Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Sam McDermott]

There's a lot of...
 Riv raft love 
... on this thread
On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 11:43:55 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> You bet, Patrick. I'm new at this so from when I arrive at the river to 
> launching the boat is about 30 minutes. Same with the deflation and pack 
> up. As I become more practiced this time may shrink, but I'm never really 
> in much of a hurry.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:34:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> More interesting photos; thanks. Particularly interesting is how small 
>> the inflatable packs up for rack carriage. 
>>
>> How long does it take to unfold and inflate, and afterward to deflate and 
>> fold up the boat?
>>
>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:33 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> Here are a few more photos of the Riv-raft from my trip to Salt River 
>>> today. Highlights include wild horses fording the river, eyeball to eyeball 
>>> with blue herons, multitudes of canyon swallows (or swifts?), and great 
>>> swimming.
>>> [image: IMG_3356.jpeg]
>>> [image: IMG_3360.jpeg]
>>>
>>> For the auditorily inclined, attached is a soundscape of the river. 
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:42:58 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Hey Takashi,  Yes, indeed, it's a lovely way to travel. Very serene for 
 the most part. I would have enjoyed this boat when I road along the Nyodo 
 River on Shikoku.

 Cheers, John

 On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:36:00 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's 
> where the seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, 
> indeed!
>
> Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
> particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to 
> launch 
> is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
> weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.
>
> In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain 
> fun!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the 
>> mass of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a 
>> minimalist 
>> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
>> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors 
>> have 
>> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged 
>> steel 
>> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>>
>> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between 
>> bike packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>>
>> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
>> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a 
>> great 
>> number of photos.
>>
>>
>> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with 
>> drawing of Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs 
>> Lewinsky, 
>> with slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats 
>> Southern 
>> syntax.]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>
>>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>>
>>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six 
>>> years ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It 
>>> turned out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable 
>>> kayaks. 
>>>
>>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really 
>>> a great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
 about; thanks for sharing.

 I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and 
 its features.

 On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty 
> unique setup!
>
> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>
> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
> 
> youtu.be 
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

You bet, Patrick. I'm new at this so from when I arrive at the river to 
launching the boat is about 30 minutes. Same with the deflation and pack 
up. As I become more practiced this time may shrink, but I'm never really 
in much of a hurry.

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:34:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> More interesting photos; thanks. Particularly interesting is how small the 
> inflatable packs up for rack carriage. 
>
> How long does it take to unfold and inflate, and afterward to deflate and 
> fold up the boat?
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:33 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Here are a few more photos of the Riv-raft from my trip to Salt River 
>> today. Highlights include wild horses fording the river, eyeball to eyeball 
>> with blue herons, multitudes of canyon swallows (or swifts?), and great 
>> swimming.
>> [image: IMG_3356.jpeg]
>> [image: IMG_3360.jpeg]
>>
>> For the auditorily inclined, attached is a soundscape of the river. 
>>
>> Cheers, John
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:42:58 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Takashi,  Yes, indeed, it's a lovely way to travel. Very serene for 
>>> the most part. I would have enjoyed this boat when I road along the Nyodo 
>>> River on Shikoku.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:36:00 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's where 
 the seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, indeed!

 Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
 particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to launch 
 is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
 weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.

 In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain fun!

 Cheers, John

 On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the 
> mass of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a 
> minimalist 
> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors 
> have 
> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged 
> steel 
> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>
> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between 
> bike packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>
> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a 
> great 
> number of photos.
>
>
> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with drawing 
> of Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs Lewinsky, with 
> slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats Southern 
> syntax.]
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>
>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six 
>> years ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It 
>> turned out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable 
>> kayaks. 
>>
>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really 
>> a great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
>>> about; thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its 
>>> features.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
 This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty 
 unique setup!

 [image: maxresdefault.jpg]

 A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
 
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hey Takashi,  Yes, indeed, it's a lovely way to travel. Very serene for the 
most part. I would have enjoyed this boat when I road along the Nyodo River 
on Shikoku.

Cheers, John

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:36:00 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's where 
> the seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, indeed!
>
> Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
> particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to launch 
> is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
> weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.
>
> In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain fun!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the mass 
>> of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a minimalist 
>> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
>> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors have 
>> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged steel 
>> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>>
>> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between bike 
>> packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>>
>> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
>> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a great 
>> number of photos.
>>
>>
>> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with drawing of 
>> Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs Lewinsky, with 
>> slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats Southern 
>> syntax.]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>
>>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>>
>>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six years 
>>> ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It turned 
>>> out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable kayaks. 
>>>
>>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really a 
>>> great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
 about; thanks for sharing.

 I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its 
 features.

 On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty unique 
> setup!
>
> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>
> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
> 
> youtu.be 
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hey Robert, I remember seeing this once upon a time. Perhaps it's where the 
seed of my idea to get my bike in a boat came from. Very cool, indeed!

Hey Patrick, It's hard to say. The Alpackaraft may be a little more 
particular about where the bike is placed, but time from arrival to launch 
is probably similar. I do imagine that Wes is correct- the Alpackaraft 
weighs only 5lbs, and that's pretty tough to beat.

In the end, I agree with Patrick: any bike/boat combo is just plain fun!

Cheers, John

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 3:15:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the mass 
> of his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a minimalist 
> trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem 
> than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors have 
> (fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged steel 
> bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.
>
> John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between bike 
> packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?
>
> I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident 
> looks like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a great 
> number of photos.
>
>
> [*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with drawing of 
> Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs Lewinsky, with 
> slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats Southern 
> syntax.]
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>>
>> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six years 
>> ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It turned 
>> out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable kayaks. 
>>
>> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really a 
>> great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard 
>>> about; thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its 
>>> features.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
 This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty unique 
 setup!

 [image: maxresdefault.jpg]

 A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
 
 youtu.be 
 


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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Patrick Moore]

Tom Lutz seems to have accommodated himself and his Brompton to the mass of
his Fliptail. I'd guess that with the wheels (or is it a minimalist
trailer?) and flat terrain that even a weighty boat is less of a problem
than, say, the inflatable 2-person kayaks that my next door neighbors have
(fun fact: he was a brazer for Serrotta back when Serrotta did lugged steel
bikes) which take a while to deflate, dry, and roll up.

John: what do you think: is your boat easier to manipulate between bike
packing and floating and back again than this Fliptail with tailer?

I've no dog in this fight*; I think any bike-cum-boat travel incident looks
like great fun and ought to be illustrated on this list with a great number
of photos.


[*Ill disciplined imagination: recall the Economist cover with drawing of
Ozarks or Appalachian front porch during Clinton I vs Lewinsky, with
slogan: "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." Nothing beats Southern
syntax.]



On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 3:07 PM Wesley  wrote:

> That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/
>
> I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six years
> ago to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It turned
> out very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable kayaks.
>
> The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really a
> great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
> -Wes
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard about;
>> thanks for sharing.
>>
>> I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its
>> features.
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty unique
>>> setup!
>>>
>>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>>
>>> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz
>>> 
>>> youtu.be 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Wesley]

That’s a fliptail: https://duckworks.com/fliptail-7-plans-pdf/

I built its ancestor the origami from the same designer about six years ago 
to be a compact tender for the boat we were living aboard. It turned out 
very heavy so we never used it, preferring our inflatable kayaks. 

The fliptail is probably a bit lighter but I don’t think it’s really a 
great combo with a bike. Would love to be wrong, though!
-Wes

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Now that has to be one of the most interesting commutes I've heard about; 
> thanks for sharing.
>
> I'd love to know more about his boat and what it's made from and its 
> features.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>
>> This guy did a bike/boat commute from Jersey into NYC. Pretty unique 
>> setup!
>>
>> [image: maxresdefault.jpg]
>>
>> A bike commute you wont believe - Tom Lutz 
>> 
>> youtu.be 
>> 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Takashi]

Wow, John, that looks like a lot of fun. Looking at beautiful scenery from 
the river must be a very different experience from cycling.
I too am looking forward to seeing more of your photos!

Takashi

2024年5月11日土曜日 3:44:37 UTC+9 John Rinker:

> Hey Wes, I'll look forward to seeing photos of that! I'm confused about 
> your swap- you want country gravel or I80? 
>
> Hey Michael, Urban NYC must require a whole different set of skills than 
> cruising around the desert on trails or rivers. Here's a link to a GaiaGPS 
> track with a few more  photos of the paddle. Another cool feature of this 
> paddle is a herd of wild horses (mustangs) that come to the river to drink. 
> I saw a small group of 15 or so and more solitary ones along the way. 
> Apparently, they are descended from the Spanish horses set free in the 
> 1600s. You probably don't see too many of those in Central Park! 
>
> Salt River Deux 
>
> I'll shoot a photo of the bike loaded with the raft when I paddle again on 
> Monday. 
>
> Cheers, John
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:30:14 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> That looks incredible. More pictures and details please! It's the exact 
>> opposite of my normal bike rides (urban NYC).
>>
>> M
>>  
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:52:37 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve got a slow-developing project to create a bike raft out of a $40 
>>> “inflatable camp lounger”. If I can raft 30 feet across an irrigation 
>>> ditch, I can swap gravel country roads for 12 miles of commuting alongside 
>>> interstate 80. I’ll let you know if it works.
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
 basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.

 I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.

 On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls 
> into a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In 
> addition to the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a 
> photo of the bike with the raft on it!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat 
>> fold up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>>
>> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio 
>> Grande and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation 
>> trail 
>> to various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors 
>> have 
>> a couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
>> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
>> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, 
>> then 
>> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Sue, 
>>>
>>> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a 
>>> few years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any 
>>> other raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
>>> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
>>> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track 
>>> much 
>>> better. 
>>>
>>> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
>>> straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and 
>>> stable. 
>>> If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
>>> river, 
>>> I'd think twice. 
>>>
>>> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
>>> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>>>
 John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no 
 bike in the bow. Did you give that a try?
 Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
 sink to the bottom of the waterway?

 Sue

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  
> wrote:
>
>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for 
>> its maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready 
>> to shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
>> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall 
>> bike and 

Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hey Wes, I'll look forward to seeing photos of that! I'm confused about 
your swap- you want country gravel or I80? 

Hey Michael, Urban NYC must require a whole different set of skills than 
cruising around the desert on trails or rivers. Here's a link to a GaiaGPS 
track with a few more  photos of the paddle. Another cool feature of this 
paddle is a herd of wild horses (mustangs) that come to the river to drink. 
I saw a small group of 15 or so and more solitary ones along the way. 
Apparently, they are descended from the Spanish horses set free in the 
1600s. You probably don't see too many of those in Central Park! 

Salt River Deux 

I'll shoot a photo of the bike loaded with the raft when I paddle again on 
Monday. 

Cheers, John
On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:30:14 AM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> That looks incredible. More pictures and details please! It's the exact 
> opposite of my normal bike rides (urban NYC).
>
> M
>  
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:52:37 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:
>
>> I’ve got a slow-developing project to create a bike raft out of a $40 
>> “inflatable camp lounger”. If I can raft 30 feet across an irrigation 
>> ditch, I can swap gravel country roads for 12 miles of commuting alongside 
>> interstate 80. I’ll let you know if it works.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
>>> basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.
>>>
>>> I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls 
 into a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In 
 addition to the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a 
 photo of the bike with the raft on it!

 Cheers, John

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat 
> fold up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>
> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio 
> Grande and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation 
> trail 
> to various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors 
> have 
> a couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hey Sue, 
>>
>> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a 
>> few years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any 
>> other raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
>> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
>> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track 
>> much 
>> better. 
>>
>> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
>> straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and 
>> stable. 
>> If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
>> river, 
>> I'd think twice. 
>>
>> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
>> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>>
>>> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no 
>>> bike in the bow. Did you give that a try?
>>> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
>>> sink to the bottom of the waterway?
>>>
>>> Sue
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>>
 Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.

 Curtis

 On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
> maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall 
> bike and 
> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>
> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
> Cheers, John
>
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Michael Morrissey]

That looks incredible. More pictures and details please! It's the exact 
opposite of my normal bike rides (urban NYC).

M
 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 9:52:37 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> I’ve got a slow-developing project to create a bike raft out of a $40 
> “inflatable camp lounger”. If I can raft 30 feet across an irrigation 
> ditch, I can swap gravel country roads for 12 miles of commuting alongside 
> interstate 80. I’ll let you know if it works.
> -Wes
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
>> basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.
>>
>> I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.
>>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into 
>>> a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to 
>>> the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the 
>>> bike with the raft on it!
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat 
 fold up small enought to be carried on a rack?

 I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio 
 Grande and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation 
 trail 
 to various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have 
 a couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
 points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
 one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
 rode his bike back north to get his car.

 On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Hey Sue, 
>
> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few 
> years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other 
> raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track 
> much 
> better. 
>
> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
> straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. 
> If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
> river, 
> I'd think twice. 
>
> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>
>> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike 
>> in the bow. Did you give that a try?
>> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
>> sink to the bottom of the waterway?
>>
>> Sue
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
 maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
 [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
 I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
 shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
 expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
 and 
 body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
 [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
 If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!

 [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
 Cheers, John

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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Wesley]

I’ve got a slow-developing project to create a bike raft out of a $40 
“inflatable camp lounger”. If I can raft 30 feet across an irrigation 
ditch, I can swap gravel country roads for 12 miles of commuting alongside 
interstate 80. I’ll let you know if it works.
-Wes

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
> basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.
>
> I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into 
>> a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to 
>> the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the 
>> bike with the raft on it!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat fold 
>>> up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>>>
>>> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio Grande 
>>> and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation trail to 
>>> various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have a 
>>> couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
>>> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
>>> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
>>> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Sue, 

 I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few 
 years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other 
 raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
 With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
 other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track much 
 better. 

 Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
 straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. 
 If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
 river, 
 I'd think twice. 

 Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
 [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
 Cheers, John

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:

> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike 
> in the bow. Did you give that a try?
> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
> sink to the bottom of the waterway?
>
> Sue
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>
>> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
>>> maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
>>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
>>> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
>>> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
>>> and 
>>> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
>>> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
>>> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Yes, but Clems don't float! ;)

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail 
> basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.
>
> I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into 
>> a tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to 
>> the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the 
>> bike with the raft on it!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat fold 
>>> up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>>>
>>> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio Grande 
>>> and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation trail to 
>>> various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have a 
>>> couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
>>> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
>>> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
>>> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>>
 Hey Sue, 

 I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few 
 years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other 
 raft without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
 With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
 other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track much 
 better. 

 Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type 
 straps, and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. 
 If there was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the 
 river, 
 I'd think twice. 

 Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
 [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
 Cheers, John

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:

> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike 
> in the bow. Did you give that a try?
> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it 
> sink to the bottom of the waterway?
>
> Sue
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>
>> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
>>> maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
>>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
>>> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
>>> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
>>> and 
>>> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
>>> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
>>> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Patrick Moore]

Got it; again, sounds very interesting. I see that Alpacka boats retail
basically for the price of an entry-level Clem.

I should probably buy an entry level Clem first, though.

On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into a
> tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to
> the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the
> bike with the raft on it!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat fold
>> up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>>
>> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio Grande
>> and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation trail to
>> various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have a
>> couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry
>> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first
>> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then
>> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Sue,
>>>
>>> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few
>>> years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other
>>> raft without a keel- kind of squirreley.
>>> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes
>>> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track much
>>> better.
>>>
>>> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type straps,
>>> and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. If there
>>> was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the river, I'd
>>> think twice.
>>>
>>> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
>>> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>>>
 John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike
 in the bow. Did you give that a try?
 Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it
 sink to the bottom of the waterway?

 Sue

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its
>> maiden voyage down the Salt River.
>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to
>> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my
>> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
>> and
>> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
>> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
>> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>>
>> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>>
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[John Rinker]

Hello Patrick. No trailer needed as, you guessed it, the raft rolls into a 
tidy little 5lb burrito and fits very nicely on the rack. In addition to 
the photos of the raft with the bike, I should have taken a photo of the 
bike with the raft on it!

Cheers, John

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That looks very tempting. I can't make out a trailer; does the boat fold 
> up small enought to be carried on a rack?
>
> I'm 1/4 mile crow-directly west through bosque scrub from the Rio Grande 
> and it's an easy and pleasant ride north on a paved recreation trail to 
> various possible insertion points. In fact, my next door neighbors have a 
> couple of inflatable canoes which they generally drive north to entry 
> points, float back south, then drive the other car to pick up the first 
> one; tho' husband Chris some years ago did drive north, float south, then 
> rode his bike back north to get his car.
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:07 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>
>> Hey Sue, 
>>
>> I haven't tried my boat without a bike yet, but I did paddle one a few 
>> years back *sans bicyclette *and I remember it being like any other raft 
>> without a keel- kind of squirreley. 
>> With the bike, however, it handles very nicely indeed. Alpacka makes 
>> other such rafts for use without a bicycle, and I imagine these track much 
>> better. 
>>
>> Yes, the bicycle is attached at 4 lashing points with Voile-type straps, 
>> and the wheels with bungee cords. It's all very solid and stable. If there 
>> was a chance that my bike would end up at the bottom of the river, I'd 
>> think twice. 
>>
>> Maybe this photo shows it a bit better:
>> [image: IMG_3267 (1).jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 8:13:40 AM UTC-7 Sue J wrote:
>>
>>> John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike in 
>>> the bow. Did you give that a try?
>>> Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it sink 
>>> to the bottom of the waterway?
>>>
>>> Sue
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:
>>>
 Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.

 Curtis

 On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its 
> maiden voyage down the Salt River. 
> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to 
> shove off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my 
> expectations for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike 
> and 
> body fit just fine. It's a super fun boat!
> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
>
> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
> Cheers, John
>
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Re: [RBW] Riv-rafting

[Sue J]

John, I am curious to know how this craft behaves if there is no bike in 
the bow. Did you give that a try?
Also, do you secure the bike in the bow, or if you capsize would it sink to 
the bottom of the waterway?

Sue

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:19:46 AM UTC-7 Curtis wrote:

> Looks like a great adventure.  Enjoy.
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> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 7:18 PM John Rinker  wrote:
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>> After several months in a box, I finally took my pack raft for its maiden 
>> voyage down the Salt River. 
>> [image: IMG_3282.jpeg]
>> I rode 20k out to the put-in, and in about 30 minutes was ready to shove 
>> off. The Alpacka raft is a fine design that has exceeded my expectations 
>> for comfort, stability, and maneuverability. My tall bike and body fit just 
>> fine. It's a super fun boat!
>> [image: IMG_3271.jpeg]
>> If you love riding and rivers, this is the way to go!
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>> [image: IMG_3308.jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
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