Re: [Wikitech-l] Gallery weirdness in Chrome

2009-07-31 Thread Aryeh Gregor
It should be fixed in r54097.

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[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Thanks to the WP Tech people

2009-07-31 Thread David Gerard
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Subject: [Foundation-l] Thanks to the WP Tech people
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It's very good to see the English Wikipedia back and running smoothly again;
my withdrawal symptoms were getting hard to handle :-). Seriously, thank you
to all the people who fixed the problem.

Marc Riddell


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Thanks to the WP Tech people

2009-07-31 Thread Kwan Ting Chan

David Gerard wrote:

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It's very good to see the English Wikipedia back and running smoothly again;
my withdrawal symptoms were getting hard to handle :-). Seriously, thank you
to all the people who fixed the problem.

Marc Riddell


Hear, hear.

Now that the maintenance is complete, perhaps switch the site notice 
back to the board election?


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Thanks to the WP Tech people

2009-07-31 Thread Casey Brown
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Kwan Ting Chank...@ktchan.info wrote:
 Now that the maintenance is complete, perhaps switch the site notice back to
 the board election?


Hrm, it should be... but it's not.

The only one that's still enabled is:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralNoticemethod=listNoticeDetailnotice=boardvote-voting
and it doesn't mention that notice.

Downtime is disabled:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralNoticemethod=listNoticeDetailnotice=Downtime

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Thanks to the WP Tech people

2009-07-31 Thread Tomasz Finc
Casey Brown wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Kwan Ting Chank...@ktchan.info wrote:
 Now that the maintenance is complete, perhaps switch the site notice back to
 the board election?

 
 Hrm, it should be... but it's not.
 
 The only one that's still enabled is:
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralNoticemethod=listNoticeDetailnotice=boardvote-voting
 and it doesn't mention that notice.
 
 Downtime is disabled:
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralNoticemethod=listNoticeDetailnotice=Downtime
 

I ran a regen and it's gone now. Must have just missed the regen cycle.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Geonotice improvements that could make Wikinews great (among other benefits)

2009-07-31 Thread Sage Ross
The Strategic Planning wiki is a good place to discuss this idea and
how it changed and/or implemented:
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals/Geonotice_improvements
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals/Geonotice_improvements

-Sage

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Sage Rossragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
 One of the great frustrations of Wikinews for me is that it doesn't
 have a system for identifying and pointing users toward opportunities
 to get out into the offline world and do original reporting.  A
 fine-grained cross-project opt-in geonotice system could be a
 solution.

 Here's how I imagine it working: there is a new opt-in geonotice (in
 addition to the current one that reaches everyone in the specified
 geography).  For the opt-in geonotice (which would hopefully be able
 to reach across projects, since many causal Wikinewsies visit that
 site only rarely) any trusted user could add new items to let nearby
 people know about reporting or photography opportunities.  For these
 opt-in notices, we would not need to lock down the ability to add
 items like we do for the current geonotice system (it's a fully
 protected page), since people who opt-in will expect a bit a noise.

 So, for example, I would set a notice that Senator Chris Dodd is
 holding a public discussion about health care reform on such-and-such
 date in Hartford, Connecticut.  I mark this as a photo opportunity and
 a reporting opportunity.  The system sets a default radius (or better
 yet, users specify the radius they want to be notified within) and
 everyone within x kilometers of Hartford who has opted in to the
 notice gets a watchlist message pointing to more details.  I can
 imagine a wide range of tips and events that could be spread to the
 right people with such a system.

 This would do a couple things: it would draw in new users to Wikinews,
 and given enough participation it could provide a resource that is
 useful for professional journalists.  Journalists are eager to figure
 out useful ways to tap the knowledge of amateurs, and a widely used
 geography-based tip-line is something that Wikimedia still has a
 chance to be the first organization to do well.  I think finding a way
 to play a major part in the ongoing changes in the journalism world
 ought to be a high priority for the Foundation.

 -Sage Ross (User:Ragesoss)


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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code Coverage MacGyver tools now on Mediawiki wiki

2009-07-31 Thread Brion Vibber
On 7/31/09 9:47 AM, dan nessett wrote:

 I have just posted the two MacGyver tools I used to generate the parserTests 
 code coverage statistics. They are found at:

 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Dnessett/Parser_Tests/MacGyver_Tests

Nce :D

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[Wikitech-l] Extensions in Bugzilla

2009-07-31 Thread Chad
Hey all,

I've compiled a list[1] of extensions in Bugzilla that don't have a default
assignee. If you want to be (or should already be) the assignee for any
of these, please let me know. Would like to really cut that list down
so bugs are getting triaged to someone who cares. Right now, they're
all being assigned to wikibugs-l, and we know how many bugs he
resolves :p

-Chad

[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:^demon/Unloved_extensions

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[Wikitech-l] Parser test result integration for CodeReview coming

2009-07-31 Thread Brion Vibber
Just a quick heads-up:

I spent a little time this week hacking up integration of test data for 
the CodeReview extension, and the ability for ParserTests to upload its 
invocation data there.

Once configured live, parser tests will be automatically run on all 
checkins to MediaWiki trunk and the results will be visible on the list 
 detail views at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki

This should help in identifying regressions. :)

The system allows for data on multiple test suites to be sent in, so we 
can rig up similar tests for the unit test suites (if they get fixed up 
to actually work right!) and client-side Selenium-based tests we've been 
talking about but have yet to implement.

If we don't have time to set it up today, the parser test integration 
should be ready by early next week.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Parser test result integration for CodeReview coming

2009-07-31 Thread dan nessett

Great news!

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 From: Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org
 Subject: [Wikitech-l] Parser test result integration for CodeReview coming
 To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 11:04 AM
 Just a quick heads-up:
 
 I spent a little time this week hacking up integration of
 test data for 
 the CodeReview extension, and the ability for ParserTests
 to upload its 
 invocation data there.
 
 Once configured live, parser tests will be automatically
 run on all 
 checkins to MediaWiki trunk and the results will be visible
 on the list 
  detail views at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki
 
 This should help in identifying regressions. :)
 
 The system allows for data on multiple test suites to be
 sent in, so we 
 can rig up similar tests for the unit test suites (if they
 get fixed up 
 to actually work right!) and client-side Selenium-based
 tests we've been 
 talking about but have yet to implement.
 
 If we don't have time to set it up today, the parser test
 integration 
 should be ready by early next week.
 
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Extensions in Bugzilla

2009-07-31 Thread Sergey Chernyshev
You can count me in for OpenID.

Sergey


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On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all,

 I've compiled a list[1] of extensions in Bugzilla that don't have a default
 assignee. If you want to be (or should already be) the assignee for any
 of these, please let me know. Would like to really cut that list down
 so bugs are getting triaged to someone who cares. Right now, they're
 all being assigned to wikibugs-l, and we know how many bugs he
 resolves :p

 -Chad

 [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:^demon/Unloved_extensions

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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Geonotice improvements that could make Wikinews great (among other benefits)

2009-07-31 Thread phoebe ayers
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Sage Rossragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
 One of the great frustrations of Wikinews for me is that it doesn't
 have a system for identifying and pointing users toward opportunities
 to get out into the offline world and do original reporting.  A
 fine-grained cross-project opt-in geonotice system could be a
 solution.

 Here's how I imagine it working: there is a new opt-in geonotice (in
 addition to the current one that reaches everyone in the specified
 geography).  For the opt-in geonotice (which would hopefully be able
 to reach across projects, since many causal Wikinewsies visit that
 site only rarely) any trusted user could add new items to let nearby
 people know about reporting or photography opportunities.  For these
 opt-in notices, we would not need to lock down the ability to add
 items like we do for the current geonotice system (it's a fully
 protected page), since people who opt-in will expect a bit a noise.

I think this would be awesome to try out! Geonotices have proved to be
wonderful for helping out with local meetups; I can even imagine
having two filters, opt-into notifications for local events and
opt-into notifications for wikinews stuff. Both pages to set the
notifications could be unprotected, and we could just see how it went.

That is all :)
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Extensions in Bugzilla

2009-07-31 Thread Chad
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Audeaude.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all,

 I've compiled a list[1] of extensions in Bugzilla that don't have a default
 assignee. If you want to be (or should already be) the assignee for any
 of these, please let me know. Would like to really cut that list down
 so bugs are getting triaged to someone who cares. Right now, they're
 all being assigned to wikibugs-l, and we know how many bugs he
 resolves :p

 -Chad

 [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:^demon/Unloved_extensions



 I think the best place for the maps bugs is the maps-l list. (if no one
 objects)

 Or, they can Ævar, myself, and anyone else that wants to get them.

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Added everybody who's replied to the list thus far. Maps-l isn't
registered with an account on Bugzilla, so I can't assign it
right now, so I just put Aude and Ævar.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Extensions in Bugzilla

2009-07-31 Thread Sergey Chernyshev
Actually Maps was just developed by Jeroen De Dauw under supervision of
Yaron Koren as part of Google Summer of Code - they might be interested in
maintaining it as well, just didn't get around to applying for it, maybe.

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On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Audeaude.w...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hey all,
 
  I've compiled a list[1] of extensions in Bugzilla that don't have a
 default
  assignee. If you want to be (or should already be) the assignee for any
  of these, please let me know. Would like to really cut that list down
  so bugs are getting triaged to someone who cares. Right now, they're
  all being assigned to wikibugs-l, and we know how many bugs he
  resolves :p
 
  -Chad
 
  [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:^demon/Unloved_extensions
 
 
 
  I think the best place for the maps bugs is the maps-l list. (if no one
  objects)
 
  Or, they can Ævar, myself, and anyone else that wants to get them.
 
  -Aude
 
 
 
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 registered with an account on Bugzilla, so I can't assign it
 right now, so I just put Aude and Ævar.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Extensions in Bugzilla

2009-07-31 Thread Chad
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Sergey
Chernyshevsergey.chernys...@gmail.com wrote:
 Actually Maps was just developed by Jeroen De Dauw under supervision of
 Yaron Koren as part of Google Summer of Code - they might be interested in
 maintaining it as well, just didn't get around to applying for it, maybe.

        Sergey


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 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Audeaude.w...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hey all,
 
  I've compiled a list[1] of extensions in Bugzilla that don't have a
 default
  assignee. If you want to be (or should already be) the assignee for any
  of these, please let me know. Would like to really cut that list down
  so bugs are getting triaged to someone who cares. Right now, they're
  all being assigned to wikibugs-l, and we know how many bugs he
  resolves :p
 
  -Chad
 
  [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:^demon/Unloved_extensions
 
 
 
  I think the best place for the maps bugs is the maps-l list. (if no one
  objects)
 
  Or, they can Ævar, myself, and anyone else that wants to get them.
 
  -Aude
 
 
 
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 registered with an account on Bugzilla, so I can't assign it
 right now, so I just put Aude and Ævar.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Extensions in Bugzilla

2009-07-31 Thread Andrew Dunbar
2009/7/31 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com:
 Hey all,

 I've compiled a list[1] of extensions in Bugzilla that don't have a default
 assignee. If you want to be (or should already be) the assignee for any
 of these, please let me know. Would like to really cut that list down
 so bugs are getting triaged to someone who cares. Right now, they're
 all being assigned to wikibugs-l, and we know how many bugs he
 resolves :p

 -Chad

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Extensions in Bugzilla

2009-07-31 Thread Chad
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Andrew Dunbarhippytr...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/7/31 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com:
 Hey all,

 I've compiled a list[1] of extensions in Bugzilla that don't have a default
 assignee. If you want to be (or should already be) the assignee for any
 of these, please let me know. Would like to really cut that list down
 so bugs are getting triaged to someone who cares. Right now, they're
 all being assigned to wikibugs-l, and we know how many bugs he
 resolves :p

 -Chad

 [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:^demon/Unloved_extensions

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[Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-07-31 Thread Michael Dale
Want to point out the working prototype of the w...@home extension. 
Presently it focuses on a system for transcoding uploaded media to free 
formats, but will also be used for flattening sequences and maybe 
other things in the future ;)

Its still rough around the edges ... it presently features:
* Support for uploading a non-free media assets,

* putting those non free media assets into a jobs table and distributing 
the transcode job into $wgChunkDuration length encoding jobs. ( each 
pieces is uploaded then reassembled on the server. that way big 
transcoding jobs can be distributed to as many clients that are 
participating )

* It supports multiple derivatives for different resolutions based on 
the requested size.
** In the future I will add a hook for oggHanlder to use that as well .. 
since a big usability issue right now is users embedding HD or high res 
ogg videos into a small video space in an article ... and it naturally 
it performs slowly.

* It also features a JavaScript interface for clients to query for new 
jobs, get the job, download the asset, do transcode  upload it (all 
through an api module so people could build a client as a shell script 
if they wanted)
** In the future the interface will support preferences , basic 
statistics and more options like turn on w...@home every-time I visit 
wikipedia or only get jobs while I am away from my computer.

* I try and handle derivatives consistently with the file/ media 
handling system. So right now your uploaded non-free format file will be 
linked to on the file detail page and via the api calls. We should 
probably limit client exposure to non-free formats. Obviously they have 
the files be on a public url to be transcoded, but the interfaces for 
embedding and the stream detail page should link to the free format 
version at all times.

* I tie transcoded chunks to user ids this makes it easier to disable 
bad participants.
** I need to add an interface to delete derivatives if someone flags it 
as so.

* it supports $wgJobTimeOut for re-assigning jobs that don't get done in 
$wgJobTimeOut time.

This was hacked together over the past few days so its by no means 
production ready ... but should get there soon ;)  Feedback is welcome. 
Its in the svn at: /trunk/extensions/WikiAtHome/

peace,
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Extensions in Bugzilla

2009-07-31 Thread Sergey Chernyshev
I didn't mean that you should kick those guys out ;)
Just tried to explain why it probably doesn't have a person assigned yet.

Sergey


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Sergey
 Chernyshevsergey.chernys...@gmail.com wrote:
  Actually Maps was just developed by Jeroen De Dauw under supervision of
  Yaron Koren as part of Google Summer of Code - they might be interested
 in
  maintaining it as well, just didn't get around to applying for it, maybe.
 
 Sergey
 
 
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  On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Audeaude.w...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   Hey all,
  
   I've compiled a list[1] of extensions in Bugzilla that don't have a
  default
   assignee. If you want to be (or should already be) the assignee for
 any
   of these, please let me know. Would like to really cut that list down
   so bugs are getting triaged to someone who cares. Right now, they're
   all being assigned to wikibugs-l, and we know how many bugs he
   resolves :p
  
   -Chad
  
   [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:^demon/Unloved_extensions
  
  
  
   I think the best place for the maps bugs is the maps-l list. (if no
 one
   objects)
  
   Or, they can Ævar, myself, and anyone else that wants to get them.
  
   -Aude
  
  
  
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  Added everybody who's replied to the list thus far. Maps-l isn't
  registered with an account on Bugzilla, so I can't assign it
  right now, so I just put Aude and Ævar.
 
  -Chad
 
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Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-07-31 Thread Michael Dale
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Michael Dalemd...@wikimedia.org wrote:
   
 the transcode job into $wgChunkDuration length encoding jobs. ( each
 pieces is uploaded then reassembled on the server. that way big
 transcoding jobs can be distributed to as many clients that are
 participating )
 

 This pretty much breaks the 'instant' gratification you currently get on 
 upload.
   

true... people will never upload to site without instant gratification ( 
cough youtube cough ) ...

At any rate its not replacing the firefogg  that has instant 
gratification at point of upload its ~just another option~...

Also I should add that this w...@home system just gives us distributed 
transcoding as a bonus side effect ... its real purpose will be to 
distribute the flattening of edited sequences. So that 1) IE users can 
view them 2) We can use effects that for the time being are too 
computationally expensive to render out in real-time in javascript 3) 
you can download and play the sequences with normal video players and 4) 
we can transclude sequences and use templates with changes propagating 
to flattened versions rendered on the w...@home distributed computer

While presently many machines in the wikimedia internal server cluster 
grind away at parsing and rendering html from wiki-text the situation is 
many orders of magnitude more costly with using transclution and temples 
with video ... so its good to get this type of extension out in the wild 
and warmed up for the near future ;)


 The segmenting is going to significant harm compression efficiency for
 any inter-frame coded output format unless you perform a two pass
 encode with the first past on the server to do keyframe location
 detection.  Because the stream will restart at cut points.

   

also true. Good thing theora-svn now supports two pass encoding :) ... 
but an extra key frame every 30 seconds properly wont hurt your 
compression efficiency too much.. vs the gain of having your hour long 
interview trans-code a hundred times faster than non-distributed 
conversion.  (almost instant gratification)  Once the cost of generating 
a derivative is on par with the cost of sending out the clip a few times 
for viewing lots of things become possible.
 * I tie transcoded chunks to user ids this makes it easier to disable
 bad participants.
 

 Tyler Durden will be sad.

 But this means that only logged in users will participate, no?
   

true...  You also have to log in to upload to commons  It will make 
life easier and make abuse of the system more difficult.. plus it can 
act as a motivation factor with distribu...@home teams, personal stats 
and all that jazz. Just as people like to have their name show up on the 
donate wall when making small financial contributions.

peace,
--michael

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