Re: [TCP] Comma before clauses beginning with 'if
Hi all, Have been fairly inactive for awhile, but now getting back in the swing of things. So I decided to take a shot at this one, before I read anyone else's responses... To me, your example looks awkward, even incorrect. And, according to that old stand-by, the Chicago Manual of Style, if the dependent clause (in this case, beginning with the word if) is restrictive-that is, it cannot be deleted without altering the meaning of the sentence-then a comma is not required. If the dependent clause is nonrestrictive, meaning it *can* be deleted without significantly altering the meaning of the statement, then it is required. In this case, that would mean that the comma is not required or expected. In any case, I would counsel against constructing a statement, such as the one you provided as an example, with the dependent clause at the end. I very strongly feel that conditional statements should always, always, ALWAYS place the condition *before* the action. Otherwise, the careless user (and there are a LOT of them out there) will typically perform the action and *then* read the condition and then go Oops! (or worse). So, I would never write a statement for users like the one you provide as an example. FWIW... Now I'll go read what others have opined. Hope this helps, Chuck Beck www.swan-cross.com -Original Message- From: tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com [mailto:tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com] On Behalf Of raj nair Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:57 To: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: [TCP] Comma before clauses beginning with 'if It is well-known that a comma is used if an if clause is at the beginning of a sentence. Is there a rule, an exception, where the reverse is true? For example, can this punctuation be right? Select the statement cache size, if you get a warning mesaage. Please share your thoughts. _ The world in moving pictures http://news.in.msn.com/gallery/archive.aspx __ ComponentOne Doc-To-Help 2009 is your all-in-one authoring and publishing solution. Author in Doc-To-Help's XML-based editor, Microsoft Word or HTML and publish to the Web, Help systems or printed manuals. Download Free Trial. www.doctohelp.comhttp://www.techcommpros.com/componentone/ Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email t...@techcommpros.com. Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-subscr...@techcommpros.com Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-unsubscr...@techcommpros.com Need help? Contact listad...@techcommpros.com Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ ComponentOne Doc-To-Help 2009 is your all-in-one authoring and publishing solution. Author in Doc-To-Help's XML-based editor, Microsoft Word or HTML and publish to the Web, Help systems or printed manuals. Download Free Trial. www.doctohelp.comhttp://www.techcommpros.com/componentone/ Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email t...@techcommpros.com. Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-subscr...@techcommpros.com Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-unsubscr...@techcommpros.com Need help? Contact listad...@techcommpros.com Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Web Site Design
W3Schools.com GREAT for learning the basics. -Original Message- From: tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com [mailto:tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com] On Behalf Of Danny G. Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 23:04 To: Lisa Gielczyk Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: [TCP] Web Site Design Hi Gang, Been a while. I'm unemployed. Several people have asked me if I could make, or update a web site for them. I've never worked on a web site in my life. Would you all have any suggestions on how to learn the nuts and bolts of web site design? I will enroll in a course at the local college for it but that class doesn't start until August. What could I do until then? Thank you. Dan--Ft. Lauderdale __ ComponentOne Doc-To-Help 2009 is your all-in-one authoring and publishing solution. Author in Doc-To-Help's XML-based editor, Microsoft Word or HTML and publish to the Web, Help systems or printed manuals. Download Free Trial. www.doctohelp.comhttp://www.techcommpros.com/componentone/ Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email t...@techcommpros.com. Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-subscr...@techcommpros.com Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-unsubscr...@techcommpros.com Need help? Contact listad...@techcommpros.com Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ ComponentOne Doc-To-Help 2009 is your all-in-one authoring and publishing solution. Author in Doc-To-Help's XML-based editor, Microsoft Word or HTML and publish to the Web, Help systems or printed manuals. Download Free Trial. www.doctohelp.comhttp://www.techcommpros.com/componentone/ Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email t...@techcommpros.com. Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-subscr...@techcommpros.com Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-unsubscr...@techcommpros.com Need help? Contact listad...@techcommpros.com Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Web Site Design
W3Schools.com teaches HTML, DHTML, XHTML, CSS, and a WHOLE lot more in a very well designed tutorial format. A bit skimpy on the exercises, but you can make your own. Plus, they have a whole series of Try it! pages. I simply can't recommend it highly enough. Chuck Beck -Original Message- From: tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com [mailto:tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com] On Behalf Of Ed Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 15:25 To: 'Pinkham, Jim'; 'Danny G.'; 'Lisa Gielczyk' Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Web Site Design I'd say, if you want to (eventually) continue a career in tech writing, learn HTML and CSS first. Almost all of our output these days is HTML-based, and if you want to customize your help presentation at all, it's all about CSS (or at least it is in Flare...). As Jim noted, there's a ton of free tools out there to play around. I'm sure you could get a complete education watching videos on YouTube. But you may want to take it offline and plan out exactly what you and your client want to do with their web sites before diving into the code. Pen and paper are still great tools, even in 2009. -=Ed. -Original Message- From: tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com [mailto:tcp- boun...@techcommpros.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:17 PM To: Danny G.; Lisa Gielczyk Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Web Site Design A wide open question, Danny. Some ISPs have the capacity to build your own small site, which would be great practice. They may offer some cookie-cutter, pre-packaged templates to fill, but, hopefully, you would also have the chance to build and modify your own pages. If there's no luck there, you might consider a volunteer effort. There are some free tools out there -- Evrsoft First Page 2006, Kompozer, etc. -- that let you gain experience without expenditure :) Other programs, including Word and Publisher, have some capacity for building web pages. They could be a resource if you have them. Those in the know tend to opine that the code that comes out is cluttered, and that is probably true. But here, too, you can some design practice. Other tools, such as FrontPage and Dreamweaver, offer further functionality. At some point, you have to decide if you really want to learn to work with the guts of the code -- HTML, DHTML, CSS, etc. -- or if you'll be happy letting programs such as those mentioned do the heavy lifting, at some sacrifice to your flexibility and creativity. As time permits this summer, I'm trying to give myself an education in cascading style sheets, an approach that makes possible some pretty amazing work -- Google the Zen Garden if you want to get some ideas. That's my two cents, and I hope others will jump in. __ ComponentOne Doc-To-Help 2009 is your all-in-one authoring and publishing solution. Author in Doc-To-Help's XML-based editor, Microsoft Word or HTML and publish to the Web, Help systems or printed manuals. Download Free Trial. www.doctohelp.comhttp://www.techcommpros.com/componentone/ Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email t...@techcommpros.com. Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-subscr...@techcommpros.com Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-unsubscr...@techcommpros.com Need help? Contact listad...@techcommpros.com Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ ComponentOne Doc-To-Help 2009 is your all-in-one authoring and publishing solution. Author in Doc-To-Help's XML-based editor, Microsoft Word or HTML and publish to the Web, Help systems or printed manuals. Download Free Trial. www.doctohelp.comhttp://www.techcommpros.com/componentone/ Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email t...@techcommpros.com. Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-subscr...@techcommpros.com Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-unsubscr...@techcommpros.com Need help? Contact listad...@techcommpros.com Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Web Site Design
Good deal! I'm very happy for you. Chuck Beck -Original Message- From: tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com [mailto:tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com] On Behalf Of Danny G. Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 21:41 To: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Web Site Design Thanks folks. Here's an example of what a difference a day can make. I called the local Technical school and they have a web design course that I can attend free due to my unemployed status. So I'm going for it. Description follows. And they said as a student I can buy all this software in a bundle for $400! I don't have experience in any of these applications. So not only can I learn them but buy them really cheaply. One door closed (my job) and another door opened (free online course because I'm unemployed!). Description: Part of IT Program - Includes document processing, information processing, XHTML, Flash MX, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Javascript, photoshop and web Design. An Opportunity to Upgrade Your Skills 24/7 through a Teacher Facilitated Online Course. 135 hours --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Chuck Beck cb...@swan-cross.com wrote: From: Chuck Beck cb...@swan-cross.com Subject: RE: [TCP] Web Site Design To: 'Ed' hamonwr...@hotmail.com, 'Pinkham, Jim' jim.pink...@voith.com, 'Danny G.' digitaldanny...@yahoo.com, 'Lisa Gielczyk' l...@techcommpros.com Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 7:26 PM W3Schools.com teaches HTML, DHTML, XHTML, CSS, and a WHOLE lot more in a very well designed tutorial format. A bit skimpy on the exercises, but you can make your own. Plus, they have a whole series of Try it! pages. I simply can't recommend it highly enough. Chuck Beck -Original Message- From: tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com [mailto:tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com] On Behalf Of Ed Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 15:25 To: 'Pinkham, Jim'; 'Danny G.'; 'Lisa Gielczyk' Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Web Site Design I'd say, if you want to (eventually) continue a career in tech writing, learn HTML and CSS first. Almost all of our output these days is HTML-based, and if you want to customize your help presentation at all, it's all about CSS (or at least it is in Flare...). As Jim noted, there's a ton of free tools out there to play around. I'm sure you could get a complete education watching videos on YouTube. But you may want to take it offline and plan out exactly what you and your client want to do with their web sites before diving into the code. Pen and paper are still great tools, even in 2009. -=Ed. -Original Message- From: tcp-boun...@techcommpros.com [mailto:tcp- boun...@techcommpros.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 2:17 PM To: Danny G.; Lisa Gielczyk Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Web Site Design A wide open question, Danny. Some ISPs have the capacity to build your own small site, which would be great practice. They may offer some cookie-cutter, pre-packaged templates to fill, but, hopefully, you would also have the chance to build and modify your own pages. If there's no luck there, you might consider a volunteer effort. There are some free tools out there -- Evrsoft First Page 2006, Kompozer, etc. -- that let you gain experience without expenditure :) Other programs, including Word and Publisher, have some capacity for building web pages. They could be a resource if you have them. Those in the know tend to opine that the code that comes out is cluttered, and that is probably true. But here, too, you can some design practice. Other tools, such as FrontPage and Dreamweaver, offer further functionality. At some point, you have to decide if you really want to learn to work with the guts of the code -- HTML, DHTML, CSS, etc. -- or if you'll be happy letting programs such as those mentioned do the heavy lifting, at some sacrifice to your flexibility and creativity. As time permits this summer, I'm trying to give myself an education in cascading style sheets, an approach that makes possible some pretty amazing work -- Google the Zen Garden if you want to get some ideas. That's my two cents, and I hope others will jump in. __ ComponentOne Doc-To-Help 2009 is your all-in-one authoring and publishing solution. Author in Doc-To-Help's XML-based editor, Microsoft Word or HTML and publish to the Web, Help systems or printed manuals. Download Free Trial. www.doctohelp.comhttp://www.techcommpros.com/componentone/ Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email t...@techcommpros.com. Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp-subscr...@techcommpros.com Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to tcp
