Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[marc volovic]

I missed mist of the discussion, so pardon me for possible going over plowed 
ground - it is probably difficult to nigh impossible to buy a linux-installed 
machine, but it is quite easy to buy a "no os" machine (actually, with 
freedos). Why not get one of them and deploy whatever flavour of Linux the 
tickles your fancy?

And no - I am not going to debate which distro is shiniest.

On 15 May 2020 15:59:39 GMT+03:00, Tzafrir Cohen  wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Pardon me for straying a bit off the topic of the recent sub-thread,
>
>On 14/05/2020 23:08, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 May 2020 14:39:02 -0400
>> Steve Litt  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> That's perfectly reasonable, although I'll personally never use or
>>> recommend Mint again. 
>> 
>> I'm going to bow out of this debate now. I should have bowed out of
>it
>> long ago. First of all, I'm presumably on the same side as most of
>you
>> when it comes to the major important facts, as opposed to the side
>show
>> I've been discussing. Number two, I have nowhere near as much skin in
>> the game as most of you have.
>
>Be actually constructive and more on-topic and answer the question.
>
>The last computer I bought with Linux pre-installed was a purism
>laptop.
>Rather expensive and cannot be bought in Israel. The OS is a Debian
>derivative, and it works well out of that specific box. But then again,
>if you don't limit yourself to Israel, there are a number of others.
>
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

Hi,

Pardon me for straying a bit off the topic of the recent sub-thread,

On 14/05/2020 23:08, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 14 May 2020 14:39:02 -0400
> Steve Litt  wrote:
> 
> 
>> That's perfectly reasonable, although I'll personally never use or
>> recommend Mint again. 
> 
> I'm going to bow out of this debate now. I should have bowed out of it
> long ago. First of all, I'm presumably on the same side as most of you
> when it comes to the major important facts, as opposed to the side show
> I've been discussing. Number two, I have nowhere near as much skin in
> the game as most of you have.

Be actually constructive and more on-topic and answer the question.

The last computer I bought with Linux pre-installed was a purism laptop.
Rather expensive and cannot be bought in Israel. The OS is a Debian
derivative, and it works well out of that specific box. But then again,
if you don't limit yourself to Israel, there are a number of others.

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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 14 May 2020 14:39:02 -0400
Steve Litt  wrote:


> That's perfectly reasonable, although I'll personally never use or
> recommend Mint again. 

I'm going to bow out of this debate now. I should have bowed out of it
long ago. First of all, I'm presumably on the same side as most of you
when it comes to the major important facts, as opposed to the side show
I've been discussing. Number two, I have nowhere near as much skin in
the game as most of you have.

SteveT

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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 14 May 2020 10:24:53 +0300
Shlomi Fish  wrote:

> Hi Tzafrir and all!
> 
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:05 AM Tzafrir Cohen 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 13/05/2020 6:17, Steve Litt wrote:  

> > > Just in case somebody here doesn't know what we're talking about,
> > > the message originally posted on the official Linux Mint blog
> > > included the phrase "I don’t want any money or help coming from
> > > Israel or people who support the action of their current
> > > government."  
> >
> > As of 2012, an Israeli company is listed (with an Israeli flag) in
> > Linux Mint's partners page:
> > https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php
> >
> > I'd say: what was was was was.
> >
> >  
> I just would like to say that I agree with you here. From my
> experience, life is too short to hold such grudges and keep finding
> flies in ointments.

That's perfectly reasonable, although I'll personally never use or
recommend Mint again. 

Here's the thing though: Somebody asks about about a pre-loaded
computer, and another guy says, to roll your own with Mint. There are
zillions of "we do it all for you", hardware ultrarecognition, easy to
install distros. So which did the person recommend *on an Israeli LUG
mail list*? Mint.

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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Tzafrir and all!

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:05 AM Tzafrir Cohen 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 13/05/2020 6:17, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:34 +0300
> > Shlomi Fish  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Geoffrey!
> >>
> >> Please see
> >> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
> >> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
> >
> > Well, speaking only for myself, in 2009 I erased Mint from all my
> > computers and never used it again. The following is a contemporaneous
> > description of why:
> >
> >
> http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200908/200908.htm#_The_Politics_of_Free_Software:_Pet_predjudices
> >
> > If anybody knows the location of a web resource in which the Mint
> > project completely repudiated the unfortunate words Clem LeFebre placed
> > *on the official Mint blog*, I'll change my stance.
> > Otherwise, I'll neither use nor recommend Linux Mint.
>
> See the archived Wikipedia talk page:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Linux_Mint/Archive_Israel-Palestine_Controversy
>
> On the official blog he wrote:
> https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=775
> That is: that politics is out of the official Linux Mint blog.
>
> >
> > Just in case somebody here doesn't know what we're talking about, the
> > message originally posted on the official Linux Mint blog included the
> > phrase "I don’t want any money or help coming from Israel or people who
> > support the action of their current government."
>
> As of 2012, an Israeli company is listed (with an Israeli flag) in Linux
> Mint's partners page:
> https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php
>
> I'd say: what was was was was.
>
>
I just would like to say that I agree with you here. From my experience,
life is too short to hold such grudges and keep finding flies in ointments.

(Written in part by inspiration from Eli Marmor's law).



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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 13 May 2020 11:05:10 +0300
Tzafrir Cohen  wrote:

> On 13/05/2020 6:17, Steve Litt wrote:
> > The following is a
> > contemporaneous description of why:
> > 
> > http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200908/200908.htm#_The_Politics_of_Free_Software:_Pet_predjudices
> > 
> > If anybody knows the location of a web resource in which the Mint
> > project completely repudiated the unfortunate words Clem LeFebre
> > placed *on the official Mint blog*, I'll change my stance.
> > Otherwise, I'll neither use nor recommend Linux Mint.  
> 
> See the archived Wikipedia talk page:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Linux_Mint/Archive_Israel-Palestine_Controversy

Huh? Which part of the preceding link's 20997 word pile of diatribes is
the point you're making?

 
> On the official blog he wrote:
> https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=775
> That is: that politics is out of the official Linux Mint blog.

And that would have been sufficient if the Mint project
hadn't deliberately rejected my suggestion.

> 
> > 
> > Just in case somebody here doesn't know what we're talking about,
> > the message originally posted on the official Linux Mint blog
> > included the phrase "I don’t want any money or help coming from
> > Israel or people who support the action of their current
> > government."  
> 
> As of 2012, an Israeli company is listed (with an Israeli flag) in
> Linux Mint's partners page:
> https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php

Some of my best friends are Black.

(The preceding is an American idiom for a bigot who claims not to be
because he has friends in the group he's bigotted against.)
 
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Geoffrey Mendelson]

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On May 13, 2020, 10:48 AM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen , wrote:
>
> At the time IBM really wanted to continue developing its own fork of
> OpenOffice and for that they did not want OpenOffice to continue with
> the LibreOffice fork, that already existed (and had a license that would
> prevent them from making a priprietary fork).
>
> That is the most probably cause for Oracle to move OpenOffice to Apache.
> Stallman wasn't really involved with LibreOffice at the time.
>
> You are guessing, sorry. While Ellison did not reveal his decision process, 
> he is very pro Israel.
>
> Stallman wasnt involved because the FSF did not have control of OO and it was 
> not covered by the GPL. Was the FSF interested in taking it over, no one has 
> ever said officially, but there was plenty of people asking for it and 
> speculation that it was going to happen.
>
> As for proprietary forks, the owners of Asterisk did exactly that. They sold 
> a proprietary license to IBM for $10 million, screwing the people who 
> contributed most of the code who did so because it was GPL.
>
> As for Linux Mint, you are welcome to "forgive and forget", I am not.
>
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

Hi,

On 13/05/2020 6:17, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:34 +0300
> Shlomi Fish  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Geoffrey!
>>
>> Please see
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
>> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
> 
> Well, speaking only for myself, in 2009 I erased Mint from all my
> computers and never used it again. The following is a contemporaneous
> description of why:
> 
> http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200908/200908.htm#_The_Politics_of_Free_Software:_Pet_predjudices
> 
> If anybody knows the location of a web resource in which the Mint
> project completely repudiated the unfortunate words Clem LeFebre placed
> *on the official Mint blog*, I'll change my stance.
> Otherwise, I'll neither use nor recommend Linux Mint.

See the archived Wikipedia talk page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Linux_Mint/Archive_Israel-Palestine_Controversy

On the official blog he wrote:
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=775
That is: that politics is out of the official Linux Mint blog.

> 
> Just in case somebody here doesn't know what we're talking about, the
> message originally posted on the official Linux Mint blog included the
> phrase "I don’t want any money or help coming from Israel or people who
> support the action of their current government."

As of 2012, an Israeli company is listed (with an Israeli flag) in Linux
Mint's partners page:
https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php

I'd say: what was was was was.

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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

Geoff,

On 12/05/2020 22:16, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> 
> Hi Geoffrey,
> 
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:51 PM Geoffrey Mendelson
> mailto:geoffreymendel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> i went to the trouble of signing into one of my linux servers and
> reading the link.
> 
> It was your telling me not to talk about how RMS said as president
> of the FSF that he was going to honor the Palestinian boycott of
> Israel. It had nothing to do with linux mint.

That is what you wrote then. However it is not really based on any data.
At the time IBM really wanted to continue developing its own fork of
OpenOffice and for that they did not want OpenOffice to continue with
the LibreOffice fork, that already existed (and had a license that would
prevent them from making a priprietary fork).

That is the most probably cause for Oracle to move OpenOffice to Apache.
Stallman wasn't really involved with LibreOffice at the time.

See my reply from then:
https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66440.html

Oh, and if you go a bit up that thread you see another message that
happened to be by me that mentions that Mint is such an anti-Israeli
distribution that it has partnered to Compulab (an Israeli company) that
ships boxes with Mint pre-installed, and they are clearly listed with an
Israeli flag in their "partners" page:
https://www.linuxmint.com/partners.php

So Clem was ignorant and made incorrect statements almost 15 years ago.
He realized he was wrong and repented (again, almost 15 years ago). And
yet you keep making those false accusations. Even after you were
corrected time and again.

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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Steve Litt]

On Tue, 12 May 2020 09:44:34 +0300
Shlomi Fish  wrote:

> Hi Geoffrey!
> 
> Please see
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.

Well, speaking only for myself, in 2009 I erased Mint from all my
computers and never used it again. The following is a contemporaneous
description of why:

http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200908/200908.htm#_The_Politics_of_Free_Software:_Pet_predjudices

If anybody knows the location of a web resource in which the Mint
project completely repudiated the unfortunate words Clem LeFebre placed
*on the official Mint blog*, I'll change my stance.
Otherwise, I'll neither use nor recommend Linux Mint.

Just in case somebody here doesn't know what we're talking about, the
message originally posted on the official Linux Mint blog included the
phrase "I don’t want any money or help coming from Israel or people who
support the action of their current government."

SteveT

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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Yedidyah Bar David]

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:49 PM Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a couple 
> of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself, but now 
> due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable distro 
> and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to 
> work out-of-the-box.
> Specification wish list:
> 512GB SSD
> 16GB RAM
> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> Webcam
>
> The budget is around 2k shekels.
> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?

FWIW: Around two months ago, when it was clear that with the corona
situation I'll need another laptop, for my kids' home-schooling, I
went to the nearby KSP store, asked what they can offer (without even
searching their site), and bought something that I can't find on their
site anymore, but similar ones are:

https://ksp.co.il/?select=.268..271..132..1784.==1=2=0=0_search===0=0==_real=

This link to a search result gives you all their Dell laptops with
Linux on them, cheapest first, which is currently ~ 2500 NIS. Mine was
~ 2300 NIS and has 256GB SSD (vs 512 for cheapest now).

It arrived with Ubuntu 18.04, everything worked out of the box. My
kids generally like it, and I too (but hardly ever use it, other than
for helping them), definitely for this price.

Cheapest there with 16GB RAM (which is what you wanted) is ~ 4000,
quite a lot higher, but perhaps you can add RAM to one of the others,
no idea.

 Of course, if you buy a brand name, you can get it in any other
store, and are quite likely to get exactly the same thing, as opposed
to someone building it for you from parts.

Best regards,

>
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Geoffrey,

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 5:51 PM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> i went to the trouble of signing into one of my linux servers and reading
> the link.
>
> It was your telling me not to talk about how RMS said as president of the
> FSF that he was going to honor the Palestinian boycott of Israel. It had
> nothing to do with linux mint.
>
>
That link was to an archived Linux-IL post by Jeremy Hoyland (not by me)
and it reads:

«

Jeremy Hoyland

Mon,
20 Nov 2017 05:10:06 -0800


RMS was bullied into canceling his Israeli University talks by his (paying)
Palestinian hosts. He explains here:

http://stallman.org/articles/palestine-trip.html

Can we PLEASE stop playing politics now? This is NOT the right forum, and
we're none of us any good at it. RMS himself is a great example.

J.

[full disclosure; I use and enjoy Linux Mint, just as I enjoy the music of
Richard Wagner. Bad people can create good things]

»

So it has everything to do with Linux Mint, and the tiresome argument that
it should be avoided just because one of its lead developers may hold
antisemitic views.

Totally irrelevant.
>
> Geoff.
>
> As a side note, RMS jeapordized the FSF, project GNU, and pissed off Larry
> Ellison, who instead of giving Open Office to the FSF gave it to the Apache
> Foundation.
>
>
This is discussed in Tzafrir's reply which was quoted in the reply to it in
this exact link:

https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html

I didn't write it either, but it seems to me that his doubts have some
merit.

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> On May 12, 2020, 10:23 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
>
> I have now tested all three links using chromium-browser and the "lynx"
> browser on fedora and they all open fine in both browsers (as well as
> firefox). Something is broken on your end, and I have no control on
> proprietary browsers.
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:16 AM Shlomi Fish  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
>> geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
>>>
>>>
>> Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, they
>> all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.
>>
>> Regarding Safari, see
>> https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/
>> . Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an Apple
>> iDevice?
>>
>>
>>> Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one
>>> affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the
>>> palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world
>>> appology?
>>>
>>> Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>>> On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Geoffrey!
>>>
>>> Please see
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
>>> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>>>
>>> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be
>>> able to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>>>
>>> * https://distrowatch.com/
>>>
>>> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
>>> geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.

 Geoff

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 On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover ,
 wrote:

 Why not install yourself? use mint distro.

 On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install 
> myself,
> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
> needs to work out-of-the-box.
> Specification wish list:
> 512GB SSD
> 16GB RAM
>

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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Geoffrey Mendelson]

i went to the trouble of signing into one of my linux servers and reading the 
link.

It was your telling me not to talk about how RMS said as president of the FSF 
that he was going to honor the Palestinian boycott of Israel. It had nothing to 
do with linux mint.

Totally irrelevant.

Geoff.

As a side note, RMS jeapordized the FSF, project GNU, and pissed off Larry 
Ellison, who instead of giving Open Office to the FSF gave it to the Apache 
Foundation.

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On May 12, 2020, 10:23 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
> I have now tested all three links using chromium-browser and the "lynx" 
> browser on fedora and they all open fine in both browsers (as well as 
> firefox). Something is broken on your end, and I have no control on 
> proprietary browsers.
>
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:16 AM Shlomi Fish  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > > The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, 
> > > > they all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding Safari, see 
> > > > https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/
> > > >  . Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an 
> > > > Apple iDevice?
> > > >
> > > > > Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one 
> > > > > affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the 
> > > > > palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the 
> > > > > world appology?
> > > > >
> > > > > Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Geoff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> > > > > On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Geoffrey!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please see 
> > > > > > https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html 
> > > > > > and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully 
> > > > > > be able to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * https://distrowatch.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, 
> > > > > > > > Israel
> > > > > > > > On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover 
> > > > > > > > , wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux 
> > > > > > > > > > > pre-installed for a couple of senior citizens. I'd 
> > > > > > > > > > > usually buy a generic PC and install myself, but now due 
> > > > > > > > > > > to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > > > > > > > > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking 
> > > > > > > > > > > for a stable distro and long term support (e.g. the 
> > > > > > > > > > > latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to work 
> > > > > > > > > > > out-of-the-box.
> > > > > > > > > > > Specification wish list:
> > > > > > > > > > > 512GB SSD
> > > > > > > > > > > 16GB RAM
> > > > > > > > > > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > > > > > > > > > Webcam
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > > > > > > > > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such 
> > > > > > > > > > > configurations?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shlomi Fish]

I have now tested all three links using chromium-browser and the "lynx"
browser on fedora and they all open fine in both browsers (as well as
firefox). Something is broken on your end, and I have no control on
proprietary browsers.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:16 AM Shlomi Fish  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
> geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
>>
>>
> Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, they
> all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.
>
> Regarding Safari, see
> https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/
> . Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an Apple
> iDevice?
>
>
>> Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one
>> affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the
>> palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world
>> appology?
>>
>> Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>>
>> --
>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>> On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
>>
>> Hi Geoffrey!
>>
>> Please see
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
>> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>>
>> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be
>> able to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>>
>> * https://distrowatch.com/
>>
>> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
>> geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> --
>>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>>> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
>>>
>>> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
 couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
 but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
 The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
 distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
 needs to work out-of-the-box.
 Specification wish list:
 512GB SSD
 16GB RAM
 A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
 Webcam

 The budget is around 2k shekels.
 Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?

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>>
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shlomi Fish]

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.
>
>
Which link? There were several in my original email. For the record, they
all open fine in firefox on fedora 32 x64.

Regarding Safari, see
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/2251253/is-safari-the-new-internet-explorer/
. Chrome is proprietary too (as opposed to chromium). Are you on an Apple
iDevice?


> Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one
> affiliated with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the
> palestinians? Or his sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world
> appology?
>
> Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.
>
> Geoff
>
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
>
> Hi Geoffrey!
>
> Please see
> https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html and
> let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>
> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able
> to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>
> * https://distrowatch.com/
>
> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
> geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>> --
>> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
>> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
>>
>> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
>>> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
>>> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
>>> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
>>> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
>>> needs to work out-of-the-box.
>>> Specification wish list:
>>> 512GB SSD
>>> 16GB RAM
>>> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
>>> Webcam
>>>
>>> The budget is around 2k shekels.
>>> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>>>
>>> TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Geoffrey Mendelson]

Here is a good place to start.

https://abriefhistory.org/?p=774

Geoff

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On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
> Hi Geoffrey!
>
> Please see https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html 
> and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>
> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able to 
> recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>
> * https://distrowatch.com/
>
> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>
>
>
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson 
> >  wrote:
> > > Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --
> > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> > > On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
> > > > Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for 
> > > > > > a couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and 
> > > > > > install myself, but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > > > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable 
> > > > > > distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The 
> > > > > > hardware needs to work out-of-the-box.
> > > > > > Specification wish list:
> > > > > > 512GB SSD
> > > > > > 16GB RAM
> > > > > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > > > > Webcam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > > > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Geoffrey Mendelson]

The link wont open. I tried chrome and safari.

Why not do some actual reasearch and look up the request that no one affiliated 
with the IDF use Linux Mint due to their trearment of the palestinians? Or his 
sorry, I pissed of the people that rule the world appology?

Dont take my word for it, you can find them in the internet archive.

Geoff


--
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On May 12, 2020, 9:44 AM +0300, Shlomi Fish , wrote:
> Hi Geoffrey!
>
> Please see https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html 
> and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.
>
> That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able to 
> recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:
>
> * https://distrowatch.com/
>
> * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
>
>
>
> > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson 
> >  wrote:
> > > Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
> > >
> > > Geoff
> > >
> > > --
> > > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> > > On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
> > > > Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for 
> > > > > > a couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and 
> > > > > > install myself, but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > > > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable 
> > > > > > distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The 
> > > > > > hardware needs to work out-of-the-box.
> > > > > > Specification wish list:
> > > > > > 512GB SSD
> > > > > > 16GB RAM
> > > > > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > > > > Webcam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > > > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Geoffrey!

Please see https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg66441.html
and let's drop the "antisemitism" argument once and for all.

That put aside there are other distributions that should hopefully be able
to recognise and utilise most commodity hardware:

* https://distrowatch.com/

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions



On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
>
> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
>> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
>> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
>> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
>> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
>> needs to work out-of-the-box.
>> Specification wish list:
>> 512GB SSD
>> 16GB RAM
>> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
>> Webcam
>>
>> The budget is around 2k shekels.
>> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>>
>> TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shay Gover]

So don't use microphones either.
Or just use it and see them explode. :)

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:00 AM Geoffrey Mendelson <
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.
>
> Geoff
>
> --
> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel
> On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
>
> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
>> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
>> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
>> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable
>> distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware
>> needs to work out-of-the-box.
>> Specification wish list:
>> 512GB SSD
>> 16GB RAM
>> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
>> Webcam
>>
>> The budget is around 2k shekels.
>> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>>
>> TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Geoffrey Mendelson]

Support antisemitism. Use Linux Mint.

Geoff

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On May 12, 2020, 3:09 AM +0300, Shay Gover , wrote:
> Why not install yourself? use mint distro.
>
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a 
> > > couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install 
> > > myself, but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> > > The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable 
> > > distro and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware 
> > > needs to work out-of-the-box.
> > > Specification wish list:
> > > 512GB SSD
> > > 16GB RAM
> > > A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> > > Webcam
> > >
> > > The budget is around 2k shekels.
> > > Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
> > >
> > > TIA
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Re: Where to buy a Linux based desktop in Israel?

[Shay Gover]

Why not install yourself? use mint distro.

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 22:49 Dimid Duchovny  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm looking to buy a desktop computer with Linux pre-installed for a
> couple of senior citizens. I'd usually buy a generic PC and install myself,
> but now due to the coronavirus that's not an option.
> The main uses are web browsing and skype/zoom. Looking for a stable distro
> and long term support (e.g. the latest Ubuntu LTS). The hardware needs to
> work out-of-the-box.
> Specification wish list:
> 512GB SSD
> 16GB RAM
> A high-quality case and PSU (preferably 80+ gold)
> Webcam
>
> The budget is around 2k shekels.
> Are there any Israeli retailers that sell such configurations?
>
> TIA
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