all off, they finally give you what you ask for, and you do nothing but complain about the price. Tell me something. Is it work $7,850 to keep your 1500 employees virus free? Think of the time and money saved if you can keep viruses off of all the desktops in an organization without buying 1500 copies of an anti-virus program. The math works. As for Scott helping with Declude, I am sure he is quite competent. He seems to be able to make you happy where IPSwitch cannot. If you have that solution already, where is all this hostility coming from? Surely you cannot expect IPSwitch to just eat the cost of developing this most important module that people like yourself have been asking for? And you should make up your mind. You posted earlier: Now after I begged for this solution for years, and Imail just sits there on their hands, they now introduce a new intergrated solution today charging thousands just like the big antivirus companies, instead of partnering with Declude for more rational ethical solutions, with more features, at the fraction of the costs. and now you're changing that with Beyond that, at least the way I do business, if I can make a product that works better without laying another whole product on top of mine at ten times the cost, well, I just think that's the way business should be done. So they should've partnered with Declude, is that what this is all about? You know, Yahoo!, one of the largest Internet portals out there, doesn't use Declude to scan their email. Why don't you flame them? I am sure the product will deliver just what it promises. IPSwitch has never released software that wasn't useful and stable. WS_FTP was around before the public even knew what the Internet was! It's one thing to suggest something useful. It's another to flame a company because they didn't do it YOUR way. Seems to me you already have a solution using IMGate and Declude. So use it and quit whining because your organization can't afford a $7850 solution that works. Tech support isn't a volunteer vocation. In an idea world, everything would be free. But this is the real world, and people don't work for free..especially talented people. Give IPSwitch a break. They have to pay the bills just like eveyone else, and better products mean higher prices. - Original Message - From: Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rick Peacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Reply to: Rick Peacock Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Friday 12:18:56 PM I've also been with Imail since version 3.x, so I have been here just as long. And I was asking for a trully integrated Imail antivirus solution for over three years, right in this forum. I got an opportunity to get SSL and a $1000 calendar and a few goodies when the single most important step Imail could have taken three years ago was add some kind of antivirus product. Three years, and the only one who helped me was Scott with Declude, not Ipswitch. We were planning on abandoning Imail until Scott came along. I wonder how many people kept Imail because of Scott? IMHO, Declude is much more elegant than setting up another separate server with more open ports using substantially more resources on the same machine) and 'double server processing' mail from one to the other. Beyond that, at least the way I do business, if I can make a product that works better without laying another whole product on top of mine at ten times the cost, well, I just think that's the way business should be done. I have always thought that if I can provide a more competitive product that is easier to run and is far more cost effetive for my customers, and more secure, that's the easy choice I should make from a marketing perspective. That's in the best interest of my customers. If I were a customer who understood all the benefits of each avenue or choice and you were asking me to purchase a product with half the features at ten times the price I'd have to question whether you were acting on my behalf. I'd also have to question if your objective was really 'to improve your product'. Right now I'd have to say no. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Copy
Re: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Seems to me that command line AV is resource intensive and that a service based AV product would be much more efficient. Wouldn't all you fellow saavy users agree? Just a comment here (I'll try to refrain from saying anything that isn't constructive): Command line AV scanning is quite resource intensive, but with todays fast CPUs, it's possible to scan over 100,000 E-mails per day on a single server without a performance issue (on a decent server; a slower one could handle that load but might be slower than usual). A service based AV product can offer better performance, if in an architecture that is designed for performance (the internal TCP/IP traffic of IMail AntiVirus will add extra overhead) . From the preliminary information we have, it looks like IMail AntiVirus and Declude should be able to handle similar loads. This will of course depend on a number of factors (such as the specific scanner used, what options are used with it, hard drive access, etc.). Declude Virus Pro also now offers a pre-scanning feature that also helps with the performance and let you scan more E-mail on a single server, so that it won't have to start the virus scanner in up to about 80% of the cases where it would normally be needed (that doesn't mean a 5x performance increase though; perhaps 2-3x). -Scott --- Declude: Anti-virus, Anti-spam and Anti-hijacking solutions for IMail. http://www.declude.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: HEUR10:Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
All of you believe what you want but I am not affiliated with Ipswitch. Yes I come from the same Class B, what of it. The same could be said for 16,451,580 other people. And since all of you seen so against IMail, what are you doing on this IMail list? Is it so hard to believe that someone would be happy to use IMail AV? I figured that I would do anyone the favor of sharing my experience that might be interested in AV. And the reason that we had the software before it was released, an obvious one. We beta test IMail. We bought it when it was released. So it's up to you weather you believe me. - Original Message - From: Jim Jones, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: HEUR10:Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Yeah... it looks like another harry sack. Jim - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: Re: HEUR10:Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude Just to add to this. We are using Imail 7.04 AV and it works Great! We have it running on 4 different servers and have for about a month. No problems to speak of. Can I ask how you have been running it for over a month, when it was only released 3 days ago? If you have been running it for over a month, can I ask how you heard about it? We didn't find out about it until less than 3 weeks ago. Did you buy it, or was it a free copy? I'm kind of curious, because your Class B IP address space has been the subject of some interesting discussions here lately. -Scott Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: HEUR10:Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
All of you believe what you want but I am not affiliated with Ipswitch. Yes I come from the same Class B, what of it. The same could be said for 16,451,580 other people. I think there are a lot of people on this list who are nervous, myself included. I know that I have invested a lot of time and money on Imail. The issue for me is will Imail be viable for my business next year, and the year after, and 5 years from now. Imail has been a very comfortable fit for my business. The initial purchase price fit my budget, and together with Declude and KillerWebMail templates, I have been able to provide my clients with a dependable, feature-laden solution. But I am nervous that I am about to be left in the dust. There appears to be a trend towards moving the pricing towards enterprise class. The first indication of this was the method used to upgrade to 7. The second indication is the extremely high pricing for their virus solution. If version 8 comes out as a $4,000 upgrade, or as a $2,000 a year subscription model, it's game over. My business will have to look towards a Linux solution. The other thing that makes me nervous is an apparent trend towards treating current customers poorly. Increasing the pricing is part of that, but I'd be the first to say that with the exception of the virus add on, the upgrade pricing itself has been bearable for my company. I only hope it stays that way. But besides the pricing, I feel that changes in version 7 were done exclusively to draw new customers, not to satisfy current ones. Maybe I am wrong, but were there really a lot of customers demanding a calandar? On the other hand, it is one more thing to put on a checklist of features for the marketing guys. Finally, I am offended when a company employee writes about their product without identifying themselves as such. It is to the point where I am gun shy; if someone comes out strongly supporting Ipswitch on anything, I immediately wonder if they are an Ipswitch employee. My bottom line is this: if Ipswitch wants to make this an enterprise class application (in other words too damn expensive), that is fine. I'll move to something else, along with 2/3 of the current customers. 3 years from now Imail will be no more. But I really hope that is not the case. I would love to hear someone from Ipswitch say we understand our niche as a reasonably priced mail server, and are committed to keeping upgrade and/or service agreement pricing increases to the rate of inflation. I understand if they want to add features to draw more customers, but I don't want to pay a premium for that. If they are features I can use, that should be a bonus to me for paying the service agreement. But new features shouldn't cause the service agreement to rise at a rapid rate. I really hope that there is no reason at all for me to be nervous, and that I'll be an Ipswitch customer for many years to come. We'll see. Paul Navarre Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: HEUR10:Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
All of you believe what you want but I am
not affiliated with Ipswitch. Stated another way:
Ipswitch is a customer of yours, and pays your company every
month. There, it's out in the open, let's not dwell on it.
And since all of you seen so against IMail, what are you doing on
this IMail list? Let's not worry too much about
that. I think most people here aren't against IMail (although
there are a few). I think that a lot of people feel that IMail
made an error in judgement, or they may think that Ipswitch is going
after a different market now, and they feel slighted.
Sorry, a misinterpretation on my
part.
This is a good time to focus on the positive, rather than the negative. So
let's not worry about the few people who are truly against IMail; let's
ignore them if they post here. Is it so hard to
believe that someone would be happy to use IMail AV? No.
I personally believe that most people who use IMail AV will be happy to
use it. I know from experience how happy people are when they get virus
protection. Many are amazed at how many viruses had been going
through their server. It was just a bad coincidence
that the first person posting here that they had used this new program
came from the same IP range as someone who did something pretty stupid
on here ("harry sacks"). We do now know that you are not an
Ipswitch employee, and appreciate that you aren't trying to hide your
identity.
Not much is achieved with
anonimity.
RE: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
I got hit with the e-mail too this morning from IPSwitch. It made you feel kinda weird reading it if you are a long term IMail licensor (we have been since v4.0) and subscribe and monitor this list serv. I don't post here much but am deeply grateful of this list, Len, Scott, et al. I know where you are coming from and agree with what you are saying and would have certainly hooked up with Len and Scott and others if I were the one steering the ship at IPSwitch. It doesn't seem to make good sense this approach, but I try and understand their decision making below. I could be totally off base here, however there is this huge market out there for these e-mail system products with Sub-sections (or purchaser profiles if you will). There are those who like to throw big dollars and big names at solutions and those who are very cost conscious. There are those that are educated and those who are not so educated for whatever reasons. There are crossovers between the subsections of the marketplace. IPSwitch will most likely enjoy success making the big dollar sales with the big dollar and big name oriented consumers or those who don't take the time and get educated. Plus they are putting their name and long standing company reputation and resources behind it to justify. (I am with you and don't necessarily agree with IPSwitch's approach, and would have worked with Declude myself. What a great slam dunk and fairly priced solution for us the consumer.) Declude and IMGate I believe will continue on successfully too and most likely with the other profiled sub-sections of the marketplace who are more educated and cost-conscious. The timing for me is almost uncanny because we just made a decision to go with Len and Scotts products as soon as we are able to get it scheduled and arranged. A good thing by IPSwitch is that they provides links to this list serv, to Declude and IMGate via their Third Party Add-on information Web page. I would have never found them otherwise I think. I also would have certainly moved to other E-Mail service products without them too. These guys like Declude, IMGate, HumanKind, all together make up for the shortcomings of IMail that we require and most importantly these days at prices our company considers fair. Respectfully, Don Schreiner www.compbiz.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Roger Heath Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude As someone who has used Imail for many years and begged to have an integrated antivirus solution for several years in the Imail forum, we have been very grateful to Scott and Declude for such wonderful add-on products that have achieved this for us. Len too came up with a popular method is due credit much as well. I wish to personally thank both for their substantial help over the years here with Imail. Now after I begged for this solution for years, and Imail just sits there on their hands, they now introduce a new intergrated solution today charging thousands just like the big antivirus companies, instead of partnering with Declude for more rational ethical solutions, with more features, at the fraction of the costs. http://www.ipswitch.com/Products/IMail_Server/antivirus.html I don't know who John Korsak, Product Marketing Manager for IMail Server is, but his announcement this morning of this limited featured product for substantially greater cost is rediculous. I don't know about the rest of the long time Imail users, like me, feel, but this is about as offensive as it gets. As far as I am concerned we were going to dump Imail until Scott made Declude. I am sure I am not alone in this consideration. I've been in professional marketing for some 25 years and I've never witnessed anything quite like this. Seeing the absurdity of this, I would not blame Scott or Len for stopping any and all Imail add-on development. We were going to upgrade to Imail 7.x but have now decided not to do this. We may well begin searching for a solution where we can deal with people who don't pull these rediculous marketing ploys and stave off valuable add-on development. Does any one here really want to spend $7,850 for a product that has half the features of Declude at $795? Who's kidding who? It seems very obvious Ipswitch wants to get some 'big hits' on naive buyers rather than simply work with great add-on people like Scott and Len who have been of invaluable help to Ipswitch, the users of Imail, and its community while Ipswitch simply sat silently on their laurals for years putting out features that had no comparison what-so-ever to the importance of anti-virus in email. I was just the personal guest of senior editors at Ziff Davis Media in NYC last week discussing the related subjects of desktop and email security. Perhaps I should
Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Don Says: IPSwitch will most likely enjoy success making the big dollar sales with the big dollar and big name oriented consumers or those who don't take the time and get educated. This is true and they will get sales but imagine you're new to Imail and you purchase the Imail and AV stuff from them and then find out about this list. You subscribe (like we all did) and then you find out there's a solution that is way less money AND the existing people (experts in your eyes) all highly tout it AND you find out it's been there longer! Would you not wonder why they just bent you over for thousands of bucks?? Major question is Why does Ipswitch not value it's existing customer base or it's 3rd party folks??? bob Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
What AV are you using with Declude? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Kratka Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude I received the Ipswitch message this morning also, which prompted me to make a final decision and go to the Deculde page to order Scott's software. I have been using the Junk Mail for a few months now and it also works great. Since I installed the Declude Virus this morning it has already caught a good amount of viruses. I don't know how simple, effective and how much overhead the Ipswitch version will be but I highly recommend Declude. BTW, this list has been invaluable to me. I don't post alot but thank you to Scott, Len and everyone else out there. Just my 2 cents worth. Jeff Kratka ** TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 583 N. Main St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel/fax: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
RE: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
you musta missed the last 2 weeks of this list, this has been round and round a few times, and lots of users feel the same as you. at this point as long as ipswitch doesn't make it impossible for declude to work with imail things should be ok. If ipswitch suddenly does something that makes it harder or impossible for declude to work with them, then we'll have problems, currently, I know Declude works and have a PO in my hand about to fax to Scott for the purchase of their product. in the last month it has stopped all of the virus' including the recent badtrans, kindly notifying me of the attempts. Thanks Scott and everyone at declude. my $0.02 Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Heath Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 6:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude As someone who has used Imail for many years and begged to have an integrated antivirus solution for several years in the Imail forum, we have been very grateful to Scott and Declude for such wonderful add-on products that have achieved this for us. Len too came up with a popular method is due credit much as well. I wish to personally thank both for their substantial help over the years here with Imail. Now after I begged for this solution for years, and Imail just sits there on their hands, they now introduce a new intergrated solution today charging thousands just like the big antivirus companies, instead of partnering with Declude for more rational ethical solutions, with more features, at the fraction of the costs. http://www.ipswitch.com/Products/IMail_Server/antivirus.html I don't know who John Korsak, Product Marketing Manager for IMail Server is, but his announcement this morning of this limited featured product for substantially greater cost is rediculous. I don't know about the rest of the long time Imail users, like me, feel, but this is about as offensive as it gets. As far as I am concerned we were going to dump Imail until Scott made Declude. I am sure I am not alone in this consideration. I've been in professional marketing for some 25 years and I've never witnessed anything quite like this. Seeing the absurdity of this, I would not blame Scott or Len for stopping any and all Imail add-on development. We were going to upgrade to Imail 7.x but have now decided not to do this. We may well begin searching for a solution where we can deal with people who don't pull these rediculous marketing ploys and stave off valuable add-on development. Does any one here really want to spend $7,850 for a product that has half the features of Declude at $795? Who's kidding who? It seems very obvious Ipswitch wants to get some 'big hits' on naive buyers rather than simply work with great add-on people like Scott and Len who have been of invaluable help to Ipswitch, the users of Imail, and its community while Ipswitch simply sat silently on their laurals for years putting out features that had no comparison what-so-ever to the importance of anti-virus in email. I was just the personal guest of senior editors at Ziff Davis Media in NYC last week discussing the related subjects of desktop and email security. Perhaps I should recommend an article on the 'great anti-virus rip-off' where companies like Declude and Frisk should be given far more credit for their honest and rational solutions? -- Roger Heath advanced internet desktop: www.activatordesk.com antivirus antispam email : www.activatormail.com master internet index: www.infogrid.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
[IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
As someone who has used Imail for many years and begged to have an integrated antivirus solution for several years in the Imail forum, we have been very grateful to Scott and Declude for such wonderful add-on products that have achieved this for us. Len too came up with a popular method is due credit much as well. I wish to personally thank both for their substantial help over the years here with Imail. Now after I begged for this solution for years, and Imail just sits there on their hands, they now introduce a new intergrated solution today charging thousands just like the big antivirus companies, instead of partnering with Declude for more rational ethical solutions, with more features, at the fraction of the costs. http://www.ipswitch.com/Products/IMail_Server/antivirus.html I don't know who John Korsak, Product Marketing Manager for IMail Server is, but his announcement this morning of this limited featured product for substantially greater cost is rediculous. I don't know about the rest of the long time Imail users, like me, feel, but this is about as offensive as it gets. As far as I am concerned we were going to dump Imail until Scott made Declude. I am sure I am not alone in this consideration. I've been in professional marketing for some 25 years and I've never witnessed anything quite like this. Seeing the absurdity of this, I would not blame Scott or Len for stopping any and all Imail add-on development. We were going to upgrade to Imail 7.x but have now decided not to do this. We may well begin searching for a solution where we can deal with people who don't pull these rediculous marketing ploys and stave off valuable add-on development. Does any one here really want to spend $7,850 for a product that has half the features of Declude at $795? Who's kidding who? It seems very obvious Ipswitch wants to get some 'big hits' on naive buyers rather than simply work with great add-on people like Scott and Len who have been of invaluable help to Ipswitch, the users of Imail, and its community while Ipswitch simply sat silently on their laurals for years putting out features that had no comparison what-so-ever to the importance of anti-virus in email. I was just the personal guest of senior editors at Ziff Davis Media in NYC last week discussing the related subjects of desktop and email security. Perhaps I should recommend an article on the 'great anti-virus rip-off' where companies like Declude and Frisk should be given far more credit for their honest and rational solutions? -- Roger Heath advanced internet desktop: www.activatordesk.com antivirus antispam email : www.activatormail.com master internet index: www.infogrid.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Here is what I sent in response to there big idea! As a valued customer for two years at that price, I will stay will Declude!!! $500.00 unlimated single server one time price and F-Prot or McAfee $40.00 - $50.00 one time! They are way out in left field with this idea!!! --- Original Message --- From: Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:52:37 -0600 Subject: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude As someone who has used Imail for many years and begged to have an integrated antivirus solution for several years in the Imail forum, we have been very grateful to Scott and Declude for such wonderful add-on products that have achieved this for us. Len too came up with a popular method is due credit much as well. I wish to personally thank both for their substantial help over the years here with Imail. Now after I begged for this solution for years, and Imail just sits there on their hands, they now introduce a new intergrated solution today charging thousands just like the big antivirus companies, instead of partnering with Declude for more rational ethical solutions, with more features, at the fraction of the costs. http://www.ipswitch.com/Products/IMail_Server/antivirus.html I don't know who John Korsak, Product Marketing Manager for IMail Server is, but his announcement this morning of this limited featured product for substantially greater cost is rediculous. I don't know about the rest of the long time Imail users, like me, feel, but this is about as offensive as it gets. As far as I am concerned we were going to dump Imail until Scott made Declude. I am sure I am not alone in this consideration. I've been in professional marketing for some 25 years and I've never witnessed anything quite like this. Seeing the absurdity of this, I would not blame Scott or Len for stopping any and all Imail add-on development. We were going to upgrade to Imail 7.x but have now decided not to do this. We may well begin searching for a solution where we can deal with people who don't pull these rediculous marketing ploys and stave off valuable add-on development. Does any one here really want to spend $7,850 for a product that has half the features of Declude at $795? Who's kidding who? It seems very obvious Ipswitch wants to get some 'big hits' on naive buyers rather than simply work with great add-on people like Scott and Len who have been of invaluable help to Ipswitch, the users of Imail, and its community while Ipswitch simply sat silently on their laurals for years putting out features that had no comparison what-so-ever to the importance of anti-virus in email. I was just the personal guest of senior editors at Ziff Davis Media in NYC last week discussing the related subjects of desktop and email security. Perhaps I should recommend an article on the 'great anti-virus rip-off' where companies like Declude and Frisk should be given far more credit for their honest and rational solutions? -- Roger Heath advanced internet desktop: www.activatordesk.com antivirus antispam email : www.activatormail.com master internet index: www.infogrid.com Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude
Reply to: Bob McGregor Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Wednesday 12:53:53 PM Very well put. Even Mail Essentials is one-third the price with maybe 50-100 more features depending how you look at it and you can still use what ever command line scanner you want. But it will still not be as integrated and low in cost and efficient and unique to Imail as Declude. Taking advantage of 'not-so-savvy' customers to this degree is not a pretty picture of a company at all. BTW, I have received a private email from the CTO of Ipswitch that indicates they intend to continue to support apps like Declude and 3rd party development and not block them. I hope that is always the case. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply to: Don Weber Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Wednesday 12:08:00 PM B you musta missed the last 2 weeks of this list, this has been round and round a few B times, and lots of users feel the Not really. I just received the formal announcement of Imail AntiVirus this morning. - Copy of Original Message(s): - B Don Says: IPSwitch will most likely enjoy success making the big dollar sales with the big dollar and big name oriented consumers or those who don't take the time and get educated. B This is true and they will get sales but imagine you're new to B Imail and you purchase the Imail and AV stuff from them and then find B out about this list. B You subscribe (like we all did) and then you find out there's a B solution that is way less money AND the existing people (experts in B your eyes) all highly tout it AND you find out it's been B there longer! B Would you not wonder why they just bent you over for thousands of bucks?? B Major question is Why does Ipswitch not value it's existing customer B base or it's 3rd party folks??? B bob Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. An Archive of this list is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/
