Re: [neonixie-l] whats the life of the Burroughs HB-106

[liam bartosiewicz]

Fairly certain that all HB-106’s are standard life. You could probably get 
somewhere around 10,000 hours with a “new” one.

> On Apr 5, 2024, at 7:55 PM, David  wrote:
> 
> The truly long-life tubes had mercury added. If you see a hazy purple glow 
> when the tube is lit, it's long life. Solid orange is not so long life. 
> 
> 
> David Forbes, Tucson AZ
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2024, at 6:45 PM, Jasper nagle  wrote:
>> 
>> i picked 9 of these up for $90 $10 a pcs for A clock project, and iv'e 
>> tried searching all the data sheets about them the most i can find is one 
>> stating long life, but long life in 1955 i would assume wouldn't compare 
>> well to like a 1960 one ? 
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Re: [neonixie-l] whats the life of the Burroughs HB-106

[David]

The truly long-life tubes had mercury added. If you see a hazy purple glow when 
the tube is lit, it's long life. Solid orange is not so long life. 


David Forbes, Tucson AZ

> On Apr 5, 2024, at 6:45 PM, Jasper nagle  wrote:
> 
> i picked 9 of these up for $90 $10 a pcs for A clock project, and iv'e tried 
> searching all the data sheets about them the most i can find is one stating 
> long life, but long life in 1955 i would assume wouldn't compare well to like 
> a 1960 one ? 

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Re: [neonixie-l] whats the life of the Burroughs HB-106

[Peter Hall]

Sorry you were Burrows,thi s was National.FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube On 6 Apr 2024 10:37 am, Peter Hall  wrote:The Tube that started "Nixie"Yes???.Please delete if ive done,wrong , copy and pasteing,ectHB-106The HB-106 is many firsts:It is the first modern Nixie tube.Unlike previous tubes from National Union, this tube has an anode grid that makes driving the tubes much easier and more reliable.It is the first tube with the B13B base, which was subsequently used by many tubes made in many countries.It is the tube that defined the word ‘Nixie’, which was a trademark of the Burroughs corporation.FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube On 6 Apr 2024 9:45 am, Jasper nagle  wrote:i picked 9 of these up for $90 $10 a pcs for A clock project, and iv'e tried searching all the data sheets about them the most i can find is one stating long life, but long life in 1955 i would assume wouldn't compare well to like a 1960 one ?



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Re: [neonixie-l] whats the life of the Burroughs HB-106

[Peter Hall]

The Tube that started "Nixie"Yes???.Please delete if ive done,wrong , copy and pasteing,ectHB-106The HB-106 is many firsts:It is the first modern Nixie tube.Unlike previous tubes from National Union, this tube has an anode grid that makes driving the tubes much easier and more reliable.It is the first tube with the B13B base, which was subsequently used by many tubes made in many countries.It is the tube that defined the word ‘Nixie’, which was a trademark of the Burroughs corporation.FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube On 6 Apr 2024 9:45 am, Jasper nagle  wrote:i picked 9 of these up for $90 $10 a pcs for A clock project, and iv'e tried searching all the data sheets about them the most i can find is one stating long life, but long life in 1955 i would assume wouldn't compare well to like a 1960 one ?



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[neonixie-l] Re: whats the life of the Burroughs HB-106

[J Forbes]

70 years, so far



On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 6:45:47 PM UTC-7 Jasper nagle wrote:

> i picked 9 of these up for $90 $10 a pcs for A clock project, and iv'e 
> tried searching all the data sheets about them the most i can find is one 
> stating long life, but long life in 1955 i would assume wouldn't compare 
> well to like a 1960 one ?

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[neonixie-l] whats the life of the Burroughs HB-106

[Jasper nagle]

i picked 9 of these up for $90 $10 a pcs for A clock project, and iv'e 
tried searching all the data sheets about them the most i can find is one 
stating long life, but long life in 1955 i would assume wouldn't compare 
well to like a 1960 one ?

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Re: [neonixie-l] Replacing vintage AC cord

[Nick Andrews]

If you want a permanently attached cord,  you could cut the rectangular end
off an IEC cord and install it with the strain relief.

The fuse holder should be easy to find.

On Fri, Apr 5, 2024, 3:51 PM Mac Doktor  wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who replied, here or privately. I have a lot to
> consider now.
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2024, at 12:13 PM, gregebert  wrote:
>
> I've had battles with some of the strain-reliefs in the past. If they dont
> break coming out, they often will when going back in so best to get some
> spares if you can.
>
>
> This one survived. It came out surprisingly easily.
>
>
> I'm not sure who adopted the IEC power connectors first, but they deserve
> a Nobel prize in my opinion.
>
>
> I've laid in a supply of the earlier cords with the funky connector. The
> ones uses by HP etc. They work well but they're getting pretty scare and
> it's really hard to find ones with the polarity "un-reversed". And then
> there are the sockets that have broken. The insulator is a flimsy piece of
> phenolic.
>
> The less said about CD jewel cases the better. The most in-your-face
> obsolescent thing ever foisted on the public.
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
> “We’ve arranged a society on science and technology in which nobody
> understands anything about science and technology, and this combustible
> mixture of ignorance and power sooner or later is going to blow up in
> our faces. I mean, who is running the science and technology in a democracy
> if the people don’t know anything about it.”—Carl Sagan to Charlie Rose,
> May 27, 1996 (Sagan's last interview)
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Re: [neonixie-l] Replacing vintage AC cord

[Mac Doktor]

Thanks to everyone who replied, here or privately. I have a lot to consider now.


> On Apr 5, 2024, at 12:13 PM, gregebert  wrote:
> 
> I've had battles with some of the strain-reliefs in the past. If they dont 
> break coming out, they often will when going back in so best to get some 
> spares if you can.

This one survived. It came out surprisingly easily.


> I'm not sure who adopted the IEC power connectors first, but they deserve a 
> Nobel prize in my opinion.

I've laid in a supply of the earlier cords with the funky connector. The ones 
uses by HP etc. They work well but they're getting pretty scare and it's really 
hard to find ones with the polarity "un-reversed". And then there are the 
sockets that have broken. The insulator is a flimsy piece of phenolic.

The less said about CD jewel cases the better. The most in-your-face 
obsolescent thing ever foisted on the public.


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

https://www.astarcloseup.com

“We’ve arranged a society on science and technology in which nobody understands 
anything about science and technology, and this combustible mixture of 
ignorance and power sooner or later is going to blow up in our faces. I mean, 
who is running the science and technology in a democracy if the people don’t 
know anything about it.”—Carl Sagan to Charlie Rose, May 27, 1996 (Sagan's last 
interview)

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Re: [neonixie-l] Replacing vintage AC cord

[gregebert]

I've had battles with some of the strain-reliefs in the past. If they dont 
break coming out, they often will when going back in so best to get some 
spares if you can.

I'm not sure who adopted the IEC power connectors first, but they deserve a 
Nobel prize in my opinion.

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 12:57:00 AM UTC-7 Toby Thain wrote:

> On 2024-04-04 9:55 p.m., Mac Doktor wrote:
> > I bought a Systron-Donner counter from eBay a few months back. Naturally 
> > the cord was chopped off and the fuse cap removed.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm having trouble finding a suitable replacement.  It amounts to three 
> > conductor zip cord. I know I'm not going find the original stuff, at 
> > least not at a price mortals can afford.
>
> Suitable 3 wire cords with North American plug are available at Digikey 
> and Mouser, unless I'm misunderstanding the type you need. I even found 
> a coiled one to replace a similar one on a Tektronix 602 that was 
> wearing out.
>
> --Toby
>
> > 
> > 
> > Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> > "The Mac Doctor"
> > 
> > https://www.astarcloseup.com 
> > 
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> > it said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close 
> > up.”—Carl Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night",/Cosmos/, 1980
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Re: [neonixie-l] Replacing vintage AC cord

[Craig Smuda]

SPT-2 or SPT-3 might also be close in the 3-conductor variant as at 
https://www.awcwire.com/power-cable-and-portable-cord/spt-3
On Apr 4, 2024, 9:23 PM -0500, Craig Smuda , wrote:
> Not exactly what you want but Sundial Wire has 3-conductor options that might 
> look quite good: https://sundialwire.com/collections/3-conductor-wire
> On Apr 4, 2024, 8:55 PM -0500, Mac Doktor , wrote:
> > I bought a Systron-Donner counter from eBay a few months back. Naturally 
> > the cord was chopped off and the fuse cap removed.
> >
> > 
> >
> > I'm having trouble finding a suitable replacement.  It amounts to three 
> > conductor zip cord. I know I'm not going find the original stuff, at least 
> > not at a price mortals can afford.
> >
> >
> > Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> > "The Mac Doctor"
> >
> > https://www.astarcloseup.com
> >
> > “...the book said something astonishing, a very big thought. The stars, it 
> > said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl 
> > Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", Cosmos, 1980
> >
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Re: [neonixie-l] Replacing vintage AC cord

[Craig Smuda]

Not exactly what you want but Sundial Wire has 3-conductor options that might 
look quite good: https://sundialwire.com/collections/3-conductor-wire
On Apr 4, 2024, 8:55 PM -0500, Mac Doktor , wrote:
> I bought a Systron-Donner counter from eBay a few months back. Naturally the 
> cord was chopped off and the fuse cap removed.
>
> 
>
> I'm having trouble finding a suitable replacement.  It amounts to three 
> conductor zip cord. I know I'm not going find the original stuff, at least 
> not at a price mortals can afford.
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>
> “...the book said something astonishing, a very big thought. The stars, it 
> said, were suns but very far away. The Sun was a star but close up.”—Carl 
> Sagan, "The Backbone Of Night", Cosmos, 1980
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Anyone want to collaborate on electroluminescent display projects ?

[Paul Andrew Lafranchise]

Opto-triacs seemed to work fine for my segment driver setup (which I think
is essentially the same as Richard's). I would also be interested in the
details of the power supply you put together. The Adafruit "blue" EL power
supply  I used
is essentially a black (blue?  :-)) box and I'd love to replace it with
something I understand better and have built myself.

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 9:08 PM Richard Scales 
wrote:

> I have a board which drives the displays just fine, opt triacs which I
> drive from a PIC using the B-7971 Smart Socket code (slightly modified) and
> i have had great success using the 'blue' EL power supply from Adafruit (I
> think that's where they came from - I bought a bag of them).
>
> For the sake of doing it right I would be interested in some of your HV EL
> power supplies - I am broadly assuming that the will perform better than
> what I have used so far.
>  - Richard
>
> On Monday 1 April 2024 at 23:24:17 UTC+1 gregebert wrote:
>
>> Right now it looks like there will be 3 different PCB's: One for the HV
>> power supply, one for a single I-95, and another for 2-4 IEL-0-IV (I havn't
>> sized the board yet, but it needs to be less than 4" per side). I use a
>> modular design approach, and everything is connected with a 10-pin
>> ribbon-cable serial bus I call IOLINK. So if you are willing to adapt your
>> favorite controller to the IOLINK interface, which uses 12V signalling (2
>> inputs, 5 outputs), these boards will be workable for you.
>>
>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:59:59 AM UTC-7 Keith Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I am interested but not much help with the design. I'd love to use my
>>> displays though.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 1:43:24 PM UTC-4 gregebert wrote:
>>>
 I'm finally at the point I have time to work on a design for my
 Soviet-era electroluminescent displays. I have 2 types, the smaller
 IEL-0-IV, and a much larger I-195. Both are the 'alien' style formats, and
 will make unusual clocks.

 I have done some very initial testing on the smaller one, and it
 appears to be burning the phosphor after just a few hours of usage. It's
 not lit very bright, so I dont know if this is a common burn-in phase, or
 not. Documentation is pretty limited, and I've been running a 50-page
 document page-by-page thru google translate; so far nothing has come up
 regarding burn-in.

 If anyone out there is working-on IEL's, or planning-to do so, please
 chime in so we can start a discussion here.

 [image: electrolum.jpg]

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Re: [neonixie-l] eBay B-7971

[Clarke Payne]

I dropped out at 60 each.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 1:21 AM Peter Hall  wrote:

> I went too $75 aussie,each...hope he has a win
>
> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
>
> On 3 Apr 2024 12:18 am, Robert  wrote:
>
> Did anyone here buy them?
>
> Rob
>
> On 27 Mar 2024, at 12:37, Michail Wilson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Careful.
>
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/196312588768
>
>
>
> I asked…
>
> Have you done any testing? Example with a plasma ball? Visible cracks? You
> willing to accept returns if they don’t work if opened and tested on video?
>
>
>
> His response was:
>
> *Can you please Read? Not tested! UNTESTED! AS IS for display ONLY and
> Absolutely no return. For parts or not working.*
>
>
>
>
>
> I was hoping he would at least check for cracks, but instead he added text
> to his auction saying…
>
> Final Sale and NO Returns. Tubes are for display ONLY in Untested
> condition.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michail
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Re: [neonixie-l] Who bought (almost) all of the fraction tubes?

[Snow John]

Later you will see a guy selling these tubes with super price , as usual

Peter Hall  于2024年4月3日周三 16:34写道：

> He was a smart man...I still regret only buying 4
> Normally you only get ,1 or 2 fractionsthose tubes
> 3/87/161/29/165/811/16.Nice...
>
> FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube
>
> On 3 Apr 2024 4:23 pm, Audrey  wrote:
>
> Ask him why he needed all of them and not just a couple 藍
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 4:22 AM xuhui zeng  wrote:
>
> My friend bought them. He was particularly interested in this strange
> nixie tube.
>
> 在2024年2月21日星期三 UTC+8 10:27:16 写道：
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2024, at 9:13 PM, Peter Hall  wrote:
>
> Yes I bought 2 off the upside down tubes... Beautiful fractions..As you
> mentioned,Sundenly all 50+ were sold and another 50+ were sold as
> well...Glad I bought another 2...
>
>
> I was going to buy another one after he combined the shipping but it was
> too late.
>
> Now I have to figure out how to display it upside down.
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
>
> https://www.astarcloseup.com
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> "If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes."—Roy Batty, *Blade
> Runner*
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Re: [neonixie-l] Who bought (almost) all of the fraction tubes?

[zeng]

He said that when he saw it for the first time in so many years, he bought 
it all.

在2024年4月3日星期三 UTC+8 16:24:09 写道：

> Ask him why he needed all of them and not just a couple 藍
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024, 4:22 AM xuhui zeng  wrote:
>
>> My friend bought them. He was particularly interested in this strange 
>> nixie tube.
>>
>> 在2024年2月21日星期三 UTC+8 10:27:16 写道：
>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2024, at 9:13 PM, Peter Hall  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes I bought 2 off the upside down tubes... Beautiful fractions..As you 
>>> mentioned,Sundenly all 50+ were sold and another 50+ were sold as 
>>> well...Glad I bought another 2...
>>>
>>>
>>> I was going to buy another one after he combined the shipping but it was 
>>> too late. 
>>>
>>> Now I have to figure out how to display it upside down.
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
>>> "The Mac Doctor"
>>>
>>> https://www.astarcloseup.com
>>>
>>> "If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes."—Roy Batty, *Blade 
>>> Runner*
>>>
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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Anyone want to collaborate on electroluminescent display projects ?

[Michail Wilson]

That is the type of burn in I have experienced as well.
Not just on the small one you have, but on the various sizes.

Michail Wilson
206-920-6312

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
gregebert
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 11:23 AM
To: neonixie-l 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Anyone want to collaborate on electroluminescent 
display projects ?

There are some on Ebay right now (I have no affiliation with the seller). Do a  
search for IEL-0. I suggest shopping around for awhile to get the best price. 
I'm a bit nervous about the IEL-0-IV displays. After 10 days of basic testing, 
my test device has noticeable burning, though I cant confirm if the luminous 
output has dropped. I need to build a photometer and do more testing. Prior to 
using it, the entire screen was the same color.

[cid:image001.jpg@01DA8507.FF65FC30]

On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 8:46:06 AM UTC-7 Nick Andrews wrote:
Has anyone seen any of these for sale in the last few years?  I'd be interested 
in the project if I had some!

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024, 5:24 PM gregebert  wrote:
Right now it looks like there will be 3 different PCB's: One for the HV power 
supply, one for a single I-95, and another for 2-4 IEL-0-IV (I havn't sized the 
board yet, but it needs to be less than 4" per side). I use a modular design 
approach, and everything is connected with a 10-pin ribbon-cable serial bus I 
call IOLINK. So if you are willing to adapt your favorite controller to the 
IOLINK interface, which uses 12V signalling (2 inputs, 5 outputs), these boards 
will be workable for you.
On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 7:59:59 AM UTC-7 Keith Moore wrote:
I am interested but not much help with the design. I'd love to use my displays 
though.
On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 1:43:24 PM UTC-4 gregebert wrote:
I'm finally at the point I have time to work on a design for my Soviet-era 
electroluminescent displays. I have 2 types, the smaller IEL-0-IV, and a much 
larger I-195. Both are the 'alien' style formats, and will make unusual clocks.

I have done some very initial testing on the smaller one, and it appears to be 
burning the phosphor after just a few hours of usage. It's not lit very bright, 
so I dont know if this is a common burn-in phase, or not. Documentation is 
pretty limited, and I've been running a 50-page document page-by-page thru 
google translate; so far nothing has come up regarding burn-in.

If anyone out there is working-on IEL's, or planning-to do so, please chime in 
so we can start a discussion here.

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Re: [neonixie-l] eBay B-7971

[Peter Hall]

O" I am so Sorry Andrew..forgive us Rookies..I thought we supposed too answer questions...Its what I see on most posts.Going in many directions...I've retramanded myself and will Strickly stick to the SubjectSorry Everyone,Sorry Moderator Unfortunately, I am handicapped in certain things樂FromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube On 5 Apr 2024 2:52 am, Paul Andrews  wrote:Seems like this is off-topic/cross posted?On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 1:21:50 AM UTC-4 Peter Hall wrote:I went too $75 aussie,each...hope he has a winFromPeter Hall insidiousnixies輦Utube On 3 Apr 2024 12:18 am, Robert  wrote:Did anyone here buy them?RobOn 27 Mar 2024, at 12:37, Michail Wilson  wrote:







Careful.
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/196312588768
 
I asked…
Have you done any testing? Example with a plasma ball? Visible cracks? You willing to accept returns if they don’t work if opened and tested on video?
 
His response was:
Can you please Read? Not tested! UNTESTED! AS IS for display ONLY and Absolutely no return. For parts or not working.
 
 
I was hoping he would at least check for cracks, but instead he added text to his auction saying…
Final Sale and NO Returns. Tubes are for display ONLY in Untested condition.
 
 
Michail






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