Re: Suggestion for discussion: Support for the Trillian native protocol

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Alex!

On Tue, 6 Sep 2016 23:03:00 -0400
pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

> On 06-09-2016 04:04, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> > I disagree. "Sod off" means that the pidgin devs are not interested in this
> > functionality and that it won't be supported or accepted. "Patches welcome"
> > implies that this functionality is desirable, but not a high priority to the
> > core developers, but who may still support making it a part of pidgin.  
> 
> Shlomi, when I started sending out the "suggestion for discussion" emails I
> stated that the intent was to solicit opinions and discussion on the merits
> of the ideas.
> 
> I am not familiar with the vernacular, so I'll trust your interpretation.

Thanks!

> 
> > The Pidgin project does not have infinite resources and cannot implement all
> > the features that people want. One option for you would be to set up a
> > bounty or a kickstarter/indiegogo/etc. campaign or whatever for that.  
> 
> Or maybe even trying to write a plugin.
>

True, that's what "Patches welcome" may imply.
 
> Unfortunately Pidgin development seems to be very Windows unfriendly.  But
> that's a topic for another discussion.
> 

Well, recently I've come to feel that the problem is that Windows is development
unfriendly when it comes to using FOSS libraries and APIs. :-) That put aside,
if you feel this is a problem, you can try setting up a VM running GNU/Linux
using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualBox or a different hypervisor. We
used this approach in a previous workplace and it worked well.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: Suggestion for discussion: Support for the Trillian native protocol

[pidgin]

On 06-09-2016 04:04, Shlomi Fish wrote:

I disagree. "Sod off" means that the pidgin devs are not interested in this
functionality and that it won't be supported or accepted. "Patches welcome"
implies that this functionality is desirable, but not a high priority to the
core developers, but who may still support making it a part of pidgin.


Shlomi, when I started sending out the "suggestion for discussion" emails I 
stated that the intent was to solicit opinions and discussion on the merits of the ideas.

I am not familiar with the vernacular, so I'll trust your interpretation.


The Pidgin project does not have infinite resources and cannot implement all
the features that people want. One option for you would be to set up a bounty
or a kickstarter/indiegogo/etc. campaign or whatever for that.


Or maybe even trying to write a plugin.

Unfortunately Pidgin development seems to be very Windows unfriendly.  But 
that's a topic for another discussion.

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Re: Suggestion for discussion: Support for the Trillian native protocol

[Eion Robb]

No, a polite way of saying "if you want something, you're best to try do it
yourself"

On 6/09/2016 14:04,  wrote:

> On 05-09-2016 19:55, Eion Robb wrote:
>
>> Patches welcome ;)
>>
>
> A very polite way of telling me to sod off.
>
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Re: Suggestion for discussion: Support for the Trillian native protocol

[Pedro Francisco]

Furthermore, Eion Robb maintains and/or contributes to:

   - funyahoo-plusplus
   - telegram-purple
   - skype4pidgin
   - pidgin-opensteamworks
   - purple-gammu
   - pidgin-pushbullet
   - purple-matrix
   - okcupid-pidgin
   - and more

which is probably more than enough of what we can expect of one single
person.


2016-09-06 9:04 GMT+01:00 Shlomi Fish :

> Hi Alex,
>
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 22:04:51 -0400
> pid...@alexoren.com wrote:
>
> > On 05-09-2016 19:55, Eion Robb wrote:
> > > Patches welcome ;)
> >
> > A very polite way of telling me to sod off.
>
> I disagree. "Sod off" means that the pidgin devs are not interested in this
> functionality and that it won't be supported or accepted. "Patches welcome"
> implies that this functionality is desirable, but not a high priority to
> the
> core developers, but who may still support making it a part of pidgin.
>
> The Pidgin project does not have infinite resources and cannot implement
> all
> the features that people want. One option for you would be to set up a
> bounty
> or a kickstarter/indiegogo/etc. campaign or whatever for that.
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi Fish
>
>
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Re: Suggestion for discussion: Support for the Trillian native protocol

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Alex,

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 22:04:51 -0400
pid...@alexoren.com wrote:

> On 05-09-2016 19:55, Eion Robb wrote:
> > Patches welcome ;)  
> 
> A very polite way of telling me to sod off.

I disagree. "Sod off" means that the pidgin devs are not interested in this
functionality and that it won't be supported or accepted. "Patches welcome"
implies that this functionality is desirable, but not a high priority to the
core developers, but who may still support making it a part of pidgin.

The Pidgin project does not have infinite resources and cannot implement all
the features that people want. One option for you would be to set up a bounty
or a kickstarter/indiegogo/etc. campaign or whatever for that.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish


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Re: Suggestion for discussion: Support for the Trillian native protocol

[pidgin]

On 05-09-2016 19:55, Eion Robb wrote:

Patches welcome ;)


A very polite way of telling me to sod off.

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Re: Suggestion for discussion: Support for the Trillian native protocol

[Eion Robb]

Patches welcome ;)

On 5 September 2016 at 14:53,  wrote:

> Pidgin is a great multi-protocol client, but unfortunately it doesn't run
> on Android and iOS, therefore people that want to have a mobile alternative
> are limited to either Trillian or IM+.
>
> IM+ is not in active development anymore and is allegedly less stable, so
> Trillian appears to be the client of choice (and is the one I use).
>
> Despite Trillian's multi-protocol nature, it does have a native protocol
> and many just use it without being aware of its multi-protocol nature and
> being bothered to set up other accounts.  Besides, Trillian's Jabber
> support has a nasty habit of leaking information about your phone's ID if
> you don't explicitly specify the resource.
>
> Therefore, my suggestion is to implement the Trillian native protocol in
> Pidgin (possibly as a plugin).
>
> Trillian's native protocol is described here:
> https://www.trillian.im/impp/
>
>
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Re: Suggestion for discussion: Support for the Trillian native protocol

[pidgin]

Pidgin is a great multi-protocol client, but unfortunately it doesn't run on 
Android and iOS, therefore people that want to have a mobile alternative are 
limited to either Trillian or IM+.

IM+ is not in active development anymore and is allegedly less stable, so 
Trillian appears to be the client of choice (and is the one I use).

Despite Trillian's multi-protocol nature, it does have a native protocol and 
many just use it without being aware of its multi-protocol nature and being 
bothered to set up other accounts.  Besides, Trillian's Jabber support has a 
nasty habit of leaking information about your phone's ID if you don't 
explicitly specify the resource.

Therefore, my suggestion is to implement the Trillian native protocol in Pidgin 
(possibly as a plugin).

Trillian's native protocol is described here: https://www.trillian.im/impp/


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