Re: [videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
It matters. I just emailed them to fix it. No link back to permalink of blog entry ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ No display of CC license ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ --Steve On Apr 14, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: if sites like network2 are opt-in now, then I suppose it doesnt amtter so much if they dont show creative commons feed info? -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
We build a page for each producer's show, complete with your show name, a link to your original website, links to your RSS feed (for an audience to subscribe), and links to the original media. I think that is an interesting statement. My 'original' website links to my RSS feed, and links to my 'original' media. The only problem is that they are not respecting my 'original' media. Or my original site. Or my RSS feed (or at least Steve's which has a proper CC in the feed...). They are creating new media with my content. That's uncool. I have yet to ask them to remove our show from their listings, as I have yet to do with Magnify.net, which I consider to be the same disrespectful business model of Pyro and My Heavy. These asshats need to start playing by some respectful rules. Just because they went out and whored themselves for big VC money doesn't give them the right to slurp up our content and give us some song and dance about how they really are helping us. For crying out loud! Is it that difficult to give a link and not to re-encode content, and to drive traffic to the original site? Of course it's not. They simply have zero respect for independent content creators. And that's the real rub, isn't it? I mean is anyone here not offended by the total lack of respect that they give all of us? I'd like to see a my heavy, pyro, magnify business model that was scraping corporate media's content. Cheers, Ron Watson On the Web: http://pawsitivevybe.com http://k9disc.com http://k9disc.blip.tv On Apr 15, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: Aha, interesting, I hadnt noticed the permalink issue. Their publishers page still says We build a page for each producer's show, complete with your show name, a link to your original website, links to your RSS feed (for an audience to subscribe), and links to the original media. so hopefully this is just some oversight when they redesigned their site - was it working as advertised in the past? Hmm I said I wouldnt still be ranting about network2 in 6 months, but that was based on no new violations of creators rights. Still, I feel more than a little awkward being in this territory again. I had hoped that the strong networking by network2's Chris Brogan, the participation of some vloggers in that VON and other meetups, and the participation by some members of this community in the network2 competition, meant there were exceedingly strong channels of communication between creators and network2, and that therefore this sort of thing was unlikely to happen. What do people think about them now including easily cutpasteable 'permalinks' for your videos, which are permalinks to the network2 page for the show, and also their embedded player, which I havent tried yet but suspect will be another feature designed to drive traffic to their site and not to the content creators. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It matters. I just emailed them to fix it. No link back to permalink of blog entry ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ No display of CC license ( it's in the feed ) http://network2.tv/episode/2832833/ --Steve On Apr 14, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: if sites like network2 are opt-in now, then I suppose it doesnt amtter so much if they dont show creative commons feed info? -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
I actually ended up stopping by this site a few days ago. I think it was mentioned in some article i read. Funny thing is, they have the exact same tagline as one of the sites I worked on. But yeah, they are giving you attribution but they are definately re-hosting a newly transcoded flv file: http://www.pyro.tv/media/4/sharedmedia/6/40/10/5075_416572.mp4.flv Sull On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm referring them to the vertigo aggregator best practices http://videovertigo.org/information/aggregation/ though i'm not seeing on there a specific clause about transcoding and re-hosting other than this phrase: Aggregators should always conduct video playback in the video's original player, rather than the aggregator's player. i don't think that's specific enough.. that says original player, not original format. technically would that be considered the same thing? because quicktime just has one player flash could possibly have different players so i'm a little confused on that wording. -ry On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]ryanne.hodson%40gmail.com wrote: yep. another one http://www.pyro.tv/ transcoding your stuff to flash (heck, it even looks ok) but then re-hosting. and i so sick and tired that i'll just let this one slide? um no. that ain't cool. SIGH -ryanne -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
They seem to be giving attribution and providing direct download links to the original file ... downloads will hit blip for stats and links will hit feedburner and what not ... but the transcoding still bugs me. I wonder why these sites are so determined to eat up their own hosting/bandwidth space when they needn't? They seem to have come close at this site and say on their publishers page: Protecting Your Stuff We are creative types ourselves and understand that hollow and angry feeling when someone hijacks your stuff. So we provide very visible attribution of your content, which we copy completely intact with all beauty you intended. And if you don't want your videos on Pyro.TV, we promise to take it down right away Sounds like they may be the sort who will be willing to go that last mile and stop the copy portion of their plan and just use the content we're already distributing in the feed. ... here's hoping. :-) - Dave On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm referring them to the vertigo aggregator best practices http://videovertigo.org/information/aggregation/ though i'm not seeing on there a specific clause about transcoding and re-hosting other than this phrase: Aggregators should always conduct video playback in the video's original player, rather than the aggregator's player. i don't think that's specific enough.. that says original player, not original format. technically would that be considered the same thing? because quicktime just has one player flash could possibly have different players so i'm a little confused on that wording. -ry On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yep. another one http://www.pyro.tv/ transcoding your stuff to flash (heck, it even looks ok) but then re-hosting. and i so sick and tired that i'll just let this one slide? um no. that ain't cool. SIGH -ryanne -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: pyro.tv transcoding and rehosting your stuff
I think its in part because they want to assure all videos on their site are flash in order to avoid playback issues with users... and also it provides them with some deeper viewing stats as well. They are using on2 flix http://on2.com/technology/flix-features/ They are using their bandwidth. Both cost money. However The transcoding software is just good tool to have under the hood for a startup in the video space. So not a waste of money there. The bandwidth could also be insignificant until they become BIG. I think it comes back to stats and it just works perspective. Keep in mind, few services openly offer flv format like blip does. If more did so, then we would probably see less rehosting of the flash format. Sull On 4/14/07, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They seem to be giving attribution and providing direct download links to the original file ... downloads will hit blip for stats and links will hit feedburner and what not ... but the transcoding still bugs me. I wonder why these sites are so determined to eat up their own hosting/bandwidth space when they needn't? They seem to have come close at this site and say on their publishers page: Protecting Your Stuff We are creative types ourselves and understand that hollow and angry feeling when someone hijacks your stuff. So we provide very visible attribution of your content, which we copy completely intact with all beauty you intended. And if you don't want your videos on Pyro.TV, we promise to take it down right away Sounds like they may be the sort who will be willing to go that last mile and stop the copy portion of their plan and just use the content we're already distributing in the feed. ... here's hoping. :-) - Dave On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]ryanne.hodson%40gmail.com wrote: i'm referring them to the vertigo aggregator best practices http://videovertigo.org/information/aggregation/ though i'm not seeing on there a specific clause about transcoding and re-hosting other than this phrase: Aggregators should always conduct video playback in the video's original player, rather than the aggregator's player. i don't think that's specific enough.. that says original player, not original format. technically would that be considered the same thing? because quicktime just has one player flash could possibly have different players so i'm a little confused on that wording. -ry On 4/14/07, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]ryanne.hodson%40gmail.com wrote: yep. another one http://www.pyro.tv/ transcoding your stuff to flash (heck, it even looks ok) but then re-hosting. and i so sick and tired that i'll just let this one slide? um no. that ain't cool. SIGH -ryanne -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo -- Pixelodeon-June 9th 10th American Film Institute (AFI) LA, CA From the Computer Screen to the Big Screen http://pixelodeonfest.com/ -- Author of Secrets of Videoblogging http://tinyurl.com/me4vs Me http://RyanEdit.com, http://RyanIsHungry.com Educate http://FreeVlog.org, http://Node101.org Community Capitalism http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com iChat/AIM VideoRodeo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
