Re: [videoblogging] Re: I am quilty of shiny object distraction disorder or SODD

2007-03-07 Thread John Dowdell
Steve Watkins wrote:
 Adobe Apollo stuff would be of particular interest to me if I was
 already versed in Flash and/or Flex development. 

Sidenote: The Adobe Apollo project, due to enter preview release on 
labs.adobe.com real soon now, is a way to bring either SWF or HTML/JS 
work to the desktop... you browse to a site same as before, but it asks 
you if you'd like to use that page for offline use, system tray, 
doubleclickable, the works.

Doesn't require Flash or Flex skills... Ajax or even classic JS/webapp 
stuff works as well.

jd





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[videoblogging] Re: I am quilty of shiny object distraction disorder or SODD

2007-03-07 Thread Steve Watkins
Thanks very much for the info, I get plenty wrong when Im browsing
over this stuff. Well, the fact it works well with js etc makes it
seem even more that many players, large and small, are converging on
the same space. Like I said before, exciting times to be looing at web
develpment stuff, so much choice. Only problem is deciding at which
point I switch my time from studying all the options to actually
trying to pick one and create something with it.

I'll be sure to check it out when the preview comes, am now wondering
what potential offline browser mode has for video in particular.

Cheers

Steve Elbows

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 Steve Watkins wrote:
  Adobe Apollo stuff would be of particular interest to me if I was
  already versed in Flash and/or Flex development. 
 
 Sidenote: The Adobe Apollo project, due to enter preview release on 
 labs.adobe.com real soon now, is a way to bring either SWF or HTML/JS 
 work to the desktop... you browse to a site same as before, but it asks 
 you if you'd like to use that page for offline use, system tray, 
 doubleclickable, the works.
 
 Doesn't require Flash or Flex skills... Ajax or even classic JS/webapp 
 stuff works as well.
 
 jd
 
 
 
 
 
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[videoblogging] Re: I am quilty of shiny object distraction disorder or SODD

2007-03-05 Thread Steve Watkins
Blowing my mind with all these links :D

Buy less crap = great idea, nice flash design.

Zannel has a nice clean design, but Im totally out of date with sites
that consider mobile users - does this Zannel offer something unique?

Twingly looks real nice, I'll give it a try. There's so much
interesting potential in this sort of thing, takes some programming
talent, how I wish some programmers from the gaming industry were
making lovely looking web apps instead. Sometimes I want the
experience of using a computer to be more like how its portrayed in
Hollywood, but until such systems exist I wont know if they are
actually great to use or actually more of a pain than old ways - I
just cant wait to see if the 2d windows, desktop etc way of working
with computers is here to stay in the longterm or whether things re
going to be a lot funkier in future.

As for API's, well to give you specific advice would really need to
know about what you are wanting to achieve. Its a wild time at the
moment. AJAX has raised expectations about browser apps and how they
look, feel  flow. This puts pressure on desktop apps to become
better. Battles on the desktop between Apple  Microsoft, Core
Animation and Windows Presentation Foundation, technologies to make
desktop apps much nicer, but only working on their respective OS's.
Meanwhile in the browser there are umpteen different AJAX toolkits,
some of which are starting to offer offline modes, just like that
Adobe Apollo, so they compete more with desktop apps. And at the same
time that Adobe are bringing web technology to the desktop, Microsoft
are gonna try to compete with flash by offering WPF/E which will work
on Windows  OS X. And WPF/E will also be trying to woo the AJAX crowd
because it works with javascript in a similar way, so people could
write web apps the same as with AJAX, but they use WPF/E to do the
presentation, instead of DHTML. Apple arent competing in this space
unless they ever take the interesting core  quartz composer stuff and
make it cross platform and a seamless fit with javascript. 

And then theres widgets, I admire the aims of that netvibes thing, as
there are far too many different widget types at the moment. It may be
tricky for netvibes to keep up considering that there is sometimes
fast change in this arena, but maybe this will settle down now that
Vista is out. I would guess that some compromises would have to be
made if you just want to make one widget that works with al the
systems, as not all features are the same. eg I think Apple are
starting to promote the use of quartz composer stuff inside widgets,
and such things just arent going to work on another platform.

And all of that is just mostly about the look  feel side of things,
not talked about API's that allow access to various website services
data, eg for mashup purposes. So yeah, could you narrow down the scope
of this API conversation?

In any case, in most of these areas there is no clear winner yet and
things are moving on so fast, I can hardly keep up with the
announcements let alone learn these emerging systems. For many peoples
the choice of technologies will come down to existing factors, eg the
Adobe Apollo stuff would be of particular interest to me if I was
already versed in Flash and/or Flex development. And we can presume
that Flash will remain popular, with a large install base, and that
Vista will gradually come to have a large userbase, and then perhaps
for the first time we can see whether the masses are gonna use widgets
much. Im about to spend a lot of time experimenting with WPF/E because
 of a few things it can do, but its a gamble because it may not catch
on, its tied to .wmv videoformat, and flash clearly dominates right now. 

So I dunno I may be miles off base but it certainly feels like an
exciting  bewildering time to be considering which technologies to
use for next-gen web apps etc.

Cheers

Steve Elbows

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 I do not have any personal investment or ties with any of the
 following businesses.
 
 http://buylesscrap.org/ Says it all!!
 
 
 Zannel.com is up and running.
 http://www.zannel.com/browse.jsp?tab=channel
 
 
 This one I REALLY like. It is not only looks (I am on a mac so I must
 wait to try it) like a graphical representaion that is interactive but
 seems to be positioning for the 3D (or holographic) displays. From the
 video demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIT-hfgOXYeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etwingly%2Ese%2FScreenSaver%2Easpx
 it seems like there might be a way to load a video behind the global
 menu to show a video preview or the video (I am guessing here based on
 the blog post showing up on the right side of the screen) but even if
 the video loaded to the right as you brows it is really clever and
 much more interesting then the normal 2D blog map.
 
 Twingly http://www.twingly.se/ScreenSaver.aspx
 Twingly screensaver is visualizing the global blog