[RBW] Re: Recommend me a ride in Marin or nearby?

[Bill Lindsay]

Here's the ride I did yesterday in Marin.  I edited it just now to move the 
Start/Finish a few miles away from my front door:

Ridge Trail Fondo · Ride with GPS <https://ridewithgps.com/routes/46968304>

The offroad section in the middle was quite strenuous.  IT kicked my butt.  
I did it with drop bars and 55mm knobbies and no shocks and it was 
definitely underbiking in a few sections.  All the other bikes on the 
trails were full-on mountain bikes: analog and e-bikes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, June 9, 2024 at 11:15:01 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> My son wants me to take him riding in Marin or the bay somewhere for a 
> day. He’s newly experimenting with riding a semi-loaded bikepacking rig in 
> anticipation of attempting a solo three day trip at the end of summer. He 
> is 15 (almost 16) and will be riding on a loaner VO Piolet. I will be 
> riding my older Atlantis set up with Super Yummy gravel tires. Any 
> recommendations of a pretty ride that’s not just all climbing or too 
> sketchy? My fitness level isn’t what his is. 
> You can reply directly if you choose.
>
> Thanks, Liz in Sac

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

I wanted to get my 3x1 up Diablo before all you 3x1 RoadUno riders have the 
chance!

Today I finished my 6th summit of Mount Diablo, on my 6th different bike. 
 I've summited Mount Diablo every month of 2024 (so far).  
This time it was on the RoadTrio, my version of a RoadUno 3x1 build.  In 
the last few shots I've been rounding out the 3x8 sport touring 
configuration.  Part of the rear end set up was to enable a quick change, 
and I did the quick change against the clock last night.  In under 5 
minutes I had it switched from 3x8 to 3x1.  I had also switched out the 
crankset to a very slightly different gear range: a 94mm BCD Ritchey 
crankset let me run 22/34/46 rings, instead of the 24/36/46 of the 110 BCD 
Ritchey crankset that had been there.  Whether that difference was critical 
for my ride today is debatable.  What is certain is that the 22x18, 31-inch 
gear was welcome.  

Even though I only had to shift like 5 times all day, this front end 
shifting is totally liquid, and while riding each gear rode silently like a 
single speed.  The White Industries ENO freewheel may be the best sounding 
freewheel ever (among freewheels that make a sound).  

I picked this day for my June summit because the temperatures swung low 
after our first hot-snap.  It was low 50s to mid 60s all morning, and maybe 
peeked into the 70s in the lowlands of Walnut Creek.  I took BART from home 
to the shadow of Mount Diablo, cutting the mileage down to ~52 miles and 
4950 ft of climbing.  The Romulus climbed and descended like an absolute 
champ.  I am extremely proud of my rack/bag/fender integration, and the 
handling even with a front load was great.  I was shocked at how well my 
knobby 700x26 Gravel Kings rode.  By looking at them it would be natural to 
assume they'd stink, but they were great.  After my summit I swung by Riv 
HQ and got the Will stamp of approval.   

Pics prove it:
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303336/in/dateposted/
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778627464/in/album-72177720313832831/
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778626719/in/album-72177720313832831/
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53778303561/in/dateposted/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:36:15 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
> triple up front. "
>
> If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
> pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
> time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
> objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
> 36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
> 120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
> Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
> any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
> gear choosing.  
>
> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
> O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
> derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
> that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
> encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
>> effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
>> front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without 
>> a IGH.
>>
>>
>>  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with 
>> spacers.
>>
>> Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 
>> 25% jump in back would be 15-19 (24%), 16-21 (27%), 17-22 (26%), 18-23 
>> (25%). An equivalent 41% jump in back would be 16-24 (41%), 17-25 (39%), 
>>  17-26 (42%), 18-27 (41%), 19-28 (39%), 19-29 (42%), 20-30 (41%), 21-31 
>> (39%), 21-32 (42%),  ...
>>
>> A very close equivalent to the 46-36-24 in front would be 15-19-28 in 
>> back. Pair that with a 44T chainring and you'd have 42-63-79 gear inches on 
>> 700x32C tires. At 22t of required chain wrap, take your pick of any rear 
>> derailer. I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a 
>> wide-range triple up front. Combine it with a compatible index shifter and 
>> you'll have a nice 3-speed externally geared hub. 
>>
>> If you were so inc

Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm already working on the mental aspects, and need to make sure my 
hydration strategy is sound.

BL in EC

On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 11:26:29 AM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> Good job, Bill!  Good luck on the Marin Mountains 200k.  That's way harder 
> than any 400k I've ridden.
>
> Toshi in Oakland, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Bill Lindsay]

In January I listed 7 S.M.A.R.T. goals and had completed 3 of them.  I 
finished another S.M.A.R.T. goal yesterday, and this one took some real 
determination and focus.  This one was to complete 25% of each individual 
city of Contra Costa County on Wandrer.earth.  The extra 
determination/effort was the act of curating a bunch of rides and doing a 
lot of driving to get to a ride out at the nether regions of my county. 
 The last city on the list was Antioch.  25% was the number because Wandrer 
gives a bonus at 25%, so that program of getting 25% of every city 
maximized my points and cements my #1 status for Contra Costa County.  I 
had been doing a kind of tug-of-war with one other rider who wanted to have 
that top spot.  This 25% goal was part of my "shock and awe" campaign to 
put my top-spot out of reach.  1 point on Wandrer represents 1 new-mile 
covered.  At the end of 2023, both me and "the challenger" were around 3000 
points in Contra Costa County.  Now that the "shock and awe" campaign is 
complete, the challenger is at 3200 points, and I'm at 7200 points, because 
of all the bonuses I've been racking up.  I wanted to get this done before 
the real summer heat kicked in, because the eastern/inland part of Contra 
Costa is where the >100 degree days are common.

The last three on my list are: 25% of Marin County, Finish the Marin 
Mountains 200k, and ride 10,000km.  Those are all still achievable.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 4:45:47 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> One of my 2024 goals is knocked down.  I stated the goal:
>
> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>
> I did my fifth summit of Diablo today on my fifth different bike.  Pics 
> prove it:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313832831/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:48:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism 
>> on how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. 
>> "average 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the 
>> specificity: i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>>
>> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
>> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
>> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
>> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
>> *something 
>> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a 
>> good thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny 
>> S.M.A.R.T. goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking 
>> W's.  
>>
>> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>>
>> 10,000km ridden
>> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
>> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
>> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
>> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
>> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
>> birthday as a regular event
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Touch-up paint

[Bill Lindsay]

The last several Rivendell Bicycle Works Owners Bunch posters have agreed 
with one another that beausage means lazy and neglectful usage of one's 
bicycle.  

That's a terrible misrepresentation of the meaning of beausage, in my 
humble opinion.  Useful objects are USELESS if they don't get used.  The 
USE is what makes them worth their own existence.  Beausage is the 
combination of two words: BEAUTY and USAGE.  Beausage means that the object 
looks like it has been used. That's all.  The idea is that a useful object 
that looks like it has been used is more beautiful than a similar useful 
object that looks like it hasn't been used.  Lazily neglecting ones bicycle 
is not beausage.  "Rat bike aesthetic" is not beausage.  Parking a bike 
outdoors for months, not riding and letting it rust is not beausage.  

If you've got the time and energy to disguise your used bike as an unused 
bike, and think that's beautiful, that's cool.  You do you.  
Those of us who keep our bikes mechanically and functionally perfecto, and 
don't mind that they look like they are actually ridden; we are not bike 
abusers.  There's room for both approaches in this little niche of the 
cycling world.  Some of us capture both approaches in a single stable. 
 (This guy). Both are valid.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Monday, June 3, 2024 at 10:15:47 AM UTC-7 george schick wrote:

> Yes, indeed!  Sometime last year on a blog about polishing Paul brake 
> parts Laing posted this comment: "...To me, patina is just another word for 
> lazy and not maintained. Beausage is another word for abused. Rusted is not 
> "original"..."  I couldn't agree more.
>
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2024 at 11:48:29 AM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Exactly  
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 8:20 AM Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah this has always been a weird bit of cognitive dissonance for me 
>>> when it comes to Riv — on the one hand, extolling the virtues of Joe Bell 
>>> paint jobs, fancy lugs, and other details. On the other, the whole 
>>> “beausage” schtick, and an almost cavalier attitude about touch-up paint, 
>>> dings, etc. I think the rat bike aesthetic works for a brand like Surly, 
>>> which has always leaned into a punk/street attitude, but with Riv it just 
>>> seems a bit off. My sense is that as a designer GP is kind of restless, 
>>> always looking ahead to new concepts and projects, and isn’t really 
>>> interested in dwelling on legacy products. Admirable in its way, but you’re 
>>> on your own when it comes to color matching. Even the naming is cryptic — 
>>> good luck sourcing Sergio Green or Ana Purple. Doesn’t seem like a big ask 
>>> to also supply the paint code.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2024, at 7:12 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting, this interaction between Riv and Testors. I'm sure a color 
>>> match could have been prepared especially for every Riv bike ever made...
>>> *except* ...that first batch of orange metal flake Rams.  Since it was 
>>> a two pass base coat/clear coat (which is the way ever automobile is 
>>> painted nowadays), it would take two bottles of touch up paint to repair 
>>> scratches.  And it would be very difficult to apply them in such a way that 
>>> they pretty much blend with the rest of the bike's paint.  At least one 
>>> poster on this blog some time ago had one of these Ram's that needed a 
>>> repair of some sort.  He took it to a shop where they repaired the frame 
>>> damage then stripped down all the paint and repainted it in the original 
>>> base/clear coat colors that Jim references from House of Kolor.  But that 
>>> must have cost a fortune.  A single can of those paints, which only come in 
>>> sizable containers - quarts, at least - which must be mixed with a reducer 
>>> and then sprayed.  Most painters would be reluctant to do this because 
>>> they'd have to pay a lot just to get the paints and then they'd be stuck 
>>> with a lot of leftovers.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>>> Over the years, Rivendell paint schemes come and go (came and went) 
>>>> seemingly 'who-knows-whoever-whenever' saw fit. Metallics, metal flakes, 
>>>> basic solid 'enamels' (for want of a better word). Ever changing. I can't 
>>>> imagine anyone in Walnut Creek grabbing a small bottle of carefully 
>>>> inventoried touch-up off the shelf, packing it and shipping to you. Way 
>&

Re: [RBW] Touch-up paint

[Bill Lindsay]

John

No, I don't think anything particular about the Nation of Japan directly 
influenced the shade of orange of the orange Rambouillet.  Rambouillets got 
that paint job because they got that paint job.  Orange Hillbornes got 
their different paint job because that's the paint job they got.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 2:45:15 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

> Bill
>
> Would the Rambouillets being built in Japan have anything to do with the 
> shade of orange???   The Waterford colors seem to be the colors they used 
> for the Rivendell models they made.  
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 4:54:44 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Orange Sam Hillbornes and Orange Rambouillets are both "sparkly metallic 
>> Orange" in color FAMILY.  They are not identical.  The multi-coated 
>> treatment of the Orange Rambouillets have been described as a "thousand 
>> dollar paint job".  Whether a scratch on an Orange Rambouillet could be 
>> made slightly less ugly with the $50 Hilborne Orange touchup from 
>> Waterford, that's up to the beholder.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA 
>>
>> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 1:35:04 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know if the Sam Hilborne Orange is the same as Rambouillet 
>>> orange?
>>> Max 
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:21:02 PM UTC-4 Roy Summer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sometimes you can find nail polish that will match or come very close. 
>>>> Clear polish will help prevent rust if you can’t find a color match.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:31:18 PM UTC-4 gds...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I need Pea Sage Green. Got a "beusage" spot on my Romulus.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024, 4:49 PM Zac  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, I was checking the Gunnar/Waterford site to see if they had my 
>>>>>> paint color (I ordered a bottle when I first heard they were shutting 
>>>>>> down, 
>>>>>> but it broke during a move) and noticed they added some Riv colors:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rivendell Atlantis Green
>>>>>> Rivendell Cream
>>>>>> Rivendell Head Tube Ivory
>>>>>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen Blue
>>>>>> Rivendell Jay's Green
>>>>>> Rivendell Light Blue Met
>>>>>> Rivendell Light Green
>>>>>> Rivendell Pearly Arctic Blue
>>>>>> Rivendell Roadeo R
>>>>>> Rivendell Roadeo White
>>>>>> Rivendell Sage
>>>>>> Rivendell Sam Hilborne Orange
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the touch-up paint is now shipped in plastic bottles instead 
>>>>>> of glass like I received.
>>>>>> https://waterfordbikes.com/fv/store/Touch-up-one-step-p579850196
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Touch-up paint

[Bill Lindsay]

Orange Sam Hillbornes and Orange Rambouillets are both "sparkly metallic 
Orange" in color FAMILY.  They are not identical.  The multi-coated 
treatment of the Orange Rambouillets have been described as a "thousand 
dollar paint job".  Whether a scratch on an Orange Rambouillet could be 
made slightly less ugly with the $50 Hilborne Orange touchup from 
Waterford, that's up to the beholder.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 1:35:04 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Does anyone know if the Sam Hilborne Orange is the same as Rambouillet 
> orange?
> Max 
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:21:02 PM UTC-4 Roy Summer wrote:
>
>> Sometimes you can find nail polish that will match or come very close. 
>> Clear polish will help prevent rust if you can’t find a color match.
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:31:18 PM UTC-4 gds...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I need Pea Sage Green. Got a "beusage" spot on my Romulus.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024, 4:49 PM Zac  wrote:
>>>
>>>> FWIW, I was checking the Gunnar/Waterford site to see if they had my 
>>>> paint color (I ordered a bottle when I first heard they were shutting 
>>>> down, 
>>>> but it broke during a move) and noticed they added some Riv colors:
>>>>
>>>> Rivendell Atlantis Green
>>>> Rivendell Cream
>>>> Rivendell Head Tube Ivory
>>>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen Blue
>>>> Rivendell Jay's Green
>>>> Rivendell Light Blue Met
>>>> Rivendell Light Green
>>>> Rivendell Pearly Arctic Blue
>>>> Rivendell Roadeo R
>>>> Rivendell Roadeo White
>>>> Rivendell Sage
>>>> Rivendell Sam Hilborne Orange
>>>>
>>>> I think the touch-up paint is now shipped in plastic bottles instead of 
>>>> glass like I received.
>>>> https://waterfordbikes.com/fv/store/Touch-up-one-step-p579850196
>>>>
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>>>> .
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit swap on my Sam

[Bill Lindsay]

That thread shows and describes how they run their bar con shift cable 
housing external to the grips.  I was looking for how you were running your 
shift cable housing internal to the grips.  The OP didn't specifically ask 
for "internal", I suppose.  They just asked for "works with".  :)

That might actually be a cool product: a contemporary lock-on grip that 
incorporates a passageway for bar con shift cable/housing.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 11:26:33 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> I didn't but there's precedent: 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/g9A7pxZGN5w/m/ChChYuXkAgAJ
> Max
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 2:17:49 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I'd love to see photos of how you manage to get Ergon or ESI grips over 
>> barcon shift cable housing.   
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> I love my Ergon Bio Cork Grips on my Hunqa
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 10:01:43 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or like Brian said, Newbaum's over ESI's - YUM!
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:59:24 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just wrote a whole message privately by accident. Here's a summary:
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience ESI grips get very slippery if you sweat. Otherwise 
>>>>> cheap and comfy!
>>>>>
>>>>> Rubber grips can get sticky over time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like using rolls of cork sheet from the office or craft store, 
>>>>> cutting and fitting that, then covering with Newbaum's. Or using padded 
>>>>> Newbaum's similarly as a base layer. Both methods give you grippy 
>>>>> cushion, 
>>>>> good style, plus easy bar-end installation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patch in Oakland.
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Santa Cruz Randonneurs 400k ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

Great work Toshi!  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:37:58 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> I finished the San Francisco Randonneurs 300k almost two months ago, and 
> for the month of April, I didn't do any bicycle rides over 10 miles long.  
> In my favor, I did commute to work nearly every work day, so my base level 
> of fitness was maintained.  Nevertheless, at the beginning of May I knew 
> that I would need to ramp it up to be able to do a 400k at the end of the 
> month.
>
> During the week, when I had time (about 2x a week), I added a bonus ride 
> of 5.7 miles and 1,076 feet of climbing.
>
> Over two weekends on the 11th and 18th I managed to get in a ~40 mile ride 
> with some good hills.  After this bit of training, my legs felt like they 
> were going to be able to do the 400k, so I began to feel more confident of 
> a good outcome.
>
> When it got close to the event date, Bill Bryant, the ride organizer, told 
> me that there were only two people registered to ride.  By ride date, it 
> turned out there were three riders, but still, I was getting mentally 
> prepared to ride alone for the ride if needed.
>
> The weather for the ride was supposed to be cloudy and on the colder side, 
> at least for the morning, so I brought some warm full fingered gloves, a 
> jacket (thankfully a showers pass rain jacket), and a couple of vests to 
> keep me warm.
>
> I've done a number of rides Memorial Day weekend, but it's usually the 
> 600k.  This time it worked out for me that the 400k was run this weekend 
> because I could not do the SFR 400k (and wasn't ready for a 600k this 
> year).  The worst weather I had over the previous three rides was a little 
> coastal foggy drizzle, so I wasn't expecting too much inclement weather.
>
> To my surprise, there was a wet drizzle as I rode to the start and my 
> glasses were dripping wet.  Luckily I rubbed my glasses prior to the event 
> with an anti-fog cloth, so my lenses weren't fogging up, despite the 
> raindrops accumulating on the outside of my lenses.
>
> The two other riders were Ioannis and Tim.  Unfortunately Tim patched a 
> flat tire, but the patch didn't hold, so he started late having to replace 
> a tube.  Ioannis and I made our way up North from Santa Cruz up towards 
> Pescadero.  The drizzle turned into several bouts of real rain coming down, 
> and we were getting pretty soaked on the outside, but I had a cycling cap 
> on under my helmet, so my head remained dry, and luckily I brought a real 
> rain shell that kept the water out from my torso.  Also, I was lucky that 
> the weather was on the cooler side, so I didn't get hot underneath, so I 
> remained relatively dry under the rain jacket.  
>
> My bike has fenders, and although I didn't expect to need them, they came 
> in really handy.  Ioannis expected that it was the beginning of summer 
> season, so he ended up taking off his fenders a week too early.  
>
> I suggested that if I wasn't too slow for him that he follow me up the 
> coast, since my full coverage fenders block the spray that would hit 
> trailing riders.  He seemed happy to go at my pace up the coast, as we were 
> both passing time waiting for the sun to clear away the clouds and stop the 
> rain in the afternoon (or so we hoped).
>
> Going north of Pescadero on Stage Rd., Tim caught us and we rode to San 
> Gregorio and backtracked our way to Santa Cruz.  Unfortunately as we were 
> going to Santa Cruz, Tim's knee was bothering him and he decided to call it 
> a day once we returned to Santa Cruz.
>
> Luckily for me, Ioannis was willing to ride with me instead of speeding 
> ahead (he was a 78 hour PBP finisher last year, when he had 90 hours to 
> finish--fast!).  We continued to make good time as we headed to Greenville 
> in the Salinas valley.  This area is known to cyclists for the extremely 
> strong winds.  The winds going to Greenville were in our favor, so we sped 
> along going 20 mph+ without really pedaling at all.  However, we were 
> wondering how bad it would be during our return.
>
> At this point we went approximately 169 miles and were about 2/3 done with 
> our ride.  We weren't rushing to leave Greenville because we knew that the 
> wind would die down as the sun set, so we ate some dinner and relaxed a bit 
> before fighting the wind.
>
> The wind was not as bad as we feared and after about an hour and half of 
> not too crazy wind (we were going about 10-11 mph), the sun set and the 
> wind died down to a very tolerable level (easy for me to say, because at 
> this point I was drafting most of the time!).
>
> We worked our way through Marina and then back to Santa Cruz for the 
> finish after a little over 21 hours.  Many thanks to Io

Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit swap on my Sam

[Bill Lindsay]

I'd love to see photos of how you manage to get Ergon or ESI grips over 
barcon shift cable housing.   

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 11:15:39 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> I love my Ergon Bio Cork Grips on my Hunqa
> Max
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 10:01:43 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Or like Brian said, Newbaum's over ESI's - YUM!
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:59:24 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> Just wrote a whole message privately by accident. Here's a summary:
>>>
>>> In my experience ESI grips get very slippery if you sweat. Otherwise 
>>> cheap and comfy!
>>>
>>> Rubber grips can get sticky over time.
>>>
>>> I like using rolls of cork sheet from the office or craft store, cutting 
>>> and fitting that, then covering with Newbaum's. Or using padded Newbaum's 
>>> similarly as a base layer. Both methods give you grippy cushion, good 
>>> style, plus easy bar-end installation.
>>>
>>> Patch in Oakland.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[Bill Lindsay]

If you've got a shop that will charge you for a Tune Up, and then give you 
a full frame-up assembly, that's a nice deal to find.  $100 is about right 
for a Tune Up.  Do you think they are really going to get the build done in 
under 2 hours?  Or do you think you're getting a good discount on their 
time?  Rivendell's build-service that is more like a "Tune Up" is the $150 
job they charge for completes.  Your shop's $100 vs Riv's $150 sounds like 
more of an Apples to Apples comp...  If your shop knows what they are 
getting into when they quoted you $100, then I'm guessing something about 
your particular situation has the shop thinking the build is going to be 
super quick.  Like maybe your frame set is used and not new, and so there's 
zero prep and thread chasing involved.  Or maybe the BB and headset are 
already in there and don't have to be touched.  Or the cockpit is in a 
single piece already and/or there is no handlebar tape to wrap.  You've 
already implied they won't be touching the wheels because you bought new 
handbuilt wheels which are presumably perfecto.  At any rate, I'll stick to 
calling BS to the assertion that Riv is charging $300 for exactly the same 
service that normal bike shops would do for $100 or less.  If it's a 3-4 
hour build, it should cost 3-4 hours worth of labor.  If it's a 90 minute 
build, then $100 should cover it.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 3:08:17 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> My husband-and-wife run LIBS is building my one and only bike (a Homer) 
> from parts and charging me $100 for it, the price they charge for a full 
> tune-up. They also charge $60/hour for a la carte services, as you point 
> out. I am happy to recommend them to anyone in the Boston metro. They 
> tastefully rehab older steel frames with new[er] parts and sell them for 
> $200-$400; they only sell steel frame bikes and operate out of a used car 
> lot's garage. Their inventory is like 3 new Surlys and maybe an All-State 
> or two. The rest are rehabs and they are absolute professionals about 
> everything they do. Mine isn't the first Riv they've built from parts 
> either. Perhaps the bike shops around you are a bit less affordable or have 
> to charge more to account for higher overhead, etc.  
>
> I'm not saying that Riv is *gouging*, I'm stating facts that there are 
> more affordable places to buy the exact same parts and more affordable 
> shops to build a bike. That is no way a slight on Riv, it's  just facts. 
> That said, I'm glad they promote and make a great margin on those 
> good-cheap parts and builds because I'm grateful for what that has allowed 
> them to do for bicycling as a whole. I appreciate their bikes and ethos, or 
> else I wouldn't be on this forum. 
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "Your LIBS can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 
>> charge"
>>
>> I'm going to call BS on this.  I sincerely doubt that there is a bike 
>> shop on earth, with a mechanic experienced-enough that I'd want them 
>> building my bike, who would quote under $100 for a frame-up bike assembly, 
>> when I've bought none of the parts from them and didn't buy the frame from 
>> them.  It's a 3-4 hour job.  Any mechanic worth their salt is billing $1 a 
>> minute for the shop to keep the lights on.  
>>
>> There are bargains to be had out there, to be sure.  If you luck-out and 
>> find wheels on sale, good job.  If you know how to find used parts for 
>> cheap, terrific.  The existence of cheap used parts does not make Rivendell 
>> a price gouger, though.  It's especially ungenerous to imply that, 
>> particularly when Rivendell is unique in their praise and promotion of 
>> good-cheap parts (like the Acera rear mech).  That's my opinion.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:26:21 AM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> I'd order the parts and then have your local independent bike shop 
>>> assemble it, because ordering everything yourself is going to save you a 
>>> considerable amount of money if you want the *exact* same parts build 
>>> that Riv would put on. If you decide you want to spend the same amount of 
>>> money as a Riv build package, you'll get *much* better parts. Your LIBS 
>>> can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 charge. Check 
>>> out the builds on Blue Lug and have fun shopping. 
>>>
>>> I don't want to diss Riv's part pricing, but you can find better prices 
>>> elsewhere even for the same components. For example, Riv is selling the WI 
>>> MI5/Atlas wheelset for over $1000 
>>> <https://www.rivbi

Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[Bill Lindsay]

"Your LIBS can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 
charge"

I'm going to call BS on this.  I sincerely doubt that there is a bike shop 
on earth, with a mechanic experienced-enough that I'd want them building my 
bike, who would quote under $100 for a frame-up bike assembly, when I've 
bought none of the parts from them and didn't buy the frame from them. 
 It's a 3-4 hour job.  Any mechanic worth their salt is billing $1 a minute 
for the shop to keep the lights on.  

There are bargains to be had out there, to be sure.  If you luck-out and 
find wheels on sale, good job.  If you know how to find used parts for 
cheap, terrific.  The existence of cheap used parts does not make Rivendell 
a price gouger, though.  It's especially ungenerous to imply that, 
particularly when Rivendell is unique in their praise and promotion of 
good-cheap parts (like the Acera rear mech).  That's my opinion.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:26:21 AM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> I'd order the parts and then have your local independent bike shop 
> assemble it, because ordering everything yourself is going to save you a 
> considerable amount of money if you want the *exact* same parts build 
> that Riv would put on. If you decide you want to spend the same amount of 
> money as a Riv build package, you'll get *much* better parts. Your LIBS 
> can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 charge. Check 
> out the builds on Blue Lug and have fun shopping. 
>
> I don't want to diss Riv's part pricing, but you can find better prices 
> elsewhere even for the same components. For example, Riv is selling the WI 
> MI5/Atlas wheelset for over $1000 
> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/wheelset-white-industries-mi5-hubs-bto?variant=41760074498159>,
>  
> then tack on a shipping fee and tax. I bought the *exact same wheelset* (with 
> DT Swiss double-butted spokes) for $750 hand-built by ProWheelBuilder (they 
> had a 15% off WI sell last month). No tax in my state, no build fee, free 
> shipping. For Riv's cost for an Acera rear mech, you can get a gently used 
> Deore XT. And so on. 
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 1:42:20 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Patrick and others surely remember this one…unless rewritten mostly way 
>> out date now. But that’s about where/when we started.
>>
>> It’s a long road full of triumphs and disasters. Add ‘em, more triumphs 
>> for sure. That’s how/why we’re still here 浪
>>
>> Jock
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 8:32 AM Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, 
>>> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
>>> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
>>> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
>>> inclined. 
>>>
>>> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
>>> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
>>> wiser to just order it complete? 
>>>
>>> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
>>> stupid!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
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[RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[Bill Lindsay]

*"I do have a workshop and am good with tools". *By "workshop" I take it to 
mean you have a proper work bench next to your bicycle repair stand, with a 
reasonably well equipped tool board.  This is where you do your current 
bicycle maintenance.  Is that correct?


*Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
beginner attempt? *Yes.  I specifically would not recommend a beginner try 
to assemble a brand new bike from the ground up before overhauling an 
existing bike.  I specifically would not recommend doing either of those 
maneuvers without a proper repair stand


*By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been wiser to just 
order it complete?  *There is no question that the cumulative price of all 
the tools needed to build one bicycle exceed the labor charge for a 
mechanic to build your bicycle.  If you are going to build another 50 bikes 
in your lifetime, and enjoy it, then that's a great investment.  If you are 
never going to build another bicycle, it's probably not a great investment. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 8:32:14 AM UTC-7 Michael wrote:

> Hi all, 
> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
> inclined. 
>
> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
> wiser to just order it complete? 
>
> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
> stupid!
>
> Thanks,
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Bill Lindsay]

I want that cargo net.  Where do I buy that cargo net?

For everything else: APPROVE!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:43:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>
> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty parts 
> to arrive.
>
> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes with 
> most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>
> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike My 
> Little Platy. 
>
> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be taken on 
> Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings cannot do. I put 
> fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel Platy.
>
> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had rainbow 
> hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL the colors? 
> I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I had my 
> Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for grips, I 
> found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted oil slick 
> everywhere I could get it. 
>
> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>
> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike happen. 
> They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them in wild, 
> saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood why I was 
> going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the anodizer. You 
> can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom bracket. 
> She understood the assignment. 
>
> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of approval. 
> The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my adoration of 
> this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back to my simple, 
> happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl (most of your 
> were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could choose from her 
> lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you just came out 
> WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>
> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for making 
> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>
> Please find my video link below.
> Leah
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
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Re: [RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Bill Lindsay]

A whisky and go to bed early!

BL in EC

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 7:00:44 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> Great job!
>
> What are you doing to celebrate?
>
> On May 19, 2024, at 7:45 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> One of my 2024 goals is knocked down.  I stated the goal:
>
>
> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>
> I did my fifth summit of Diablo today on my fifth different bike.  Pics 
> prove it:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313832831/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:48:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism 
>> on how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. 
>> "average 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the 
>> specificity: i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>>
>> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
>> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
>> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
>> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
>> *something 
>> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a 
>> good thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny 
>> S.M.A.R.T. goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking 
>> W's.  
>>
>> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>>
>> 10,000km ridden
>> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
>> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
>> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
>> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
>> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
>> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
>> birthday as a regular event
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Goals for 2024 (will they be S.M.A.R.T. ?)

[Bill Lindsay]

One of my 2024 goals is knocked down.  I stated the goal:

Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes

I did my fifth summit of Diablo today on my fifth different bike.  Pics 
prove it:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313832831/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:48:14 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Often we do a goals thread, and there seems to me that there's a schism on 
> how to approach goals.  Some folks have very specific goals: i.e. "average 
> 10 miles a day over the year".  Others enjoy eschewing the specificity: 
> i.e. "have more fun on the bike".
>
> I'm a devotee of S.M.A.R.T. goals, which are (S)simple, (M)easurable, 
> (A)chievable, (R)relevant, (T)imply.  The notion of the S.M.A.R.T. goal has 
> improved my life in several ways and maybe in a way has saved my life. I'm 
> a compulsive person and I'm a numbers guy. I'm going to be compulsive about 
> *something 
> , *so if that something can be achievable and healthy, then that's a good 
> thing.  I've gotten into the habit of setting up tons of tiny S.M.A.R.T. 
> goals, and it sets me up to have a regular pattern of taking W's.  
>
> My big picture goals for 2024 include:
>
> 10,000km ridden
> Summit Mount Diablo 5 times on 5 different bikes
> Put myself in the position to attempt my first 400k brevet
> Complete the Marin Mountains 200k brevet
> Complete 25% of every city in Contra Costa County on Wandrer
> Complete 25% of Marin County on Wandrer
> Ride 55 miles on my 55th birthday and kick off riding my age on my 
> birthday as a regular event
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Adventures in (Re) building my Saluki

[Bill Lindsay]

Michael

I'm not picking on you, but I strongly believe that anybody with the 
mechanical confidence to build a bike from the frame up should own a proper 
small tap-handle ($10), plus an M5x0.8mm tap ($5), an M6x1.0mm tap ($6), 
and a M10x1.0mm tap ($8).  That tiny tool kit would have saved you two 
trips and would get re-used innumerable times.  My recommendation to 
anybody who puts wrenches on bicycles to go buy those items today.  There 
are exactly three good reasons not to do that...

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, May 17, 2024 at 5:50:41 PM UTC-7 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> You may remember my previous post after retrieving my Saluki ( Serial 
> #007) from the powder coating shop in White River Jct Vt.   I thought the 
> rebuild would be simple and straight forward.  What could go wrong?!!
>
> First, I discovered that the threads in the BB shell needed to be 
> re-chased.  This required 25 miles of driving (rt) to the Village Bicycle 
> Shop in Richmond, Vt.  Home again things went well until I tried to. 
> remount the rear fender.  Now realizing that all the eyelits also needed to 
> be re-chased .  Another 25 miles of driving, only to discover  that a 
> family emergency  had lead to an unscheduled closing.  Tried again the next 
> day..  Along the way I recognized that the stem would not tighten down.  I 
> figured out that the wedge shaped nut was disconnected from the long stem 
> bolt, and jammed in the head tube..  This required removing the stem, HB, 
> brakes,  fenders and fork in order drive the now deformed nut out of the 
> head tube.  Had another in my spare parts bin.   OK.  Now with everything 
> (almost) tightened down, I set out on a shakedown  ride. 
>
> What a joy!  I didn't buy any new parts for this rebuild but am still 
> leaning toward a new front rack.  Contrary to GPs opinions I really 
> appreciate hi end Paul's breaks, TA rings, and Campy derailleurs and smooth 
> shifting..  I rode along grooving on the sweet, neutral handling of the 
> Saluki; the easy & comfy rolling of the PariMoto 45 mm tires.  No break 
> squeak from my Pauls Neo Retros.  Then, about 6 miles from home all hell 
> broke loose! 
>
> Actually what broke was one tiny bolt holding the rear deraileur cage 
> together.  That left me  without a pulley or functioning rear derailer. 
>  Fortunately I was uphill from home so could coast  half the way home, 
> where I discovered the remaining half of the deraileur (Campy Centaur) was 
> wedged  between cogs in the cassette.  It turned out I had another Campy 
> Centaur deraileur to use. Yea.
>
> To deliver the coup, either in the process of wedging itself or my effort 
> to free the derairller managed to damage the threads in the dropout and 
> neither derailleur would rethread into the frame..  Another trip to a bike 
> shop.
>
> It turned out that the replacement derailleur also had a broken part, 
> which is probably why it was in a box of random parts.  After some some 
> despair, (and a drink) I found a way to combine the two broken derailleurs 
> into one functioning part!
>
> Tomorrow will try another ride.  It looks good.
>
> Some pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGGXqixGEaeNt
>
> I guess we all have days/weeks like this.
> Michael
>

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

While it is true that latex inner tubes are not made in 559-inch wheel 
sizes, they are absolutely made in 559mm BSD wheel sizes.  Maybe not quite 
as skinny as the tires Patrick Moore runs, but Vittoria makes one that is 
labeled 1.70" - 2.30". Michelin Air-Comp are out there with a box labeled 
1.6 - 2.1". 

Latex inner tubes are made in 559mm BSD wheel sizes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 10:02:37 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'd like to try latex tubes (hell, I'd like to try TPUs if they had a 
> better reputation) but latex tubes aren't made in 559" wheel sizes.
>
> Has anyone tried and had success with installing appropriately wide latex 
> tubes in smaller diameter wheels by folding the tube to fit? Results?
>

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[RBW] Re: The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

Thank you.  It's kind of a four decade anachronism.  A 1980s build concept 
and tire clearances.  1990s stem and 3x8 drivetrain.  2000s frame set. 
 2010s wheel set and handlebar.  2020s front rack and bag.  Timeless 1950s 
- 1960s metal fenders, retro-copy rear rack and saddle.  

I'm going to pull out my ultra-minimalist camping stuff and do a mock-up of 
how I might load it up for a potential summertime ride down the California 
Coast.  

BL in EC

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 7:45:27 AM UTC-7 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> That rear rack is in fact the perfect one. 
>
> I think the Salsa Stem is actually my favorite part of the whole build. 
> Crushed it Bill!
>
> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 10:35:06 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Rear rack in place now on my Romulus.  It's a full on "sport touring" 
>> build now.
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53724531148/in/photostream/
>>
>> The very last bit will be to get a dynamo setup.  Aside from that, it's 
>> ready for overnighter duty.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 4:05:20 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> ...and now, fully set up as a 3x8 with a different rear wheel.  I 
>>> deployed a Rivendell endorsed "cheap RD", and an 8sp barcon.  Pics prove it:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53706446278/in/album-72177720310604809/
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53706670515/in/album-72177720310604809/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> One more significant step to a fully equipped "sport tourer" is now in 
>>>> place on my RoadTrio.  Soma recently had a tax-day 65% off sale on 
>>>> selected 
>>>> items, and one of the items was skinny (41mm) Honjo smooth fenders.  I'm 
>>>> used to paying $200 for Honjo fenders.  Soma had this model at $90 MSRP, 
>>>> and so 65% off was $31.50, so it felt like stealing.  Anyway, I finished 
>>>> the full-fender install last night.  The current tires on there are 27mm, 
>>>> and I could go a tiny bit wider with 41mm fenders, but it'll be skinny 
>>>> tires all the time.  
>>>>
>>>> Pics prove it:
>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53692239929/in/dateposted/
>>>>
>>>> The next move is a rear rack, which I have picked out, but will have to 
>>>> save up to order.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:10:28 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The alternate configuration for this Romulus is going to be a re-think 
>>>>> of a popular build configuration when I first got into cycling in the 
>>>>> early 
>>>>> 1980s: "sport tourer".  My first drop bar bike was. a 1983 Univega 
>>>>> Sportour.  It had 28mm tires, a fairly wide range 2x6 drivetrain, and 
>>>>> attach points for racks and/or fenders.  I've put skinny 27mm tires on 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> Romulus to accommodate full aluminum fenders, which I'll install this 
>>>>> week. 
>>>>>  I have a rear wheel built on the same rim that will take a 8/9/10 speed 
>>>>> cassette.  I think I'm going to set that up with an 8sp 12-32.  Then add 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> single bar-con shifter and replace the tensioner with a rear derailleur 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> it's a light touring bike.  
>>>>>
>>>>> For truly light loads the 3x1drivetrain will suffice, but with a 3x8 
>>>>> I'd be ready for anything (provided it's paved).  The trick in the setup 
>>>>> will be to see how "quick change" I can make it.  There are a couple 
>>>>> details in the set up that I believe could make it a ~5 minute switch. 
>>>>>  We'll see how it shakes out.  I
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:26:36 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
>>>>>> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
>>>>>> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
>>>

[RBW] Re: The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

Rear rack in place now on my Romulus.  It's a full on "sport touring" build 
now.

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53724531148/in/photostream/

The very last bit will be to get a dynamo setup.  Aside from that, it's 
ready for overnighter duty.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 4:05:20 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> ...and now, fully set up as a 3x8 with a different rear wheel.  I deployed 
> a Rivendell endorsed "cheap RD", and an 8sp barcon.  Pics prove it:
>
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53706446278/in/album-72177720310604809/
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53706670515/in/album-72177720310604809/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> One more significant step to a fully equipped "sport tourer" is now in 
>> place on my RoadTrio.  Soma recently had a tax-day 65% off sale on selected 
>> items, and one of the items was skinny (41mm) Honjo smooth fenders.  I'm 
>> used to paying $200 for Honjo fenders.  Soma had this model at $90 MSRP, 
>> and so 65% off was $31.50, so it felt like stealing.  Anyway, I finished 
>> the full-fender install last night.  The current tires on there are 27mm, 
>> and I could go a tiny bit wider with 41mm fenders, but it'll be skinny 
>> tires all the time.  
>>
>> Pics prove it:
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53692239929/in/dateposted/
>>
>> The next move is a rear rack, which I have picked out, but will have to 
>> save up to order.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:10:28 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The alternate configuration for this Romulus is going to be a re-think 
>>> of a popular build configuration when I first got into cycling in the early 
>>> 1980s: "sport tourer".  My first drop bar bike was. a 1983 Univega 
>>> Sportour.  It had 28mm tires, a fairly wide range 2x6 drivetrain, and 
>>> attach points for racks and/or fenders.  I've put skinny 27mm tires on the 
>>> Romulus to accommodate full aluminum fenders, which I'll install this week. 
>>>  I have a rear wheel built on the same rim that will take a 8/9/10 speed 
>>> cassette.  I think I'm going to set that up with an 8sp 12-32.  Then add a 
>>> single bar-con shifter and replace the tensioner with a rear derailleur and 
>>> it's a light touring bike.  
>>>
>>> For truly light loads the 3x1drivetrain will suffice, but with a 3x8 I'd 
>>> be ready for anything (provided it's paved).  The trick in the setup will 
>>> be to see how "quick change" I can make it.  There are a couple details in 
>>> the set up that I believe could make it a ~5 minute switch.  We'll see how 
>>> it shakes out.  I
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:26:36 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
>>>> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
>>>> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
>>>> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
>>>> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
>>>> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
>>>> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
>>>> Campy Part" club:
>>>>
>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>>>>
>>>> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to 
>>>> a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
>>>> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
>>>> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
>>>> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- 
>>>> it 
>>>> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 
>>>> inches 
>>>> with these tires.  
>>>>
>>>> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 
>>>> as a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly 
>>>> Diablo summit on the RoadTrio.  
>>>>
>>>> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
>>>> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillbornes Go Live Tomorrow

[Bill Lindsay]

Even with integrated shifters, the down-tube bosses give you a perfect spot 
for an inline barrel adjuster so you can tweak your indexing while riding. 
 They are great to have on any bike.  

BL in EC

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:46 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:36:27 AM UTC-5 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I would add that I love the very quiet update to the Sam. 
>
> I like the option of running downtube shifters on the new models.
>
>
> Those are some sharp eyes - thanks for pointing that out!  I like that 
> option, too. Though if I get one (it would be my third Sam) I'd be moving 
> over the components from my BreadWinner G-Road, which include SRAM brifters.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: Electric Air Pump recommendations

[Bill Lindsay]

Electric air pumps for what use-case?  Is she carrying this pump with her 
on her rides to pump up the tire after she fixes a flat road-side?  -OR- is 
this pump replacing a proper floor pump for inflating the tires pre-ride? 
 For the former use-case, I have no recs.  For the latter, I think the 
standard recommendation is a Harbor Freight compressor.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 7:36:38 AM UTC-7 Addison wrote:

> My mom, who is still rocking her Riv AR at the age of 78, was asking me 
> about electric air pumps for her tires.  Her arthritis makes a regular pump 
> hard at this point.  I don't have any experience with electric pumps so I 
> thought I'd reach out to the collective wisdom here.  She mentioned she was 
> looking at an "expensive" Bosch but that's about all I know.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> Thanks much,
> Addison
> Reno
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
> <http://www.washoeschools.net/aact> 
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Portfolio and Blog <http://addisonwilhite.com>
>

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[RBW] Re: East Bay Dirty Route Recs

[Bill Lindsay]

Have a look at the Routes page for the Grizzly Peak Century.  They have two 
gravel routes and they are right there on ridewithgps for you to follow

https://www.grizz.org/century/routes/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 6:07:03 PM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Looking for some ride & route recommendations in the East Bay; rides that 
> mix paved and unpaved roads that smartly link & loop together nice 
> sections, great scenery, challenging bits and chill bits. 
>
> Preferences that are in no way fixed requirements:
>
> - any length, but ideally in the 35-65 mi range (but open to longer!)
>
> - starting/ending: ideally somewhere near a BART station. 
>
> - doable with 650b x 48mm knobbies (ie not a mountain bike) 
>
> - bonus points for food/beverage related pit stop/s
>
>
> Thanks so much!
> Patch in Oakland
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Upright / Relaxed / Swept-Back - Style of Riding

[Bill Lindsay]

The symptoms the OP complains about are low energy and bad posture because 
of low energy.  

The three suggestions I'll toss into the hopper are: 1. there may be issues 
with your diet, 2. maybe 5x a week is too much.  Maybe limit it to 3x a 
week strictly and see what that does.  Finally 3. Maybe you go too hard. 
 Consider using an HRM and keep it strictly in a mellow zone and see if you 
learn something about that relationship with your energy level and comfort 
level.  

Me personally, if I'm "not feeling it" I blame it on diet 40% of the time, 
my own mental health 40% of the time, and a need for a spinal adjustment 
20% of the time.  Since those three causes are orthogonal, it can be all 
three at once, and those are really bad days.  On a day where my back is 
jacked, and I've been eating crappy, and I'm in a pit of depression, there 
is no handlebar that will snap me out of that triple-whammy.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:28:41 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> I was always aware of bikes with a very relaxed geometry / setup, and it 
> wasn't until I started seeing Rivendell bikes and watching youtube videos 
> of people riding them that I really thought about it - is it more 
> comfortable than drop bars, even if I have a more neutral (not aggressive) 
> position on the bike (i.e., bars close to level with saddle)?  Would this 
> be a good option for just cruising around, but for 1-2 hours?  If I didn't 
> get along well with flat bars on mountain bike, would swept back bars be 
> better?
>
> I'm going to ramble a bit here, my apologies in advance.  I haven't 
> thought long enough about this to formulate my question succinctly. 
>  Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.
>
> *Quick background*
> - been riding a little over 20 years (closing in on 50!)
> - started with mountain biking (hardtail, singletrack); moved to road; 
> tried mountain biking two more times (I love being in nature) but didn't 
> like the thrill/danger, and hated the idea of driving to the trail head; 
> have been mainly on the road for last 15 years, though with 10 years of 
> 'gravel' bikes/riding
> - I've had ongoing issues with my cervical spine (nothing serious) and 
> this leads to some problems when riding in any sort of aggressive position 
> on the bike; I see a chiro regularly; stretch a lot; workout / strength 
> training; have had numerous bike fits
> - I have a Roadini, Salsa Fargo and a road bike (25mm tires, but custom 
> made and really does fit like a glove, for road)
> - I don't care about performance at all, I just love riding bikes, in 
> particular when roads are not busy, or on trails, gravel roads, etc.
>
> On a good day (75% of the time), I can ride any of these bikes and during 
> the ride I feel pretty good (little to no pain), maybe a bit of pain after 
> (could be neck/shoulders, but anywhere else really), and after stretching I 
> feel great in a 1/2 to full day.  I ride 4-5x a week, workout 1-2 times 
> spring-fall and more in the winter.  
>
> But at least once a week, and maybe twice, I'll be riding, sometimes tired 
> as it's after work, and within an hour I'm running low on energy and 
> probably start to develop a bad posture on the bike, over-using my arms 
> which causes problems in my neck and shoulders, leading to upper body 
> aches/pains (while riding, and after).  Takes a lot of stretching and 
> awareness to reset.  *This is what I'm trying to resolve (move from 75% 
> to 99%)*
>
> My guess is that even with a bike like the Roadini or Salsa, with bars 
> about level with the saddle, and even with a professional fitting on each, 
> when I want to ride but I'm lacking energy, it goes poorly.  But is that 
> because these bikes are "kind of" aggressive (when compared to say a spine 
> angle closer to 70% and swept back bars)?  Or is it simply a combination of 
> age, history of some 'issues', low on energy and thus bad posture kicks in, 
> and would any bike be a joy to ride, or should I just go for a walk on 
> those days!?
>
> I would love to hear from those who ride both drop bars and also swept 
> back (or similar) in a way more relaxed geometry, or those who transitioned 
> to mainly this style, because it almost fully resolved your issues, if 
> they're anyway similar to mine.  *On a day when you're not feeling it, 
> but you have to commute or just love to ride, do you leave the drop bar 
> bike in the garage and hop on your more relaxed bike, and thus avoid most 
> of the issues you would have had on the other (slightly more aggressive) 
> bike?*
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Bill Lindsay]

What are the chances you'll leave it out there, change your mind and sell 
the Clem instead?  That's the outcome I'm rooting for.  A Rivendell custom 
is Grant creating a one-of-a-kind bike just for you.  A Clem is fungible.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

I just gotta get that perfect (PERFECT!) rear rack...

BL in EC

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 6:10:11 PM UTC-7 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> Love how it’s turning out Bill! 
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 7:05:20 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> ...and now, fully set up as a 3x8 with a different rear wheel.  I 
>> deployed a Rivendell endorsed "cheap RD", and an 8sp barcon.  Pics prove it:
>>
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53706446278/in/album-72177720310604809/
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53706670515/in/album-72177720310604809/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> One more significant step to a fully equipped "sport tourer" is now in 
>>> place on my RoadTrio.  Soma recently had a tax-day 65% off sale on selected 
>>> items, and one of the items was skinny (41mm) Honjo smooth fenders.  I'm 
>>> used to paying $200 for Honjo fenders.  Soma had this model at $90 MSRP, 
>>> and so 65% off was $31.50, so it felt like stealing.  Anyway, I finished 
>>> the full-fender install last night.  The current tires on there are 27mm, 
>>> and I could go a tiny bit wider with 41mm fenders, but it'll be skinny 
>>> tires all the time.  
>>>
>>> Pics prove it:
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53692239929/in/dateposted/
>>>
>>> The next move is a rear rack, which I have picked out, but will have to 
>>> save up to order.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:10:28 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> The alternate configuration for this Romulus is going to be a re-think 
>>>> of a popular build configuration when I first got into cycling in the 
>>>> early 
>>>> 1980s: "sport tourer".  My first drop bar bike was. a 1983 Univega 
>>>> Sportour.  It had 28mm tires, a fairly wide range 2x6 drivetrain, and 
>>>> attach points for racks and/or fenders.  I've put skinny 27mm tires on the 
>>>> Romulus to accommodate full aluminum fenders, which I'll install this 
>>>> week. 
>>>>  I have a rear wheel built on the same rim that will take a 8/9/10 speed 
>>>> cassette.  I think I'm going to set that up with an 8sp 12-32.  Then add a 
>>>> single bar-con shifter and replace the tensioner with a rear derailleur 
>>>> and 
>>>> it's a light touring bike.  
>>>>
>>>> For truly light loads the 3x1drivetrain will suffice, but with a 3x8 
>>>> I'd be ready for anything (provided it's paved).  The trick in the setup 
>>>> will be to see how "quick change" I can make it.  There are a couple 
>>>> details in the set up that I believe could make it a ~5 minute switch. 
>>>>  We'll see how it shakes out.  I
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:26:36 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
>>>>> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
>>>>> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
>>>>> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
>>>>> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
>>>>> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have 
>>>>> one 
>>>>> Campy Part" club:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>>>>>
>>>>> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel 
>>>>> to a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I 
>>>>> will likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R 
>>>>> hubs are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
>>>>> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- 
>>>>> it 
>>>>> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 
>>>>> inches 
>>>>> with these tires.  
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 
>>>>> as a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly 
>>>>> Diablo summit on the RoadTrio.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else 
>>>>> gives 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Bill Lindsay]

also, the Riv gloves that I didn't like are sold and in/on the hands of 
their new owner.  

BL in EC

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 4:30:28 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Thanks to this thread, I learned about HandUp for the first time from Tom. 
>  Today, I ordered three pairs of short finger gloves and one pair of full 
> finger gloves, got a free pair of socks for my first order and free 
> shipping.  All around it'll be a fun package and I can throw out some 
> tattered gloves with pride.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:11:10 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> OK, those handup gloves are pretty darn fun.  That may be the move.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>>
>>> If you find Cycology gloves too loud, you may not like these: 
>>> https://handupgloves.com/collections/all-gloves.  Still, check out the 
>>> Summer of Shreddy-Nine.
>>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.
>>>>
>>>> BL in EC
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion. 
>>>>>  I find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
>>>>> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My 
>>>>> secret weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a 
>>>>> ton 
>>>>> of cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and 
>>>>> durable 
>>>>> and fashionable.  
>>>>>
>>>>> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything 
>>>>> is totally boring.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in 
>>>>> boring all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so 
>>>>> I'm in the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of 
>>>>> gloves, in two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>>>>>
>>>>> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
>>>>> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential for 
>>>>> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't have 
>>>>> anything good.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
>>>>> options?  
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't have a whole lot of reporting to do, but according to this thread, 
I installed two 650B x 48 Rene Herse tubes on my custom Falconer on April 
22.  I have not ridden that bike since that time.  Checking that bike right 
now, after two weeks, the tires are pretty firm.  I'd definitely ride it. 
 Finger gauge judges they're probably at like 25psi, and I would have 
pumped 48s up to maybe 30psi at install-time.  So, I'd consider that normal 
air retention and leagues better than latex, and on-par with butyl.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 4:02:38 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> Update on my experience. I continue to like the ones that successfully 
> inflated on my 700x32 tires. Yesterday I took out that bike for the first 
> time in a couple of weeks and the tires were quite soft. So, the tubes 
> don't retain air as well as butyl, but it's not worse enough to be a 
> problem. And I did a pretty hard ride and was pleased with how fast it 
> ended up being.
>
> I also ordered some 650x48 tubes, but RH sent me 700x48. By the time they 
> responded to my inquiry they were sold out of the 650's. Fortunately the 
> next batch arrived pretty quickly and they promptly sent them to me. I 
> mounted those today and once again needed 3 tubes to get 2 wheels done. 
> These ones felt sturdier than the 700c skinny ones, but maybe it was just 
> the extra width. Installation went fine, but as I inflated it the valve 
> stem got sucked up into the rim. Weird! Deflated, checked for any snagging, 
> and tried again, same result. Repeat, same result. So I decided to remove 
> the tube and see what was going on. The tube came right out of the tire, 
> minus the valve stem which this time stayed firmly put in the rim, fully 
> detached from the tube.
>
> RH still hasn't responded to my inquiry about the two 700c tubes that 
> failed, which I sent back with the mis-shipped tubes. After this one, at 3 
> out 9 tubes failing, I am well put off by these. I certainly wouldn't carry 
> one as a spare ... I'd have to carry at least three to feel confident that 
> in crappy field conditions and dead tired I'd be able to successfully 
> install one. I also think that doing a patch in the field would be a roll 
> of the dice - no way to be sure you could get the tube out without tearing 
> it. 
>
> I'm very interested to hear the experience of others. Could be user error. 
> But I have over 50 years of wrenching experience, including 2 summers in a 
> bike shop, so if these are beyond my skill level, it's pretty hard to see 
> how these would be useful to anyone but a competitive rider with a budget 
> (or product sponsorship) and highly skilled support.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks to this thread, I learned about HandUp for the first time from Tom. 
 Today, I ordered three pairs of short finger gloves and one pair of full 
finger gloves, got a free pair of socks for my first order and free 
shipping.  All around it'll be a fun package and I can throw out some 
tattered gloves with pride.  

BL in EC

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:11:10 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> OK, those handup gloves are pretty darn fun.  That may be the move.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>
>> If you find Cycology gloves too loud, you may not like these: 
>> https://handupgloves.com/collections/all-gloves.  Still, check out the 
>> Summer of Shreddy-Nine.
>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!
>>>
>>> Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion. 
>>>>  I find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
>>>> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>>>>
>>>> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My 
>>>> secret weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a 
>>>> ton 
>>>> of cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and durable 
>>>> and fashionable.  
>>>>
>>>> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything 
>>>> is totally boring.  
>>>>
>>>> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in 
>>>> boring all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so 
>>>> I'm in the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of 
>>>> gloves, in two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>>>>
>>>> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
>>>> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential for 
>>>> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't have 
>>>> anything good.  
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
>>>> options?  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

...and now, fully set up as a 3x8 with a different rear wheel.  I deployed 
a Rivendell endorsed "cheap RD", and an 8sp barcon.  Pics prove it:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53706446278/in/album-72177720310604809/
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53706670515/in/album-72177720310604809/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> One more significant step to a fully equipped "sport tourer" is now in 
> place on my RoadTrio.  Soma recently had a tax-day 65% off sale on selected 
> items, and one of the items was skinny (41mm) Honjo smooth fenders.  I'm 
> used to paying $200 for Honjo fenders.  Soma had this model at $90 MSRP, 
> and so 65% off was $31.50, so it felt like stealing.  Anyway, I finished 
> the full-fender install last night.  The current tires on there are 27mm, 
> and I could go a tiny bit wider with 41mm fenders, but it'll be skinny 
> tires all the time.  
>
> Pics prove it:
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53692239929/in/dateposted/
>
> The next move is a rear rack, which I have picked out, but will have to 
> save up to order.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:10:28 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The alternate configuration for this Romulus is going to be a re-think of 
>> a popular build configuration when I first got into cycling in the early 
>> 1980s: "sport tourer".  My first drop bar bike was. a 1983 Univega 
>> Sportour.  It had 28mm tires, a fairly wide range 2x6 drivetrain, and 
>> attach points for racks and/or fenders.  I've put skinny 27mm tires on the 
>> Romulus to accommodate full aluminum fenders, which I'll install this week. 
>>  I have a rear wheel built on the same rim that will take a 8/9/10 speed 
>> cassette.  I think I'm going to set that up with an 8sp 12-32.  Then add a 
>> single bar-con shifter and replace the tensioner with a rear derailleur and 
>> it's a light touring bike.  
>>
>> For truly light loads the 3x1drivetrain will suffice, but with a 3x8 I'd 
>> be ready for anything (provided it's paved).  The trick in the setup will 
>> be to see how "quick change" I can make it.  There are a couple details in 
>> the set up that I believe could make it a ~5 minute switch.  We'll see how 
>> it shakes out.  I
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:26:36 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
>>> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
>>> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
>>> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
>>> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
>>> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
>>> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
>>> Campy Part" club:
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>>>
>>> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to 
>>> a quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
>>> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
>>> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
>>> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
>>> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
>>> with these tires.  
>>>
>>> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 
>>> as a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly 
>>> Diablo summit on the RoadTrio.  
>>>
>>> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
>>> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Caution: "Cuddle Bears"

[Bill Lindsay]

There are also ways to include a proxy service in between.  These can be 
informal or professional.  You just agree on a third party that both sides 
decide to trust.  For example, if I wanted to buy a bike from Seller X, I 
could nominate Joe Bernard as my proxy.  I give Joe Bernard my money, and 
Joe Bernard tells Seller X to ship the bike to him because he's got my 
money.  When Joe Bernard receives the bike, he can give Seller X my money.  

If Seller X refuses to trust both me and Joe Bernard, then by all means 
sell your bike on eBay or similar.  Professional proxy services would take 
a cut.  Joe Bernard would work out some gentleman's karmic equity betwixt 
us if we did such a thing.  

For truly long-term posters, I would even venture that you could parlay 
your status on this board to serve as your own proxy service.  If I wanted 
a bike from a first-time poster, I'd tell them "I like your price, and I'll 
pay it AFTER I receive your bike". I'm not going to trash my status in this 
group by stealing one bike.  If the seller likes the idea of selling their 
bike to somebody who knows what they are doing, they should be happy to 
give me their bike and trust I'll pay for it after I receive it. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 9:04:53 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My concern is FS posts from folks with no history of posting here. My 
> advice to all is skip it. 
>
> Joe "been around a while" Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 8:44:42 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> If you are worried that the poster does not have possession of a specific 
>> item, it's pretty simple to ask for verification with an updated image. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 8:40:20 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Max - 
>>> I realize you have been in this group for a while, but unless you have 
>>> something concrete to offer, I'd ask that you refrain from posting 
>>> commentary like this. It's exceedingly vague. If you are an injured party 
>>> in a specific transaction, that's different. But it did not seem that way 
>>> from this post. 
>>>
>>> If I understand the issue - a seller repurposed a photograph of a pair 
>>> of handlebars. That seems to be the one issue at this point. 
>>>
>>> As I said in a separate thread - if you have specific _experience_ with 
>>> a seller, you are welcome to email the admin - that would be me - with 
>>> information.
>>>
>>> Most of the recent scam attempts - and there are very few here - are via 
>>> a DM from someone who has not taken the time to post anything. In this 
>>> case, while I certainly encourage caution on any transaction, let's dial 
>>> things back a notch, OK?
>>>
>>> Jim / list admin
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 5:04:46 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cuddle Bears is / are selling a Susie bike for a very good asking 
>>>> price, almost too good to be true. User has no prior posts, a few other 
>>>> details don't check out. Use caution. 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Bill Lindsay]

That does seem to be a great deal, although there's no such thing as a 59cm 
Ram.  It's likely a 60cm, judging from the photo.  Perfecto for a 6-footer 
or just under.  I could totally rock that, but I've got a 59cm Romulus now 
(and a 59 Roadeo).  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 5:45:57 PM UTC-7 Greg J wrote:

> Complete 59cm Rambouillet for $1000 - it seems like an amazing deal!  No 
> connection to seller.
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-59cm-rambouillet-blue/7743799428.html
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:18:39 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>>
>> 51 Atlantis for $2k. Well-loved by owner who passed away. Being sold by 
>> the surviving spouse. No connection to seller. 
>>
>> https://boulder.craigslist.org/bik/d/boulder-rivendell-atlantis-51cm/7742464449.html
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:43:03 PM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nicely 52cm Clem for $1800 in Los Angeles 
>>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/bik/d/north-hills-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7742374638.html
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 2:59:02 PM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/196896
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2024, at 8:38 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Rivendell Clem Smith Clementine - $2,150 (Sacramento) 
>>>>
>>>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/sacramento-rivendell-clem-smith/7735990306.html
>>>>
>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Awesome color  Saluki and a good price!  I believe this is or was 
>>>>> John's bike (rivendell employee). This would explain the very history 
>>>>> heavy 
>>>>> description.  
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 11:01:54 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Saluki here: 
>>>>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-62cm-rivendell-saluki/7741642940.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time for a new FS thread?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I saw this 63 Roadeo on the Crust classifieds and thought a tall 
>>>>>>> member here might be interested: 
>>>>>>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179734
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good price at $1,500 for the frameset but the seller indicates it 
>>>>>>> has been repainted by D Cycles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: roadeo.jpeg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No connection to the seller.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: One way to try out a road bike for the Road Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

I like that Premis a lot.  Good find!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 11:32:53 AM UTC-7 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
> These road bike deals do pop up in my area ever so often as well if I 
> regularly look.
>
> There were two I couldn't resist , one yesterday and one again today so I 
> picked them both up. 
> Both popped up on FB marketplace.
>
> First one is probably late 80's (haven't really checked it thoroughly yet) 
> 62cm Peugeot road bike that I picked up yesterday for $70. 
> Sticker shows Reynolds 501 tubing. It has Sachs Huret Rival derailers.
>
> The 2nd one I picked up this morning for $75, a 23" 1988 Schwinn Premis, 
> the year they had a bright 3 or 4 color paint scheme and white highlighted 
> parts. I think it looks pretty cool.
>
> It has a Columbus Tenax tubing sticker and Suntour Cyclone 7000 derailers 
> with white highlights.
>
> It reminds me of my first decent road bike, a 1985 Schwinn Tempo back in 
> 1986.
>
> Both are rideable with seat adjustments, flat repair, and chain fix.
>
> I can ride 23", 24" or even a 25" frame but don't like the 25" for stop 
> and go riding.
>
> I can ride my Sam all day comfortably but these bikes with short stem and 
> difficult to reach brake positions just take the comfort out of riding for 
> me.
>
> Back when I was younger I rode bikes that way with low and narrow 
> handlebars but now I set my bikes up for comfort be it a new or vintage 
> bike.
>
> I guess that's part of my 'geezerhood' preferences.
>
> Good luck on your searches.
> I need to stop looking as my garage is too full already.
>
> Now to sort out what I'm going to do with these two bargains
>
> Paul in Dallas, TX
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: One way to try out a road bike for the Road Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

Those of us who did time "in shops" definitely have been imprinted with the 
stuff that was good at that time  It's inescapable...

BL "Village Schwinn, Yorba Linda CA" in EC



On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 3:29:30 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 3:23:58 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
> So I picked up an ’82 Team Fuji.  Got it for $150. 
>
>
> OMG those gold UKAI rims are worth $150 apiece. Yes, LOVELY bike! (Full 
> disclosure, I worked in a bike shop selling Fuji's in the late 70's, so I 
> have a bias.)
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: One way to try out a road bike for the Road Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

I consider it a skill to identify a bike that will set up well for oneself, 
and I think I've developed that skill.  I also have a lot of bikes and make 
it a standard practice to ride a lot of bikes.  In 2024 it feels a little 
weird to me to ride the same bike two rides in a row.  Anyway, to answer 
your question, no it's not irksome, but it's also part of the game.  The 
way I've set up the game in my brain, "winning" looks like finding a bike 
and riding it 200km without fiddling with it.  So, by not fiddling with it, 
I feel like I'm winning.  

I already knew these bikes well, and I know how they ride and how they fit. 
 It was listed as a "57" and I knew there's no such thing.  I thought it 
was really a 58, but maybe could be a 56, and it turns out it is a 56. 
 That's still fine, but it slightly influences what I may do with it.  The 
main thing is safety and noisy stuff.  The brakes work (safety), but they 
are set up reversed.  Fine, I'll leave it reversed for the 200km of 
winning.  The wheels are straight and spin smooth.  The headset and BB are 
sealed units that spin freely so there's nothing to do there.  These bikes 
came stock with absurdly high gearing, and if I keep it I'll definitely 
address it, but the current gearing would be great in Michigan :)  

Maybe I'll give this bike the Bill Treatment, ship it to Michigan and claim 
back my 2009 Hillborne which has been living in Michigan the last 3 years. 
 That's like spending $200 to get a $3000 bike back in my main rotation! 
 More winning!

BL in EC
On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 12:51:01 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I love this so much. You have the best ideas, Bill. 
>
> I have to ask how it feels to ride a turnkey bike that is not up to your 
> normal standards. Does it feel irksome, or do you settle into it nicely?
>
> On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 1:23:18 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I've added more content to the Ding Ding Flickr album.  When Leah 
>> expressed interest in trying out a road bike, she got lots of prescriptive 
>> advice.  My advice was to acquire a good cheap used road bike and ride it a 
>> couple hundred miles.  Then sell it or give it away and do it again, but 
>> now 5x smarter.  
>>
>> I did some shopping on her behalf, and knowing what I know about the 
>> history of road bikes and having worked at shops from 1984 - 2001, I had 
>> some very strong instincts where some high value opportunities reside.  I 
>> was so encouraged by what I was finding that I started a thread on 
>> internet-BOB where we're going to make it a game.  You spend under $200 on 
>> a used bike (with proof: screenshot of the craigslist ad or equivalent). 
>>  You can spend up to $200 to fix it up (mainly honor system) and then ride 
>> it 200km.  After the riding part is done, you write up your "entry" and 
>> judges will decide who wins.  
>>
>> Yesterday, I bought my entry bike, which is exactly the kind of thing I 
>> was thinking Leah could/should buy.  I paid $195 for this 1991 Trek 1200, 
>> 56cm, Day Glow Yellow with black splatter:  
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53692100883/in/album-72177720316423417/
>>
>> I rode it this morning down to Orange Theory and back so I'm 20km to the 
>> 200km entry.  I have not put it in the work stand for even a second and I 
>> didn't even have to pump the tires.  The term I use for "ready to ride" 
>> used bikes is "turnkey".  One I've ridden this bike a couple hundred miles 
>> I could donate it, or maybe use it as a platform for something else.  Who 
>> knows.  This was the kind of low-commitment activity I was recommending to 
>> Leah, and now it's become performance-art.  
>>
>> I won't blather about what a good value I think early 90s Trek aluminum 
>> bikes were.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

One more significant step to a fully equipped "sport tourer" is now in 
place on my RoadTrio.  Soma recently had a tax-day 65% off sale on selected 
items, and one of the items was skinny (41mm) Honjo smooth fenders.  I'm 
used to paying $200 for Honjo fenders.  Soma had this model at $90 MSRP, 
and so 65% off was $31.50, so it felt like stealing.  Anyway, I finished 
the full-fender install last night.  The current tires on there are 27mm, 
and I could go a tiny bit wider with 41mm fenders, but it'll be skinny 
tires all the time.  

Pics prove it:
https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53692239929/in/dateposted/

The next move is a rear rack, which I have picked out, but will have to 
save up to order.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:10:28 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The alternate configuration for this Romulus is going to be a re-think of 
> a popular build configuration when I first got into cycling in the early 
> 1980s: "sport tourer".  My first drop bar bike was. a 1983 Univega 
> Sportour.  It had 28mm tires, a fairly wide range 2x6 drivetrain, and 
> attach points for racks and/or fenders.  I've put skinny 27mm tires on the 
> Romulus to accommodate full aluminum fenders, which I'll install this week. 
>  I have a rear wheel built on the same rim that will take a 8/9/10 speed 
> cassette.  I think I'm going to set that up with an 8sp 12-32.  Then add a 
> single bar-con shifter and replace the tensioner with a rear derailleur and 
> it's a light touring bike.  
>
> For truly light loads the 3x1drivetrain will suffice, but with a 3x8 I'd 
> be ready for anything (provided it's paved).  The trick in the setup will 
> be to see how "quick change" I can make it.  There are a couple details in 
> the set up that I believe could make it a ~5 minute switch.  We'll see how 
> it shakes out.  I
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:26:36 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
>> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
>> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
>> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
>> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
>> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
>> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
>> Campy Part" club:
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>>
>> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
>> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
>> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
>> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
>> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
>> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
>> with these tires.  
>>
>> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as 
>> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
>> summit on the RoadTrio.  
>>
>> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
>> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] One way to try out a road bike for the Road Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

I've added more content to the Ding Ding Flickr album.  When Leah expressed 
interest in trying out a road bike, she got lots of prescriptive advice. 
 My advice was to acquire a good cheap used road bike and ride it a couple 
hundred miles.  Then sell it or give it away and do it again, but now 5x 
smarter.  

I did some shopping on her behalf, and knowing what I know about the 
history of road bikes and having worked at shops from 1984 - 2001, I had 
some very strong instincts where some high value opportunities reside.  I 
was so encouraged by what I was finding that I started a thread on 
internet-BOB where we're going to make it a game.  You spend under $200 on 
a used bike (with proof: screenshot of the craigslist ad or equivalent). 
 You can spend up to $200 to fix it up (mainly honor system) and then ride 
it 200km.  After the riding part is done, you write up your "entry" and 
judges will decide who wins.  

Yesterday, I bought my entry bike, which is exactly the kind of thing I was 
thinking Leah could/should buy.  I paid $195 for this 1991 Trek 1200, 56cm, 
Day Glow Yellow with black splatter: 
 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53692100883/in/album-72177720316423417/

I rode it this morning down to Orange Theory and back so I'm 20km to the 
200km entry.  I have not put it in the work stand for even a second and I 
didn't even have to pump the tires.  The term I use for "ready to ride" 
used bikes is "turnkey".  One I've ridden this bike a couple hundred miles 
I could donate it, or maybe use it as a platform for something else.  Who 
knows.  This was the kind of low-commitment activity I was recommending to 
Leah, and now it's become performance-art.  

I won't blather about what a good value I think early 90s Trek aluminum 
bikes were.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Homer question

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm about the same PBH.  The Stack and Reach numbers on the bike insights 
link would be great for me.  Those numbers are right in the neighborhood of 
where I shop.  That said, I'm having a hard time reconciling the numbers, 
the date, and the silhouette on bike insights.  The three things don't line 
up.  

The silhouette looks like the current Hilsen silhouette, and the date of 
2019 lines up with approximately when the current Hilsen was introduced, 
but then the numbers would be wrong, and the most obvious way they would be 
wrong is the wheel size.  A current Hilsen in 58 would take 700c wheels.  

The numbers, including the wheelsize, look like the old Hilsen.  But the 
old Hilsen would have a flatter top tube silhouette, and I think would 
pre-date 2019.  

So, are you absolutely sure the numbers on bike insights match the physical 
bike you are thinking about buying?  Do you have a photo of the bike you 
are thinking about buying?  Did the seller of the bike point you at bike 
insights and guarantee you that their bike exactly match these numbers?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 10:29:58 PM UTC-7 xerox-dream wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I had a pretty basic question, but wanted everyone’s opinion and 
> expertise. I am thinking of getting a 58CM 2019  a homer Hilson my PBH is 
> 86 to 86 1/2. currently I’m riding a 55 CM platypus and that’s been great. 
> just reaching out if anyone has a similar set up with a similar PBH?
>
>
> https://bikeinsights.com/bike-geometries/5cedbc58663b2d0017aa071d-2019-rivendell-bicycle-works-a-homer-hilsen-mit-58
>
> i guess this model was 650b compared to newer 700c model for this frame 
> size
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto R10, R14 or RBW 51

[Bill Lindsay]

OK I tried emailing you 

Bill

On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:47:02 PM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> R10 found! @Bill I didn't receive your PM. Checked junk folder but 
> nothing. Please try again when you are able. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:02:32 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I messaged you regarding an RBW51 in my holdings.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:19:22 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> In the market for a a rear rack for two separate bikes. 
>>>
>>> A Nitto R-10 and R14 would work great! Anyone have one collecting dust?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto R10, R14 or RBW 51

[Bill Lindsay]

I messaged you regarding an RBW51 in my holdings.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:19:22 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> In the market for a a rear rack for two separate bikes. 
>
> A Nitto R-10 and R14 would work great! Anyone have one collecting dust?
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

" an ideal half-step setup… and you start back down the rabbit hole"

I've got a developing build concept that will feature a 12-14-17-20-24-28 
cogset in back.  I've got a 130 BCD crankset for the conceptual build which 
has 53/42 rings.  I ran the numbers for 42/45 and 42/46, and I think I like 
42/45 better.  I'm going to grab a 45T 130 BCD ring and a half-step front 
der and have some fun

BL in EC

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 8:03:15 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>  At 22t of required chain wrap, take your pick of any rear derailer
>
>
> Bad Sunday morning math. 13 teeth of chain wrap. Even better
>
> On Apr 28, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
>  14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  
>
>
> And if you pair it with, say, a 42-46 combo up front you have an ideal 
> half-step setup… and you start back down the rabbit hole 
>
> :-) 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

"I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a wide-range 
triple up front. "

If you build one of each and offer the comparative ride report, I'll be 
pleased to read it.  I still have the gear chart in front of me the last 
time Patrick Moore offered the theory that three gears in the back is 
objectively superior to three gears in the front.  That gear chart has a 
36T ring with a 14/18/27.  I built a three cog freewheel and ran it on a 
120mm O.L.D. hub, but not with a derailleur.  Usually (and I expect now) 
Patrick Moore will say how he is philosophically opposed to a tensioner of 
any kind and prefers long horizontal drop outs and a QR skewer for manual 
gear choosing.  

The thing that keeps coming to mind is the classic 5-speed freewheel: 
 14-17-20-24-28.  That has all the span we're talking about.  A nice 120mm 
O.L.D. frame with a 1x5 drivetrain, friction shifted with a modest rear 
derailleur would do all these things.  Don't be surprised a drivetrain of 
that kind pops out of my workshop in the next 3-6 months as well.  I 
encourage Ted and Patrick to build their ideas also.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 7:10:32 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:41:12 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> But I keep coming back to theoretical efficiencies: IIRC, the gearing 
> effect of tooth jumps in back are more or less double what they are in 
> front. So the question is, how to get just 2 or 3 big jumps in back without 
> a IGH.
>
>
>  Just build a 3-speed cassette and fill the rest of the space with spacers.
>
> Bill's 46-36-24 is jumps of 25% (46-36) and 41% (36-24). An equivalent 25% 
> jump in back would be 15-19 (24%), 16-21 (27%), 17-22 (26%), 18-23 (25%). 
> An equivalent 41% jump in back would be 16-24 (41%), 17-25 (39%),  17-26 
> (42%), 18-27 (41%), 19-28 (39%), 19-29 (42%), 20-30 (41%), 21-31 (39%), 
> 21-32 (42%),  ...
>
> A very close equivalent to the 46-36-24 in front would be 15-19-28 in 
> back. Pair that with a 44T chainring and you'd have 42-63-79 gear inches on 
> 700x32C tires. At 22t of required chain wrap, take your pick of any rear 
> derailer. I would expect much crisper shifting with that setup than a 
> wide-range triple up front. Combine it with a compatible index shifter and 
> you'll have a nice 3-speed externally geared hub. 
>
> If you were so inclined. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

The alternate configuration for this Romulus is going to be a re-think of a 
popular build configuration when I first got into cycling in the early 
1980s: "sport tourer".  My first drop bar bike was. a 1983 Univega 
Sportour.  It had 28mm tires, a fairly wide range 2x6 drivetrain, and 
attach points for racks and/or fenders.  I've put skinny 27mm tires on the 
Romulus to accommodate full aluminum fenders, which I'll install this week. 
 I have a rear wheel built on the same rim that will take a 8/9/10 speed 
cassette.  I think I'm going to set that up with an 8sp 12-32.  Then add a 
single bar-con shifter and replace the tensioner with a rear derailleur and 
it's a light touring bike.  

For truly light loads the 3x1drivetrain will suffice, but with a 3x8 I'd be 
ready for anything (provided it's paved).  The trick in the setup will be 
to see how "quick change" I can make it.  There are a couple details in the 
set up that I believe could make it a ~5 minute switch.  We'll see how it 
shakes out.  I

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 11:26:36 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
> Campy Part" club:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>
> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
> with these tires.  
>
> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as 
> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
> summit on the RoadTrio.  
>
> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

With your 7402 "tensioner" you could run a tiny short cable, such that 
twisting the barrel adjuster pulls it from the 17 to the 19.  I run that 
setup on a different bike.  

I'm summiting mount Diablo once a month, and I'm plotting which month this 
summer I ride my 3x1 Romulus.  Maybe July.  

BL in EC

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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

Nice Paul wheels!  Good luck with it

BL in EC

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 6:47:18 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> A gentleman never tells (of his relationship to certain Rivendell 
> employees, nor his local bike shop with a Rivendell account).
>
> Quietly confident I’ll be able to get one in my size now, tho…
>
> Hopefully even color choice, too. 
>
> I even picked up the wheelset I needed while up in the bay.
>
> I think that means I have most of what I need to build version 1.0.
>
> Let’s see…
>
> [image: IMG_6571]
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 5:43 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> It’s funny because they just released more details including a “probable” 
> pre sale in June. A month or two back they announced the lugged Susie 
> presale. The next day there was a guy on Instagram riding his lugged 
> Susie!! Had to be a prototype or sample, right?
>
> I really want to “commit” but need is not part of the equation. Resisting 
> in Toledo may be futile.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 8:25 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Committing to yourself is the first step.  Stating it on the RBW Group is 
> legally and morally binding, also, so that's step two.  If you wanted to 
> get really committed, email Will and see if Will is able to take your 
> money, or if Will already knows you, you may be able to convince him to 
> agree to hold one for you in your size.  He may tell you to wait until they 
> are ready to do a pre-sale.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I said: “I’m getting one!”
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W  wrote:
>>
>> Brilliant Bill.
>>
>> And good reference/inspiration.
>>
>> I tried out an Uno on Monday.
>>
>> And committed to a 57 for myself!
>>
>> I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.
>>
>> Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for 
>> sure tho!
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
>> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
>> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
>> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
>> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
>> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
>> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
>> Campy Part" club:
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>>
>> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
>> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
>> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
>> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
>> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
>> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
>> with these tires.  
>>
>> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as 
>> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
>> summit on the RoadTrio.  
>>
>> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
>> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Bill Lindsay]

The Simworks So Bar is a handlebar that resembles a Nitto Noodle but in a 
wide width that was made in the late 2010s and early 2020s

The Nitto Soba Noodle is a completely different handlebar that was made by 
Nitto and offered by Rivendell in the mid to late 2000s 

Do not conflate the two.  This thread and WTB is focused on the Nitto Soba 
Noodle -NOT- the Simworks So Bar. 

BL in EC


On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:40:48 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> I think the So Bar came out in the fall of 2018.  Here's the intro from 
> Sim Works:
>
> https://sim-works.com/en/news/ramen-nope-i-take-so-bar
>
> They also appear to have a sleeve.  But I've never owned the So Bar, so I 
> don't know what the production model was like in practice.  I had a 50 cm 
> Rando Bar from Velo Orange that I really liked at the time the So Bar was 
> released, and that's why I didn't buy it, but I love 50 cm + drop bars.
>
> It seems as though there is plans for a new iteration of the So Bar.  Sim 
> Works USA wrote, "These were a very popular bar that we've temporarily 
> discontinued while we make some changes to a new version."
>
> I'm a bit of a Noodle/drop bar connoisseur myself.  I currently in use the 
> Crust Nullabar on my Monstercross, Sim Works Wild Honey on my Lightning 
> Bolt, and Ritchey Corralitos on my Hunqapillar.  I wish the Fairweather All 
> Road 174 AA bar was offered in a wider size, but my criticism of the 54 cm 
> Noodle is that it lost the back sweep that enjoyed in the Noodle as it got 
> wider.
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 5:32 PM Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
>
>> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
>> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
>> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
>> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
>> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
>> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
>> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
>> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
>> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
>> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
>> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>>
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them.  
>>> Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
>>> advice.  ;)
>>>
>>> BL in EC
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Re: [RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

Committing to yourself is the first step.  Stating it on the RBW Group is 
legally and morally binding, also, so that's step two.  If you wanted to 
get really committed, email Will and see if Will is able to take your 
money, or if Will already knows you, you may be able to convince him to 
agree to hold one for you in your size.  He may tell you to wait until they 
are ready to do a pre-sale.  

BL in EC

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-7 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> I said: “I’m getting one!”
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> How does one “commit” to a RoadUNO at this point?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 7:19 PM, P W  wrote:
>
> Brilliant Bill.
>
> And good reference/inspiration.
>
> I tried out an Uno on Monday.
>
> And committed to a 57 for myself!
>
> I’m really excited by the bike and it’s build and ride prospects.
>
> Mine’s gonna look like a late 80s MTB disguised as a 3spd road bike, for 
> sure tho!
>
> P. W.
> ~
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> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 11:26 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
> Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
> enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
> RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
> Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
> front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
> Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
> Campy Part" club:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/
>
> The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
> quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
> likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
> are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
> accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
> generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
> with these tires.  
>
> I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as 
> a build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
> summit on the RoadTrio.  
>
> Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 
> 3x1 a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Bill Lindsay]

"Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?"  

They were already out of production when I came in 2009.  If I type "Nitto 
Soba Noodle" into the googler, I get hits to bike forums in 2007 discussing 
them.   At that time they are talking about how the regular Noodle mod 177 
is the heavier cheaper version, and the Soba Noodle is in Nittos 
"ultralight" flavor.  

There are 9 of them in my garage right now.  8 are on bikes, and 1 is 
loose.  7 are Mod 177 Noodles, and 2 are the Soba Noodle.  The shape is 
identical.  I guess you'd just have to take my word for it.  I'm kind of a 
Noodle zealot.  Most of the 9 in my garage are 460mm and a couple are 
440mm.  

The loose bar is the model 177 regular Noodle.  It has 460 stamped in the 
end and it measures 460mm center to center.  The Soba Noodle that went on 
my new Roadeo had 460 stamped in the end and it also measures 460mm center 
to center.  The regular Noodle has a "sleeve" in the middle, with embossed 
Nitto graphics into the metal of the sleeve.  The Soba Noodle has a bulge 
in the middle, and the Nitto graphics are black ink or similar printing on 
the metal.  My build notes indicate I weighed the Soba Noodle at 310g.  The 
loose regular 460mm Noodle weighs 372g on the same gram scale just now.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:32:19 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> Where did y'all read these were a lightweight Nitto Noodle?  They are 
> listed at 380 grams which is inline with other Noodles.  My understanding 
> was they were 50 cm wide--two cm wider than the then widest 48 cm 
> offering.  Then, Riv went all 7 minute abs and released the 52 and 54 
> centimeter variants.  I recently had a conversation with someone at Riv 
> regarding the widest Noodles who said that Nitto is trying to deprecate the 
> 26.0 clamp diameter.  I personally have had 46 cm Noodles, the Fairweather 
> 174AA short shallow Noodle in 46 cm, and this week I swapped the 54 cm ones 
> off my Hunqapillar in favor of the new Ritchey Corralitos bar which may be 
> my favorite drop bar for a longish top tube bike.  I wanted to like the 
> Noodle, but they have too much drop for me.
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 5:09:51 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them. 
>>  Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
>> advice.  ;)
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Bill Lindsay]

I absolutely snatch them up whenever I see them, and I never sell them. 
 Buy the good stuff when it's available, before you need it.  That's my 
advice.  ;)

BL in EC

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Bill Lindsay]

"maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would lessen the chain 
flying around?"

Or a derailleur with a clutch would lessen the chain flying around.  IMO 
there is some technique involved also.  The upper run of chain is only 
slack when you are coasting.  Keep it stuck in your head that if you are 
coasting you ought to already be in the big ring.  Maybe that's not 
practical on your terrain, but it's basically impossible for that chain 
mishap to happen from the big ring.  

Another idea is a mullet tire setup: wider in front and narrower in back. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito. CA

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:

> I'd like to hijack this thread with a question relevant to the title, if 
> not the OP's actual question:
>
> *How do people manage the lng chain getting wedged between the tyre 
> and chainstay?*
> I'm loving my Appaloosa so far, but when I'm in my 24t chainring and on a 
> bumpy road, the chain flys around, hits the knobby side of my rear tyre, 
> and gets sucked in and wedged. It's not a great sound.
>
> My first angle of attack is to go for a slightly wider BB. There's a 115mm 
> BB installed now, but the crank manufacturer 
> <https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m8b0s109p3383/SPA-CYCLES-TD-2-Super-Compact-Chainset-with-Zicral-Rings>
>  
> recommends a 119mm.
> After that, I'm going to try and fashion a kind of chain bash guard like 
> Ultraromance did <https://youtu.be/B_0qSPMps48?si=Mng6dfjgzG4_QoBY=234> 
> on his Atlantis for this very issue. Finally, I'd look at swapping the rear 
> derailleur for one with more tension maybe? I'm using the Deore M591, which 
> looks good, but maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would 
> lessen the chain flying around?
>
> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 00:27:12 UTC+9:30 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
>> longer than a single chain.
>>
>> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
>> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
>> chain?
>>
>> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>>
>> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Bill Lindsay]

I stumbled across some crochet gloves that I bought from Rive and then hid 
them away because I hated them. The label inside says the maker is 
"InMotion". I recall the transaction because Riv told me they run comically 
small.  I wear a Medium in absolutely everything and these "XL" gloves 
squeeze my fingers.  They are free to anybody who wants them and wants to 
give me something small for free in the future.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53681302024/in/dateposted/



On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:12:04 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I guess that's an OK idea.  Riv has stocked traditional gloves from a 
> number of sources.  At least twice I've bought them and disliked them for 
> one reason or another.  These are yet another variant and maybe they nailed 
> it.  They only have three pairs of medium in stock so I'd better decide 
> quick if I really want three pairs of the same thing...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:56:17 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:
>
>> Nobody mentioned the Rivendell G.O.A.T. gloves 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves-the-g-o-a-t-glove.  Perfect 
>> for traditionalists and could probably be dyed to the color of your choice.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:11:10 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> OK, those handup gloves are pretty darn fun.  That may be the move.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you find Cycology gloves too loud, you may not like these: 
>>>> https://handupgloves.com/collections/all-gloves.  Still, check out the 
>>>> Summer of Shreddy-Nine.
>>>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.
>>>>>
>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion. 
>>>>>>  I find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
>>>>>> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My 
>>>>>> secret weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a 
>>>>>> ton 
>>>>>> of cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and 
>>>>>> durable 
>>>>>> and fashionable.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything 
>>>>>> is totally boring.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in 
>>>>>> boring all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so 
>>>>>> I'm in the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of 
>>>>>> gloves, in two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
>>>>>> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential 
>>>>>> for 
>>>>>> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't 
>>>>>> have 
>>>>>> anything good.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
>>>>>> options?  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 700c wheelset (135mm rear) for Homer

[Bill Lindsay]

Maybe?

Several years back I sold a Complete Toyo Atlantis to a neighbor.  I sold 
the whole bike for $1900 and now looking at it through a 2024 lens, I gave 
it away.  I reached out to my neighbor to see if he'd sell it back.  My 
neighbor indicated he lives overseas for now, and that he sold the frame 
set for $1400 a while back. The build kit is still in his garage, around 
the corner from me.  I've asked him to sell me back the build kit, and I'm 
awaiting his response on that.  If I procure that build kit, the wheel set 
would be sensational on a 700c Hilsen.  Nothing is assured quite yet.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:11:36 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> Excited to assemble my upcoming Homer (first Riv!), but Velocity is 
> backordered on the Atlas rims and it might be a month or more until I could 
> get a pair. I'm curious if anyone here might have a wheelset for sale that 
> would fit. 
>
> I plan on using 43mm tires and Paul centerpull brakes, 8sp Shimano 
> cassette, would need a 135mm rear spacing. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Bill Lindsay]

I've got three of them in my stable, and would buy several more.  I've told 
Grant at least once that if he got Nitto to make 200 of them, and he did a 
presale at $150, that I bet he could pre-sell them before any of them 
actually get made.  That would be a nice $30,000 cash flow exercise.  I'm 
sure there are barriers to doing such a thing that I don't know, but the 
$140 MSRP on Rene Herse bars certainly suggests that $150 is a price point 
that would make sense for all involved.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:00:31 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Every once and awhile I decide I want to search for some Soba bars again. 
> This is the lightweight version of the Noodle handlebars. Anyone have a 
> spare one they want to unload? Not really concerned about width.

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[RBW] The 3x1 road bike. Anticipating some of your RoadUNO builds

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks to unintentional prodding from Leah, I've pressed my new-to-me 
Romulus into service.  Some serindipitous objects in my parts inventory 
enabled a build concept that is functionally similar to the forthcoming 
RoadUNO.  It's got a single 18T freewheel, a Paul Melvin tensioner (from 
Joe B), a triple crank with 46/36/24 rings and a single DT shifter for the 
front derailleur.  This morning I "upgraded" the front derailleur to a 
Campy Mirage, which qualifies this bike for my "Every Bike should have one 
Campy Part" club:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157719595208740/

The other upgrade from this morning is I swapped out the front wheel to a 
quick release front hub, rather than the bolt-on Phil track hub.  I will 
likely rebuild that Phil front wheel with a dynamo hub.  Now the F+R hubs 
are both black.  Also, I "downgraded" to much skinnier tires.  This 
accomplishes two things: It allows wheel removal without deflation -AND- it 
generates ample clearance for fenders.  The three gears are 35/53/68 inches 
with these tires.  

I'm becoming progressively more and more "SOLD" on the validity of 3x1 as a 
build concept.  It works.  I may end up doing my May 2024 monthly Diablo 
summit on the RoadTrio.  

Even though I'm not buying a RoadUNO, I'm excited to see who else gives 3x1 
a try with an open mind and concurs that it works for them.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Bill Lindsay]

I guess that's an OK idea.  Riv has stocked traditional gloves from a 
number of sources.  At least twice I've bought them and disliked them for 
one reason or another.  These are yet another variant and maybe they nailed 
it.  They only have three pairs of medium in stock so I'd better decide 
quick if I really want three pairs of the same thing...

BL in EC

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:56:17 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:

> Nobody mentioned the Rivendell G.O.A.T. gloves 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/goat-gloves-the-g-o-a-t-glove.  Perfect 
> for traditionalists and could probably be dyed to the color of your choice.
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:11:10 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> OK, those handup gloves are pretty darn fun.  That may be the move.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>>
>>> If you find Cycology gloves too loud, you may not like these: 
>>> https://handupgloves.com/collections/all-gloves.  Still, check out the 
>>> Summer of Shreddy-Nine.
>>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.
>>>>
>>>> BL in EC
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion. 
>>>>>  I find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
>>>>> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My 
>>>>> secret weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a 
>>>>> ton 
>>>>> of cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and 
>>>>> durable 
>>>>> and fashionable.  
>>>>>
>>>>> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything 
>>>>> is totally boring.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in 
>>>>> boring all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so 
>>>>> I'm in the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of 
>>>>> gloves, in two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>>>>>
>>>>> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
>>>>> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential for 
>>>>> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't have 
>>>>> anything good.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
>>>>> options?  
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

Bending those "BL" rules forced me to concede that the front derailleur I 
chose for my 3x1 build was too crappy.  I kind of smugly used the crappiest 
front derailleur in my bin, because friction shifted front derailleurs are 
a dime a dozen.  The crappiest one (old Deer Head) proved to be too crappy. 
 Thanks to this ride I tossed the bike in the stand and put a much nicer FD 
on there, and now my 3x1 Rom (code name "RoadTrio") satisfies another VERY 
important category.  That category is "every bike should have one Campy 
part".  Now with a Mirage Triple FD, RoadTrio is in the club.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:52:35 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It’s an honor to have the Bill Lindsay Rules bent for our delight here. We 
> await. Bated breath, and all that jazz!
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> "Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! "
>
>
> I need to grab a bike right now to head over to the dentist.  I'm going to 
> break my own self-imposed rule and ride my Romulus on its first ride.  Pics 
> will prove it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:02:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer 
>> on a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you 
>> find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. 
>>
>>
>> I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden 
>> it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be 
>> Rom-riding this summer!
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>>> this way as well.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin, TX burbs
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>>> ideal. 
>>>>
>>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>>
>>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
>>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m 
>>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>>
>>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

[Bill Lindsay]

The answer to each of those questions is "It depends".  There are great and 
lousy set ups with center pulls.  There are great and lousy set ups with 
V-Brakes.  You decide if you prefer one over the other.  Ride bikes to 
develop your preferences if that's what you want to do.  If you're going to 
buy a bike without riding it first, then just know it's a guess and you may 
end up changing things.  If you end up turning into a person who hates 
V-Brakes (for example) you may find that you want to get rid of a bike 
because of your hardened preferences.  But there's nothing objectively 
"better" or "worse" between center pulls and V-brakes in the abstract 
general sense.  As you search for "the right bike", I think the bike you 
buy will present itself and then you'll decide to buy it.  Once you buy it, 
you'll try to like it.  If you fail to like it, you'll have to do something 
else.  It's all part of the journey.  You are the captain of your own ship. 
 Some people can't be satisfied with anything and keep searching.  Some 
people can love anything because bikes in 2024 are all excellent.  Most 
people are somewhere in between.  What makes you happy has more to do with 
you than it has to do with brakes, or bikes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 9:13:58 AM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes 
> with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier 
> to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel 
> fundamentally different than the other during the ride? 
>
> I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really 
> *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are 
> there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't 
> run more than 43mm tires and fenders. 

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Bill Lindsay]

Rivendell themselves buy "chain" in enormous continuous bulk, so they can 
use a single chain for a build.  I buy my long chains from Riv.  In the 
past, when I've been impatient and wanted to do something in the stand 
"RIGHT NOW" I've just used two quick links and a subset of a second chain. 
 Sometimes, what's left of the second chain is still long enough for a 
single speed build, etc.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:57:12 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:

> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
> longer than a single chain.
>
> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
> chain?
>
> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>
> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Bill Lindsay]

OK, those handup gloves are pretty darn fun.  That may be the move.  

BL in EC

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:

> If you find Cycology gloves too loud, you may not like these: 
> https://handupgloves.com/collections/all-gloves.  Still, check out the 
> Summer of Shreddy-Nine.
> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 9:34:45 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!
>>
>> Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion.  I 
>>> find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
>>> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>>>
>>> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My 
>>> secret weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a ton 
>>> of cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and durable 
>>> and fashionable.  
>>>
>>> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything is 
>>> totally boring.  
>>>
>>> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in 
>>> boring all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so 
>>> I'm in the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of 
>>> gloves, in two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>>>
>>> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
>>> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential for 
>>> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't have 
>>> anything good.  
>>>
>>> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
>>> options?  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Bill Lindsay]

I will check out those several suggestions.  Thanks!

Pics will prove it if I buy a gaggle of gloves.

BL in EC

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:02:24 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion.  I 
> find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
> interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 
>
> Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My secret 
> weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a ton of 
> cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and durable and 
> fashionable.  
>
> The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything is 
> totally boring.  
>
> Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in boring 
> all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so I'm in 
> the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of gloves, in 
> two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  
>
> The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
> offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential for 
> my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't have 
> anything good.  
>
> Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
> options?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Bill Lindsay]

There's lots of good looking cycling clothing in 2024, in my opinion.  I 
find no trouble finding jerseys, bibs, shoes, socks and caps that are 
interesting to look at and that I enjoy wearing. 

Full finger gloves are cute and interesting for the most part.  My secret 
weapon is gardening gloves from the fancy garden store come in a ton of 
cute colors and are super affordable (by cycling standards) and durable and 
fashionable.  

The missing spot is short finger 'normal' cycling gloves.  Everything is 
totally boring.  

Last time around, I bought two pairs of boring Bongtrager gloves in boring 
all black and a boring blue.  Those are on their last legs and so I'm in 
the market to buy two or three pairs of the identical model of gloves, in 
two (or three) interesting colors (or 'colorway').  

The only interesting looking gloves are the bizarre graffiti looking 
offerings from Cycology.  Those are too loud and too self-referential for 
my tastes.  Even high end fashion brands like Rapha and Ostroy don't have 
anything good.  

Does anybody have a model of glove that comes in several good-looking 
options?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Willard Bay 200k

[Bill Lindsay]

"I turned 40 in the fall"

Just a baby in the Rando-community.  You've got a good 35 year career ahead 
of you.  ;-). 
7:36 is BLAZING, even with a speedy-group.  Tremendous work.  

Best wishes to your father.  
466 days to L-E-L!  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
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On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-7 Brady Smith wrote:

> I'd been looking forward to this ride for a long time. 
>
> I turned 40 in the fall, not long after my dad was diagnosed with 
> leukemia. He knew he was sick when he started the first day of RAGBRAI last 
> summer and found the first 40 hot and hilly miles of an 80 mile day 
> unbearably, miserably difficult. 
>
> He's fine now, at least for now, having made amazingly quick and 
> complication free work of chemotherapy and a bone marrow transplant, 
> facilitated by the extraordinary generosity of a college student whom I owe 
> a case of beer and then some when we're allowed to know who he is, and the 
> skill of the oncologists and transplant team at the University of Colorado. 
>
> Needless to say, this illness provoked a fair amount of reflection and no 
> small amount of urgency when it comes to cycling, especially since cycling 
> has been so central to our relationship, and since the appearance of the 
> leukemia on a week-long cycling event made it abundantly clear just how 
> quickly one can go from able to not-so-able. 
>
> I've been a randonneur for a while, having gotten into it during my days 
> commuting from Fort Lee, NJ into NYC. Until last year, I'd only ever 
> managed 200ks, largely due to family and work obligations. I've always 
> loved the sport, and wanted to do more, but it was also incredibly easy for 
> things to get in the way, especially given how limited our brevet calendar 
> is where I live now in Utah, and how busy one gets as an educator in the 
> spring. 
>
> This fall, though, I put my name in the lottery for 
> London-Edinburgh-London 2025, and I got in. I've never been a slow rider, 
> but I've never been particularly fast either. My 300k last year was 15 
> hours; I managed 400k in 21 hours, and that with a few flats and a sidewall 
> cut and some patching of tubes at a Wendy's while eating a cheeseburger in 
> the hopes of not having to do it again in the mountains in the dark. 
>
> I could probably manage LEL after a summer of randonneuring, but at 300k a 
> day for five days is imposing no matter what one has done before. I set a 
> goal to get faster--to lose some weight and finally be able to ride with 
> the PBP finishers who always blasted off at the start of our brevets, never 
> to be seen again. I doubled down on weekend nordic skiing this winter and 
> bought a Zwift hub, upon which I mount my Roadini, which is transformed, 
> somewhat irritatinglly, into an S-Works Tarmac in the app. Tired of running 
> alone in the dark and the cold before work, I started riding most mornings, 
> sometimes doing group rides, sometimes racing, sometimes just plugging 
> along next to a pacer bot. 
>
> It's boring but effective. I could tell on my first mountain bike rides 
> this spring that I was stronger. I was climbing hills in higher gears than 
> I ever had before. I set a new personal best up Emigration Canyon a few 
> weeks ago. But a 200k is not a short weekend ride, and my one opportunity 
> to go long ahead of this event was a mixed bag, though in hindsight that 
> was probably entirely due to having spent a few days prior couch surfing in 
> a friends' apartment in NYC. 
>
> When we pulled out of the Centerville Walmart and headed north along a 
> mostly flat course to the tiny town of Corinne, Utah and back again, my 
> plan was "Hold on as long as you can, but no longer." 
>
> It was a beautiful day, with a high of around 70 degrees, and a slight 
> headwind as we moved north, which meant that we would largely have the wind 
> at our backs as we came home. I stayed with the lead group, mostly much 
> more seasoned riders than me, up through the first control, thinking that 
> I'd drop back after we headed out to make sure I didn't blow up later in 
> the ride. 
>
> When push came to shove, though, I kept on going. The second quarter of 
> the ride was hilly and windy, and I started to feel a bit queasy as I 
> worked through a big section of rollers that led up to lunch. 
>
> At lunch, I mentally resolved to drop back and save myself the misery that 
> I figured was out ahead, but after eating and getting back on the road, I 
> couldn't bring myself to do it. I spent fifteen miles yo-yoing off the back 
> of the group, watching my heart rate spike, thinking that I was about to 
> lose them for good, until the pizza/soda/bratwurst/energy bar combo I ate 
> in Corinne kicked in, and I r

[RBW] Re: New Bike Day and other ride photos for the Road Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't know what flower that is.  It was on the porch of East Bay Coffee 
in Pinole, Ca.  The color was incredible.  

BL in EC

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:08:19 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Oh...a 3-speed Romulus!
>
> That RoadeoRosa just looks right...Doug is absolutely right. I'm waiting 
> to read about Bill's next brevet on that Roadeo; I suspect that bike rides 
> like a dream.
>
> I hate to betray my ignorance, but what are those flowers? Pansies? Great 
> shots.
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:52:31 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Agreed Joe. Bill is a good man. And, what a fleet of bikes! I love the 
>> look of drop bars on a road bike. To my older eyes they just look 
>> appropriate. I say that as I'm converting my recently acquired Roadini to 
>> an Albatross bar. 
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 7:10:34 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Not only Leah likes those folders, Bill. Sweet!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:52:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well that's just adorable. I mean this absolutely sincerely, you're a 
>>>> good man Bill Lindsay. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 6:13:33 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are the absolute best. You made a Ding Ding album? You broke your 
>>>>> own rules and rode your Romulus! You posed a pink road bike against a 
>>>>> floral backdrop? Hearts are coming out of my eyes. 
>>>>> Leah
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:45:09 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I built this Romulus over the Winter and have held off taking it on 
>>>>>> its first ride until after I knocked out another few S.M.A.R.T. goals.  
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> was especially eager to ride it because I just pulled together a sweet 
>>>>>> ILE 
>>>>>> porteur bag setup on a Riv Basket Rack.  Leah's thread that may result 
>>>>>> in 
>>>>>> her getting a Romulus finally made me take it out, on a ride to the 
>>>>>> dentist, the bakery and the wine shop.  Pics prove it happened.  This is 
>>>>>> my 
>>>>>> new Ding Ding Album to collect photos that I think Leah may like.  
>>>>>> Included 
>>>>>> is my Pink Roadeo in front of some great flowers that I took on my 
>>>>>> Sunday 
>>>>>> 100k.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720316423417/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] New Bike Day and other ride photos for the Road Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

I built this Romulus over the Winter and have held off taking it on its 
first ride until after I knocked out another few S.M.A.R.T. goals.  I was 
especially eager to ride it because I just pulled together a sweet ILE 
porteur bag setup on a Riv Basket Rack.  Leah's thread that may result in 
her getting a Romulus finally made me take it out, on a ride to the 
dentist, the bakery and the wine shop.  Pics prove it happened.  This is my 
new Ding Ding Album to collect photos that I think Leah may like.  Included 
is my Pink Roadeo in front of some great flowers that I took on my Sunday 
100k.  

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720316423417/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

"Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! "

I need to grab a bike right now to head over to the dentist.  I'm going to 
break my own self-imposed rule and ride my Romulus on its first ride.  Pics 
will prove it.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:02:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer on 
> a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you 
> find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. 
>
>
> I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden 
> it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be 
> Rom-riding this summer!
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>> this way as well.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin, TX burbs
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m 
>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>
>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Best way to measure frame

[Bill Lindsay]

If the bike pictured really is from ~2006, and if it has 700c wheels then 
I'd bet a dollar that it is the size they called a 58cm.  This Cyclofiend 
page has the historic Atlantis Geometry info. 
 http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html

Measure from the center of the cranks, along the seat tube to where the top 
of the top tube intersects the seat tube.  That should be damn close to 
58cm.  If it's not close to 58cm then decide what size on the chart is 
closer.  To confirm it's a 58, match some of the other numbers from the 
geometry chart. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:55 PM UTC-7 Art wrote:

> [image: IMG_0052.jpeg]I’ve been away from bikes and Riv for a few years. 
> I have a 2006 Atlantis and am not sure of the frame size. 
> What’s the best way to measure the frame..
> TIA. 
> …..Art
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer on a 
used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you find 
you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. 

I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden it, 
because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be 
Rom-riding this summer!

BL in EC

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
> this way as well.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX burbs
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
>> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
>> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
>> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
>> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
>> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
>> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Back in the saddle - literally

[Bill Lindsay]

Great story and congrats on your journey.  Your Atlantis should have 
excellent re-sale value.  There are lots of Riv-fans who dislike the 
extended wheel base of the current models and who don't mind the TCO of the 
older ones.  Surely they'll buy up your older Atlantis.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:31:13 AM UTC-7 Art wrote:

> I was heavily into road biking 2006-2012, doing ~ 100 mi/yr, annual 
> centuries (slowly), etc. I bought a Rambouillet and rode it for a while but 
> had pedal strike against front wheel. Grant let me exchange for an Atlantis 
> which was supposed to correct the pedal strike (it didn’t) so it has sat 
> barely used in the garage (I plan to sell it but that’s another story).
>
> So I retreated to my 1987 Panasonic DX-3000 steel bike. I outfitted it 
> with a triple up front, 11-34 rear, Noodle bars, 9-speed barcons, 
> clips/straps – full old school. I rode that bike hard. And since I liked 
> Riv bikes and predecessors, I obtained a Bridgestone RB-1. This was my 
> “fast bike”, at least for me. I put a double on it and  of course, the old 
> school build.
>
> Due to a knee replacement, foot surgery and just plain laziness, I’ve been 
> off the bikes for several years. I’ve lost a lot of weight and am healthier 
> than I have been (the gym has become my second home) and yoga, strength 
> training and cardio have greatly helped. Last weekend I took the Pan out 
> for a short ride, just to see if I could do it. Well, as they say, it was 
> “just like riding a bike”. Later in the week, I took out the RB-1 for a 
> slightly longer ride. *It felt so good to be back in the saddle again*.
>
> I now plan to include road riding as part of my continued health/fitness 
> regimen. Also, I’m rediscovering my liking for all things Riv. Rivendell 
> got me back into riding some 18 years ago and I still enjoy reading about 
> their current line up of bikes and other products.
>
> …..Art
>
>  
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

"@Bill could chime in on this"

I already have chimed in, and realize that she's getting prescriptive 
guidance in a lot of different directions.  She knows how to reach me if 
she wants more advice from me.  I trust her instincts and will eagerly 
anticipate the path she chooses.  She's a grown-up and will make a good 
decision which will lead her to the next decision and so on....  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:53:42 AM UTC-7 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> >> Have Bill help pick a good used bike for the wait. 
> What @Jim said.
> @Bill could chime in on this
>
> Look again at my post from 20:17 last night -- there's a bike co-op in 
> Grand Rapids that went belly-up and the successor is brooming out the 
> inventory.
>
> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.html
>  
>
> That there Centurion is a 1986 Ironman Expert, probably in 52 cm size, 
> built with Tange #1 tubing. The bike market is worse now than before the 
> pandemic, 
> and deals abound, so it's not too surprising. 
>
> These are Triathlon bikes, IOW time trialing, and have no need for 
> criterium quickness. They're built to be fast, and comfortable enough for a 
> full Ironman. Very much a period piece.
> It's a Nitto Technomic stem away from a Rivish riding position.
>
> The picture is lousy but the three details marked below make it likely I 
> got the ID right, incl. the goofy seat post.
> Compare to this valuation from 2014, and if you snoop around on bikeforums:
>
> https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage-bicycles-whats-worth-appraisals/931373-all-original-1986-centurion-ironman-expert-dave-scott-great-condition.html
>
> At a minimum, it's worth a look. 
> Learn something from a bike like this, THEN spend $3,500 on another Riv 
> build.
>
> cheers -mathias 
>
>
> [image: ironman86.jpg]
> [image: ironmanbf.jpg]
>
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:21:11 PM UTC-4 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> Raspberry Roadeo is definitely the last bike  you'll ever need. Have Bill 
>> help pick a good used bike for the wait.
>>
>> jim m
>> walnut creek
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:34:20 PM UTC-7 Nick A. wrote:
>>
>>> "Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, 
>>> you see."
>>>
>>> Lol yep. To quote The Dude, "the ins, the outs, the what-have-yous..."
>>>
>>> Also one enjoying this conversation.
>>>
>>> Nick "definitely totally haven't had to talk about bikes in this way 
>>> with my partner who shares a life with an eccentric" in Falls Church VA
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:48:46 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I haven’t read all the posts (so many, wow!) but I suggest trying a 
>>>> bike with drop bars to see if it’s a possibility for you.  A friend, or an 
>>>> lbs perhaps.  If the bike fits you well the bars might feel great, or 
>>>> something you think can grown on you with time.  Bad fit and likely the 
>>>> bars wouldn’t feel good, so that wouldn’t be a fair assessment.
>>>>
>>>> I love my newish Roadini.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:33:50 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>>>> ideal. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>>>>> what 
>>>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>>>>> before. 
>>>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>>>>> rate 
>>>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
>>>>> I’m 
>>>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Leah
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Bill Lindsay]

If it were me the decision is close enough that I'd probably leave it to 
the surrounding details of each transaction.  I'm a particularly snobby and 
self-absorbed curator of "builds" so that would be a huge vote in favor of 
the 700 because it's a frame, unless the curator of the 650b build did a 
lot of the things I would have done.  The effective "labor cost" of doing a 
build is essentially zero for me.  Is one a shop and the other a person? 
 That would have some weight for me.  If the shop was one that I could 
frequent, putting money in the register of a shop reaps benefits down the 
road.  If the person was one that I had particular respect for, that could 
tilt me a different way.  

Then there's color!  

but...if we took it to a purely hypothetical situation, and asserted they 
were both frames, both in identical condition, at the same price, and from 
the same seller, so the real and only difference was 650B vs 700, then I'd 
probably lean 700 because the 700 wheel on the 54.5 is "the latest", and 
probably has a tiny bit better future proof resale value.  If that wasn't 
the case and it really was completely wheel size then I'd personally 
probably lean 650B for a Hilsen, but it would be like a vote of 52 to 48, 
and my leaning may change on another day.

Both are great bikes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:20:48 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either bicycle 
> within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 5'11" with a 
> 83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 
>
> I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making this 
> decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price difference is 
> negligible. They both have similar components on it (the 650 is a complete 
> bike, the 700c I'd have to build up from a frameset and the cost is about 
> equal for both). 
>
> I mainly ride pavement and rail trails with the occasional wooded paths. 
>
> Thoughts? :) 
>

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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

"they don’t say to pump it up slowly"

Maybe your box reads differently than mine.  I will quote from the second 
sentence on Step 6:

"Rapid airflow seats the tire abruptly, overstretching the tube until it 
can rip"

That is the sentence I paraphrased as "don't pump it up fast, pump it up 
slowly". 

That's not germane here, because you used a floor pump.  I used a floor 
pump, too.  Sounds like you've got a pair of bum tubes.  

BL in EC

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 12:58:08 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> > On Apr 22, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> > 
> > Did you pay attention to the instructions on the box? Particularly with 
> respect to their warning that you want to pump it up slowly so the material 
> has a chance to stretch? I read that as a "no compressors" warning. I 
> always use my floor pump anyway, because that's the gauge I trust. I only 
> use my compressor to seat tubeless tires. 
> > 
>
> Silca floor pump. Started leaking on the 3rd or 4th stroke. And they don’t 
> say to pump it up slowly, they say to inflate it 20psi at a time. I was 
> nowhere near 20 psi.
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

"I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. "

Five hand-positions, defined and illustrated, by the lovely "Lovely 
Bicycle":

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/drop-bar-hand-positions-introduction.html

BL in EC
On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:16:35 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
> that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
> This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
> know.
>
> I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
> first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
> pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
> racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
> nothing! 
>
> Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community 
> and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up 
> learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of 
> people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from 
> home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or 
> enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of 
> experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It 
> wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a 
> rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the 
> itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve 
> been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start 
> using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up 
> what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a 
> road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being 
> uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a 
> peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought 
> albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral 
> and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, 
> so let’s go.
>
> Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am 
> definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have 
> similar questions.
>
> Thanks for taking the time!
> Leah
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah -
>>
>> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
>> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
>> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
>> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
>> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
>> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
>> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge 
>> the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.
>>
>> All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I 
>> know that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
>> Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
>> hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
>> stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
>> of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
>> where you point it.
>>
>> About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them 
>> Rivs) with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low 
>> on Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
>> drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
>> drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 2) 
>> on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats 
>> on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the 
>> Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.
>>
>> Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:07:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way 
>>> here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>>>
>>> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
>>> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
>>> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>>>
>>> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of 
>>> the bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
>>> offers? 
>>>
>>> I practiced tonight 

Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

People consider me weird regardless.  ;-)

Did you pay attention to the instructions on the box?  Particularly with 
respect to their warning that you want to pump it up slowly so the material 
has a chance to stretch?  I read that as a "no compressors" warning.  I 
always use my floor pump anyway, because that's the gauge I trust.  I only 
use my compressor to seat tubeless tires.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 12:11:38 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> Yeah, I was going to call it that but thought people would consider me 
> weird. ;-)
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 1:31 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> That little ring on mine is not glued down.  It reminds me of a 
> "Shakespeare collar", properly called a ruff:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruff_(clothing)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
>> morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third 
>> will serve as a spare. 
>>
>>
>> Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round 
>> piece of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little 
>> collar, that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached 
>> to the tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it 
>> probably would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes 
>> - is that collar attached or flapping around?
>>
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

Photo of the Tube Ruff:

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53672228005/in/dateposted/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:31:55 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> That little ring on mine is not glued down.  It reminds me of a 
> "Shakespeare collar", properly called a ruff:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruff_(clothing)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
>> morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third 
>> will serve as a spare. 
>>
>>
>> Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round 
>> piece of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little 
>> collar, that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached 
>> to the tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it 
>> probably would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes 
>> - is that collar attached or flapping around?
>>
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

That little ring on mine is not glued down.  It reminds me of a 
"Shakespeare collar", properly called a ruff:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruff_(clothing)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Apr 22, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
> morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third 
> will serve as a spare. 
>
>
> Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round piece 
> of plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little collar, 
> that seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached to the 
> tube - it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it probably 
> would have prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes - is that 
> collar attached or flapping around?
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
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[RBW] Re: TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bill Lindsay]

I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third 
will serve as a spare.  They measured 56g each and the butyl tubes I 
removed weighed 358g combined, so that's over a half-pound of weight 
reduction.  Mine have the black (longer) valve stem, and the very cute blue 
valve caps.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:51:53 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:02:25 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
> FYI - The RH instructions say to inflate slowly and immediately deflate 
> the tubes completely after the tire pops into position, then reinflate.
>
>
> Well, I put them on my Riv Road today, was very careful with the 
> installation, and had the same result. One of the tubes broke at the valve 
> stem immediately on inflation in the tire. The rims are narrow Fir, and the 
> tires are a pretty tight fit. I used levers to remove the tire but was able 
> to reinstall without levers. New tires with only a few rides on them.
>
> So, I've needed 6 tubes to get 4 tires going. That makes the economics a 
> little harder to justify. It also makes carrying a new one as a spare a bit 
> of Russian roulette.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

Leah

Here's an exceptionally good value on an exceedingly solid road bike that 
could hold you over while you wait for the perfect Rivendell, -AND/OR- to 
act as a  test platform for the unknown parts of a potential build concept. 
 This is the kind of value I'd try to sniff out for you:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-52cm-trek-usa-purple/7721534636.html

I don't know for sure it's the right size but I do know I'm 5'10" and would 
ride the 58 in that model.  

BL

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 6:12:20 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Bill, I think I would love an albastache build. I ALSO like the idea of 
> you being my personal shopper. I think I’m pretty biased to staying with 
> Riv; I can’t be hurting Grant’s feelings, you know. But I love this 
> Michigan connection! If we did get a road bike and you got all kinds of 
> say-so in the build then you would for sure have to say APPROVE when I post 
> it on the List. Very gratifying, indeed.
>
> On Apr 20, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road bike, 
> and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After 
> selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
> Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was 
> the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
> than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
> randonneuse.  
>
> Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
> best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer 
> batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  
>
> I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
> casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had 
> at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
> and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
> personal shopper.  :)
>
> Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up 
> with an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a 
> placeholder road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and 
> then you'll have both!  
>
> Do let me know if you want more advice
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
>> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
>> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
>> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
>> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
>> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
>> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

Leah

My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road bike, 
and I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After 
selling that, and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my 
Black Mountain Road in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was 
the deal of the century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more 
than just a stripped down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c 
randonneuse.  

Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my 
best-ever brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer 
batch with its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".  

I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend 
casting a wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had 
at a really good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist 
and the next time I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your 
personal shopper.  :)

Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up with 
an albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a placeholder 
road bike could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and then you'll 
have both!  

Do let me know if you want more advice

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Bill Lindsay]

This is exactly what I meant above when I mentioned the skill "how not to 
buy the wrong bike".  That's very good work you've done.  

BL in EC

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 9:42:05 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Right on cue I was just comparing (via bike insights) my Clem L size 52 to 
> the 54.5 AHH. The upcoming Roaduno is reportedly “essentially a Homer”. I 
> have been wondering if I would be able to achieve a Roaduno fit similar to 
> my Clem. It would appear that might be difficult. Stack is good on the AHH, 
> so I can get the bars high. But the reach! 99mm, nearly 10cm shorter? And I 
> use a 135 FacePlater on the Clem in order to get the Bosco’s in a good 
> place. And the wheelbase; Clem’s is more than 17cm longer!! I know the 
> Roaduno & Clem are by design markedly different animals. But this certainly 
> proves the worth of the kind of information available from bike insights. 
> Much to my disappointment, the Roaduno might not be for me.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 19, 2024, at 11:53 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Bike Insights is terrific way to visualize Stack and Reach.  It's 
> excellent.  The fact they have a huge "inventory" of bike data makes it 
> particularly convenient, especially if you have a bike you love that's 
> already in there.  It can get really tricky for some Rivendells because Riv 
> doesn't have "model years" or batch identifiers, so sometimes you may be 
> looking at the wrong thing.  
>
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 5:21:14 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Without taking a deep dive into the geometry numbers I wanted to share my 
>> personal experience.  For reference my other Rivs are a 62 Sam and a 60 
>> Platypus. My PBH is 93.5 cm. Going by Rivendell's approach to sizing I 
>> ordered a 61.5 Homer earlier this year. I ordered the Platypus and the AHH 
>> at the same time and asked Will to hold off on shipping them because I was 
>> scheduled to be away from home for an extended period. My plan for the AHH 
>> was to use it as a drop bar road bike. While I was waiting for the bikes to 
>> ship I studied the geometry comparisons on Bike Insights of my 62 Sam and 
>> the 61.5 AHH. After much hand wringing I became considered that the reach 
>> was longer then I was comfortable with. After discussing it with Will I 
>> decided to size down to the 58 Homer knowing that this would be a drop bar 
>> set up. Comparing the 58 Homer to the 62 Sam that I already own the 
>> geometry was pretty close. I am riding the Homer with a 8 cm stem and 
>> Noodle bars. The Sam has a 5 Cm stem and Crust X Nitto Shaka bars.  There 
>> is a little more seat post showing than I normally would have but at the 
>> end of the day I am perfectly happy with the fit of the 58 Homer. If you 
>> have uncertainty about sizing my recommendation is to consult geo sites 
>> like Bike Insights but it's really important to talk to the guys at 
>> Rivendell. They do a great job with size recommendation. 
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 9:04:11 PM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>
>>> This is a useful discussion.I looked up Sam geometry for myself. The 
>>> bikes that fit me have top tube lengths of 56 to 59 cm, and they come in 
>>> seat tube lengths from 52 to 64 cm -- that last one a Cannondale ST600 in 
>>> 25", great riding bike, that gives me basically zero standover clearance. I 
>>> ride it with a Nitto Noodle and a 60 mm long Technomic stem.
>>>
>>> The 57 cm Sam has an "effective "top-tube length of 60 cm.
>>> The 54 cm has 58 cm, right in the middle of my accustomed range.
>>>
>>> My Bruce Gordon/Taiwan BLT has just about the same geometry as my 
>>> Cannondale T400 in 23" size -- 58.4 cm top tube, and those bikes fit really 
>>> well. 
>>> The BLT is the one with the 52 cm (c-to-c) seat tube. I talked to the 
>>> man himself whne I bought it, because that seemed so small, and he 
>>> convinced me (*).
>>>
>>> So for me, 6 foot nothing and 89 cm PBH, I'd get the 54 Sam since I want 
>>> the drop bar, never mind the Rivendell sizing charts. 
>>> They can say "works great with drops or upright bars," and not really be 
>>> wrong," but it's hardly the same bike then. 
>>>  
>>> I took this picture on my winter beater to illustrate the point. There's 
>>> 10-15 cm difference in the hand positions between the drop bar (VO 
>>> Randonneur) and the Nitto Northrads bar, which has fairly mild width and 
>>> backsweep.  With an Albatross or Bosco, I might want the 60 cm Sam with 
&g

Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Bill Lindsay]

Idle curiosity: that's fair.  My executive summary on that front would 
start with you asking a different question:

If Patrick Moore asked: "Do y'all think I should experiment with tubulars 
on "*that Libertas"*?"
then I would answer: "No, I don't think Patrick Moore should experiment 
with tubulars on *that Libertas.*  They are not objectively "way faster" or 
"way smoother" than the best modern clinchers" 

What Patrick Moore actually asked in the initial response was two-fold:
Is it true that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent 
tubulars? I believe that they can
With tubes or only tubeless?  I believe with tubes and without sealant is 
currently considered "the fastest".

I could write many pages about my story of sew up use over the last 40 
years, but I'll cut to the chase that my use of sew ups today in 2024 is 
purely because it's cool.  I've got three sew up wheel sets in my garage at 
the moment, ready to be put into action.  Even the new pink Roadeo has a 
sew up option.  Sew ups on a cyclocross race build is just cool.  It's not 
better.  It's not faster.  It's just cool.  The particular reason I put sew 
ups on my Legolas was practical:  I was building my Roadeo, experimented 
with a wheel set which was supposed to generate better braking, which 
instead generated horrible braking.  I could "fix" the Roadeo by inheriting 
the clincher wheels from the Legolas.  I found cyclocross sew ups on eBay 
for crazy cheap.  So the Legolas became more cool (in my eyes) and the 
Roadeo was permitted to become a bicycle.  I've only ridden the Legolas ~20 
miles on pavement since the sew ups went on.  It's the same bike, only 
cooler.  

I do not think Patrick Moore's cycling life would be enhanced by 
experimenting with sew ups, unless Patrick Moore decided to consider sew 
ups "cool".  I do not believe there is any objective case to be made to 
prove to Patrick Moore that he must try sew ups.  Not speed, not comfort. 
 The physical act of glueing on a tire is a maneuver that I suspect Patrick 
Moore would find frustrating.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:49:03 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Yeah, Bill is always mean to me; I'm used to it.
>
> Bill: Idle curiosity, that's all. I read Jan Heine somewhere saying that 
> very good modern clinchers are actually faster than good tubulars and I 
> wondered if anyone has ridden both and can compare them from personal 
> experience. There was a time when I toyed with the idea of trying tubulars, 
> perhaps on that very Libertas, but I'm so happy with the great clinchers 
> from Schwalbe and RH and Soma that I really don't have much motivation to 
> do that.
>
> Libertas: Still need to take it to my brother's house to get a better idea 
> of how fat a tire it will take in the different diameters.The frame is no 
> good to me for the use I'd last planned for it -- an allrounder beater that 
> can ride on the firmer (= shallower sand) ditchbank roads, which requires a 
> minimum of 38 mm and better 42. The frame cannot take 622X38s in front or 
> rear; it won't take 559 X 50s, and I have to figure out if it will take 584 
> X 42s or even 38s. 
>
> I may do a little impromptu vise-work on the inside of the rear stays  
>  we'll see.
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 9:26 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I don't think it's cynical or aggressive, I'm just trying to get the 
>> context of Patrick Moore's tubular-curiosity.  
>>
>> Lots of people read the RBW group because it's something to read that 
>> generates interesting stuff.  The majority of the users are lurkers and 
>> that's perfectly OK
>> Lots of people pick up info on one Google Group board and then insert it 
>> into another where they think it can be helpful.  That's also perfectly OK
>> Some people are just lifelong learners and want to learn everything there 
>> is to know about bicycles, even the stuff they'd never buy.  That's also 
>> fine.
>> Some people want to gather info about a specific project on the horizon, 
>> and having that target in mind can help focus the exchange
>> Finally, Patrick Moore has been sitting on a frame set, with a 
>> 5-year-long narrative of intents to build it.  That's the only machine in 
>> his possession that I know of that could feasibly "take" sew-ups.  I 
>> excitedly asked about that.  
>>
>> I think those are five very different and perfectly reasonable motives, 
>> and could help generate responses that get the asker what they want.  Maybe 
>> you picked up cynicism or aggressiveness because you suspect Patrick Moore 
>> and I are strangers.  That is not the case.  We go back over a decade.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
&g

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Bill Lindsay]

 to 
>>>>> discourage sizing up especially if you are diving into the sweptback 
>>>>> movement the kids are into these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:02:45 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OP here, apologies for deleting the post amidst the thoughtful 
>>>>>> conversation, I thought that I got the answer I needed and didn't want 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> clutter up the board :p 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will at Riv suggested that I size up to the 54. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The context was: compared to my current bike, a drop-bar 55cm Salsa 
>>>>>> Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 55cm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
>>>>>> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
>>>>>> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
>>>>>> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
>>>>>> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. That nearly 2" 
>>>>>> increase of standover height gives me pause, to be honest. But eh, seems 
>>>>>> that the wisdom of the riding community suggests sizing up. 
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:56:06 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Echoing Bill on here. I also look at stack and reach, and have 
>>>>>>> nearly the same dimensions as the OP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had a 53 Atlantis from the last run as it was correct for my PBH 
>>>>>>> as I’m between the 53 and 55, after deep dives on stack and reach(in 
>>>>>>> particular) I realized what made the bike *feel* small to me. I 
>>>>>>> should’ve sized up to a 55 instead, and similar to Bill have now 
>>>>>>> scooped a 
>>>>>>> 56 hillborne from another list member as it’s the biggest size non step 
>>>>>>> over riv I can fit. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roman told me that the 54 Sam would feel bigger as far as 
>>>>>>> standover(mostly due to the 700c wheels) but the bike might feel 
>>>>>>> similar to 
>>>>>>> the Atlantis for stack and the reach is shorter. He actually suggested 
>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>> 60cm Plat with my seat slammed since I’m 6 ft tall. And I know Grant 
>>>>>>> rides 
>>>>>>> a 59cm Clem with only a slightly taller PBH than I have. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All that to say, I think I’ll be sizing up henceforth as I like 
>>>>>>> toscos or albatross bars usually and don’t mind the straddle heigh 
>>>>>>> being 
>>>>>>> close!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 6:42:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Johnny said: "the 51 SH I owned seemed as large or larger than the 
>>>>>>>> 54cm Rambo"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with that.  A 51 Sam is "bigger" than a 54cm Rambouillet, 
>>>>>>>> IMO.  My comment had to do with the OP's height at 5'11".  A 5'11" 
>>>>>>>> person 
>>>>>>>> would probably do best on a 60cm Ram.  At 5'10" I'd pick a 60cm if you 
>>>>>>>> gave 
>>>>>>>> me any size I choose.  A 57 Hillborne would be a little bigger than a 
>>>>>>>> 60 
>>>>>>>> Ram, and a 54 Hilborne would be a little smaller.  The OP deleted 
>>>>>>>> their 
>>>>>>>> post so it's maybe a thread we should let die.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's a comment to those who are super confused by the numbers 
>>>>>>>> associated with bike sizing:  it is super confusing.  Different people 
>>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>>> different approaches to normalize bike fitting.  The method I use 

Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't think it's cynical or aggressive, I'm just trying to get the 
context of Patrick Moore's tubular-curiosity.  

Lots of people read the RBW group because it's something to read that 
generates interesting stuff.  The majority of the users are lurkers and 
that's perfectly OK
Lots of people pick up info on one Google Group board and then insert it 
into another where they think it can be helpful.  That's also perfectly OK
Some people are just lifelong learners and want to learn everything there 
is to know about bicycles, even the stuff they'd never buy.  That's also 
fine.
Some people want to gather info about a specific project on the horizon, 
and having that target in mind can help focus the exchange
Finally, Patrick Moore has been sitting on a frame set, with a 5-year-long 
narrative of intents to build it.  That's the only machine in his 
possession that I know of that could feasibly "take" sew-ups.  I excitedly 
asked about that.  

I think those are five very different and perfectly reasonable motives, and 
could help generate responses that get the asker what they want.  Maybe you 
picked up cynicism or aggressiveness because you suspect Patrick Moore and 
I are strangers.  That is not the case.  We go back over a decade.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> That's a very cynical & aggressive response to that question. 
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:26:27 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have something to 
>> read?  So you can pick up a smart comment to re-use in another forum later? 
>>  Just as an academic consideration about "Bicycle"?  Or for some practical 
>> application that you are personally considering?  Are you thinking about 
>> setting up *"that Libertas" * with tubulars?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 2:58:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be interested to hear how users of both compare the ride and "feel" 
>>> of tubulars to clinchers with tubes and tubeless clinchers.* Is it true 
>>> that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent tubulars? With 
>>> tubes or only tubeless?
>>>
>>>
>>> * I realize that "wired on" is the correct term but this isn't the CR 
>>> list.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>>> A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that 
>>>> they run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell with 
>>>> sew-ups!  
>>>>
>>>> Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike, 
>>>> but it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up.  
>>>> No, I will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using it 
>>>> for rides of that kind.  
>>>>
>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Bill Lindsay]

"interested to hear how..."  to what end?  Just so you have something to 
read?  So you can pick up a smart comment to re-use in another forum later? 
 Just as an academic consideration about "Bicycle"?  Or for some practical 
application that you are personally considering?  Are you thinking about 
setting up *"that Libertas" * with tubulars?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 2:58:29 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'll be interested to hear how users of both compare the ride and "feel" 
> of tubulars to clinchers with tubes and tubeless clinchers.* Is it true 
> that modern supple clinchers can roll better than equivalent tubulars? With 
> tubes or only tubeless?
>
>
> * I realize that "wired on" is the correct term but this isn't the CR list.
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:42 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that they 
>> run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell with 
>> sew-ups!  
>>
>> Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike, but 
>> it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up.  No, I 
>> will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using it for 
>> rides of that kind.  
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Bill Lindsay]

Johnny said: "the 51 SH I owned seemed as large or larger than the 54cm 
Rambo"

I agree with that.  A 51 Sam is "bigger" than a 54cm Rambouillet, IMO.  My 
comment had to do with the OP's height at 5'11".  A 5'11" person would 
probably do best on a 60cm Ram.  At 5'10" I'd pick a 60cm if you gave me 
any size I choose.  A 57 Hillborne would be a little bigger than a 60 Ram, 
and a 54 Hilborne would be a little smaller.  The OP deleted their post so 
it's maybe a thread we should let die.  

Here's a comment to those who are super confused by the numbers associated 
with bike sizing:  it is super confusing.  Different people have different 
approaches to normalize bike fitting.  The method I use is pretty common, 
and pretty contemporary, and that is Stack and Reach.  I keep my Stack and 
Reach numbers in my pocket and go from there.  The numbers I use are 600mm 
for Stack and 390mm for Reach for a roadish drop bar setup.  I have a ton 
of bikes, and the names of their sizes range from 47 all the way to 62, but 
are all where I want them to be in Stack and Reach.  Looking for those 
numbers the 54 is right there in Stack for 5'10" me, but it's a little 
short in the Reach department so I'd need to run a longer stem with drop 
bars and forget about it for any kind of upright bar setup.  The extra 
reach of the 57 would make an upright bar setup more straightforward, and I 
could slam the stem because the stack is high.  If you have a bike that 
"fits" I think it's a really good idea to figure out the Stack and Reach on 
that bike and use it for comparison.  The OP on this thread said they have 
a Salsa Vaya.  Looking over that geo-chart, I can say for certain I would 
not ride a Salsa Vaya in any size.  None of them gets me in the 
neighborhood of where I'd want to be in Stack and Reach.  I think that's 
another important piece of knowledge: to know that not every bike model on 
Earth comes in "your size" and to know how to not-buy the wrong bike.  In 
2024 where there are fewer and fewer "test rides", that's an important 
ability.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 3:02:07 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> With the way these bikes are designed the 51 SH I owned seemed as large or 
> larger than the 54cm Rambo that I owned at the same time. For road riding I 
> would not have wanted to go larger. But I also admit that I don't like 
> having no standover clearance so thats part of it for me. One of the big 
> reasons I like step-over/thru frames. But IMO Riv's already have fairly 
> long reach and (obviousl) long wheelbases so moving up for a drop bar setup 
> just seems way to stretches out. Honestly I prefer the 50cm Gallop I have 
> for road stuff to the 51cm SH I had.
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 5:24:51 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>
>> It's pretty wild the differing opinions people have on upsizing or 
>> downsizing based on cockpit choices. I'm with Bill on this, and I think Riv 
>> tends to suggest smaller sizes than necessary, maybe because there's still 
>> consumer pushback to running shorter stems? Everyone thinks they need a 
>> 10cm for optimum handling or something. 
>>
>> But why would one aim for a 51 Hillborne to use drops and a 54 to use 
>> sweptback bars? The reach difference is 6mm! That's less than the 
>> difference between the stem you have and the next size up or down. 
>>
>> Maybe it's better from a consumer happiness standpoint to have customers 
>> on a too small bike, as they'll feel more comfortable with the extra 
>> standover clearance, and Riv has moved far more upright than even the 
>> recent past. When in-between two sizes I'll always go for the largest I can 
>> standover (on a roadish bike anyways)
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> OOPS! the OP deleted their post.  It's worth pointing out to people that 
>>> this Google Group is basically an email activity.  You can delete a post, 
>>> but it's deleted the same way an email is deleted.  It's out there.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:32:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm 5'10", shorter than the OP, and I think I'm between sizes on the 
>>>> Hillbornebut not between 51 and 54.  I think I'm between 54 and 57 on 
>>>> the Hillborne.  
>>>>
>>>> My Saddle Height is 75.5cm, so my PBH is probably in the 85-86 range. 
>>>>  I own an older 56cm Hillborne which is perfect, used to run a 56cm 
>>>> Bombadil which was perfect. 
>>>>
>>>> When I went to buy an original run Leo Roadini, the Riv guys leaned 
>>>> towards a 54

[RBW] Rivendells with tubulars

[Bill Lindsay]

A discussion a while back touched on a couple people revealing that they 
run sew-ups on their Rivendell.  Show a photo of your Rivendell with 
sew-ups!  

Here's my 57cm Legolas.  I briefly reconfigured it as a 2x road bike, but 
it's in-process getting switched back to a cyclocross racing set up.  No, I 
will not be racing cyclocross any time soon, but I will be using it for 
rides of that kind.  

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53661740502/in/dateposted/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Bill Lindsay]

OOPS! the OP deleted their post.  It's worth pointing out to people that 
this Google Group is basically an email activity.  You can delete a post, 
but it's deleted the same way an email is deleted.  It's out there.  

BL in EC

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:32:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'm 5'10", shorter than the OP, and I think I'm between sizes on the 
> Hillbornebut not between 51 and 54.  I think I'm between 54 and 57 on 
> the Hillborne.  
>
> My Saddle Height is 75.5cm, so my PBH is probably in the 85-86 range.  I 
> own an older 56cm Hillborne which is perfect, used to run a 56cm Bombadil 
> which was perfect. 
>
> When I went to buy an original run Leo Roadini, the Riv guys leaned 
> towards a 54.  I was surprised because that felt like a significant 
> downsize.  I disagreed with them and got a 57 and it was terrific, albeit 
> with no standover clearance.  If I had to replace my 56 Hillborne with a 
> current Hillborne I'd almost definitely get a 57.  
>
> Does that make me ever more of a weird upsizer than the reputation Riv has 
> with people like Johnny?  I'm not sure.  The idea of a 5'11" human on a 
> 51cm Hillborne doesn't seem right to me.  
>
> Is your Salsa Vaya a perfect fit?  do you want to share a photo of your 
> setup?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 9:38:33 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I agree with Johnny. Think about how you mostly want this bike set up and 
>> size accordingly. You had mentioned wanting an Albatross bar setup, so if 
>> it were me, I would go with the 54cm and longer top tube that will play 
>> nicely with the swept-back bars and longer stem required for said bars. I 
>> also have a PBH that's between 83-84, even though I'm a little shorter than 
>> you. If I were buying a new Sam, I would purchase the 54cm size, and I 
>> would probably also run some sort of swept-back cockpit. I already have a 
>> drop bar Riv, and a fat-tired Riv, and those are the only two factors that 
>> would make me want to size down to a 51cm.
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex KY
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I am between sizes as well and my general rule is...if I want a more 
>>> traditional setup/fit (maybe with drop bars) I size down. If I want to go 
>>> laid back, more sweptback style I go up. With your PBH if you want drops go 
>>> with the 51 otherwise the 54 might be best. If you want to size up but the 
>>> standover gives you pause then consider a Platypus. I understand the advice 
>>> to call Rivendell but (from my experience) they are almost always going to 
>>> push you into a go larger direction and that has not historically always 
>>> worked for me.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:20:35 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oooh, a new Sam - exciting!
>>>>
>>>> 1) Send Riv an email and get their recommendation, they're great with 
>>>> this stuff.
>>>>
>>>> 2) I'm a similar height but have an 87cm PBH. With your torso length 
>>>> I'm guessing you'll want more reach, the concern is the standover on the 
>>>> 54cm Sam if you max out the tires. Either way you'll probably want a long 
>>>> stem on that Albatross. My 58cm top tube Albatross bike has a 120mm stem. 
>>>> The drop tube bikes (Susie, Platypus, Clem) are great for getting a longer 
>>>> fit without worrying about standover; I'm on a 60cm Platypus and the reach 
>>>> is luxurious.
>>>>
>>>> -Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:43:16 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Haven't had luck pinning down a used bike this last week, so I'm 
>>>>> thinking I might try and buy a new Sam in May/June with the refresh and I 
>>>>> don't know if the 51 or 54 frame size is the right choice. Compared to my 
>>>>> current bike, a 55cm Salsa Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 
>>>>> 55cm...
>>>>>
>>>>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
>>>>> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>>>>>
>>>>> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
>>>>> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>>>>>
>>>>> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
>>>>> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
>>>>> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to run Albatross bars and be comfy about it. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Which frame size should I choose? 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm 5'10", shorter than the OP, and I think I'm between sizes on the 
Hillbornebut not between 51 and 54.  I think I'm between 54 and 57 on 
the Hillborne.  

My Saddle Height is 75.5cm, so my PBH is probably in the 85-86 range.  I 
own an older 56cm Hillborne which is perfect, used to run a 56cm Bombadil 
which was perfect. 

When I went to buy an original run Leo Roadini, the Riv guys leaned towards 
a 54.  I was surprised because that felt like a significant downsize.  I 
disagreed with them and got a 57 and it was terrific, albeit with no 
standover clearance.  If I had to replace my 56 Hillborne with a current 
Hillborne I'd almost definitely get a 57.  

Does that make me ever more of a weird upsizer than the reputation Riv has 
with people like Johnny?  I'm not sure.  The idea of a 5'11" human on a 
51cm Hillborne doesn't seem right to me.  

Is your Salsa Vaya a perfect fit?  do you want to share a photo of your 
setup?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 9:38:33 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I agree with Johnny. Think about how you mostly want this bike set up and 
> size accordingly. You had mentioned wanting an Albatross bar setup, so if 
> it were me, I would go with the 54cm and longer top tube that will play 
> nicely with the swept-back bars and longer stem required for said bars. I 
> also have a PBH that's between 83-84, even though I'm a little shorter than 
> you. If I were buying a new Sam, I would purchase the 54cm size, and I 
> would probably also run some sort of swept-back cockpit. I already have a 
> drop bar Riv, and a fat-tired Riv, and those are the only two factors that 
> would make me want to size down to a 51cm.
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I am between sizes as well and my general rule is...if I want a more 
>> traditional setup/fit (maybe with drop bars) I size down. If I want to go 
>> laid back, more sweptback style I go up. With your PBH if you want drops go 
>> with the 51 otherwise the 54 might be best. If you want to size up but the 
>> standover gives you pause then consider a Platypus. I understand the advice 
>> to call Rivendell but (from my experience) they are almost always going to 
>> push you into a go larger direction and that has not historically always 
>> worked for me.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:20:35 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Oooh, a new Sam - exciting!
>>>
>>> 1) Send Riv an email and get their recommendation, they're great with 
>>> this stuff.
>>>
>>> 2) I'm a similar height but have an 87cm PBH. With your torso length I'm 
>>> guessing you'll want more reach, the concern is the standover on the 54cm 
>>> Sam if you max out the tires. Either way you'll probably want a long stem 
>>> on that Albatross. My 58cm top tube Albatross bike has a 120mm stem. The 
>>> drop tube bikes (Susie, Platypus, Clem) are great for getting a longer fit 
>>> without worrying about standover; I'm on a 60cm Platypus and the reach is 
>>> luxurious.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:43:16 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Haven't had luck pinning down a used bike this last week, so I'm 
>>>> thinking I might try and buy a new Sam in May/June with the refresh and I 
>>>> don't know if the 51 or 54 frame size is the right choice. Compared to my 
>>>> current bike, a 55cm Salsa Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 
>>>> 55cm...
>>>>
>>>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
>>>> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>>>>
>>>> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
>>>> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>>>>
>>>> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
>>>> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
>>>> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. 
>>>>
>>>> I would like to run Albatross bars and be comfy about it. 
>>>>
>>>> Which frame size should I choose? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Bill Lindsay]

All I've seen is this quote from the Email Update:

"After we get Susies, we'll have Sams 
<https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-sam-hillborne-2020> in May/June and 
then Roadunos. More info on that next week, probably. "

 this tells me it always changes, and so we've got to plan based on the 
latest info.  If you are patiently waiting for something super specific, 
it's a good idea to email Will about it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 12:34:24 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> @Luke: Where did you see the Atlantis was going to be available this year? 
> I've not seen it on the roadmap that was posted around. Anyone have more 
> info on this? 
>
> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:28:35 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 
>
>
>>
>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot 
>>> of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
>>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
>>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
>>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
>>> the other one.
>>>
>>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
>>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
>>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
>>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
>>> for.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>>>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>>>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>>>> Ram.
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Seven Speed Hubs

[Bill Lindsay]

Mitchell

You should email Will about your questions.  I had a similar idea about 
going 126mm, but I imagine I would just machine down the end cap on my 
lathe.  Running the numbers, they say that the center to flange distances 
for 135mm are: 38.3mm and 21.8mm.  If we just lopped off 9mm from the left 
to get to 126mm, that would shift the center over by 4.5mm, so the drive 
side center to flange would become 17.3mm, and the non-drive-side center to 
flange would be 42.8mm.  That's a pretty extreme imbalance.  17mm is not 
uncommon with 11-speed hubs, but 42.8mm is massive and would mean the NDS 
tension would be really low.  So, what I'd look for is to see if there's 
room to take 2 or 3mm off the drive side end cap instead of taking it all 
off the NDS.  If we could get those center to flange numbers to around 40mm 
and 20mm, that would be something I could be more comfortable with.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:50:21 AM UTC-7 Mitchell Gass wrote:

> These check a lot of my boxes:  great for low-dish wheels, cold-forged 
> body, steel cassette body, cartridge bearings. I was going to contact Riv 
> with some questions about them, but maybe people here already know the 
> answers:
>
> - Do they include quick releases?
> - They're currently 135 mm OLN only. When will the end caps for 130 mm OLN 
> be available?
> - Are there any thoughts about getting end caps for 126 OLN?
> - What's involved in replacing the bearings and lubing the pawls? What 
> tools are needed? What bearings does it take? Is there, or will there be, a 
> video showing how to take these apart and put them back together?
> - Will Riv carry spare parts for these, such as replacement pawls and 
> cassette bodies?
>
> Mitchell Gass
> Berkeley CA USA
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 5:48:00 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Yes...they are good-looking hubs. Did you buy them?
>>
>> On Friday, April 12, 2024 at 6:48:19 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> [image: R0005110.jpeg]Yes, these are really, really nice. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Very belated SFR 300k ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

Thanks Noah.  I'll be riding that same bike for the Fault Line 200 on cinco 
de mayo and the Hamilton 200 on June 1.  That'll take me to the halfway 
point for an R12 medal.  

BL #6551

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:00:41 PM UTC-7 Noah Swartz wrote:

> Oh, I saw you at the start Bill! Love the matching fenders!
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 12:11 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bill, I'm glad you had a good ride with your Roadeo.  Your post 
>> reminded me that I took a picture of my bike after the 300k, so I've 
>> attached it here.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>> [image: IMG_1793.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 7:26 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Good work Toshi!  
>>>
>>> I also skipped the 400, which would have been my first, and instead went 
>>> for a fast 200 yesterday on the Two-Rock Valley Ford route.  It was my 
>>> first long ride on my new pink Roadeo, which was very fun
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 10:30:08 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
>>>> About a month ago, I rode the SFR 300k event.  Prior to the 300k, I 
>>>> rode the SFR 200k event and completed it successfully.  I hoped to add to 
>>>> my training, but I was only able to take one ride in the weekend ~28 hilly 
>>>> miles to supplement my 4-5 days of commuting during the week.
>>>>
>>>> Despite the lack of long miles, I was confident that if I stuck to my 
>>>> plan of taking it easy on the hills and limiting my stopping time, then I 
>>>> could have a good outcome.  
>>>>
>>>> The 300k route is very similar to the Russian River 200k route, except 
>>>> the extra 100k comes from riding from the out and back from San Francisco 
>>>> towards Fairfax-Olema.  There were a few extra km in the mostly flats 
>>>> around Santa Rosa too.
>>>>
>>>> I had around a 10 hour 200k, so I was targeting a 10 + 6 hour =16 hour 
>>>> 300k.
>>>>
>>>> I made my chicken sausage/egg/rice "sushi" rolls and then didn't stop 
>>>> at all for food.  I took a couple quick bathroom breaks and a water break, 
>>>> but the only substantial time off the bike was my two flats.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately my rear tire picked up some steel belted tire wires that 
>>>> went through my Grand Bois Hetre tire and gave it a slow flat.  These 
>>>> annoying metal wires can only be removed by pliers, so it is a good idea 
>>>> to 
>>>> carry one in your toolkit.  I have a mini leatherman tool that I have in 
>>>> my 
>>>> bike bag.
>>>>
>>>> --One thing I did notice was that my tire had some sidewall damage 
>>>> despite being stored inside and the tire being relatively new.  I booted 
>>>> the tire with a sticky park tire boot and continued on to the end without 
>>>> mishap.  I'm not sure when the tire damage happened and need to make sure 
>>>> to check my tires before a long ride more carefully.
>>>>
>>>> Despite the 2 flats, I finished in about 16 hours, so overall it was a 
>>>> good ride in that I reached my desired goal.
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't do the SFR 400k, which was yesterday, ending today, due to 
>>>> an orchestra concert today.  It was a bit wet out there, so I hope 
>>>> everyone 
>>>> who did it managed ok. Actually, a couple years ago I rode the 400k and 
>>>> played in a concert the following day.  I wasn't so confident this time!
>>>>
>>>> Several years ago I rode a wet 400k and finished around 23 hours 
>>>> (brutal!) and did the very stupid thing of trying to drive home without 
>>>> taking a nap.  I caught myself falling asleep on the drive home and could 
>>>> have killed myself.  I promise to rest before going home!
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure to have at least one big ride (double century or 400k) to ride 
>>>> this year, but I have to juggle that with my crazy schedule.  Luckily my 
>>>> daily commute is providing a good base of training for these rides.
>>>>
>>>> Toshi in Oakland
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Gravel Tires for Cheviot

[Bill Lindsay]

The Standard Casing Rene Herse Pumpkin Ridge would be my pick for a Cheviut.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:57:42 AM UTC-7 R. Scott Lake wrote:

> Wanting to change the shoes on my Cheviot and use as a gravel bike on flat 
> trails in Lowcountry of SC.
> Currently have 38 Schwable LBB.
> I think the Cheviot can handle 45's (without fenders).
> Any suggestions? 
> Panracers, Rene Herse?
> Other?
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Very belated SFR 300k ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

Good work Toshi!  

I also skipped the 400, which would have been my first, and instead went 
for a fast 200 yesterday on the Two-Rock Valley Ford route.  It was my 
first long ride on my new pink Roadeo, which was very fun

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 10:30:08 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> About a month ago, I rode the SFR 300k event.  Prior to the 300k, I rode 
> the SFR 200k event and completed it successfully.  I hoped to add to my 
> training, but I was only able to take one ride in the weekend ~28 hilly 
> miles to supplement my 4-5 days of commuting during the week.
>
> Despite the lack of long miles, I was confident that if I stuck to my plan 
> of taking it easy on the hills and limiting my stopping time, then I could 
> have a good outcome.  
>
> The 300k route is very similar to the Russian River 200k route, except the 
> extra 100k comes from riding from the out and back from San Francisco 
> towards Fairfax-Olema.  There were a few extra km in the mostly flats 
> around Santa Rosa too.
>
> I had around a 10 hour 200k, so I was targeting a 10 + 6 hour =16 hour 
> 300k.
>
> I made my chicken sausage/egg/rice "sushi" rolls and then didn't stop at 
> all for food.  I took a couple quick bathroom breaks and a water break, but 
> the only substantial time off the bike was my two flats.
>
> Unfortunately my rear tire picked up some steel belted tire wires that 
> went through my Grand Bois Hetre tire and gave it a slow flat.  These 
> annoying metal wires can only be removed by pliers, so it is a good idea to 
> carry one in your toolkit.  I have a mini leatherman tool that I have in my 
> bike bag.
>
> --One thing I did notice was that my tire had some sidewall damage despite 
> being stored inside and the tire being relatively new.  I booted the tire 
> with a sticky park tire boot and continued on to the end without mishap.  
> I'm not sure when the tire damage happened and need to make sure to check 
> my tires before a long ride more carefully.
>
> Despite the 2 flats, I finished in about 16 hours, so overall it was a 
> good ride in that I reached my desired goal.
>
> I couldn't do the SFR 400k, which was yesterday, ending today, due to an 
> orchestra concert today.  It was a bit wet out there, so I hope everyone 
> who did it managed ok. Actually, a couple years ago I rode the 400k and 
> played in a concert the following day.  I wasn't so confident this time!
>
> Several years ago I rode a wet 400k and finished around 23 hours (brutal!) 
> and did the very stupid thing of trying to drive home without taking a 
> nap.  I caught myself falling asleep on the drive home and could have 
> killed myself.  I promise to rest before going home!
>
> I'm sure to have at least one big ride (double century or 400k) to ride 
> this year, but I have to juggle that with my crazy schedule.  Luckily my 
> daily commute is providing a good base of training for these rides.
>
> Toshi in Oakland
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB - 9spd Dura Ace downtube shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

It's not a unicorn.  It's just very very old.  Find them on eBay for $150 
to $200.  They are worth every penny, IMO.  I think the best price I ever 
paid for used ones here on I-Bob was around $50, but that was a situation 
where I pounced the moment they were offered, and they went into my own 
inventory.  Does your friend have a budget?  Also, you can get brand new 
9sp bar cons from Rivendell at $140, and elsewhere for a few dollars less. 
 Some people run bar cons on their down tube shifter bosses, and they work 
fine.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 8:22:46 PM UTC-7 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Asking for a good friend. I can facilitate the sale.
> Is this a unicorn? 
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>

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[RBW] Re: Eroica California

[Bill Lindsay]

Paul asked:  "Question: Is this bike taller then you usual?" in reference 
to my Univega.  

I guess that depends on what you mean by "taller" and what you mean by 
"usual".  I have six vintage level top tube road bikes in my stable, and I 
would not consider the Univega "taller" than the other five.  I'm a Stack 
and Reach guy, and in order to get the Stack and Reach I want/need on a 
vintage road frame with a level top tube, I'm looking at a solid "Large" 
frame size.  Even though I'm 5'10".  Back in my teens and twenties I fit 
these bikes more like racing bikes and I would have been in the "Medium" 
range.  I also have two contemporary level-top-tube bikes and those have a 
similar silhouette to the vintage machines.  Those 8 bikes have a "fist of 
seatpost" as is typical.  

My modern sloping top tube bikes have a similar Stack and Reach but have a 
more modern compact look.  Those range from slightly sloping bikes like a 
Roadeo/Legolas/Quickbeam/Romulus to more sloping approaches.  All my bikes 
in my stable fit me fine.  :)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 6:31:28 PM UTC-7 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Your bike profile pic is as classic-looking as all get out Bill. Very 
> tasty. Question: Is this bike taller then you usual? (I'm trying to recall 
> all those...)
> If my bro-in-law still lived on the West Coast, I'd consider doing that 
> ride, since I have read about it for quite a long time.
> A Flickr album from you if you do i, please kind sir..
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 10:28:57 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I've got the bike for it, and I'm just waiting for the stars to align to 
>> do the ride.  My "Eroica Bike" is a time capsule 1983 Univega Gran Premio. 
>>  I've got ~700 miles on it, and will not have any issue using it for an 
>> Eroica day.  
>>
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/49563967306/in/album-72157713199195553/
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 9:41:21 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Curious if anyone on this forum is also a Vintage enthusiast and has 
>>> interest in the Eroica event that is run on the Central Coast of 
>>> California. I've ridden it a few times on my PX-10... its a great ride, 
>>> although the organization that runs the event has had its ups and downs 
>>> over the years. Currently, the website lists September 22, 2024 as the run 
>>> date, but the registration button leads to last year's sign-updoes 
>>> anyone have any better intel? 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report--'24 Diablo Summit #3 and first big ride on RoadeoRosa

[Bill Lindsay]

Today I did '24 Diablo Summit #4 on my fourth different bike, my Black 
Mountain Model Zero.  This time I took a bunch of alternate routes on a few 
of the trails of Mount Diablo, partially to prepare for the burliest ride 
of the year, the Marin Mountains 200k in June.  There was quite a lot of 
snow remaining near the summit from this week's cold snap.  It was cool but 
not terribly cold.  The trails I decided to explore included a bunch that 
were far too steep to ride, so I used the 24" gear (slang for walking). 
 Only 32 miles, but 5600 feet of climbing.  I had made a S.M.A.R.T. goal to 
summit Diablo 5 times on 5 bikes, and now it looks like I may do it every 
month of the year.  Speaking of every month, I'm working on an R12, and my 
April 200k is on Sunday the 14th, which I'll do on the pink Roadeo.  It's 
looking like the cold wet Calfornia Winter may be completely over.  Snow on 
Mount Diablo today and the weather app says Walnut Creek will be in the 80s 
mid-week.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, March 16, 2024 at 3:19:59 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> This morning I rode out my front door in El Cerrito to the Summit of Mount 
> Diablo.  It was my first big ride on my new pink Roadeo, having tackled the 
> travails of Rene Herse Cantilevers and having just set up a new pair of 
> tubeless Rene Herse Orondo Grade tires.  It was in the high 40s when I 
> left, just before sunrise.  As soon as the sun came out it warmed up quite 
> a bit and was a beautiful breezy Spring Day.  
>
> The bike was perfect, the tires were splendid.  Despite the planing 
> devotees telling me the Roadeo is over-stiff I respectfully disagree.  I 
> posted my second best time on Strava, which I'm pleased with, all things 
> considered.  I got after it pretty good.  I think when I posted my best 
> time I was 10lbs lighter, during my coaching days.  
>
> After the descent I headed to Walnut Creek BART, but of course paid a 
> short social visit at Riv HQ.  Grant was there, and he grabbed my bike and 
> went and rode it around.  The big surprise was Manny was there.  I got to 
> meet his delightful young daughter.  Grant reported that my bike rides 
> great, and approved of my build.  We chatted for a little while, and off I 
> went.  
>
> 70miles, 5300ft.  Multiple compliments received on my pink bike and 
> matching pink socks.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Eroica California

[Bill Lindsay]

Wait, so I have to sell my dedicated "Eroica Bike"?!?!  Dang it!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:19:36 PM UTC-7 Corwin Zechar wrote:

> According to the website, Eroica California is open to all road racing, 
> cyclocross and gravel bicycles with carbon, steel, titanium and aluminum 
> frames.
>
> The only requirement left over from prior years appears to be that the 
> bike must have drop handlebars.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 8:01:33 PM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> I rode it on my Eisentraut with period appropriate Campy Nuovo Record and 
>> 30mm tubular tires. As I recall, they allow newer lugged steel bikes, and I 
>> definitely saw a few Rivs. There were several folks from this list and 
>> I-BOB. There's a bike expo and Concours for people to show off their rides, 
>> which is great if you like looking at old steel bikes. There were awards 
>> for things like best original Cinelli. Central coast Calif has a lot of 
>> beautiful areas for riding. They partnered with local wineries to route 
>> through vineyard roads, so there was a lot of strade bianche. Riv content 
>> -- I met George Mount, who used to race against Grant back in the day, and 
>> I met Andy Hampsten, who has extolled Jack Brown tires. 
>>
>> jim m
>> walnut creek
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 11:05:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> If I decide to gear way lower, I'll swap over a vintage compact double. 
>>>  I have a Sugino AT triple converted to Guard/46/30.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 7:59:12 AM UTC-7 Keith Weaver wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill, 
>>>>
>>>> I also have a brown Gran Premio! I especially like the Suntour 
>>>> symmetric shifters. Univega was the brand sold in my childhood bike store, 
>>>> so when I saw mine in a used bike shop, I had to have it. They'll always 
>>>> have a soft spot in my heart. If I were to ride mine in the CA Eroica, I 
>>>> think I'd need some lower gearing, maybe the Velo Orange 46-30 crankset.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:28 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've got the bike for it, and I'm just waiting for the stars to align 
>>>>> to do the ride.  My "Eroica Bike" is a time capsule 1983 Univega Gran 
>>>>> Premio.  I've got ~700 miles on it, and will not have any issue using it 
>>>>> for an Eroica day.  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/49563967306/in/album-72157713199195553/
>>>>>
>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 9:41:21 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Curious if anyone on this forum is also a Vintage enthusiast and has 
>>>>>> interest in the Eroica event that is run on the Central Coast of 
>>>>>> California. I've ridden it a few times on my PX-10... its a great ride, 
>>>>>> although the organization that runs the event has had its ups and downs 
>>>>>> over the years. Currently, the website lists September 22, 2024 as the 
>>>>>> run 
>>>>>> date, but the registration button leads to last year's sign-updoes 
>>>>>> anyone have any better intel? 
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Building up a 45cm Clem for a 5'2 rider

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't have a Clem and have never done a ground-up Clem build, but I did 
fix a friend's Large Clem Complete when his stock cockpit proved too flexy. 
 We slammed (slammed == run the stem at the lowest possible height) a 
Choco-Moose, and that was a night and day improvement.  I'd absolutely 
start with Choco-moose again if I was doing another Clem build for myself 
or anybody else.  

BL in EC

On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:15:33 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> That is the stem (FW33) I ultimately chose as well.
>
> I agree the Albatross is a pretty decent bar for doing the forward 
> position because it doesn't come back as far as the others but to do it 
> properly you have to concede that that one of the positions won't be as 
> ideal. I use the loscos and they work very well too. If you set it really 
> far forward to account for the sweep back then the forward position is not 
> great to be in for long. If you set it to be comfortable in the forward 
> position the upright is sometimes not great. The losco and albatross 
> counter that pretty well. I never understood the multi position angle that 
> Riv takes but then tell you you need a really long stem to counter the 
> sweep. That puts the forward position way out there. So yeah if you want to 
> use both get one with less sweep and rise/ Thats been what has worked for 
> me.
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 11:19:05 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth, I tried a Nitto FW33 stem (120mm, too long for her 
>> imagine...) and it can be "slammed" in the head tube of this 45cm. I've got 
>> all of the spacers on the headset and have not/will not cut the steerer of 
>> the fork either. I need to measure the stem quill length.. 
>> https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-fw30-power-stem-dull.html
>>
>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 10:46:13 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My experience on my Clem is quite the opposite of Garth’s. I do 
>>> understand that my situation may be unique but it is what it is. 45 degree 
>>> forward simply does not work for me. Bolt upright is the only way I can 
>>> achieve a no numb hands position. Going into the wind I will assume a more 
>>> forward leaning position but I cannot stay there very long. Numbness is 
>>> almost immediately. I ride my Clem for hours with virtually no weight on my 
>>> hands. And yes, my saddle is in the perfect vertical & horizontal position 
>>> relative to the bottom bracket. I have ridden in this position, Bosco’s 
>>> 2”-3” above saddle height, for 2 years & over 7,000 miles. No numb hands.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 5, 2024, at 9:24 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>>
>>> An Albatoross is best for being in a forward, say 45d angle in a swept 
>>> back style bar. If you use reverse Tektro brake levers, tape the bar up to 
>>> and just around the top bend, then put thumbshiters there, that's about a 
>>> "racey upright" as one can get using 45d body position as a base. All the 
>>> other swept back bars, with regular MTB levers and grips at the ends, is 
>>> just all wrong for what I'm referring to as the bars come back too far, 
>>> requiring more weight on the arms and hands. When you lean forward, with 
>>> proper forward seat placement in relation to the BB so you're using your 
>>> legs and core to support yourself(not unlike riding a unicycle), having 
>>> your arms extended forward exerts less pressure on the arms and hands. I 
>>> think shallow, wide flared drop bars could also work if more hand positions 
>>> are desired. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 9:02:00 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Note when choosing stem (as I see a Faceplater was suggested), the 
 smaller sizes have headtubes that don't go very deep. I face this on the 
 50-52 sizes. Those SUPER tall stems that Rivendell sells will not go very 
 far in and thus you are forced to have a ton of stem exposed. Couple that 
 with a bar like the Bosco and you will be way way way up with no way to 
 get 
 it lower. Pick up a stem that does not have the super long lengths. Go 
 short even if you have any uprise to it or are planning to use handlebars 
 that also have height. 

 The losco bars are my favorite bars and perfect for a racy upright mix. 
 Also they are the best looking bars that Riv sells (IMO)

 On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 8:48:53 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:

> This is a 2023 45cm Clem.
>
>  I'm looking at putting her in a somewhat middle between racy and 
> upright. Bosco could work for that I imagine, with the shifters and 
> levers 
> further up and gives her options. 
> Alternatively was thinking Losco could be good, too.  Might have her 
> try the Vegan saddle as well.
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:06:06 AM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote:
>
>> Hi Igor,
>>
>> For a 5'2" rider (I'm not going to assume it's for a lady or for your 
>> friend!), the 45cm Clem is perfect. Obviously there 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell style

[Bill Lindsay]

The "buy a Milwaukee" is pretty solid advice.  Take a nice affordable 
steel, rim-brake, fat tire road bike, and offer a cheap cantilever post 
option, and in 15 stock colors.  Everybody should have a bike like that in 
their stable, and that's a pretty great value considering all those 
options.  Too bad it doesn't come in Patrick Moore's objectively perfect 
size of 60cm c-t-c seat tube and 56cm c-t-c top tube.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 8:27:49 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> For those of you too refined to read Bike Snob regularly, you might want 
> to make an exception for today's (Thursday's) post for Rivendell build 
> canons and style rules. Video included of new Riv owner anxious about 
> acceptance in the Rivendell World. [35-year-old narrator needs training in 
> public speaking.] [Recall when a schtick about Calvin's ~35-year-old father 
> was his mid-30s decrepitude and the absurdity of a middle-aged man riding a 
> bicycle in the wind, rain, and snow. "Time just gets away from us."]
>
> This was fun:
>
> And finally, your Rivendell bicycle should feature a highly 
> improvisational handlebar treatment:
>
> Basically it’s like the Velominati on acid.
>
> -- 
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
> ---
>
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> services
>
>
> ---
>
> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
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Re: [RBW] Gearing Choices

[Bill Lindsay]

I admire how the entire build hinges on a rear derailleur that looks good, 
first and foremost, and everything else will fall into place after that. 
 ;-)

BL

On Thursday, April 4, 2024 at 12:59:37 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 9:54:49 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Even OLD is TBD?
>
>
> Yes, but I don’t have any specific requirements there. I don’t expect 
> chainring clearance or chain deflection issues to cause me to lean in a 
> particular direction. However, availability of compatible  components will 
> be a factor.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Gearing Choices

[Bill Lindsay]

"All TBD,"

Even OLD is TBD?  135?  130?  126?  120?  something else?  I'm super into 
120 and 126 lately, so I'll be interested to hear it if you are also 
considering a legacy OLD.

BL in EC

On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 2:29:06 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Apr 3, 2024, at 11:54 AM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>
> I'm a big fan of half-step + granny for 7-speed rear cassettes and 
> freewheels. I think I even wrote an article about it for the Rivendell 
> Reader at one point (good luck digging it up!). What killed it for me was 
> once cassettes got to the point where constructing your cassette was no 
> longer supported or too much work, it was no longer practical.
>
>
> I remember that, and probably could dig it up! And, yeah, you really have 
> to build your own. 
>
> Those who live in places where 20+% grades are unusual or cannot be found 
> probably won't bother with my low gears.
>
>
> This is super important and where “YMWCV”! I should have prefaced my 
> entire treatise by making it clear that most of my riding is in SE 
> Wisconsin on mostly paved roads and crushed limestone trails. The limestone 
> trails are abandoned railroad beds, so rarely exceed 2% grade. We have only 
> a few hills that approach 20% and they are quite short. Mostly it’s rollers 
> that are 5%, occasionally 10%. The wind, on the other hand ….  
>
> Riding in the LA area, especially trying to go up avg 10% dirt/rocky 
> trails that go on for miles, my gearing needs are somewhat different. One 
> of the thoughts I’m keeping in mind as I spec a new bike is flexibility … 
> if I travel with this bike, will I be able to easily modify the 
> gearing/tires/fenders/racks/lighting to match the intended conditions. But 
> then, I also have a few different bikes, so ultimate flexibility might not 
> be paramount :-)
>
> On Apr 3, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> So, you have settled on what your gearing and derailleur choices will be? 
>  If yes, what exactly will they be?  What rear wheel OLD will you be using? 
>  Will it be a cassette rear hub or a freewheel?  How many cogs in back, 
> what cogs?  If it's a contemporary 10 or 11speed cassette width, have you 
> confirmed your Suntour RD will sweep that horizontal distance?  What 
> shifters will you use?  
>
>
> All TBD, but I can confirm that a Vx GT and a Cyclone MkII GT will cover 9 
> -11 cog cassettes. In fact, a Cyclone MkII GT executes flawless index 
> shifting on a 9-speed 12-36 cassette using Shimano 10-speed bar end 
> shifters. I’ve posted elsewhere about this … SunTour derailers should index 
> perfectly on a Shimano-SRAM n speed cassette with Shimano n-1 speed 
> shifters, where 7<=n<=9. By “index perfectly” I mean that the horizontal 
> derailer movement is exactly the right amount given the cable pull. An odd 
> and interesting historical math artifact.
>
> What is also important is related to that. SunTour derailers have a high 
> actuation ratio, meaning lots of horizontal movement relative to cable 
> pull. As a result, “normal” shift levers are able to move a SunTour 
> derailer across 8-12 cogs where other derailers would require a shift lever 
> with more cable pull (a larger diameter drum around which the cable is 
> wound). SRAM and newer Shimano derailers have much lower actuation ratios, 
> driven (I hypothesize) by a desire to increase the amount of cable pull per 
> shift and, consequently, increase the tolerance for imperfections in cable 
> movement. Campagnolo, interestingly, _increased_ the actuation ratio 
> slightly when they went from “old” 9 speed to “new” 9 speed and later. 
> Always marching to their own beat, those Italians.
>
> My choice of shifters will depend on several factors, including the 
> gearing, the derailer, whether I feel indexing is important, and whether I 
> want to deal with the additional complication of handlebar-mounted shifters 
> on a bike that might get rinko’d. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>
>

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