Re: [lace] - Lurkers vs. Volunteers
thanks Cynce - as someone who only picks up emails a couple of times a day (and one of those in a hurry with no time to reply before work), I often don't reply because what I have to contribute has already been said by someone else before I have time to add my two-penny-worth Beth In a grey damp Cheshire, NW England Cynce wrote: I also check to see if my comment has been made by others. It gets old to see the same reply 5 or 6 times. Sue wrote: When there are probably less than 50 regular contributors to Arachne, and we know that there are another 1,000 or so who are lurking, does that matter to you? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lurkers vs. Volunteers
There is a reason for this, that many who have joined the list since the change was made won't realise. Originally, the responses were the other way round, and hitting 'reply' sent to the list rather than just the sender. This caused a problem - because some Arachnes post from computers at work, they were unable to turn off the email receipt notification and these notifications caused havoc bouncing back and forth - especially in the days when we could receive up to 40 Arachne messages per day! The only cure was to change things round, so that any automatic receipt would go to the sender, not the list - problem solved. I still have copies of the Arachne Handbooks that were sent automatically to new members to the list years ago, (I don't know if they still are?) which explain some of the things like why the list split (into lace and lace chat), netiquette, etc, would it be worth posting them again? Bear in mind, though, that some of the information in them is now out of date, but they make interesting reading. In message d5db1f77-8f7a-4614-ab99-a9b203bac...@sbcglobal.net, Cynce Williams cyncewilli...@sbcglobal.net writes Small comment. On my system I can usually just hit reply to answer to the group. On Arachne I need to hit reply all for my answer to be seen by the group as well as the person I'm answering. Sometimes I'll repost. Most times I don't. -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lurkers vs. Volunteers
There are two ways of looking at this - one is that if several are saying the same thing it shows that is (most likely) the right answer; the other is that you may be thinking that's what I was going to say, but I wouldn't have put it like that - and just maybe, you putting it differently, might help the person who doesn't understand it like that! I'm often away from home for several days at a time, either for Lace Guild or Railway duties, (I work part time, close to home so that makes little odds) and although I'm on the reflected list it is like getting a digest when I get back. Sometimes there is something to pick up on that others (by this time the digest readers have had a chance to respond) have missed, sometimes it is interesting to see what other snippets people have added to their answer (like how hot it is in Australia at this time of year, when we here in the UK are freezing!), but rarely do we get a string of me too answers. In message 51443fc4.5030...@capuchin.co.uk, Beth Marshall b...@capuchin.co.uk writes thanks Cynce - as someone who only picks up emails a couple of times a day (and one of those in a hurry with no time to reply before work), I often don't reply because what I have to contribute has already been said by someone else before I have time to add my two-penny-worth Beth In a grey damp Cheshire, NW England Cynce wrote: I also check to see if my comment has been made by others. It gets old to see the same reply 5 or 6 times. -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] - Lurkers vs. Volunteers
Dear Friends, I often wonder whatever became of Susan of Tennessee??? Remember the fun she gave us back around '98? David in Ballarat, AUS - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lurkers vs. Volunteers
Vila, I feel the same way! There have been many times in life when I have been shot down in the prescence of others when I attempted to contribute something in various circumstance. I tend to be a non-combative type of person so I don't challenge the other person (even when I disagree or feel they are wrong). I step back and let them carry on since it appears to me they want the spotlight, even though it makes me feel humiliated. When I know I'm not an expert at something, I enjoy learning from others and am very thankful they are willing to share. I don't consider it being a parasite. The key word is share - which to mean means to give a part of, not drain the life out of. A student tries to learn all they can about a subject; the teacher tries to impart their knowledge. Their should be a certain amount of joy in both parts of the relationship or why do it? Liz in Missouri where we are having unseasonably warm weather. Yay! I tend to lurk on lists. I share when I know for certain I know what I am talking about or feel strongly about something. The reason I don't post more on the different lists is the very real possibility of nasty replies when my reply is deemed incorrect or my post is taken wrong Lurkers on these lists are not demanding that the ones who post do more. So in that way they are not takers, they are gathering information and feeling like they are part of a community. Not everyone is outgoing, it is hard for many introverts to put themselves forward - even with the shield of the internet. Vila Cox ~ Warped Wonderful - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lurkers vs. Volunteers
My meaning is everybody shall do as she or he want/feel. I was very shy at the beginning too, because English isn't my mother tongue. And this is also the reason I keep quiet if it is about technical things. Using the wrong word and the other person doesn't understand what I am meaning. I think we are a strong group and if some lurkers would find the time or the courage to write/ask/remark something it would be lovely if they only want read it's ok too. And one other point not all of us have the same knowledge about laces or lacemaking. Those are eager to learn/hear from the others. Let's go ahead as we did. Ilske, who has catched a cold and went to bed now. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] - Lurkers vs. Volunteers
When I have been struggling with something in lace the people on arachne have been wonderful, mostly. But not all of the answers come through the main group, occasional answers, or snippets of information have come through directly to me. Some from very prominent members of Arachne and other times from very quiet people who probably dont teach but have that vital piece of helpful advice which has been really appreciated. I think many others have been helped in a similar way and on occasion have been able to do our bit in helping someone else. Myself and another arachnid guided and helped find ways to describe how to work a certain pattern to a new lady attempting to make lace with no access to a teacher and working from books. To our amazement it worked and she continued to work for a couple of years until patchwork took her away from lace for now. So not all would be lurkers are actually taking only, many are giving where they can but very quietly in the background. Not everyone in life is able to pass on their knowledge or even continue with this wonderful craft all the time but reading the mail from the group is enjoyable mostly anyway. So to all the arachnids where ever you are I am proud to be of their number. Sue T Dorset UK where it is raining heavily and I am off to complete cooking dinner When there are probably less than 50 regular contributors to Arachne, and we know that there are another 1,000 or so who are lurking, does that matter to you? Do we have a lot of knowledgeable people out there who are takers, instead of sharers? And do they even care to realize how frustrating that is for some of us to contemplate? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] - Lurkers vs. Volunteers
Small comment. On my system I can usually just hit reply to answer to the group. On Arachne I need to hit reply all for my answer to be seen by the group as well as the person I'm answering. Sometimes I'll repost. Most times I don't. I also check to see if my comment has been made by others. It gets old to see the same reply 5 or 6 times. Cynthia whose big mouth doesn't allow her to lurk very much. On Mar 15, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Sue wrote: When there are probably less than 50 regular contributors to Arachne, and we know that there are another 1,000 or so who are lurking, does that matter to you? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lurkers vs. Volunteers
Many years ago, a lady at one of our Lace Days was complaining about there being nothing in the magazine this time. I said it was probably because no-one had sent anything in to be printed! Did she ever contribute? Well!!! --- A very haughty reply of No, of course Not - obviously it was Far below her dignity to send an article or pattern to a magazine! Big mouth me replied then if she did not contribute she had no right to complain! She never spoke to me again - no great loss!!! I still feel that way, but I know not everyone can contribute , though I am sure a lot more people can add a bit on Arachne! This list is kept fairly strictly under control, and any nastiness is dealt with immediately. I think all of us are more interested in lacemaking and chatting about it, and although there are disagreements about some things we are all too interested in the craft to get narky. We all know there are different ways of doing things in lacemaking, and accept the differences - part of the charm of the craft, in my book!! Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
