RE: [lace] point ground with no gimp
Thanks to Jane Partridge and Adele Shaak for their replies to my conundrum. Adele is correct that Regency lace had no gimp on the outside, but did have gimp on the inside around little holes. I have always thought that this showed a preview of what would be later tried in Bedfordshire Maltese. Regency lace certainly has an ungainly appearance like this lace, so perhaps Adele is correct that it is a variation on Regency. If anyone wants to see an example of Regency, the Metropolitan Museum of Artâs piece, 26.281.1 (https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/222059) is a good example. It has a mildly wavy edge like the piece I am now examining. Janeâs suggestion is also interesting. I have seen machine made pieces that were made without gimp and that the lace runners then had to put gimp into with a needle. The Metâs piece, 13.163.3a https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/219579 is an example of that. In that case the design doesnât make any sense without the needle added gimp, which is not the case with this piece. And yet, the mesh of the piece in question is very regular and somewhat elongated, which is not the case with 13.163.3a, but which I sometimes think I see in machine made pieces. And there are some transitions that look odd to me. But the mesh on the Regency lace 26.181.1 is also elongated, if less regular. The piece in question has braided areas and I am not sure that this could have been done by the machine. Much to think about. Many thanks for the thought provoking suggestions. Devon PS. Best wishes to Jane for a successful treatment and recovery. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachnelace.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] point ground with no gimp
Devon - I am without my lace books at the moment, so I can’t give you any citations. But there is a type of lace that was done in the early 19th century, that is a point ground with no gimp on the outside of the motifs. In the books I have, it was called “Regency Lace” - probably a reference to the English regency in the 1810s. I do not know if it is Lille or Arras or if it is a Bucks Point variation. The examples I’ve seen have no gimp around the motifs but if there are little holes inside the motif, they will put gimp around them. I can see your piece has no gimp at all; I would suggest it is just a variation of Regency lace. As ever, just my 2 cents. Adele Summerland, BC Canada > On Feb 1, 2023, at 7:51 AM, DevonThein wrote: > > On another note. I have encountered a lace in the Met collection which is a > point ground without any gimp. > https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/214651 > Please note, the picture enlarges. > The information cites Lille or Arras as the origin of the lace. But, Lille > lace has a gimp. Actually, as far as I can discover, all point grounds tend to > have gimps since it helps to even out the design area. In fact, the effect of > this lace is that the design area looks a bit rough. The information also says > early 19th century. Is this some experimental lace? Or is there a genre of > point ground without a gimp that I am simply not recalling? > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachnelace.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] point ground with no gimp
I'm wondering if it might be a machine made lace. I think some had the gimp outline sewn in by hand later. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of DevonThein Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2023 3:51:01 PM To: Lace Arachne Subject: [lace] point ground with no gimp Thanks to all who responded with helpful hints regarding my request for access to the museum of Halas lace, and also Arlene Scaroni. On another note. I have encountered a lace in the Met collection which is a point ground without any gimp. https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.metmus eum.org%2Fart%2Fcollection%2Fsearch%2F214651=05%7C01%7C%7Ce2a52f80d9904d 668cdc08db046c2155%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6381086346810 88337%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1 haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=n%2B9iOm3Q1oXVfid5EGhAyUpbVZbioL6GY Euo37jCmus%3D=0 Please note, the picture enlarges. The information cites Lille or Arras as the origin of the lace. But, Lille lace has a gimp. Actually, as far as I can discover, all point grounds tend to have gimps since it helps to even out the design area. In fact, the effect of this lace is that the design area looks a bit rough. The information also says early 19th century. Is this some experimental lace? Or is there a genre of point ground without a gimp that I am simply not recalling? Help! Devon Sent from Mail for Windows - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachnelace.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr. com%2Fphotos%2Flacemaker%2Fsets%2F=05%7C01%7C%7Ce2a52f80d9904d668cdc08db 046c2155%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638108634681088337%7CUn known%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=RrbWMJ1iqMjNrMzlsQJGaGYuIX6ElSyEplIoN8ImKto%3 D=0 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachnelace.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] point ground with no gimp
Thanks to all who responded with helpful hints regarding my request for access to the museum of Halas lace, and also Arlene Scaroni. On another note. I have encountered a lace in the Met collection which is a point ground without any gimp. https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/214651 Please note, the picture enlarges. The information cites Lille or Arras as the origin of the lace. But, Lille lace has a gimp. Actually, as far as I can discover, all point grounds tend to have gimps since it helps to even out the design area. In fact, the effect of this lace is that the design area looks a bit rough. The information also says early 19th century. Is this some experimental lace? Or is there a genre of point ground without a gimp that I am simply not recalling? Help! Devon Sent from Mail for Windows - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachnelace.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
