Re: FAX Modems?
I did some research. USB modems use the Conexant (now owned by Rockwell) chipset. The drivers are propietary. There used to be freeware reverse engineered drivers and the other option was to use Dell windows drivers using the windows driver compatability package. They may not be compatible with the current kernels. There also is a commercial linux driver, a license sells for $20. You can buy the source version and compile it yourself, one person did it on a raspberry pi with a slight mod. The other viable option is to buy a used rs232 fax modem and an FTDI usb to rs232 converter if your computer does not have an rs232 port. Asterisk had a voip to fax driver, but I never was able to get it to work, it may still be available and useable, I dont know. A third option would be to scan facebook marketplace, yad2, or agora for a multifunction scanner, printer, fax with a broken printer or scanner that has the apporopriate linux drivers and just use it as a modem. Geoff -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel On Jan 10, 2021, 8:39 AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh , wrote: > > On 08/01/2021 10:39, Omer Zak wrote: > > I am one of the holdouts who still use FAX technology. > > My printer was of the type which combines printing + scanning + FAX. A > > week ago it died, and I looked for a new printer with the same > > combination of features. > > Turned out that there is a shortage of > > printers, so I bought a printer with scanner but without FAX. > > > > And now I am looking for a solution to continue to receive FAX messages > > on my landline phone line. > The software of yore should still work. The tricky part is getting the > correct hardware and drivers. > I quick search found several USB modems sold today, but most only list > Windows as their compatibility, and it's impossible to know whether that > means they are WinModems (zero nostalgia) or just lazy. > I did, however, find this: > https://www.amazon.com/V-TOP-External-V-92-Modem-Cable/dp/B00XW5QYWS/ref=psdc_284715_t4_B07H3Q74L8 > It lists Mac in it's title, but the actual text also explicitly lists Linux > as a supported platform. It might, theoretically, still be a WinModem with > (proprietary) drivers, but considering the cost of hardware (a 56Kbps modem > can _easily_ be created with a 5$ micrcontroller/dsp/FPGA), I find it more > likely that this is a full fledged hardware modem. > With that in mind, I recently bought a Canon integrated printer, and it came > with fax capabilities. I'm just about to cancel my "land line", so this > feature is increasingly becoming useless for me, personally, but know that > it's still out there. > Shachar > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: FAX Modems?
win modems are (were) PCI hardware. Standalone modems are not winmodems. There is a USB modem standard. They dont include linux compatability in their specs because as far as they are concerned no one uses linux. Geoff -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel On Jan 10, 2021, 8:39 AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh , wrote: > > I ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: FAX Modems?
On 08/01/2021 10:39, Omer Zak wrote: I am one of the holdouts who still use FAX technology. My printer was of the type which combines printing + scanning + FAX. A week ago it died, and I looked for a new printer with the same combination of features. Turned out that there is a shortage of printers, so I bought a printer with scanner but without FAX. And now I am looking for a solution to continue to receive FAX messages on my landline phone line. The software of yore should still work. The tricky part is getting the correct hardware and drivers. I quick search found several USB modems sold today, but most only list Windows as their compatibility, and it's impossible to know whether that means they are WinModems (zero nostalgia) or just lazy. I did, however, find this: https://www.amazon.com/V-TOP-External-V-92-Modem-Cable/dp/B00XW5QYWS/ref=psdc_284715_t4_B07H3Q74L8 It lists Mac in it's title, but the actual text also explicitly lists Linux as a supported platform. It might, theoretically, still be a WinModem with (proprietary) drivers, but considering the cost of hardware (a 56Kbps modem can _easily_ be created with a 5$ micrcontroller/dsp/FPGA), I find it more likely that this is a full fledged hardware modem. With that in mind, I recently bought a Canon integrated printer, and it came with fax capabilities. I'm just about to cancel my "land line", so this feature is increasingly becoming useless for me, personally, but know that it's still out there. Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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Around 2002 when I first got a cable modem, I set up a pentium 133 running linux as a mail server, dns server, dhcp server, etc for my local network. I attached a modem to it and set up a hylafax server. I just looked at the current system that runs the same things, and I dont think I have a modem connected to it, and if there is one hidden in the back, I know for sure it does not have a phone line connected to it, but it still runs hylafax. :-) Geoff -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel On Jan 9, 2021, 7:08 PM +0200, Rabin Yasharzadehe , wrote: > At my work place there is a fax server which was installed over 10 years ago > based on HylaFax and uses an old US Robotics 56K modem. > (which has the old 25 pin header connected via adapter to the server) > > We use is only for receiving fax (local Fax2Mail service) > > > -- > Rabin > > > > On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 at 10:40, Omer Zak wrote: > > > I am one of the holdouts who still use FAX technology. > > > My printer was of the type which combines printing + scanning + FAX. A > > > week ago it died, and I looked for a new printer with the same > > > combination of features. > > > Turned out that there is a shortage of > > > printers, so I bought a printer with scanner but without FAX. > > > > > > And now I am looking for a solution to continue to receive FAX messages > > > on my landline phone line. > > > > > > I have some questions: > > > 1. If you work at an organization (or own it) which still uses FAX > > > technology, which solution/s does your organization use? > > > 2. What model of FAX modem would you recommend? > > > 3. What FAX software do you use under Linux, if any? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Keep healthy, > > > --- Omer Zak > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by > > > looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it > > > possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man." - Walter E. > > > Williams > > > My own blog is at https://tddpirate.zak.co.il/ > > > > > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > > > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with > > > which I may be affiliated in any way. > > > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at https://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Linux-il mailing list > > > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: FAX Modems?
At my work place there is a fax server which was installed over 10 years ago based on HylaFax and uses an old US Robotics 56K modem. (which has the old 25 pin header connected via adapter to the server) We use is only for receiving fax (local Fax2Mail service) -- Rabin On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 at 10:40, Omer Zak wrote: > I am one of the holdouts who still use FAX technology. > My printer was of the type which combines printing + scanning + FAX. A > week ago it died, and I looked for a new printer with the same > combination of features. > Turned out that there is a shortage of > printers, so I bought a printer with scanner but without FAX. > > And now I am looking for a solution to continue to receive FAX messages > on my landline phone line. > > I have some questions: > 1. If you work at an organization (or own it) which still uses FAX > technology, which solution/s does your organization use? > 2. What model of FAX modem would you recommend? > 3. What FAX software do you use under Linux, if any? > > Thanks, > Keep healthy, > --- Omer Zak > > > > -- > "Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by > looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it > possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man." - Walter E. > Williams > My own blog is at https://tddpirate.zak.co.il/ > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with > which I may be affiliated in any way. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at https://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: FAX Modems?
This is a frequent topic of discussion on Anglo facebook groups because olim arrive here and can not understand that faxes are still used here. The most common answer is to use an app on a smartphone or a web site. Both upload your document to a central server and fax from there. I wont even touch on the security or privacy issues. We have an actual scanner/printer/fax. My wife uses it the most, she scans a document so she has a backup copy and then uses the windows fax program that came with the device. I used to use a linux server with Hylafax and a serial modem and then upgraded the modem to a USB fax modem I bought from eBay. I dont know if either USB modems or hylafax is still available. Geoff -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel On Jan 8, 2021, 10:40 AM +0200, Omer Zak , wrote: > I am one of the holdouts who still use FAX technology. > My printer was of the type which combines printing + scanning + FAX. A > week ago it died, and I looked for a new printer with the same > combination of features. > Turned out that there is a shortage of > printers, so I bought a printer with scanner but without FAX. > > And now I am looking for a solution to continue to receive FAX messages > on my landline phone line. > > I have some questions: > 1. If you work at an organization (or own it) which still uses FAX > technology, which solution/s does your organization use? > 2. What model of FAX modem would you recommend? > 3. What FAX software do you use under Linux, if any? > > Thanks, > Keep healthy, > --- Omer Zak > > > > -- > "Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by > looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it > possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man." - Walter E. > Williams > My own blog is at https://tddpirate.zak.co.il/ > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with > which I may be affiliated in any way. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at https://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fax Modems?
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 06:10:18PM +0200, geoffrey mendelson wrote: What do people use? Is there a source of fax modems that work with Hylafax in Israel? I dug up an old USR 56k/Fax modem and got Hylafax working. I have one problem with it. The modem does not have adaptive answer. This is a feature where when someone answers the phone, the modem silently listens for a CNG (I am fax calling you) tone. Our old fax machine did that. What do you mean? You only get this tone from the remote fax after answering the line. You want to connect this fax along-side a phone and have the fax ignore non-fax calls? Without it if you use your phone line for voice too, you have to hang up you == the human with the phone. But the fax will have to answer any call (potentially after a pre-set number of rings), right? and hope the calling fax machine retries the connection. With it, the fax machine answers and you hang up. It's definitely a hardware problem, Hylafax will support it if the modem does, and this one does not. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fax Modems?
On Mar 17, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: What do you mean? You only get this tone from the remote fax after answering the line. Yes. But anyone who answers the line gets it. If the line is shared between a FAX and a person/answering machine, who ever answers first gets it. In the old way of doing things, if this happened, you pushed the manual answer button on the fax machine. Now there is no fax machine, just a modem in a corner, and instead of there being only one phone part of or next to the fax machine, there are several scattered around. In fact, they are a DECT cluster, 4 handsets connected to one base station over a radio link. It probably could be done better with an Asterix box, a set of WiFi cordless phones and a real fax machine, but I don't want to spend the money. I just want to get a better fax modem. You want to connect this fax along-side a phone and have the fax ignore non-fax calls? Yes. What I really want it to do is have the fax go into answer mode when the phone is picked up by a person and the CNG tone is there. If it does not hear the CNG tone, the FAX does not go into answer mode, so you can have a normal conversation. If the CNG tone is heard, the fax switches to answer mode, sends out a carrier and tries to connect. The person who answered the phone, hangs up. Without it if you use your phone line for voice too, you have to hang up you == the human with the phone. the fax will have to answer any call (potentially after a pre-set number of rings), right? Only if no one else answers. Most people use it with an answering machine, I don' t want one. So if no one is home, or we are all too busy to answer, the fax machine would answer after 10 rings or so. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fax Modems?
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 03:02:17PM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: 2009/3/9 Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il: Check hylafax. Maybe together with iaxmodem from Asterisk. Would it enable me to just put a paper in the fax, dial a number and send, and vice-versa (accept a fax sent from a normal analogue fax machine and dialed to my home number)? Many stand-alone faxes actually support T.37 (basically: Fax over SMTP). Thanks. Will look for it in my fax' guide but I don't think that places which expect a fax (for semi-legal reasons or just because of Procedures(TM)) would accept an email, would they? This is funny. Bezeq already offers you a service to get your faxes through email. I never understand why people consider a faxed document as a proof for anything. The funniest thing is when they ask you to print a document, sign it and fax the result back :-) /me needs to add a SignatureFilter to his next T.38 fax gateway. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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2009/3/5 geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com: I'll like to set up a hylafax server to SEND faxes from my computer. I'm runnning Ubuntu 8.04.2 LTS. I have several HAM type modems, but from what I can see there are no drivers in a 2.6 kernel for them. What do people use? Is there a source of fax modems that work with Hylafax in Israel? I might be a bit hijacking the thread but since I think Geoffrey uses VoIP this might be relevant still - does anyone here have a working solution for faxing over non-PSTN lines? Is Fax-Email gateway the only way? I heard about T.38 and needing a gateway between a regular fax and something which will convert the analog signal to Fax Over IP (FoIP?), but so far haven't found anyone who can give me such a service or gadget. I'd like to take advantage of my All-in-one HP Photosmart printer. Right now this is the last reason I keep (and pay for) the PSTN line at home in parallel to a VoIP line. Thanks, --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 09:49:53PM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: 2009/3/5 geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com: I'll like to set up a hylafax server to SEND faxes from my computer. I'm runnning Ubuntu 8.04.2 LTS. I have several HAM type modems, but from what I can see there are no drivers in a 2.6 kernel for them. What do people use? Is there a source of fax modems that work with Hylafax in Israel? I might be a bit hijacking the thread but since I think Geoffrey uses VoIP this might be relevant still - does anyone here have a working solution for faxing over non-PSTN lines? Is Fax-Email gateway the only way? Check hylafax. Maybe together with iaxmodem from Asterisk. I heard about T.38 and needing a gateway between a regular fax and something which will convert the analog signal to Fax Over IP (FoIP?), but so far haven't found anyone who can give me such a service or gadget. Many stand-alone faxes actually support T.37 (basically: Fax over SMTP). T.38 is getting more or less supported in devices and softwares, though. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fax Modems?
I have a feeling that most of the PCI fax cards are really Windows type fax cards and won't work with Linux. Therefore an external Fax Modem would be preferential. This is a kin to the problem with ADSL or Cable Modem where an external router or certain external modems work. But a lot of homework needs to be done which will support. Maybe those using Mac computers will do the job. Moshe --- On Mon, 9/3/09, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: From: Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il Subject: Re: Fax Modems? To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: Monday, 9 March, 2009, 1:09 PM -Inline Attachment Follows- On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 09:49:53PM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: 2009/3/5 geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com: I'll like to set up a hylafax server to SEND faxes from my computer. I'm runnning Ubuntu 8.04.2 LTS. I have several HAM type modems, but from what I can see there are no drivers in a 2.6 kernel for them. What do people use? Is there a source of fax modems that work with Hylafax in Israel? I might be a bit hijacking the thread but since I think Geoffrey uses VoIP this might be relevant still - does anyone here have a working solution for faxing over non-PSTN lines? Is Fax-Email gateway the only way? Check hylafax. Maybe together with iaxmodem from Asterisk. I heard about T.38 and needing a gateway between a regular fax and something which will convert the analog signal to Fax Over IP (FoIP?), but so far haven't found anyone who can give me such a service or gadget. Many stand-alone faxes actually support T.37 (basically: Fax over SMTP). T.38 is getting more or less supported in devices and softwares, though. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il | | best ICQ# 16849754 | | friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fax Modems?
On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Amos Shapira wrote: I might be a bit hijacking the thread but since I think Geoffrey uses VoIP this might be relevant still - does anyone here have a working solution for faxing over non-PSTN lines? Is Fax-Email gateway the only way? I tried to do it and never had any luck. I have a cable modem from HOT and according to all the people I spoke to, including HOT technical support, the timing is messed up and it won't work. Some people had good luck using aDSL lines and VoIP, but I was never able to get enough details for that information to be of any use. When I asked on the Hylafax support list I was told it did not work at all. Vonage in the US, provides lines provisioned for FAX, and if you just have a voice line, you can dial *99 as a prefix and get a FAX connection. It did not work from here when I had a Vonage line. I've been bugging Sammy Ominsky to do something with OlehPhone. When I saw him last week he said he had, but it did not work well enough to sell it. I'd like to take advantage of my All-in-one HP Photosmart printer. Right now this is the last reason I keep (and pay for) the PSTN line at home in parallel to a VoIP line. Me too. In case anyone needs to know, it works fine on a HOT voice line, but unlike the other alternative voice lines sold here, it is NOT VoIP. I happen to have the one HP unit that can not be used as a FAX modem, which is why I need another FAX modem. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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On Mar 9, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Moshe Brace using Yahoo wrote: I have a feeling that most of the PCI fax cards are really Windows type fax cards and won't work with Linux. Therefore an external Fax Modem would be preferential. This is a kin to the problem with ADSL or Cable Modem where an external router or certain external modems work. But a lot of homework needs to be done which will support. Maybe those using Mac computers will do the job. Moshe PCI modems are indeed HAM (host assited modems) which are no longer supported in Linux. Some models were supported in 2.4 kernels, but not all chipsets and not all kernels. When mine died, I found that I had two that were supported, but the driver would not compile with my kernel. Serial modems are still supported, if you can find one and have a serial port. Are USB modems supported? Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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2009/3/9 Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il: Check hylafax. Maybe together with iaxmodem from Asterisk. Would it enable me to just put a paper in the fax, dial a number and send, and vice-versa (accept a fax sent from a normal analogue fax machine and dialed to my home number)? Many stand-alone faxes actually support T.37 (basically: Fax over SMTP). Thanks. Will look for it in my fax' guide but I don't think that places which expect a fax (for semi-legal reasons or just because of Procedures(TM)) would accept an email, would they? T.38 is getting more or less supported in devices and softwares, though. That's what everybody keeps saying but as far as I managed to learn about this protocol, at some stage you have to have some T.38-PSTN gateway to be able to talk to regular faxes. Cheers, --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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2009/3/10 geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com: Are USB modems supported? I guess so - that's how mobile modems are used. They just emulate serial AT protocol on top of USB. NetworkManager will generally auto-detect and configure them. (A little anecdote - back when I visited Brazil I got to connect a borrowed usb mobile modem to my Debian laptop and practically seat in the middle of the Brazilian jungle checking e-mails and even VPN'ing to my workplace. Ah the good life of a geek :) I now plan to repeat the achievement with Nokia E71. Cheers, --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
