Re: [videoblogging] Wordpress vs Blogger for Vloggers
Heath, I second the book that Mr Verdi is suggesting, Head Start HTML CSS. I'm half way thru it but take in a little bit each day. Besides, don't you want your own domain name and not one owned by blogger? John --- Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Heath, I don't know if this helps anything at all but here my experience. I started blogging with blogger just over 5 years ago (wow I found blog posts with video from Mar 2003). Previously I had taught myself web design in the late 90s using programs like Dreamweaver to create crazy nested tables. Blogger's template tags and css were totally confusing to me. Luckily I was able to use dreamweaver to edit (mangle?) my blogger template and make it look the way I wanted. Then in 2005 when I switched to Wordpress I was, like you, completely lost for about a week. I learned that messing with the php stuff made my blog break so I stopped doing that and stuck to selecting a theme that I liked and switching out images with new ones given the same name. I also saw that there were a bunch of colors and fonts listed in the styles.css file and I could change those without causing too much trouble. Little by little with trial and error I started to understand how things worked - html to build the structure, css to control the layout, php to talk to the database. That alone got my pretty far but the one thing that really made a difference for me (besides lots and lots of time sticking with it) was reading Head First HTML with CSS XHTML - http://tinyurl.com/3a6n6v After a few days working though that book I could suddenly see things in HTML and CSS - they didn't look like just a bunch of code. That's when using a text editor to create designs became preferred and easier to use than the things that try to hide it all from you. So I guess I'm saying that I feel your pain Heath. Don't get discouraged because it's hard after just a few days. It took me a few years to feel like I had some sort of clue. Now, about Wordpress being more difficult to use that Blogger... Yes it is. Can it be as easy as Blogger? Probably not without giving up some of the flexibility that it designed for. In the big scheme of things is Wordpress fairly easy for what it provides? Heck yeah! Themes, plugins and widgets are easy and powerful ways to customize it and fairly easy to use once you get the hang of it. Hope that helps, Verdi On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I have been a Blogger user since I started my vlog. I also use Vpip. I started using that about 6 months or so ago. I have recently begun thinking about switching to Wordpress. the reasons why are 1) I would like more control over how my vlog site looks and 2) I'm bored. Now I have to say, when I look at sites, like Hollow Bone Films or Ryanne is Hungry and a few others who have Show in a Box with Wordpress I am like, 'man that is cool' but after spending over 2 days trying to work with Wordpress I am ready to stop vlogging all together...ok, maybe it's not that bad, but it has been a challange. Jay, Ryanne, Cherly and Eric have been great helping me out...but that kinda goes and leads to thisBlogger just worksyou don't have to know a whole lot to get it up and running and to even add video, the page elements are easy, it works like a person thinks it should (at least a person who is not ultra geeky) I was up and running and had video on my site in a few hours with Blogger, with Wordpress I am into day three and can't figure out why my links won't work Now I think Wordpress with Show in a box will be much better once it's all said and done...but the learning curve.man, there is a learning curve Which brings me to the point of this whole post...why can't Wordpress by more like Blogger in terms of use of use? Can it? Should it be? Who uses both? Who likes which better and why? Let the battle begin... heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://michaelverdi.com http://reportsfromthefuture.com http://showinabox.tv Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [videoblogging] Wordpress vs Blogger for Vloggers
On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:40 AM, John Coffey wrote: Besides, don't you want your own domain name and not one owned by blogger? it has always been possible to use your own domain with Blogger http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=55373 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Wordpress vs Blogger for Vloggers
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it has always been possible to use your own domain with Blogger http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=55373 Yeah that totally true. I hosted my blogger blog on my own url from the very beginning. - Verdi -- http://michaelverdi.com http://reportsfromthefuture.com http://showinabox.tv
Re: [videoblogging] Wordpress vs Blogger for Vloggers
Hey Heath, I don't know if this helps anything at all but here my experience. I started blogging with blogger just over 5 years ago (wow I found blog posts with video from Mar 2003). Previously I had taught myself web design in the late 90s using programs like Dreamweaver to create crazy nested tables. Blogger's template tags and css were totally confusing to me. Luckily I was able to use dreamweaver to edit (mangle?) my blogger template and make it look the way I wanted. Then in 2005 when I switched to Wordpress I was, like you, completely lost for about a week. I learned that messing with the php stuff made my blog break so I stopped doing that and stuck to selecting a theme that I liked and switching out images with new ones given the same name. I also saw that there were a bunch of colors and fonts listed in the styles.css file and I could change those without causing too much trouble. Little by little with trial and error I started to understand how things worked - html to build the structure, css to control the layout, php to talk to the database. That alone got my pretty far but the one thing that really made a difference for me (besides lots and lots of time sticking with it) was reading Head First HTML with CSS XHTML - http://tinyurl.com/3a6n6v After a few days working though that book I could suddenly see things in HTML and CSS - they didn't look like just a bunch of code. That's when using a text editor to create designs became preferred and easier to use than the things that try to hide it all from you. So I guess I'm saying that I feel your pain Heath. Don't get discouraged because it's hard after just a few days. It took me a few years to feel like I had some sort of clue. Now, about Wordpress being more difficult to use that Blogger... Yes it is. Can it be as easy as Blogger? Probably not without giving up some of the flexibility that it designed for. In the big scheme of things is Wordpress fairly easy for what it provides? Heck yeah! Themes, plugins and widgets are easy and powerful ways to customize it and fairly easy to use once you get the hang of it. Hope that helps, Verdi On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I have been a Blogger user since I started my vlog. I also use Vpip. I started using that about 6 months or so ago. I have recently begun thinking about switching to Wordpress. the reasons why are 1) I would like more control over how my vlog site looks and 2) I'm bored. Now I have to say, when I look at sites, like Hollow Bone Films or Ryanne is Hungry and a few others who have Show in a Box with Wordpress I am like, 'man that is cool' but after spending over 2 days trying to work with Wordpress I am ready to stop vlogging all together...ok, maybe it's not that bad, but it has been a challange. Jay, Ryanne, Cherly and Eric have been great helping me out...but that kinda goes and leads to thisBlogger just worksyou don't have to know a whole lot to get it up and running and to even add video, the page elements are easy, it works like a person thinks it should (at least a person who is not ultra geeky) I was up and running and had video on my site in a few hours with Blogger, with Wordpress I am into day three and can't figure out why my links won't work Now I think Wordpress with Show in a box will be much better once it's all said and done...but the learning curve.man, there is a learning curve Which brings me to the point of this whole post...why can't Wordpress by more like Blogger in terms of use of use? Can it? Should it be? Who uses both? Who likes which better and why? Let the battle begin... heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://michaelverdi.com http://reportsfromthefuture.com http://showinabox.tv
[videoblogging] Wordpress vs Blogger for Vloggers
Ok, I have been a Blogger user since I started my vlog. I also use Vpip. I started using that about 6 months or so ago. I have recently begun thinking about switching to Wordpress. the reasons why are 1) I would like more control over how my vlog site looks and 2) I'm bored. Now I have to say, when I look at sites, like Hollow Bone Films or Ryanne is Hungry and a few others who have Show in a Box with Wordpress I am like, 'man that is cool' but after spending over 2 days trying to work with Wordpress I am ready to stop vlogging all together...ok, maybe it's not that bad, but it has been a challange. Jay, Ryanne, Cherly and Eric have been great helping me out...but that kinda goes and leads to thisBlogger just worksyou don't have to know a whole lot to get it up and running and to even add video, the page elements are easy, it works like a person thinks it should (at least a person who is not ultra geeky) I was up and running and had video on my site in a few hours with Blogger, with Wordpress I am into day three and can't figure out why my links won't work Now I think Wordpress with Show in a box will be much better once it's all said and done...but the learning curve.man, there is a learning curve Which brings me to the point of this whole post...why can't Wordpress by more like Blogger in terms of use of use? Can it? Should it be? Who uses both? Who likes which better and why? Let the battle begin... heath http://batmangeek.com http://heathparks.com
Re: [videoblogging] wordpress and blogger
This is so cool. I remember back at vloggercon last year and in Kenyatta's session on mapping the future...this was one of the topics on the board...(I think it was mine even!) The tools need to make it easier to videoblogand it only took a year for blogger to hop up :) But we didn't wait for them! (vPip, Vlogsposion, showinabox, etc.) Ah, group hug. -Devlon On 6/17/07, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still hoping Matt/WordPress will someday soon be able to publish my videos straight from my head. But then, I'm a dreamer. Show in a Box, huh? Sounds like the next-best thing, for now...Thanks for the reminder, Jay. Harold On 6/15/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Jay, Im using wordpress myself, and I'm very happy with the blip.tv/wordpress combo, but good to know what is out there I think the WP/blip combo is powerful since blip is so good at multiple formats (especially now with Pro acccounts). check out showinabox.tv. we need to do more documentation, but the idea is to build a better WP theme with all the right plug-ins to showcase video better...help build a community around the videosand figure out an alternative way to fund consistent video work from the viewers in the NPR model. Showinabox community is here: http://groups.google.com/group/show-in-a-box here's our plans: http://showinabox.pbwiki.com/ jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://politicalvideo.org 500 hours of George Bush speeches!! Search, download, remix!! Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- -Devlon http://devlonduthie.com | http://mefeedia.com MSN: du.th.ied AIM: devlond
Re: [videoblogging] wordpress and blogger
I'm still hoping Matt/WordPress will someday soon be able to publish my videos straight from my head. But then, I'm a dreamer. Show in a Box, huh? Sounds like the next-best thing, for now...Thanks for the reminder, Jay. Harold On 6/15/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info Jay, Im using wordpress myself, and I'm very happy with the blip.tv/wordpress combo, but good to know what is out there I think the WP/blip combo is powerful since blip is so good at multiple formats (especially now with Pro acccounts). check out showinabox.tv. we need to do more documentation, but the idea is to build a better WP theme with all the right plug-ins to showcase video better...help build a community around the videosand figure out an alternative way to fund consistent video work from the viewers in the NPR model. Showinabox community is here: http://groups.google.com/group/show-in-a-box here's our plans: http://showinabox.pbwiki.com/ jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://politicalvideo.org 500 hours of George Bush speeches!! Search, download, remix!!
[videoblogging] wordpress and blogger
For blogging geeks, it was pretty incredible to have both Blogger and Wordpress represent side by side at Pixelodeon: http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/553043794/ Matt, who leads the Wordpress community, and Eric, the project manager of Blogger, each did a presentation/QA with the vloggers. Here's what we found out: Based on what we've asked for...Blogger is going to let you upload video IN THE POST soon using google video. It'll be Flash and/or QT. Plus blogger will have RSS 2.0 feeds with enclosures. I have actually seen this work with my own eyes. wow. Matt from Wordpress seemed pleasantly surprised to see all the things videobloggers have done with WP. Since WP.org is obviously a bottom up community, he encourages us to get more involved in their development community. We showed them the community we just started here: http://showinabox.tv/. Basically its a theme specifically designed for a regularly published videoblog, a new vPiP that allows multiple formats and feeds, and a new Pledge Drive that lets you get your audience to pledge money to you automatically each month through paypal. Join the mailing list here: http://groups.google.com/group/show-in-a-box Anywaygood things. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://politicalvideo.org 500 hours of George Bush speeches!! Search, download, remix!!
Re: [videoblogging] wordpress and blogger
Sweet so this means vlogs and video podcasts are being well represented. On 6/15/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For blogging geeks, it was pretty incredible to have both Blogger and Wordpress represent side by side at Pixelodeon: http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/553043794/ Matt, who leads the Wordpress community, and Eric, the project manager of Blogger, each did a presentation/QA with the vloggers. Here's what we found out: Based on what we've asked for...Blogger is going to let you upload video IN THE POST soon using google video. It'll be Flash and/or QT. Plus blogger will have RSS 2.0 feeds with enclosures. I have actually seen this work with my own eyes. wow. Matt from Wordpress seemed pleasantly surprised to see all the things videobloggers have done with WP. Since WP.org is obviously a bottom up community, he encourages us to get more involved in their development community. We showed them the community we just started here: http://showinabox.tv/. Basically its a theme specifically designed for a regularly published videoblog, a new vPiP that allows multiple formats and feeds, and a new Pledge Drive that lets you get your audience to pledge money to you automatically each month through paypal. Join the mailing list here: http://groups.google.com/group/show-in-a-box Anywaygood things. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://politicalvideo.org 500 hours of George Bush speeches!! Search, download, remix!! -- -Jonathan Bloom http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] wordpress and blogger
Thanks for the info Jay, Im using wordpress myself, and I'm very happy with the blip.tv/wordpress combo, but good to know what is out there Mark www.overlander.tv Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For blogging geeks, it was pretty incredible to have both Blogger and Wordpress represent side by side at Pixelodeon: http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/553043794/ Matt, who leads the Wordpress community, and Eric, the project manager of Blogger, each did a presentation/QA with the vloggers. Here's what we found out: Based on what we've asked for...Blogger is going to let you upload video IN THE POST soon using google video. It'll be Flash and/or QT. Plus blogger will have RSS 2.0 feeds with enclosures. I have actually seen this work with my own eyes. wow. Matt from Wordpress seemed pleasantly surprised to see all the things videobloggers have done with WP. Since WP.org is obviously a bottom up community, he encourages us to get more involved in their development community. We showed them the community we just started here: http://showinabox.tv/. Basically its a theme specifically designed for a regularly published videoblog, a new vPiP that allows multiple formats and feeds, and a new Pledge Drive that lets you get your audience to pledge money to you automatically each month through paypal. Join the mailing list here: http://groups.google.com/group/show-in-a-box Anywaygood things. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://politicalvideo.org 500 hours of George Bush speeches!! Search, download, remix!! - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] wordpress and blogger
Thanks for the info Jay, Im using wordpress myself, and I'm very happy with the blip.tv/wordpress combo, but good to know what is out there I think the WP/blip combo is powerful since blip is so good at multiple formats (especially now with Pro acccounts). check out showinabox.tv. we need to do more documentation, but the idea is to build a better WP theme with all the right plug-ins to showcase video better...help build a community around the videosand figure out an alternative way to fund consistent video work from the viewers in the NPR model. Showinabox community is here: http://groups.google.com/group/show-in-a-box here's our plans: http://showinabox.pbwiki.com/ jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Check out the latest project: http://politicalvideo.org 500 hours of George Bush speeches!! Search, download, remix!!
