Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Discussion of xfce desktop task for d-i

2009-04-04 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Fri,03.Apr.09, 20:31:45, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I was wondering what happened to the discussion of what was going to be
 included in the desktop task for xfce (in d-i tasksel), as I had seen
 that it was supposed to head to this list, but I wasn't on the list at
 the point and I can't seem to find the discussion in the archives.

I promised to send a summary here, but for some unknown (PEBKAC) 
reason I only sent it to Yves. Here it is:

On Wed,18.Mar.09, 23:04:25, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:

 Andrei, could you please post a summary to pkg-xfce mailing list, with
 what you think would be nice to have or nice to not have on the xfce
 task?

Ok, so here is a summary for those not reading debian-boot.

After a recent install with desktop=xfce I found some pieces missing and
others a bit unexpected. Here is my very personal opinion on this.

1. No icon on the desktop for removable drives due to missing 'hal'. I
understand this is pending so probably doesn't need more discussion.

2. GUI package manager: I prefer aptitude for myself, but a GUI one is
definitely necessary and synaptic is the obvious choice (at least until
aptitude-gtk is ready, when the discussion can be reopened)

3. IM client: my first thought was pidgin, but seeing that it wants to
install 20 additional packages I reconsidered. After a quick search I
found ayttm, which at the first glance seems quite usable.

(edit: one quirk about ayttm is that you can't write to people who are 
offline, even if that person is in fact only invisible and just 
wrote you something. I'll file a bug.)

4. Document viewer: epdfview makes a good pdf viewer. OTOH, evince-gtk
supports additional formats (ps, eps, djvu and dvi)...

5. Image viewer: my personal preference is gpicview. Xavier Oswald
suggested mirage which could also be an option. Ristretto is currently 
not very usable, IMHO, but this could change.

6. Image editor: gimp is installed by default, but is seems a bit heavy
to me (well, at least having an image viewer will mean it's not opened
by default if I double-click an image) and would suggest something like
gpaint.

(edit: it seems the default for KDE is kolourpaint, which according to 
the description is (much?) simpler than Gimp)

7. Productivity: openoffice.org is pulled by the generic Desktop task
(AFAICT). For me personally this is a bit heavy an I would rather only
have Abiword+Gnumeric.

and a point raised by Yves-Alexis:

8. www browser:

 One stuff I'll have to think about, too, is the browser. I'd be glad to
 drop iceweasel for midori once webkit is stabilized (especially since
 midori is now officially some kind of an xfce project) but maybe the
 user expects iceweasel to be there on a desktop task. That or we could
 drop it from the desktop task and let every *-task define the preferred
 brother (epiphany/konqueror/midori/=E2=80=A6)

(edit: AFAICT KDE and Gnome are using Konqueror and Epiphany by default, 
even if Iceweasel is present)

I've been experimenting with midori from time to time, but unfortunately
it is very unstable, crashing randomly. I would not miss iceweasel too
much, except for the vimperator extension ;)

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] xfconf override disparity

2009-04-04 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 01:20:28AM +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
 On ven, 2009-04-03 at 23:02 +, Debian Installer wrote:
  There are disparities between your recently accepted upload and the
  override file for the following file(s):
  
  libxfconf-0-2-dbg_4.6.0-3_amd64.deb: package says section is debug, 
  override says libs.
  libxfconf-0-2_4.6.0-3_amd64.deb: package says section is xfce, override 
  says libs.
  libxfconf-0-dev_4.6.0-3_amd64.deb: package says section is xfce, override 
  says libdevel.
[...]
 -dbg package is debug indeed. I'm not sure about libxfconf and
 libxfconf-dev. Should them be in xfce or in libs?

libs and libdevel are correct.

Gruesse,
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[Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#522517: xfce4-systemload-plugin: Not showing an memory or swap usage anymore

2009-04-04 Thread Frank Lanitz
Package: xfce4-systemload-plugin
Version: 0.4.2-2
Severity: normal


With update to new kernel and XFCE 4.6 it appears the plugin is not
showing the usage of memory and wap anymore. 

-- System Information:
Debian Release: squeeze/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.29-1-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

Versions of packages xfce4-systemload-plugin depends on:
ii  libatk1.0-0   1.24.0-2   The ATK accessibility toolkit
ii  libc6 2.9-6  GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libcairo2 1.8.6-2+b1 The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra
ii  libglib2.0-0  2.20.0-2   The GLib library of C routines
ii  libgtk2.0-0   2.16.0-1   The GTK+ graphical user interface 
ii  libpango1.0-0 1.24.0-2   Layout and rendering of internatio
ii  libxfce4util4 4.6.0-2Utility functions library for Xfce
ii  libxfcegui4-4 4.6.0-2Basic GUI C functions for Xfce4
ii  xfce4-panel   4.6.0-2The Xfce4 desktop environment pane

xfce4-systemload-plugin recommends no packages.

xfce4-systemload-plugin suggests no packages.

-- no debconf information



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Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] mousepad override disparity

2009-04-04 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On sam, 2009-04-04 at 00:17 +, Debian Installer wrote:
 mousepad_0.2.16-2_amd64.deb: package says section is xfce, override
 says editors.
 
 
 Please note that a list of new sections were recently added to the
 archive: cli-mono, database, debug, fonts, gnu-r, gnustep, haskell,
 httpd, java, kernel, lisp, localization, ocaml, php, ruby, vcs, video,
 xfce, zope.  At this time a script was used to reclassify packages
 into
 these sections.  If this is the case, please only reply to this email
 if
 the new section is inappropriate, otherwise please update your package
 at the next upload.
 
 Either the package or the override file is incorrect.  If you think
 the override is correct and the package wrong please fix the package
 so that this disparity is fixed in the next upload.  If you feel the
 override is incorrect then please reply to this mail and explain why.
 Please INCLUDE the list of packages as seen above, or we won't be able
 to deal with your mail due to missing information.

Hey, mousepad is xfce section too, could you change the override then?
Thanks in advance :)

Cheers,
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[Pkg-xfce-devel] Processed: notfound 487311 in 0.4.1-1

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Bug#487311: xfburn: limits volume label to 13 chars (MS-DOS length) rather than 
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[Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#522303: Bug#522303: tagging 522303

2009-04-04 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On ven, 2009-04-03 at 22:49 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
 # Automatically generated email from bts, devscripts version 2.10.35lenny3
 # I cant reproduce this with the unstable version, but I have had this 
 problem before and been unable to reproduce it, so I dont know if it is 
 solved or merely intermittent, therfore tagging unreproducible but leaving 
 open
 tags 522303 + unreproducible

Thanks for testing. Please report back any problem (or lack of) so we
can investigate more if you can, or close it if there's no problem in a
while.

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Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Discussion of xfce desktop task for d-i

2009-04-04 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On sam, 2009-04-04 at 11:01 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:

 1. No icon on the desktop for removable drives due to missing 'hal'. I
 understand this is pending so probably doesn't need more discussion.

Yes, Squeeze Xfce desktop will definitely bring hal.
 
 2. GUI package manager: I prefer aptitude for myself, but a GUI one is
 definitely necessary and synaptic is the obvious choice (at least until
 aptitude-gtk is ready, when the discussion can be reopened)

I'm not really against a package manager in the default install, I'm
just don't sure if it should be in desktop or xfce-desktop. Is there a
KDE package manager? Because there is no xfce specific package manager
(well, besides xfce4-smartpm-plugin which is not yet uploaded and may
never be)
 
 3. IM client: my first thought was pidgin, but seeing that it wants to
 install 20 additional packages I reconsidered. After a quick search I
 found ayttm, which at the first glance seems quite usable.

Yeah, a default install kind-of require that, agreed. Pidgin is nice and
doesn't require that many packages. But it requires gconf so it's not
really a good idea (though we already use gdm in that install, so we
already have it :/)
 
 (edit: one quirk about ayttm is that you can't write to people who are 
 offline, even if that person is in fact only invisible and just 
 wrote you something. I'll file a bug.)
 
 4. Document viewer: epdfview makes a good pdf viewer. OTOH, evince-gtk
 supports additional formats (ps, eps, djvu and dvi)...

evince-gtk is gone (the only rationale for evince-gtk was to drop the
dep on libgnome, which evince has not anymore, but it still depends on
libgnome-keyring and gconf). For me I'd prefer epdfview, even if it's a
bit rhough.
 
 5. Image viewer: my personal preference is gpicview. Xavier Oswald
 suggested mirage which could also be an option. Ristretto is currently 
 not very usable, IMHO, but this could change.

Could you retry the 0.21 version in unstable (and maybe report the bugs
we talked about upstream). Mirage is nice but ristretto (which started
as a mirage fork iirc) is an Xfce project, so it'd be consistent. 
 
 6. Image editor: gimp is installed by default, but is seems a bit heavy
 to me (well, at least having an image viewer will mean it's not opened
 by default if I double-click an image) and would suggest something like
 gpaint.
 
 (edit: it seems the default for KDE is kolourpaint, which according to 
 the description is (much?) simpler than Gimp)

But gimp is brought by the desktop task, not by xfce-desktop task.
 
 7. Productivity: openoffice.org is pulled by the generic Desktop task
 (AFAICT). For me personally this is a bit heavy an I would rather only
 have Abiword+Gnumeric.

But abiword and gnumeric are gnome apps, they'll bring to many stuff I
guess.
 
 and a point raised by Yves-Alexis:
 
 8. www browser:
 
  One stuff I'll have to think about, too, is the browser. I'd be glad to
  drop iceweasel for midori once webkit is stabilized (especially since
  midori is now officially some kind of an xfce project) but maybe the
  user expects iceweasel to be there on a desktop task. That or we could
  drop it from the desktop task and let every *-task define the preferred
  brother (epiphany/konqueror/midori/=E2=80=A6)
 
 (edit: AFAICT KDE and Gnome are using Konqueror and Epiphany by default, 
 even if Iceweasel is present)

So I guess we could add midori to the list (and make it the default
where possible), but still keep iceweasel in the desktop task.

Cheers,
-- 
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Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Discussion of xfce desktop task for d-i

2009-04-04 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On ven, 2009-04-03 at 20:31 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I was wondering what happened to the discussion of what was going to be
 included in the desktop task for xfce (in d-i tasksel), as I had seen
 that it was supposed to head to this list, but I wasn't on the list at
 the point and I can't seem to find the discussion in the archives.
 
Something which can help on this is:
http://wiki.xfce.org/de/recommendedapps

Cheers,
-- 
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[Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#522517: Bug#522517: xfce4-systemload-plugin: Not showing an memory or swap usage anymore

2009-04-04 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
tag 522517 confirmed
thanks
On sam, 2009-04-04 at 13:29 +0200, Frank Lanitz wrote:
 
 
 With update to new kernel and XFCE 4.6 it appears the plugin is not
 showing the usage of memory and wap anymore. 

Definitely :) I'll report upstream, stay tuned.
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[Pkg-xfce-devel] Processed: Re: Bug#522517: Bug#522517: xfce4-systemload-plugin: Not showing an memory or swap usage anymore

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[Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#522517: Bug#522517: Bug#522517: xfce4-systemload-plugin: Not showing an memory or swap usage anymore

2009-04-04 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
tag 522517 -confirmed
thanks
On sam, 2009-04-04 at 14:30 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
  
  With update to new kernel and XFCE 4.6 it appears the plugin is not
  showing the usage of memory and wap anymore. 
 
 Definitely :) I'll report upstream, stay tuned.

Uh, oh, wait. No. In fact it works fine, I just had too fee swap used so
it didn't appear on the progressbar. But it works fine.

Even tooltips don't show anything?

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[Pkg-xfce-devel] Processing of thunar-volman_0.3.80-2_amd64.changes

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[Pkg-xfce-devel] thunar-volman_0.3.80-2_amd64.changes ACCEPTED

2009-04-04 Thread Debian Installer

Accepted:
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Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Discussion of xfce desktop task for d-i

2009-04-04 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sat,04.Apr.09, 14:29:43, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
 
  2. GUI package manager: I prefer aptitude for myself, but a GUI one is
  definitely necessary and synaptic is the obvious choice (at least until
  aptitude-gtk is ready, when the discussion can be reopened)
 
 I'm not really against a package manager in the default install, I'm
 just don't sure if it should be in desktop or xfce-desktop. Is there a
 KDE package manager? Because there is no xfce specific package manager
 (well, besides xfce4-smartpm-plugin which is not yet uploaded and may
 never be)
 
KDE has kpackage.

  3. IM client: my first thought was pidgin, but seeing that it wants to
  install 20 additional packages I reconsidered. After a quick search I
  found ayttm, which at the first glance seems quite usable.
 
 Yeah, a default install kind-of require that, agreed. Pidgin is nice and
 doesn't require that many packages. But it requires gconf so it's not
 really a good idea (though we already use gdm in that install, so we
 already have it :/)

What do you think about ayttm?
 
  (edit: one quirk about ayttm is that you can't write to people who are 
  offline, even if that person is in fact only invisible and just 
  wrote you something. I'll file a bug.)

#522498

  4. Document viewer: epdfview makes a good pdf viewer. OTOH, evince-gtk
  supports additional formats (ps, eps, djvu and dvi)...
 
 evince-gtk is gone (the only rationale for evince-gtk was to drop the
 dep on libgnome, which evince has not anymore, but it still depends on
 libgnome-keyring and gconf). For me I'd prefer epdfview, even if it's a
 bit rhough.

It's fine with me, I just wanted to point out that some formats not 
unusual on Linux (.ps and .dvi) are not supported.

  5. Image viewer: my personal preference is gpicview. Xavier Oswald
  suggested mirage which could also be an option. Ristretto is currently 
  not very usable, IMHO, but this could change.
 
 Could you retry the 0.21 version in unstable (and maybe report the bugs
 we talked about upstream). Mirage is nice but ristretto (which started
 as a mirage fork iirc) is an Xfce project, so it'd be consistent. 

I'm running 4.6 since a few hours ;) The could not open file message 
is gone, but all other points are still valid, even if they are only 
related to usability. I'll file whishlist bugs upstream when I get 
around it.

  6. Image editor: gimp is installed by default, but is seems a bit heavy
  to me (well, at least having an image viewer will mean it's not opened
  by default if I double-click an image) and would suggest something like
  gpaint.
  
  (edit: it seems the default for KDE is kolourpaint, which according to 
  the description is (much?) simpler than Gimp)
 
 But gimp is brought by the desktop task, not by xfce-desktop task.

Yes, together with iceweasel and openoffice.org :/ Do you think people 
would oppose removing the stuff from the desktop task and let every DE 
chose for itself?

  7. Productivity: openoffice.org is pulled by the generic Desktop task
  (AFAICT). For me personally this is a bit heavy an I would rather only
  have Abiword+Gnumeric.
 
 But abiword and gnumeric are gnome apps, they'll bring to many stuff I
 guess.

More than the entire OpenOffice.org?

  and a point raised by Yves-Alexis:
  
  8. www browser:
  
   One stuff I'll have to think about, too, is the browser. I'd be glad to
   drop iceweasel for midori once webkit is stabilized (especially since
   midori is now officially some kind of an xfce project) but maybe the
   user expects iceweasel to be there on a desktop task. That or we could
   drop it from the desktop task and let every *-task define the preferred
   brother (epiphany/konqueror/midori/=E2=80=A6)
  
  (edit: AFAICT KDE and Gnome are using Konqueror and Epiphany by default, 
  even if Iceweasel is present)
 
 So I guess we could add midori to the list (and make it the default
 where possible), but still keep iceweasel in the desktop task.

Sounds ok. Maybe midori will get more audience this way (which might 
help fix some bugs).

BTW, how can I make a useful bugreport about the random crashes I've 
seen?

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Discussion of xfce desktop task for d-i

2009-04-04 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On sam, 2009-04-04 at 19:27 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
   3. IM client: my first thought was pidgin, but seeing that it wants to
   install 20 additional packages I reconsidered. After a quick search I
   found ayttm, which at the first glance seems quite usable.
  
  Yeah, a default install kind-of require that, agreed. Pidgin is nice and
  doesn't require that many packages. But it requires gconf so it's not
  really a good idea (though we already use gdm in that install, so we
  already have it :/)
 
 What do you think about ayttm?

I just installed it, will try it and report.

 
   4. Document viewer: epdfview makes a good pdf viewer. OTOH, evince-gtk
   supports additional formats (ps, eps, djvu and dvi)...
  
  evince-gtk is gone (the only rationale for evince-gtk was to drop the
  dep on libgnome, which evince has not anymore, but it still depends on
  libgnome-keyring and gconf). For me I'd prefer epdfview, even if it's a
  bit rhough.
 
 It's fine with me, I just wanted to point out that some formats not 
 unusual on Linux (.ps and .dvi) are not supported.

Yes, but people usually needs a pdf viewer (which epdfview is) before a
multi-format preview app (like evince). Which can be installed if user
really needs it :)

 Yes, together with iceweasel and openoffice.org :/ Do you think people 
 would oppose removing the stuff from the desktop task and let every DE 
 chose for itself?

I don't think they would oppose strongly, it's just that the discussion
needs to happens elsewhere I guess (on the desktop list for example).

 
   7. Productivity: openoffice.org is pulled by the generic Desktop task
   (AFAICT). For me personally this is a bit heavy an I would rather only
   have Abiword+Gnumeric.
  
  But abiword and gnumeric are gnome apps, they'll bring to many stuff I
  guess.
 
 More than the entire OpenOffice.org?

More dependencies, yeah, maybe. And OO.o wether we like it or not, is
expected to be there on default office installs (a bit like iceweasel).
Remember that we speak of the default install, for the most users.
Advanced user can still (and I usually do like that) install manually.
Or remove the packages after install.

  So I guess we could add midori to the list (and make it the default
  where possible), but still keep iceweasel in the desktop task.
 
 Sounds ok. Maybe midori will get more audience this way (which might 
 help fix some bugs).

Yes, correct.
 
 BTW, how can I make a useful bugreport about the random crashes I've 
 seen?

We (pkg-xfce) don't maintain midori, so you can either report bugs on
the debian package, or directly report them on xfce bugzilla, which
should have a midori component.

Cheers,
-- 
Yves-Alexis


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Re: [Pkg-xfce-devel] Discussion of xfce desktop task for d-i

2009-04-04 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On sam, 2009-04-04 at 18:39 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
  What do you think about ayttm?
 
 I just installed it, will try it and report.

I find it really ugly, and not really intuitive. I usually use pidgin,
gajim or empathy which are way nicer (but have all their problems which
make them not really suitable for xfce-desktop task.

CHeers,
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[Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#522517: Bug#522517: Bug#522517: xfce4-systemload-plugin: Not showing an memory or swap usage anymore

2009-04-04 Thread Frank Lanitz
On Sat, April 4, 2009 12:41 pm, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
 tag 522517 -confirmed
 thanks
 On sam, 2009-04-04 at 14:30 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
 
  With update to new kernel and XFCE 4.6 it appears the plugin is not
  showing the usage of memory and wap anymore.

 Definitely :) I'll report upstream, stay tuned.

 Uh, oh, wait. No. In fact it works fine, I just had too fee swap used so
 it didn't appear on the progressbar. But it works fine.

I only got one normal swap here. But there are 4GB of RAM inside the machine.

 Even tooltips don't show anything?

No tooltip at all when moving mouse over.

Cheers,
Frank




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