RE: [videoblogging] Turkish goverment banned YOUTUBE!... Please forward everybody!...

2007-03-07 Thread Charles Hope
And then they're confused as to why they're finding difficulty joining the EU. 
It's called the 20th Century, guys. Join it.




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 Dear Friends;
 
 Turkish goverments banned www.youtube.com in Turkey. 
 Somebodies put a video about Ataturk in youtube (Ataturk is 
 founder of Turkish republic) and defamation about him. Of 
 course it's not a good thing but banned a website I think is 
 not a democratic movement. Because only one video is included 
 this bad thing why other thousands videos are banned? I don't 
 understand why? And this reason Turkish goverment banned 
 youtube today.
 
 And if you type www.youtube.com on your internet browser 
 anywhere in Turkey you will see below message.
 
 
 *
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 *Bu siteye eriþim mahkeme kararýyla engellenmiþtir !...*
 
 *www.youtube.com* http://www.youtube.com sitesine eriþim 
 Ýstanbul 1. Sulh Ceza Mahkemesi'nin 2007/384 sayý ve 
 06.03.2007 tarihli kararý gereði engellenmiþtir.
 
 Access to *www.youtube.com*
 https://mail.google.com/mail/www.youtube.comsite has been 
 suspended in accordance with decision no: 2007/384 dated
 06.03.2007 of Istanbul First Criminal Peace Court.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Turkish goverment banned YOUTUBE!... Please forward everybody!...

2007-03-07 Thread Rupert
Maybe they're confused by the example the French are setting (see  
other thread).  Perhaps they think that to join the EU one has to  
close down User Generated media outlets and imprison citizen  
journalists.   Remember the French legal ruling in 2000 to censor Yahoo?

I'm sure it won't last.  A political football, but one worthy of a  
lot of protest.  I hope the voters give them hell.

Turkey is, for all the bad press it gets, not a backward country.   
It's easy for us to look at it through an orientalist lens.  It has a  
fast growing economy and a thriving democratic government that tries  
to achieve a separation of (Islamic) church and state.  But there are  
certain laws there that restrict freedom of speech - mostly to do  
with insulting Turkey, its history and heroes, it seems.  Feelings  
can run pretty hot on this stuff  - last month a journalist was shot  
on the street for accusing Turkey of genocide in 1915.  Nobel  
laureate novelist Orhan Pamuk was almost taken to trial for talking  
about the same thing.

But YouTube, from what I gather, was shut down because some Greek  
people called Ataturk gay.  That may seem pretty backward, but I  
think it's interesting to think about how such a thing could easily  
happen in our own backyard.  We don't have total freedom of speech in  
the UK - for instance, last year Blair made it against the law to  
incite religious hatred in the UK.  Incitement to religious hatred  
might be open to interpretation.  And I can see how a modern European  
country like the UK or France could end up fighting something like  
this in the courts.  That's what worries me.  And I can see the  
'happy slapping' law from France coming here, too.

Rupert

On 7 Mar 2007, at 17:18, Charles Hope wrote:

And then they're confused as to why they're finding difficulty  
joining the EU. It's called the 20th Century, guys. Join it.

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  From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gokcen Karan
  Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 11:10
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [videoblogging] Turkish goverment banned YOUTUBE!...
  Please forward everybody!...
 
  Dear Friends;
 
  Turkish goverments banned www.youtube.com in Turkey.
  Somebodies put a video about Ataturk in youtube (Ataturk is
  founder of Turkish republic) and defamation about him. Of
  course it's not a good thing but banned a website I think is
  not a democratic movement. Because only one video is included
  this bad thing why other thousands videos are banned? I don't
  understand why? And this reason Turkish goverment banned
  youtube today.
 
  And if you type www.youtube.com on your internet browser
  anywhere in Turkey you will see below message.
 
 
  *
  __
  __
  *
 
  *Bu siteye eriþim mahkeme kararýyla engellenmiþtir !...*
 
  *www.youtube.com* http://www.youtube.com sitesine eriþim
  Ýstanbul 1. Sulh Ceza Mahkemesi'nin 2007/384 sayý ve
  06.03.2007 tarihli kararý gereði engellenmiþtir.
 
  Access to *www.youtube.com*
  https://mail.google.com/mail/www.youtube.comsite has been
  suspended in accordance with decision no: 2007/384 dated
  06.03.2007 of Istanbul First Criminal Peace Court.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Turkish goverment banned YOUTUBE!... Please forward everybody!...

2007-03-07 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello,

On 3/7/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[...]

  But YouTube, from what I gather, was shut down because some Greek
  people called Ataturk gay.  That may seem pretty backward, but I
  think it's interesting to think about how such a thing could easily
  happen in our own backyard.  We don't have total freedom of speech in
  the UK - for instance, last year Blair made it against the law to
  incite religious hatred in the UK.  Incitement to religious hatred
  might be open to interpretation.  And I can see how a modern European
  country like the UK or France could end up fighting something like
  this in the courts.  That's what worries me.  And I can see the
  'happy slapping' law from France coming here, too.

It might be difficult to judge ourselves objectively but

Any country (like the Occidental countries) who enforces Copyright law
or Patent law doesn't have free speech.

Also... any country (like the Occidental countries) that enforces
anti-defamation law -- anti-slander or anti-libel law -- doesn't have
free speech.


See ya

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Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.

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