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Dean Kent
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My response was directed at Bob Bridg
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Dean Kent
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 9:32 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Assembler programmer wanted
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Dean Kent
Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 09:48
As part of the
I think this is a bad analogy. The guy who installs or fixes an item
that does not actually generate revenue certainly can ask for residuals
- but there aren't any since there is no income from it.
However, if residuals is a thing (which it is in some industries) then
asking for a piece of
I don't know how many here have had to moderate a message board. I
have, and it isn't as simple as just 'removing a thread'. In order to
make sure that *nothing* is off-topic, you have to ignore what the
header says (since many people simply 'reply' and leave whatever header
is there,
for donations... :-P.
On 9/18/2023 1:01 PM, Dave Beagle wrote:
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On Monday, September 18, 2023, 3:57 PM, Dean Kent wrote:
Question - since the list is run out of a University - is it publicly
funded or privately?
On 9/18/2023 12:24 PM, Darren Evans
, 2023 at 2:57 PM Dean Kent wrote:
Question - since the list is run out of a University - is it publicly
funded or privately?
On 9/18/2023 12:24 PM, Darren Evans-Young wrote:
I have removed Bill Johnson from the IBM-MAIN list and you all know why.
He has now officially lodged a complaint
Question - since the list is run out of a University - is it publicly
funded or privately?
On 9/18/2023 12:24 PM, Darren Evans-Young wrote:
I have removed Bill Johnson from the IBM-MAIN list and you all know why.
He has now officially lodged a complaint against me accusing me of
Definitions are important or else words are subject to widely varying
interpretations. 'dying' appears to be equated to 'extinct' in these
claims. I suggest that as long as someone needs to understand the
underlying architecture of a computer, assembler language will be a
useful skill for
I didn't want to get into the firefight... however, the commentary here
encouraged me to do so.
My own belief (whether founded or not) is that if you follow your
passion and become good at it, someone will recognize that and feel it
is valuable enough to pay for it. I also believe that
I was told many years ago by a professional (her 'field' was in manic
depression and anger management, particularly children) that feeling a
loss of control is the cause of much (most?) anger. It made a lot of
sense to me, and since then I've observed that this appears to be
mostly, if not
any such case listed in the pleadings/motion. Then the
judge's people also could not find same This is the kind of thing
that concerns me about AI today. Once it has been taught enough to
learn on its own
Steve Thompson
On 9/5/2023 12:46 PM, Dean Kent wrote:
I spent a bit of time
I spent a bit of time playing with chatGPT to see what it could do. So
did my two sons - one an MS in biotech, the other a PhD in theoretical
physics. We all came to the same conclusion - chatGPT is a very, very
good Google search that can filter many different possible 'answers' and
come
My perspective is: Politics is philosophy, but with a lot of emotion...
On 5/3/2023 10:25 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:
Without in the least wishing to feed the trolls, I may as well say that I never
mind these digressions. I wouldn't want them to take over the forum, but the
occasional
I probably should just stay silent, but...
I did a lot of 'testing' with ChatGPT. I believe that it is just a very
sophisticated data collection/summarization tool. For example, I asked
it to compare and contrast book x and book y, which were from different
authors on the same subject.
OK - real story. Working as an L2 support tech for a well known
software company. New release of the product required a new SVC because
an area in the F1 DSCB that was previously unused by IBM was now being
used - so that critical bit of data had to be moved to a new unused
area. The
So those who currently are licensed will be unable to renew next year?
I guess there are enough System Z professionals out in the workforce now...
On 9/7/2022 4:10 AM, Jay Maynard wrote:
I got mine in May. I've been told that IBM has quietly discontinued the
program, though.
On Tue, Sep 6,
I'll likely regret becoming involved in this, but...
I once was speaking to a woman about the practices of another family,
and said "Well, that is the culture he grew up in". She said "No, I
wasn't raised that way". Both families are Vietnamese. I replied that
I was using the term
;
> >"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by
> stupidity.” - Hanlon’s Razor
> >
> >> On May 11, 2022, at 5:51 PM, Dean Kent wrote:
> >>
> >> Has anyone received their USB license key for the Learner's Edition
> product? Just cu
Has anyone received their USB license key for the Learner's Edition product?
Just curious, as I was told around the 1st of April that it would be sent
'soon', and I have yet to get any communication that it was actually sent.
.
Actually, I read somewhere that only about 50% of the reading population can
decipher that text easily. As I said, I was just trying to fan the flames.
~grin~.
Regards,
Dean
Dean Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/9/2008 4:05 PM
Communication only works when you are all using a common language
Communication only works when you are all using a common language. If
everybody spells randomly, where's the commonality?
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in
waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the
frist and lsat ltteer be
There seems to be at least some emphasis on being able to construct
written communication that utilizes correct grammer.
ITYM grammar.
I know it isn't Friday, and I know this is polluting, but...
A salesperson knocks on a door, and a child answers. The salesperson asks
Is your mother home?,
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Thats why I never go to Wikipedia to look something up. If anyone can
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Of course you do. If you
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Another article on this topic is at:
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0296717.htm
This article points out the long line of breakthroughs made by IBM in the
area of nanotechnology (just one of many
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What I am hoping for in the future is the Bill Gates strategy (sell an
entire
operating for $79) and make billions. What if Strobe was so reasonable,
that
every z/OS shop in the world could afford to use it and would not
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I was
informed by some kind person - trying to give credit on the basis of
feeble
Reminds me of that little road off the I-15 interstate between
California and Nevada, named Zzxyzz Road.
Zzyzzx Road.
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Re: Supposed factor improvements over time in the
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Unless you two are prepared to formulate your
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I really wasn't paying any attention to this
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x86 processor performance has increased at roughly
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Yep And each one of those servers requires
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Well of course, Dean, Timothy makes perfect sense.
Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:51:48 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
...As I said, Intel, for
example, does not use SOI and seems to be producing very high clockrate
devices without it, which (currently) outperform their rival AMD
I replied to this directly to the newsgroup yesterday when email delivery
was interrupted. I know some don't read the newsgroup, so I just want to
reply again with the pertinent data in case anyone is interested. I hope I
am not breaching ettiquette by doing this - but if so, I apologize in
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Actually, I have had this very argument with
Just to see if posts are being accepted/distributed...
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Process size is a limiting factor for performance.
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Can the mainframe z900/z990/z9 compete
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I'm sorry, Dean, but that statement borders on
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A different benchmark is described here:
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IBM is not positioning the mainframe to compete
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It means Itanium is 4.3 times faster than AMD. I doubt it.
That would depend upon what benchmark. Itanium is very strong in floating
point vs. anything AMD has to offer, but in integer it is merely adequate.
However, I think the
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Dean Kent wrote:
I find it hard to believe
that IBM would spend
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I want to benchmark my tools too. I want a good benchmark to
Even with PCs, the old standard measurements of processor speed are no
longer the selling points that they used to be. There are too many
variables that effect general performance.
I think, however, that it is fair to say that peformance is always
important, even for IBM. The relative
... a Dell Precision Workstation 330 system with a 1.4GHz P4 in
Nov 2000 the SPECint_rate was 5.80. In June 2006, a Dell Precision
Workstation 390 with a 2.93GHz Intel Core Duo processor was 63.6.
Obviously one cannot make a direct comparison between MIPS and SPEC rate,
You are
On 16 Jul 2007 07:03:03 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Even with PCs, the old standard measurements of processor speed are no
longer the selling points that they used to be. There are too many
variables that effect general performance.
I think, however, that it is fair
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:57:33 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
... I am aware of several companies that offer x86 based
'mainframe class' systems (for a hefty price), that include a lot of the
RAS
features mainframes are famous for.
Ha! They are trying, but not even close. x86 processors don't
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Yes, you did say that, but also,
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:06:01 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
The mainframe MPU *is* slower than other platforms
Itanium likely could emulate zArch instructions faster than
native zSeries
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Some specifics:
90-nm in the z9
SOI
Copper wiring
You could do the research if you wanted to.
Now you appear to be arguing just to argue. The question was on
comparisons of technology, and specifically performance. Since Intel is
already on 45nm
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:53:39 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
Since Intel is
already on 45nm process, I don't think you can call 90nm 'leading in
technology'.
Already? when will they begin shipments? They say 2H2007
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Dean Kent:
Itanium likely could emulate zArch instructions
For cross-platform benchmarking, SPEC is generally considered the
tool-of-preference. The CPU specific benchmarks are SPECint and SPECfp,
which use code that does almost no I/O... and may, in fact, fit entirely in
cache (depending upon the amount of cache for that processor). This is
where I
thrives' article
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:44:34 -0700, Dean Kent wrote:
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Dean Kent:
Itanium likely could emulate zArch instructions faster than
native zSeries systems can execute them
No.
If you have any
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I keep seeing references to the mainframe processor is slower than
those used in other platforms.
Seriously, in an effort to compare processor power, IF one were to take
a COBOL program that would process 1000 records
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Well said, JC. I know this is a nit, but according to Webster's:
But I'm puzzled. As far as I can see you are using upward pointing arrows
to
highlight *two* mistakes. I obviously can see fort - now - but your
arrows
do not identify it - even when copied to a file with non-proportional
font.
I can't see to what the other arrows refer.
The phrase If you
I'm going to do this to inject a little levity (I hope)...
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Incidentally - only because I spell-check my posts - I may as well
improve
your knowledge by pointing out that it's Unformatted with two ts.
Please do me the
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OK, moving on to the separate issue you raise. It's an excellent question.
As said, to a first order effect, IBM buying Candle (for example) did not
expand the mainframe market. And what I think you mean is expanding the
Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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Sorry if I misinterpreted the thread. IBM has never (IMO) been
particularly
interested in courting hobbyists. I know this is disappointing, but there
is a
certain amount of risk and a certain amount of benefit. TPTB have
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If you think that's what's going on, why the orgy -- can I say that? -- why
the orgy of new z/OS products from IBM? And why is IBM buying all these
software companies (including Consul, Candle, Isogon, and Ascential among
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People who want to develop commercial software for z/OS, z/VM, and z/VSE
need to become members of PartnerWorld for Development (PWD). The
whole purpose of PWD is to promote the development of products on our
platforms.
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--snip---
Complexity is far too often used as an excuse for incompetence or
laziness; not always or even most of the time, but still far too often.
You don't let a carpenter
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A lot of our smarts is in seeing patterns, simplifying what we are
looking for. Occasionally this kind of shortcut causes us to miss
things, but pattern recognition allows the chess master to ignore dead
ends that
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Views like his are common, but they are also curiously parochial.
Someone
who wants
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Now, whether this matters to you or not is another question. Still, I
think it's a small but interesting detail that there are no closed source
Linux drivers for System z, so far as I'm aware. It's all open source now.
Ooh - a topic I can contribute to!
Logical fallacy: Most accidents are caused by inattentive motorists.
Therefore all inattentive motorists cause accidents.
While the first statement may be true, the conclusion does not necessarily
follow. Therefore, the statement that most wars are
Steve Comstock wrote:
Urgency must be relative. You don't have to generate your
salary in the next two months, I would wager. I've traveled
halfway around the world to do training, some of it at IBM's
request (Kuwait, Denmark) some at my own initiative (Ireland,
Singapore). Love it. Enjoy the
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Steve Comstock wrote:
Urgency must be relative. You don't have to generate your
salary in the next two months, I would
bearing down on them.
:-).
Dave Salt
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Regards,
Dean Kent
Speaking for myself, not my employer, my business partners, my family, my
friends nor my enemies
Hopefully not far off topic, but this recently published article indicates
that IBM may merge i, p and z series processors using POWER6. At one time I
recall seeing an official IBM statement saying that this would never happen
because of the unique requirements for (at that time) S/390
Unfortunately, I can't read/understand German - but your page provided more
insight. Thanks. I first read this article over the weekend, and it
surprised me that IBM might actually be willing/able to use the Power processor
to... well, power a mainframe. Rumors of that have been around for
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Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: SCO sues Novell
During discovery, McDonald's produced documents showing more than 700
claims by people burned
by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some
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This thing is off and running. Genies and bottles. And any action
taken in US courts by
anyone is just
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This all reminds me of the Red Queen from Alice through the Looking
Glass
- No, No, sentence first, trail later.
Yes, the author
I don't believe a hobbyist license would have the slightest effect. The
days when mainframe
users recruited self-taught people are long gone - they look for
experience in the type of
environment they have, and any training they fund they expect to be
professionally given.
The hobbyist
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Phil Payne wrote:
$13K is a problem to most consulting companies ?? Surely not -
maybe most of
the one-person consulting companies, but for anything of eg. 10
people and up,
would $13K really represent a problem ?
Is that per consultant?
I played with z/Flex -
Complain if you want but the reality is if you want a hobbyist license you
have
to find a way for IBM to make money on it. Heck, you might get them to at
least
listen to you if you could find a way for them to break-even on the
license (but
I doubt it).
Interestingly, I am quite sure IBM
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