[videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world??
But couldnt a text blog be considered a genre of writing? I mean if the context delivery mechanism of the work affects the length, style content of the work, then does that create new genre's? Or maybe at least it has the capacity to create new genre's. I mean Id probably agree that videoblogs themselves are not one genre as there are so many diffeent types, and that possibly many of the types are not new genre's made possible only after vlogging came to exist. 'personal video, talk to the camera, filming self' stuff shown on tv many years before vlogging. But then again there were some people vlogging years before the term came to exist. Wasnt there a discussion here some weeks ago abut words like movie? I meant to reply at the time that maybe the word movide is not so used in everyday life by people in the UK compared to USA. We tend to use the words cinema and film more, although this may have diminished somwhat in the last decade as our main satellite provider's channels were named sky movies for years. I never learnt any Latin or anything at school, so I dint realise till the other day that video means 'to see'. So whatever else we can easily disagree on in terms of definition being correctly used, hopefully video is broad enough to stand the test of time. Same goes for television I guess, it seems to mean 'far sight' or something like that. Like I said Im a dunce on these languages so I might be all wrong. I decided the other day that the word multimedia is good for the sort of stuff Im interested in, and that I shouldnt refrain from usng it just cos its been around a while and has no buzz. Are there any lessons from history we can use to make guesstimates? eg are there any words that were heavily used on the internet in the past, that have met an early grave? In terms of the mass adoption of words into the common language, I still dont know many people in wider life that recognise the words blog or vlog, and indeed an amusingly refreshing number of people that have never heard of youtube! Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sure. except film is not part of it ;) maybe tape and hard drive cylinders, but no film. i hear you and its always been true. thats why i have always disagreed with the whole 'vlog as genre' idea. vlog is just blogging videos. nothing more than that. any video. of course people will have many labels for themselves since many will tend to always be applicable. i dont think those who make video to communicate... for messaging or video conversations consider themselves filmmakers though. sull On 3/15/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're all just film-makers. You don't have to be a 'professional' any more. You're making films. Like a writer writes. Or a musician musicianifizes. To classify according to the distribution method is almost irrelevant, now, because it's the norm. I've quoted it before, but here's Francis Ford Coppola in 87/88: To me the great hope is that now these little 8mm video recorders and stuff have come out, some... just people who normally wouldn't make movies are going to be making them, and - you know - suddenly, one day, some little fat girl in Ohio is going to be the new Mozart - you know - and make a beautiful film with her little father's camera...corder - and for once the so-called professionalism about movies will be destroyed... Forever... Well, forget the Mozart part - we didn't need a Messiah to change people's attitudes, we needed the distribution methods to change. And now it's the norm for films to be shown online, so ideas of labelling us according to blogging, vlogging, web, net or youtube have less meaning. and don't help you find types of content any more. We're just filmmakers. What TYPE of films you make... fiction, animation, documentary, magazine shows, autobiographical, confessional, reality TV, instructional... now that's another matter :-) Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/ On 15 Mar 2007, at 17:54, humancloner1997 wrote: anyone have any thoughts and/or suggestions for new terms we might start using in this new world of videoblogging? Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Hoboken, NJ 07030 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world??
I just spent the weekend with Scoble and I can confirm that yes he does celebrate his ability to bite the heads off live chickens. But then again, so did Ozzy Osborn so, I guess he has that in common with rock stars. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geek is the new rock star. In Silicon Valley we celebrate our geekiness. Robert _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of humancloner1997 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:55 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] New words for the vlogging world?? I know wse've had spirited debates on vlogging vs videoblogging on this list. I prefer the former but sometimes use the latter when I think the listener/reader might not understand 'vlogging'. A friend who is somewhat hostile to my focus on Internet video called me a vididiot yesterday. He even suggested I might be a vidiact (meaning a video addict). I had to admit I lived in a vidcentric world and participated from time to time in what might be called the vidocracy of the Yahoo discussion group. All languages grow through the creation of new words. Time Magazine created the term yuppie several years ago. Fanvid is an accepted term on the Internet. My friend worried that I might someday become a geek. My response was that I was a slow learner but hoped I might achieve that 'status' in twenty or more years. His response was that geek was not a label to be embraced, that it came from an old carnival term which meant the one who bit off the head of a live chicken. anyone have any thoughts and/or suggestions for new terms we might start using in this new world of videoblogging? Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Hoboken, NJ 07030 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world??
Hey, I thought we had an agreement: what happens at SXSW stays at SXSW! :-) I did have a chicken when I was a kid (in first grade we hatched her). She pecked me on the lip. I named him Pecker. True story. I bought her chicken feed from a place (Cali Bro's grainery in Cupertino) that now is Symantec's headquarters. Little known useless facts about me. It's almost like reading Twitter! :-) Robert _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Streeter Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:15 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world?? I just spent the weekend with Scoble and I can confirm that yes he does celebrate his ability to bite the heads off live chickens. But then again, so did Ozzy Osborn so, I guess he has that in common with rock stars. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world??
So Twitter was the big winner at sxsw but has anyone used it for things other than party and bar hopping? Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 15 Mar 2007 18:29:10 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world?? Hey, I thought we had an agreement: what happens at SXSW stays at SXSW! :-) I did have a chicken when I was a kid (in first grade we hatched her). She pecked me on the lip. I named him Pecker. True story. I bought her chicken feed from a place (Cali Bro's grainery in Cupertino) that now is Symantec's headquarters. Little known useless facts about me. It's almost like reading Twitter! :-) Robert _ From: videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Streeter Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:15 PM To: videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world?? I just spent the weekend with Scoble and I can confirm that yes he does celebrate his ability to bite the heads off live chickens. But then again, so did Ozzy Osborn so, I guess he has that in common with rock stars. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world??
So Twitter was the big winner at sxsw but has anyone used it for things other than party and bar hopping? Yes. Read http://www.techmeme.com/070315/p84#a070315p84 It's the most controversial (and fastest growing) Web service I've seen since instant messaging came on the scene back in 1996. It's the lamest, stupidest, littlest, thing you've ever seen. But I am addicted. Mostly cause most of my friends and coworkers and employees and bosses are on it. Robert
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world??
Hmmm could make a good “How to Twitter” episode... Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -Original Message- From: Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:01:45 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world?? So Twitter was the big winner at sxsw but has anyone used it for things other than party and bar hopping? Yes. Read http://www.techmeme: http://www.techmeme.com/070315/p84#a070315p84 .com/070315/p84#a070315p84 It's the most controversial (and fastest growing) Web service I've seen since instant messaging came on the scene back in 1996. It's the lamest, stupidest, littlest, thing you've ever seen. But I am addicted. Mostly cause most of my friends and coworkers and employees and bosses are on it. Robert Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world??
In Cincinnati Ohio, you are still just a geek, trust me (talking about myself here) Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geek is the new rock star. In Silicon Valley we celebrate our geekiness. Robert _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of humancloner1997 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:55 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] New words for the vlogging world?? I know wse've had spirited debates on vlogging vs videoblogging on this list. I prefer the former but sometimes use the latter when I think the listener/reader might not understand 'vlogging'. A friend who is somewhat hostile to my focus on Internet video called me a vididiot yesterday. He even suggested I might be a vidiact (meaning a video addict). I had to admit I lived in a vidcentric world and participated from time to time in what might be called the vidocracy of the Yahoo discussion group. All languages grow through the creation of new words. Time Magazine created the term yuppie several years ago. Fanvid is an accepted term on the Internet. My friend worried that I might someday become a geek. My response was that I was a slow learner but hoped I might achieve that 'status' in twenty or more years. His response was that geek was not a label to be embraced, that it came from an old carnival term which meant the one who bit off the head of a live chicken. anyone have any thoughts and/or suggestions for new terms we might start using in this new world of videoblogging? Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Hoboken, NJ 07030 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world??
geek nerd dork Sent via CrackBerry -Original Message- From: Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 15 Mar 2007 19:44:18 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world?? In Cincinnati Ohio, you are still just a geek, trust me (talking about myself here) Heath http://batmangeek7.: http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Robert Scoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geek is the new rock star. In Silicon Valley we celebrate our geekiness. Robert _ From: videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of humancloner1997 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:55 AM To: videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] New words for the vlogging world?? I know wse've had spirited debates on vlogging vs videoblogging on this list. I prefer the former but sometimes use the latter when I think the listener/reader might not understand 'vlogging'. A friend who is somewhat hostile to my focus on Internet video called me a vididiot yesterday. He even suggested I might be a vidiact (meaning a video addict). I had to admit I lived in a vidcentric world and participated from time to time in what might be called the vidocracy of the Yahoo discussion group. All languages grow through the creation of new words. Time Magazine created the term yuppie several years ago. Fanvid is an accepted term on the Internet. My friend worried that I might someday become a geek. My response was that I was a slow learner but hoped I might achieve that 'status' in twenty or more years. His response was that geek was not a label to be embraced, that it came from an old carnival term which meant the one who bit off the head of a live chicken. anyone have any thoughts and/or suggestions for new terms we might start using in this new world of videoblogging? Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Hoboken, NJ 07030 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hOt0.A/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: New words for the vlogging world??
Rupert, I agree that we are all filmmakers. Indeed, even some of the old 8mm and hi-8 cameras have created amazing films like 51 Birch Street (and another documentary that someone used to tell the story of his life growing up). However, filmmaker is not specific enough. We're all (mostly) Americans also. Filmmaker really doesn't describe the new no-gatekeepers, even-copyrights-be-damned, relatively- uncensored, free-speech-stage we are using at this time. We are living in a special time, like the 1960s, which some day soon may well be only those warmly-remembered good old days. In the 1960s 1970s, friends and employees used to sit in front of my shop in Greenwich Village and smoke grass openly. Those days are long gone. There were wild strip sex shows all over NYC. No more! You could set up tables on the street (as I did) and demand the local Police be investigated for refusing to investigate a murder or other crime. We are in the Wild West Days of Internet video. Wait and see! The Status Quo folks will soon have your videos deleted for having a few bars of copyrighted music 'intruding' on a scene and/or for your refusal/inability to produce signed (perhaps notraized) releases from people walking by in the background. I think we are media pioneers, people in the street documenting all kinds of things without a permit. Is Josh Wolf just another 'media person'? If he was, he wouldn't be sitting in jail. Loose Cameras and/or Unregulated Media-makers and/or Internet Video Agitators describe us better than filmmakers. Filmmakers have been around since the late 19th Century. We are the new media of the 21st Century. I'd embrace some new term like vidist before I'd embrace filmmaker as a description of myself. My friend said that anyone could create new words. All you have to do is simply throw them out and (sometimes) people will just pick them up and start using them. I think fanvid is an excellent example of that. Fanvids simply did not exist and were virtualloy impossible until videoblogging enabled everyone to participate in the world of Internet video. Vloggingly yours, Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Hoboken, NJ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're all just film-makers. You don't have to be a 'professional' any more. You're making films. Like a writer writes. Or a musician musicianifizes. To classify according to the distribution method is almost irrelevant, now, because it's the norm. I've quoted it before, but here's Francis Ford Coppola in 87/88: To me the great hope is that now these little 8mm video recorders and stuff have come out, some... just people who normally wouldn't make movies are going to be making them, and - you know - suddenly, one day, some little fat girl in Ohio is going to be the new Mozart - you know - and make a beautiful film with her little father's camera...corder - and for once the so-called professionalism about movies will be destroyed... Forever... Well, forget the Mozart part - we didn't need a Messiah to change people's attitudes, we needed the distribution methods to change. And now it's the norm for films to be shown online, so ideas of labelling us according to blogging, vlogging, web, net or youtube have less meaning. and don't help you find types of content any more. We're just filmmakers. What TYPE of films you make... fiction, animation, documentary, magazine shows, autobiographical, confessional, reality TV, instructional... now that's another matter :-) Rupert http://www.fatgirlinohio.org http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/ On 15 Mar 2007, at 17:54, humancloner1997 wrote: anyone have any thoughts and/or suggestions for new terms we might start using in this new world of videoblogging? Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Hoboken, NJ 07030 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
