Re: downsized grub menu. [CLOSED] [SOLVED]
(on Dec. 20, I said) > If, after a few days, the grub menu still looks good, I'll > promote this thread from CLOSED to SOLVED. After a weekly patching, a few cycles of nightly power-down and morning power-up, and a few days of regular operational use, I'm confident this really is fixed. I'm upgrading this to SOLVED. I thank participants for their help, and for the interesting discussion on font sizes. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu. [CLOSED]
Patrick O'Callaghan: > IIRC it used to be 72.72 (my first job was working on an early > typesetting system at Cambridge University Press :-) However > according to Wikipedia a point is now officially 1/72 of an > "international inch": > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_(typography) I stayed with "approx" since it never was specific (different companies had differing point sizes), and I wouldn't be surprised if different companies (e.g. printing houses), still have their own ideas about the thing. ;-) And then you have the issue of different inches, too. And if you printed out the built-in test pages of different printers, I'm sure you'll find that 12 point Times on one printer is not identical to 12 point Times on another. It certainly was when I've done that in the past. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. - Mwuu haha ha h, soon the world will be mine! - Sir, you've got to take your finger off the intercom button. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu. [CLOSED]
On Sat, 2018-12-22 at 15:56 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > Don't believe me? Fire up LibreOffice, try out 12 and 24 point text, > and look at the on-screen ruler, or print it out. > > There's approx 72 of *these* points in an inch. IIRC it used to be 72.72 (my first job was working on an early typesetting system at Cambridge University Press :-) However according to Wikipedia a point is now officially 1/72 of an "international inch": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_(typography) poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu. [CLOSED]
Allegedly, on or about 21 December 2018, Rick Stevens sent: > Note that "sizes" in most word processors or printing-related things > are given in points True. And when done correctly, it's an absolute size. i.e. 12 point text is always the same size, no matter what it's printed on or displayed on. It's predictable. If it's different, you're doing it wrong. > (12 points to the inch, so 24 points is 2 inches or about 5 cm high). Not true. The scale is wrong. 12 point text is a standard mechanical typewriter sized text (usually giving around 10 characters per inch), another standard typewriter size is 12 characters per inch (using 10 point text). It depended on whether your typewriter was Pica (bigger 10 cpi) or Elite (smaller 12 cpi) as to what size a fixed typewriter used. If you had something like the IBM golfball typewriter, or daisywheel printers, you had more sizes to choose from, though the cheaper typewriters were still stuck with 10 or 12 cpi character spacings (so you ended up with spaced or crammed characters). 24 points is only twice as big as common typewriting. Don't believe me? Fire up LibreOffice, try out 12 and 24 point text, and look at the on-screen ruler, or print it out. There's approx 72 of *these* points in an inch. NB: 12 point of this font may be differently sized than 12 point of that font, because there's a height and width difference between them all, and you may be concentrating on height as your prime criteria, but they may have been thinking of width. But they'll be reasonably close. > For display-oriented things such as grub or X or Wayland, sizes > generally are in pixels (which vary depending on the resolution of > the monitor), so 24 is only 24 _pixels_ high. Half true. Some screen systems will take 24 pixel high as being precisely 24 pixels high. Other systems will scale, believing that 24 pixels was traditionally "this big" on their screen, so they'll scale 24 pixels to be similarly sized on another screen. It's a seriously broken system. Scaling pixels is *wrong* thinking, and it's typically scaled by the wrong amount, just to make it worse. It gets messier when someone decides a screen needs even more scaling, because they want to take viewing distance into account (small screen, viewed close, versus big screen on the wall in the distance). They often get it wrong, the distance isn't fixed, and the distance often isn't a parameter that you can set. Things per inch is a badly implemented system on computers. Some things scale, some thing's are badly scaled because people implementing them didn't know what they're doing. On your display screen, it has one resolution, the number of dots per inch that it was built with. It's unchangeable. Your graphic card can usually support a number of resolutions (amounting to how many pixels per microsecond it can output), which will relate to DPI when you take into account the scanning speed of the display. The card can usually adjust its output to adjust for the display (strictly speaking, the system driving it is really the thing doing this). To show 12 point text as 12 point text, a system has to know the size of your screen, and generate the appropriate number of dots in a given space to make it that big. Without all the right data (screen size, dot pitch), it can't do that correctly. Point size should be absolute, computer mis-engineers should not fart around with it. It only has one definition. If the user wants bigger/small text because of their screen size or viewing distance, let the user pick the size they want, don't stupidly mis-scale it. If I want 12 point text to go alongside a 2 inch picture, I need it to do what it's supposed to do. Pixel size should be absolute, computer mis-engineers should not fart around with it. If I specify 12 pixel text, or a 12 pixel box, I've done so on purpose. If my screen is massively big, then I'll pick bigger sizes. If I'm designing something that has to fit proportionally to differing screen sizes (cell phone, computer VDU, projection TV), the using pixel or point sizes are the wrong schemes to use. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Programmers who can't take criticisms shouldn't release software that invites it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu. [CLOSED]
On 12/20/18 5:39 PM, home user via users wrote: > (Rick said) >> The font(s) used by grub2 shouldbe located in /boot/grub2/fonts >> ... >> FONT_FILES in the man page just represents where the source font >> file is located. For example, to convert the FreeSans.ttf font >> (which is located in /usr/share/fonts/gnu-free) into a 24-point >> font grub2 can grok called "newfont.pf2": >> >> grub2-mkfont -o /tmp/newfont.pf2 --size=24 \ >> /usr/share/fonts/gnu-free/FreeSans.ttf >> >> Then move/copy the file created to /boot/grub2/fonts: >> >> cp /tmp/newfont.pf2 /boot/grub2/fonts >> >> And put the name of the file into the GRUB_FONT option: >> GRUB_FONT=newfont.pf2 >> >> That oughta do it. > > Yep. That did it. > > Should anyone else choose to try Rick's suggestions, I suggest a minor > change: Name the grub font file the same as the source font file, but > with the size appended: > > 1. grub2-mkfont -o /tmp/FreeSans24.pf2 --size=24 > /usr/share/fonts/gnu-free/FreeSans.ttf > > 2. cp /tmp/FreeSans24.pf2 /boot/grub2/fonts > > 3. put the name of the file into the GRUB_FONT option: > GRUB_FONT=FreeSans24.pf2 > > 4. do the grub2-mkconfig -o /etc/grub2.cfg > > This way, the name of the font file documents what font and size is > being used. > > Also, I learned the hard way: the size (here, 24) has a different > meaning (units) than the font size in LibreOffice. I actually tried 16 > first. That's nice and big in LibreOffice, but it was tiny in the grub > menu. > > Thank-you, Rick. You're quite welcome. > If, after a few days, the grub menu still looks good, I'll promote this > thread from CLOSED to SOLVED. Yeah, good idea! Note that "sizes" in most word processors or printing-related things are given in points (12 points to the inch, so 24 points is 2 inches or about 5 cm high). For display-oriented things such as grub or X or Wayland, sizes generally are in pixels (which vary depending on the resolution of the monitor), so 24 is only 24 _pixels_ high. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - I don't get mad and I don't get even. I get ahead!- -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu. [CLOSED]
On 12/20/18 5:39 PM, home user via users wrote: Also, I learned the hard way: the size (here, 24) has a different meaning (units) than the font size in LibreOffice. I actually tried 16 first. That's nice and big in LibreOffice, but it was tiny in the grub menu. In LibreOffice, the size is in points. In grub, it's nominally pixels. The request to freetype is for that pixel size, but freetype does not guarantee that the result will be exactly bound by that. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu. [CLOSED]
(Rick said) > The font(s) used by grub2 shouldbe located in /boot/grub2/fonts > ... > FONT_FILES in the man page just represents where the source font > file is located. For example, to convert the FreeSans.ttf font > (which is located in /usr/share/fonts/gnu-free) into a 24-point > font grub2 can grok called "newfont.pf2": > > grub2-mkfont -o /tmp/newfont.pf2 --size=24 \ > /usr/share/fonts/gnu-free/FreeSans.ttf > > Then move/copy the file created to /boot/grub2/fonts: > > cp /tmp/newfont.pf2 /boot/grub2/fonts > > And put the name of the file into the GRUB_FONT option: > GRUB_FONT=newfont.pf2 > > That oughta do it. Yep. That did it. Should anyone else choose to try Rick's suggestions, I suggest a minor change: Name the grub font file the same as the source font file, but with the size appended: 1. grub2-mkfont -o /tmp/FreeSans24.pf2 --size=24 /usr/share/fonts/gnu-free/FreeSans.ttf 2. cp /tmp/FreeSans24.pf2 /boot/grub2/fonts 3. put the name of the file into the GRUB_FONT option: GRUB_FONT=FreeSans24.pf2 4. do the grub2-mkconfig -o /etc/grub2.cfg This way, the name of the font file documents what font and size is being used. Also, I learned the hard way: the size (here, 24) has a different meaning (units) than the font size in LibreOffice. I actually tried 16 first. That's nice and big in LibreOffice, but it was tiny in the grub menu. Thank-you, Rick. If, after a few days, the grub menu still looks good, I'll promote this thread from CLOSED to SOLVED. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu. [CLOSED]
On 12/20/18 10:04 AM, home user via users wrote: > (Rick said) >> Actually, you can change the grub font size. You need to convert a >> font into the format grub understands (.pf2) using grub2-mkfont, ... > > 1. How can I determine what font is currently being used? /etc/grub2.cfg > mentions "unicode.pf2", but the Fonts tool finds no font with a name > containing "unicode". The font(s) used by grub2 shouldbe located in /boot/grub2/fonts [root@prophead ~]# ls -l /boot/grub2/fonts total 1316 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1343654 Oct 18 2016 unicode.pf2 > 2. How do I get a correct "FONT_FILES" parameter value? I don't see > these in the "Fonts" tool. FONT_FILES in the man page just represents where the source font file is located. For example, to convert the FreeSans.ttf font (which is located in /usr/share/fonts/gnu-free) into a 24-point font grub2 can grok called "newfont.pf2": grub2-mkfont -o /tmp/newfont.pf2 --size=24 \ /usr/share/fonts/gnu-free/FreeSans.ttf Then move/copy the file created to /boot/grub2/fonts: cp /tmp/newfont.pf2 /boot/grub2/fonts And put the name of the file into the GRUB_FONT option: GRUB_FONT=newfont.pf2 That oughta do it. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Dyslexics of the world: UNTIE! - -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu. [CLOSED]
(Rick said) > Actually, you can change the grub font size. You need to convert a > font into the format grub understands (.pf2) using grub2-mkfont, ... 1. How can I determine what font is currently being used? /etc/grub2.cfg mentions "unicode.pf2", but the Fonts tool finds no font with a name containing "unicode". 2. How do I get a correct "FONT_FILES" parameter value? I don't see these in the "Fonts" tool. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu. [CLOSED]
On 12/16/18 2:26 PM, home user via users wrote: > The error messages that appeared before the grub menu are gone. I thank > those who coached me through the fix. > > It seems the size of the font in the grub menu is not under my control. > Realistically, there's nothing I/we can do about it. So I'm closing > this thread. Actually, you can change the grub font size. You need to convert a font into the format grub understands (.pf2) using grub2-mkfont, then put a "GRUB_FONT=" entry in your /etc/default/grub file pointing at that new font and rebuild grub via grub-mkconfig. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Politicians are the opposite of pickpockets because you never see - -them take their hand out of your pocket.- - -- Larry Fine - -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:11 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > I also wonder if it's necessary to refresh grub's boot files. Does > anyone else know if grub upgrades update the boot sectors? > BIOS, no update happens, run grub2-install. UEFI, it's updated. Don't run grub2-install. (Silverblue, bootloader isn't updated, either firmware type.) Chris Murphy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu. [CLOSED]
The error messages that appeared before the grub menu are gone. I thank those who coached me through the fix. It seems the size of the font in the grub menu is not under my control. Realistically, there's nothing I/we can do about it. So I'm closing this thread. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
Thank-you, Tim. I'll start a new thread on this shortly. - Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
Allegedly, on or about 12 December 2018, home user via users sent: > Something keeps trying to do automated updates, but I have not been > able to figure out what, or how to shut it off. When you log into a GUI session, the GUI can fire off things as you log in. In MATE, there's a "mate-session-properties" tool to control these things. Gnome has something similar (slight name change to the command). KDE, likewise. Similar for other desktops. In my mate-session-properties I see a "dnfdragora-updater" entry was pre-installed. I un-ticked that to stop it looking for updates. Like you, I do updates when I want them to happen. And I'm subscribed to the "updates" mailing lists, which gives me far more information about updated packages than the GUI tool does. I also get to hear about packages that I haven't installed (that can be a blessing and a curse). The update info is in my mail, where I can read it when I want to, rather than some GUI tool interrupting me with alerts. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.16.11-100.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue May 22 20:02:12 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Using Windows software is like coating all your handtools with sewage. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
(responding to Rick) I sit corrected on the terminology and parameters. I've been doing the right things for a few years, but I got it wrong in my last post. I manually do "dnf upgrade --refresh" (no other options or parameters) for patches almost every week. I manually do "dnf system-upgrade [etc]" (or whatever the upgrade instructions say to do) to upgrade from F(n) to F(n+1) roughly every half year, within a month before F(n+2) is released. I do also try to avoid automated patches and updates (except for rkhunter's database) as much as I can. Something keeps trying to do automated updates, but I have not been able to figure out what, or how to shut it off. Once this grub menu font issue is solved or closed, I'll address this in a separate new thread. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
On 12/12/18 10:48 AM, home user via users wrote:
> (Ed asked)
>> Has this system been installed at around F18
>> and then upgraded as time goes on?
> It occurs to me that I did not fully answer this. Since dnf was
> released into Fedora, I upgraded Fedora roughly every half year using
> "dnf upgrade [etc]". Before that, I upgraded roughly every half year
> using the "yum" equivalent.
One should really update (or "dnf upgrade") more often than every
six months. You run the risk of running security-compromised or
buggy software if you don't. I never do an automated update, I do
an interactive update so I can see just what the system wants to do
first ("sudo dnf upgrade" and do NOT specify the "-y" option).
As to whether you should upgrade from F28 to F29 or whatever when the
new Fedora comes out via "dnf system-upgrade", I generally wait a month
or two before I do it to see if there are any really nasty teething
problems others experience. If I'm confident, I do a full-tilt backup
of my system and do the upgrade. All my machines are F29 now.
I hate dnf using "upgrade" for both updates and upgrading. To me,
they're two different things. "Update" (to me) means updating installed
software to the latest releases. "Upgrade" (to me) means upgrading the
entire OS from, say F28 to F29. Yes, they use "dnf upgrade" for updates
and "dnf system-upgrade" for OS upgrades, but using the term "upgrade"
for both is (IMHO) confusing.
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Re: downsized grub menu.
I did as Samuel suggested. The good news: No error messages (re-)appeared before the grub menu showed up. The bad news: I did not notice any differences in the grub menu itself; the font still borders on being too small for me and needing a magnifying glass. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
(Ed asked) > Has this system been installed at around F18 > and then upgraded as time goes on? It occurs to me that I did not fully answer this. Since dnf was released into Fedora, I upgraded Fedora roughly every half year using "dnf upgrade [etc]". Before that, I upgraded roughly every half year using the "yum" equivalent. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
On 12/11/18 9:59 AM, home user via users wrote: Now to the greater problem... When I upgraded to Fedora-28, the text of the grub menu was significantly down-sized. It also seems to be a (darker?) gray. It is split into two pieces into the corners of the left side of the left monitor. It is difficult for me to read. How do I make the font bigger and whiter, and get it all back together? That is strange. I would suggest that you backup the current grub config file and create it fresh using "sudo grub2-mkconfig -o /etc/grub2.cfg". Then if there's still a problem, we know it's not caused by some old config. I also wonder if it's necessary to refresh grub's boot files. Does anyone else know if grub upgrades update the boot sectors? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
(Samuel said) > I would say to comment out all the lines from 91-98. Done. Re-booted. No more error messages before the grub menu appears. Thank-you! Now to the greater problem... When I upgraded to Fedora-28, the text of the grub menu was significantly down-sized. It also seems to be a (darker?) gray. It is split into two pieces into the corners of the left side of the left monitor. It is difficult for me to read. How do I make the font bigger and whiter, and get it all back together? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
On 12/10/18 3:51 PM, home user via users wrote: Rather than deleting lines, I commented them out. It's safer; I can restore them easily if needed. So now lines 91 to 98 look like this: --- 91 insmod gfxmenu 92 # loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-10.pf2 93 # loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-12.pf2 94 # loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-Bold-14.pf2 95 loadfont ($root)/grub2/fonts/unicode.pf2 96 insmod png 97 # set theme=($root)/grub2/themes/system/theme.txt 98 export theme --- I re-booted. The result: I get one error message... --- error: not a regular file. Press any key to continue... I would say to comment out all the lines from 91-98. New installs don't even have any of that. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
(responding to Ed)
The system was originally installed in early spring of 2013. I would
have used either the then current release, or the immediately preceding
release. I don't recall anything more.
(responding to Samuel)
Rather than deleting lines, I commented them out. It's safer; I can
restore them easily if needed. So now lines 91 to 98 look like this:
---
91 insmod gfxmenu
92 # loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-10.pf2
93 # loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-12.pf2
94 # loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-Bold-14.pf2
95 loadfont ($root)/grub2/fonts/unicode.pf2
96 insmod png
97 # set theme=($root)/grub2/themes/system/theme.txt
98 export theme
---
I re-booted. The result: I get one error message...
---
error: not a regular file.
Press any key to continue...
---
I notice that commenting out (or deleting) line 97 might result in line
98 exporting an un-initialized variable ("theme"). I assume it's being
set and exported because something else outside this script uses it.
("theme" is not mentioned anywhere else within this script.) Might this
be causing the above error? What should I set it to?
What's next?
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Re: downsized grub menu.
On 12/9/18 7:39 PM, home user via users wrote: So it looks to me like I'm missing 3 font files and one text file. How do I easily get them into the right places so they'll be properly maintained by weekly "dnf upgrade" updates? Just delete those lines from the grub config file. As Ed mentioned, they're probably leftovers from long ago. See if that eliminates the boot warnings. The next step would be to recreate the grub config file, but try deleting the lines first. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
On 12/10/18 7:35 AM, home user via users wrote: > Hi Samuel, > > I see in /etc/grub2.cfg, it says at the top > --- > # > # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE > # > # It is automatically generated by grub2-mkconfig using templates > # from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub > # > --- > I also see in lines 91-98 > --- > insmod gfxmenu > loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-10.pf2 > loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-12.pf2 > loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-Bold-14.pf2 > loadfont ($root)/grub2/fonts/unicode.pf2 > insmod png > set theme=($root)/grub2/themes/system/theme.txt > export theme > --- > Does this give us the information we need, or should I proceed with the > "forbidden" edit > and the re-boot? Has this system been installed at around F18 and then upgraded as time goes on? Those files have existed on F18 Live but not F19 live. They were part of grub2-tools. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=975813 -- Right: I dislike the default color scheme Wrong: What idiot picked the default color scheme ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
(Samuel said) > Interesting, I don't have any of those files. Check if you do. ... Results of checking for files referenced in lines 91-98 (done as root): --- -bash.24[system]: pwd /boot/grub2/themes/system -bash.25[system]: ls -la total 7080 drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root1024 Oct 11 12:59 . drwxr-xr-x. 4 root root1024 May 9 2012 .. -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 3621581 May 23 2017 background.png -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 3621581 May 23 2017 fireworks.png -bash.26[system]: cd ../../fonts/ -bash.27[fonts]: pwd /boot/grub2/fonts -bash.28[fonts]: ls -la total 2506 drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root1024 Mar 17 2013 . drwx--. 6 root root1024 Dec 9 20:03 .. -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 2560080 Jul 6 2017 unicode.pf2 -bash.29[fonts]: --- So I have unicode.pf2, but none of the others. Results of checking directories referenced in the edit warning (done as root): --- -bash.59[grub.d]: pwd /etc/grub.d -bash.60[grub.d]: ls -la total 84 drwx--. 2 root root 4096 Oct 11 10:48 . drwxr-xr-x. 183 root root 12288 Dec 9 12:47 .. -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 8958 Jul 3 12:56 00_header -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 232 Jul 3 12:56 01_users -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 12234 Jul 3 12:56 10_linux -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 10997 Jul 3 12:56 20_linux_xen -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 2559 Jul 3 12:56 20_ppc_terminfo -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 10641 Jul 3 12:56 30_os-prober -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 214 Jul 3 12:56 40_custom -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 216 Jul 3 12:56 41_custom -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 483 Jul 3 12:56 README -bash.61[grub.d]: cd ../default/ -bash.62[default]: pwd /etc/default -bash.63[default]: ls -la total 28 drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 4096 Oct 11 12:29 . drwxr-xr-x. 183 root root 12288 Dec 9 12:47 .. -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 462 Feb 22 2018 grub -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1561 Aug 1 06:16 rmt -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 119 Nov 8 08:40 useradd -bash.64[default]: --- Except for README, the files in /etc/grub.d are scripts. The file /etc/default/grub.d is a text data file. If you want to see any of the long files, I can use fpaste to put them in the Fedora paste bin. So it looks to me like I'm missing 3 font files and one text file. How do I easily get them into the right places so they'll be properly maintained by weekly "dnf upgrade" updates? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
On 12/9/18 3:35 PM, home user via users wrote: insmod gfxmenu loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-10.pf2 loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-12.pf2 loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-Bold-14.pf2 loadfont ($root)/grub2/fonts/unicode.pf2 insmod png set theme=($root)/grub2/themes/system/theme.txt Interesting, I don't have any of those files. Check if you do. ($root) is /boot. Does this give us the information we need, or should I proceed with the "forbidden" edit and the re-boot? The "edit" message is a warning that changes could get undone. Check for those files first, that might be why you're getting the messages. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
Hi Samuel, I see in /etc/grub2.cfg, it says at the top --- # # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE # # It is automatically generated by grub2-mkconfig using templates # from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub # --- I also see in lines 91-98 --- insmod gfxmenu loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-10.pf2 loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-12.pf2 loadfont ($root)/grub2/themes/system/DejaVuSans-Bold-14.pf2 loadfont ($root)/grub2/fonts/unicode.pf2 insmod png set theme=($root)/grub2/themes/system/theme.txt export theme --- Does this give us the information we need, or should I proceed with the "forbidden" edit and the re-boot? Thank-you, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
On 12/9/18 2:33 PM, home user via users wrote: 1. What is the name and location of that grub config file? Depending on whether or not you have an EFI system, it's either /etc/grub2.cfg or /etc/grub2-efi.cfg. Both symlinks exist but only one of them should be valid. 2. Is there anything I need to do after editing the file but before re-booting? No. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
Samuel, 1. What is the name and location of that grub config file? 2. Is there anything I need to do after editing the file but before re-booting? Thank-you. Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
Thank-you for the suggestion, Wolfgang. I tried "journalctl -n 10" as root. I did find "boot --", but I saw no hint of the error messages. I searched for "grub". I searched for "error". No hits. This is a dual-boot workstation. The error messages show up *before* the grub menu appears, so no operating system would yet have been chosen. So if grub logs error messages anywhere, wouldn't they be somewhere independent of operating system? But then, operating systems and boot processes are black boxes to me. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
On 12/9/18 3:43 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 08:05:00PM -0700, home user via users wrote: (Samuel said) That should be in /boot. Do you have /boot on a separate partition? How do I determine which partition /boot is in? The directory mentioned in the error messages is under /boot as you said (thank-you!): --- -bash.2[system]: pwd /boot/grub2/themes/system -bash.3[system]: ls -la total 7080 drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 1024 Oct 11 12:59 . drwxr-xr-x. 4 root root 1024 May 9 2012 .. -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 3621581 May 23 2017 background.png -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 3621581 May 23 2017 fireworks.png -bash.4[system]: --- Are there log files somewhere that have the full error messages showing specifically what 4 things are wanted but missing? Hopefully, yes .. You might see logs with sth. like: journalctl -n 10 Grub messages do not end up in the journal. I found a suggestion that might let you see the messages. Add "sleep --interruptible --verbose 60" to the top of the grub config file. You can press the ESC key to continue before the timeout. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 08:05:00PM -0700, home user via users wrote:
(Samuel said)
That should be in /boot. Do you have /boot on a separate partition?
How do I determine which partition /boot is in?
The directory mentioned in the error messages is under /boot as you
said (thank-you!):
---
-bash.2[system]: pwd
/boot/grub2/themes/system
-bash.3[system]: ls -la
total 7080
drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root1024 Oct 11 12:59 .
drwxr-xr-x. 4 root root1024 May 9 2012 ..
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 3621581 May 23 2017 background.png
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 3621581 May 23 2017 fireworks.png
-bash.4[system]:
---
Are there log files somewhere that have the full error messages
showing specifically what 4 things are wanted but missing?
Hopefully, yes ..
You might see logs with sth. like:
journalctl -n 10
If you're getting too much/too little data try decreasing/increasing
the number ("-n").
Then, in the logs shown, search for "boot --" (without the quotes)
until you have an entry for the boot where things went wrong, and see
what's written after it.
For full data you probably need to run the command above with root
privileges ..
Regards,
Wolfgang
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Re: downsized grub menu.
Thank-you, Joe. /boot is in partition /dev/sda3: --- -bash.6[boot]: df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on devtmpfs7.8G 0 7.8G 0% /dev tmpfs 7.9G 59M 7.8G 1% /dev/shm tmpfs 7.9G 1.7M 7.9G 1% /run tmpfs 7.9G 0 7.9G 0% /sys/fs/cgroup /dev/sda650G 36G 12G 77% / tmpfs 7.9G 32K 7.9G 1% /tmp /dev/sda3 477M 228M 220M 51% /boot /dev/sda7 904G 5.6G 853G 1% /home tmpfs 1.6G 40K 1.6G 1% /run/user/1001 -bash.7[boot]: --- Samuel, if I understand this correctly, the answer to your question is yes, /boot is on a separate partition. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
On 12/08/2018 08:05 PM, home user via users wrote: How do I determine which partition /boot is in? Three ways. First, you can look in /etc/fstab and see if it's listed there. Second, you can do the same with /etc/mtab. Third, you can use df -h which will not only tell you if there's a partition mounted at /boot, it will also tell you how much free space there is on it if it exists. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
(Samuel said) > That should be in /boot. Do you have /boot on a separate partition? How do I determine which partition /boot is in? The directory mentioned in the error messages is under /boot as you said (thank-you!): --- -bash.2[system]: pwd /boot/grub2/themes/system -bash.3[system]: ls -la total 7080 drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root1024 Oct 11 12:59 . drwxr-xr-x. 4 root root1024 May 9 2012 .. -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 3621581 May 23 2017 background.png -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 3621581 May 23 2017 fireworks.png -bash.4[system]: --- Are there log files somewhere that have the full error messages showing specifically what 4 things are wanted but missing? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: downsized grub menu.
On 12/8/18 9:58 AM, home user via users wrote: By the way, I cannot find a "/grub2" directory. That should be in /boot. Do you have /boot on a separate partition? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
